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floppyboo

(2,461 posts)
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 12:30 PM Mar 2016

Not a good day for Hillary: Honduran enviro activist Berta Caceres assassinated

As if the email thing wasn't enough, we are reminded again today of Hillary's very bad record as Secretary of State in her admitted involvement of the American led military coup against democratically elected Zelaya in 2009. It's in her book, Hard Choices. Not only the violence in Honduras, but also the refugee 'crises' of Hondurans in the US can be laid at her feet.


The homicide rate in Honduras, already the highest in the world, increased by 50 percent from 2008 to 2011; political repression, the murder of opposition political candidates, peasant organizers and LGBT activists increased and continue to this day. Femicides skyrocketed. The violence and insecurity were exacerbated by a generalized institutional collapse. Drug-related violence has worsened amid allegations of rampant corruption in Honduras’ police and government. While the gangs are responsible for much of the violence, Honduran security forces have engaged in a wave of killings and other human rights crimes with impunity.

http://america.aljazeera.com/opinions/2014/9/hillary-clinton-honduraslatinamericaforeignpolicy.html
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Not a good day for Hillary: Honduran enviro activist Berta Caceres assassinated (Original Post) floppyboo Mar 2016 OP
Background on US/Canada dam under indigenous protest floppyboo Mar 2016 #1
. Wilms Mar 2016 #2
This is a issue for her how? 99% of Americans haven't never heard of this person (including me.) iandhr Mar 2016 #3
Hillary's supporters simply don't care Ive concluded Arazi Mar 2016 #4
How the hell have you concluded this? great white snark Mar 2016 #5
Any OP discussing her disastrous foreign policy decisions goes unremarked Arazi Mar 2016 #6
Yep, they run like scared rabbits John Poet Mar 2016 #12
I say send more children back SheenaR Mar 2016 #7
I just posted another article on this dana_b Mar 2016 #8
K&R This is what you get from someone whose role model is Kissinger nt amborin Mar 2016 #9
Experience vs. judgment bigbrother05 Mar 2016 #10
Thanks for the welcome to DU floppyboo Mar 2016 #11
Let's make a list of the things that the All Powerful Hillary Clinton is Responsible for Causing: yardwork Mar 2016 #13
that's really not very clever or even funny floppyboo Mar 2016 #14
All three? yardwork Mar 2016 #16
We just get upset about people dying around the globe because of our policies artislife Mar 2016 #15
I've been upset about that for a long time. Sanders hasn't done jack-shit to stop it all these years yardwork Mar 2016 #19
Yet you support a candidate who not only doesn't stop it, she enables more of it. arcane1 Mar 2016 #26
All the Democrats are about the same on this. yardwork Mar 2016 #27
All the more reason to demand better politicians, instead of simply accepting the status quo. arcane1 Mar 2016 #28
I tend to agree. I will fight to elect the Democratic nominee. Trump would be horrible. yardwork Mar 2016 #30
Obviously, looking at your avatar it is quite clear. nt artislife Mar 2016 #31
It doesn't matter if it didn't happen to you, is that what you are saying? jillan Mar 2016 #18
Now which team was calling Dolores Huerta a liar around here? yardwork Mar 2016 #20
The video of the actual event proved she was a liar, and wth does this have to do with the mistakes jillan Mar 2016 #21
The videos I saw of the event proved that Huerta was accurate in her portrayal of what happened. yardwork Mar 2016 #23
And desperate deflection effort deflects badly. The thread is about Honduras Arazi Mar 2016 #24
As a Latina, I can tell you...she was lying. artislife Mar 2016 #32
I will NEVER forgive her for New Coke Lucinda Mar 2016 #25
Rest in peace Berta Caceres. Nt NCTraveler Mar 2016 #17
Shameful Svafa Mar 2016 #22
The Clinton-Backed Honduran Regime Is Picking Off Indigenous Leaders drokhole Mar 2016 #29
But they aren't voters here, so tough cookies. artislife Mar 2016 #33

floppyboo

(2,461 posts)
1. Background on US/Canada dam under indigenous protest
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 12:39 PM
Mar 2016
http://upsidedownworld.org/main/honduras-archives-46/5233-honduras-indigenous-communities-resist-dams-in-the-face-of-threats-and-violence
Here's just a bit of the story: "Then the Lenca people of Rio Blanco learned of another dam planned in the area, this time on the Canjel River. The Canjel River Hydroelectric Project is already under construction near the border of Santa Barbara and Intibucá. Blue Energy – a brand new dam company owned by U.S. investor Peter Ochs of a Kansas-based private equity firm, Capital III – together with Canadian dam company Hydrosys Consultants, have begun building the Canjel Dam. The proposed dam is small, yet is being built in violation of ILO Convention 169, as the Lenca communities in the northern part of Intibucá, including Rio Blanco, were never consulted."

edit: the coup was to get rid of labour unions. Zelaya was kidnapped in his pyjamas. Sound familiar? Ask Aristide

iandhr

(6,852 posts)
3. This is a issue for her how? 99% of Americans haven't never heard of this person (including me.)
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 02:09 PM
Mar 2016

And I am pretty well informed.

