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msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 08:22 AM Mar 2016

Bernie paid his family out of campaign funds, Hillary did not.

Last edited Sat Mar 5, 2016, 08:53 AM - Edit history (1)

If you look at the thread that claims that Hillary paid herself 250k, you notice something odd...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1410802

1) The claim has been completely debunked, by Skinner, the site owner himself, who kindly took the time to explain FEC regulations and campaign accounting.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1411154

2) Using the same source as the OP of that thread, apparently Sanders paid his wife and daughter sums of money from campaign funds.

http://freebeacon.com/politics/sanders-and-wife-steered-campaign-nonprofit-money-to-family-and-friends/

That same source, The Free Beacon, also details how Jane Sanders, when she ran Burlington College, paid their daughter over 500k for a woodworking major...a major that was ended after she resigned.


It also led me to links that detail a 3.65 million dollar loan that Jane Sanders took out with the Diocese of Burlington....and a land deal that ended up with a local developer getting a 20 million dollar piece of property for 6 million---
http://vtdigger.org/2015/12/23/catholic-church-nailed-in-loan-settlement-with-burlington-college/

And that story led me to the interesting story of how a Teacher of the Year at Burlington College was fired, provoking student protests..
http://www.sevendaysvt.com/vermont/burlington-college-students-press-for-changes-after-profs-dismissal/Content?oid=2135730

Interestingly enough, Burlington College had no tenure, and no grievance policy for professors, according to that article.

And that story led me to another one detailing the Board's removal of Sanders from Burlington, mid semester, and details of what it was like to work for Jane Sanders.
http://vtdigger.org/2011/09/27/jane-sanders-resigns-presidency-of-burlington-college-reaches-settlement/

And another one, detailing the loans Jane Sanders made with People's and the Catholic Church..
http://vtdigger.org/2015/09/13/jane-sanders-overstated-donation-amounts-in-loan-application-for-burlington-college/

Interesting news. All flowing from one source.





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Bernie paid his family out of campaign funds, Hillary did not. (Original Post) msanthrope Mar 2016 OP
Didn't read it but just more whining I assume form Hillary fans. nt Logical Mar 2016 #1
Oh...no whining. I appreciate being introduced to a new source. nt msanthrope Mar 2016 #2
Seriously, you didn't see the breathless thread that claimed Clinton used a campaign slush fund? randome Mar 2016 #3
I think Skinner's post about the OP, and the recs it got, says it all.... msanthrope Mar 2016 #11
Awful. JaneyVee Mar 2016 #4
And you know what? Never would have known HALF of this without that original msanthrope Mar 2016 #5
Just To be clear ... these are not ordinary "in-kind" donations that ... NurseJackie Mar 2016 #6
No--Skinner kindly went on to explain that the inkind donations msanthrope Mar 2016 #8
Well then ... this IS concerning ... NurseJackie Mar 2016 #13
Wow . . . you sure are convincing me to vote for Hillary . . . NOT. Vinca Mar 2016 #7
Not my job. nt msanthrope Mar 2016 #9
Seriously? If I ever run for office, please promise not to support me. Vinca Mar 2016 #15
Look....if the words "President Trump" don't motivate you to the polling booth, what msanthrope Mar 2016 #18
President Sanders motivates me Omaha Steve Mar 2016 #23
That's the only thing that motivates me Steve. Fear just doesn't work. Autumn Mar 2016 #48
Are you asking me to vote for Jill Stein? nt artislife Mar 2016 #49
Faculty politics 1939 Mar 2016 #10
I was surprised to read that Jane Sanders did not support instituting tenure. nt msanthrope Mar 2016 #12
. NCTraveler Mar 2016 #14
Many thanks to the jury!!!! nt msanthrope Mar 2016 #16
I didn't even notice the FreeBeacon link until now! That is awesome karma! randome Mar 2016 #20
Yes...I thank the original OP for giving us such a great source. nt msanthrope Mar 2016 #31
LOL! Cali_Democrat Mar 2016 #39
You did a good job of bamboozling Armstead Mar 2016 #43
you think the jury was bamboozled? msanthrope Mar 2016 #45
Juror #1 gets it. NurseJackie Mar 2016 #28
whow. just whow. At least the riversedge Mar 2016 #33
Interesting what real information that other op brought us here. Nt NCTraveler Mar 2016 #17
That OP was very helpful in providing loads and loads of links. nt msanthrope Mar 2016 #19
The difference that you fail to see in your eager effort retrowire Mar 2016 #21
I would think the main point of the OP is to conclusively cancel out the original OP. randome Mar 2016 #24
i thought Skinner's rebuttal did that sooo.. retrowire Mar 2016 #26
Obviously some didn't bother -or chose to ignore- those parts of the thread. randome Mar 2016 #41
Sander's family officially work for the campaign... retrowire Mar 2016 #44
What was the point of the original thread if not a poor attempt to trash Clinton? randome Mar 2016 #50
well, it clearly was that. and it was disproved. so? nt retrowire Mar 2016 #51
Bernie pays his interns, Hillary does not Omaha Steve Mar 2016 #22
Bravo/a ejbr Mar 2016 #25
Well done mcar Mar 2016 #27
Bill Clinton, anyone? Barack_America Mar 2016 #29
I know, right? There seems to be quite the blind spot there. djean111 Mar 2016 #37
Who cares? Seriously.....who cares msanthrope Mar 2016 #46
The same people who expect us to care about old stuff about Bernie and Jane? djean111 Mar 2016 #47
Everything I wrote about is this century. Bill's dalliances? msanthrope Mar 2016 #59
Maybe they don't matter to you. That's cool. djean111 Mar 2016 #61
I don't give a crap about sex acts between adults. nt msanthrope Mar 2016 #63
That's fine. I don't either. djean111 Mar 2016 #65
OFFS.....people lie about their affairs. It's what they do. nt msanthrope Mar 2016 #66
This issue doesn't bother me for either candidate actually Arazi Mar 2016 #30
"FEC regulations and campaign accounting." wyldwolf Mar 2016 #32
Math is Hard. After Lousiana, though, I expect exploding heads. msanthrope Mar 2016 #34
Seriously, math is hard. And there are other electoral concepts that are difficult... wyldwolf Mar 2016 #36
Don't care for these tit-for-tat posts Dem2 Mar 2016 #35
Your other thread got locked UglyGreed Mar 2016 #38
If one accepts the premise that payments through a campaign fund are unethical... randome Mar 2016 #40
Paying people to work is UglyGreed Mar 2016 #42
BTW Hillary's family gets UglyGreed Mar 2016 #52
According to reliable sources she has paid herself $250.000 . nt ladjf Mar 2016 #53
Didn't you read kydo Mar 2016 #54
I read all of that but couldn't tell which was which. ladjf Mar 2016 #57
Good for her for being able to make money kydo Mar 2016 #58
The Daily Caller? I'm not surprised. nt msanthrope Mar 2016 #56
Glass houses and all. bettyellen Mar 2016 #55
Yes.... all from one source. lumberjack_jeff Mar 2016 #60
Actually....it's a number of sources flowing from that one rag. And since you rec'd msanthrope Mar 2016 #62
Typical MaggieD Mar 2016 #64
k&r DesertRat Mar 2016 #67
Things that make you go Hmmmmm. Thanks for keeping up! Hekate Mar 2016 #68
always. nt msanthrope Mar 2016 #70
Like Trump's supporters it doesn't matter what is said or proven...supporters for both HRC and BS Jitter65 Mar 2016 #69
K&R, something fishy in the Sanders campaign itsrobert Mar 2016 #71
Would never have known it, but for a BS supporter providing the link. nt msanthrope Mar 2016 #72
 