Arazi

(6,829 posts)
4. Hillary's supporters simply don't care Ive concluded
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 02:12 PM
Mar 2016

Her bloody wake doesn't seem to concern them one bit



Kicked and recced and welcome to DU!

great white snark

(2,646 posts)
5. How the hell have you concluded this?
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 02:16 PM
Mar 2016

I've concluded that you should cut the bullshit melodrama it fools no one.

Arazi

(6,829 posts)
6. Any OP discussing her disastrous foreign policy decisions goes unremarked
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 02:33 PM
Mar 2016

by her supporters here. Most of these threads drop like a stone or get snark replies only (see upthread here)

Tk2kewl's thread has more than 200 replies - no HRC supporter can name a single HRC foreign policy "success" in more than 5 hours of it being up

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511402280

For as much as HRC's supporters tout her SOS stint, nobody can defend it. Like this thread right here.

And melodrama? Yeah, ok. I'll admit to being deeply concerned and passionate about HRC's warmongering. She's a bloody hawk and its disastrous for the U.S.

 

John Poet

(2,510 posts)
12. Yep, they run like scared rabbits
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 05:37 PM
Mar 2016

from threads documenting Hillary's foreign policy neocon activities...

It almost seems coordinated, how they won't post on them.

dana_b

(11,546 posts)
8. I just posted another article on this
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 02:55 PM
Mar 2016

it's from The Nation:
http://www.thenation.com/article/the-clinton-backed-honduran-regime-is-picking-off-indigenous-leaders/

These people are being slaughtered and she is proud of these "hard" decisions? Imo, it's sure not the experience that we need.

floppyboo

(2,461 posts)
11. Thanks for the welcome to DU
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 05:14 PM
Mar 2016

I was beginning to feel super invisible. Posted something on Haiti yesterday (?) that was virtually ignored. It's truly frustrating, this blind faith in Hillary's 'experience' with no critical support of it. I can't find any - good or bad - from Clinton or her supporters!!! I'm scared of her. We're already too dangerously close to WWIII.
And thanks for the Nation article link!

yardwork

(61,570 posts)
13. Let's make a list of the things that the All Powerful Hillary Clinton is Responsible for Causing:
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 05:45 PM
Mar 2016

The stock market crash of 1929, leading to the Great Depression

The assassination of Archduke Franz Ferdinand, leading to World War I

The election of Adolph Hitler, leading to World War II

The Treaty of Versailles, also leading to World War II

The American Civil War

The Spanish Civil War

The 100 Years War

New Coke

The extinction of the dinosaurs

floppyboo

(2,461 posts)
14. that's really not very clever or even funny
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 05:50 PM
Mar 2016

What's your point? Would you like to be known as willfully ignorant, aggressive or just mildly snarky?

yardwork

(61,570 posts)
19. I've been upset about that for a long time. Sanders hasn't done jack-shit to stop it all these years
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 05:53 PM
Mar 2016

Nobody has done jack-shit to stop it. I gave up believing in a savior-politician a long time ago.

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
26. Yet you support a candidate who not only doesn't stop it, she enables more of it.
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 06:16 PM
Mar 2016

Cognitive dissonance much?

yardwork

(61,570 posts)
27. All the Democrats are about the same on this.
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 06:18 PM
Mar 2016

Not great at all, but orders of magnitude better than the Republicans.

Bernie doesn't even seem to care much about foreign policies. That won't help.

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
28. All the more reason to demand better politicians, instead of simply accepting the status quo.
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 06:34 PM
Mar 2016

That's nothing more than surrendering.

jillan

(39,451 posts)
21. The video of the actual event proved she was a liar, and wth does this have to do with the mistakes
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 05:58 PM
Mar 2016

the deadly mistakes Hillary made as sec of state?

yardwork

(61,570 posts)
23. The videos I saw of the event proved that Huerta was accurate in her portrayal of what happened.
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 06:02 PM
Mar 2016

The moderator yelled "English only" and the crowd cheered.

But, please continue to call a Latina civil rights icon a liar while insisting that you are heartbroken by global geopolitics.

Arazi

(6,829 posts)
24. And desperate deflection effort deflects badly. The thread is about Honduras
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 06:05 PM
Mar 2016

And the disastrous fallout of the coup

 

artislife

(9,497 posts)
32. As a Latina, I can tell you...she was lying.
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 09:07 PM
Mar 2016

She has been a pillar, epic, amazing ...but she lied.

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