randome

(34,845 posts)
3. Seriously, you didn't see the breathless thread that claimed Clinton used a campaign slush fund?
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 08:25 AM
Mar 2016

It's epic in its cluelessness.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]No squirrels were harmed in the making of this post. Yet.[/center][/font][hr]

 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
11. I think Skinner's post about the OP, and the recs it got, says it all....
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 08:36 AM
Mar 2016


There was a time when people on this website used to treat right-wing rags like the Washington Free Beacon with the contempt they deserve. These days, people will gladly post right-wing garbage as long as it trashes the primary candidate they dislike. It happens all the time.

I'm watching this thread climb to the top of the Greatest Page, and frankly I'm finding it to be both hilarious and sad. Each new recommendation is a mark of shame on this website. It is a massive fail.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1412317
 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
5. And you know what? Never would have known HALF of this without that original
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 08:28 AM
Mar 2016

OP....

The article that details what it was like to work for Jane Sanders is a must read.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
6. Just To be clear ... these are not ordinary "in-kind" donations that ...
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 08:29 AM
Mar 2016

... merely look questionable because of convoluted FEC bookkeeping requirements, right?

 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
8. No--Skinner kindly went on to explain that the inkind donations
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 08:32 AM
Mar 2016

are detailed---and anyone who wants to look for them can find them.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
13. Well then ... this IS concerning ...
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 08:40 AM
Mar 2016

... and a bit alarming in my opinion. From my perspective, it appears that it hasn't received enough scrutiny (as appears to be the case with much of his campaign, history and policies.)

 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
18. Look....if the words "President Trump" don't motivate you to the polling booth, what
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 08:44 AM
Mar 2016

the hell am I gonna say to you that will convince you to vote for a woman, who (by looking at your own post on that thread) you think took campaign money?

Autumn

(44,617 posts)
48. That's the only thing that motivates me Steve. Fear just doesn't work.
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 10:49 AM
Mar 2016
I have voted within the system all my life, for some reason the system doesn't seem to be working for the people. I think that when something isn't working it's time to stop doing that thing. I'm going to vote for myself and what motivates me.
 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
14. .
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 08:40 AM
Mar 2016

On Sat Mar 5, 2016, 08:27 AM an alert was sent on the following post:

Bernie is paid his family out of campaign funds, Hillary did not.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511416753

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Linking to a right wing rag like Free Beacon is not okay no matter which side does it, using it to attack Sen Sanders' wife is completely over-the-top. This is Democratic Underground, we shouldn't be helping the opposition.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Sat Mar 5, 2016, 08:38 AM, and the Jury voted 2-5 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: This author was only linking to a "right wing rag like the Free Beacon" to balance the argument of a Bernie supporter who committed the initial sin of linking an attack on Hillary from that very same "right wing rag" in an effort to illustrate that we should ALL stand against said "right wing rag like the Free Beacon".
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
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Explanation: derp.

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.
 

randome

(34,845 posts)
20. I didn't even notice the FreeBeacon link until now! That is awesome karma!
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 08:59 AM
Mar 2016

[hr][font color="blue"][center]No squirrels were harmed in the making of this post. Yet.[/center][/font][hr]
 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
43. You did a good job of bamboozling
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 10:25 AM
Mar 2016

"Sanders wife is the Anti-Christ.......But I'm just pointing out the fallacy of posting from the Free beacon"

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
28. Juror #1 gets it.
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 09:24 AM
Mar 2016


(As did jurors 2, 3, 4, and 7 ... but juror #1 took the time to try an enlighten others.)

retrowire

(10,345 posts)
21. The difference that you fail to see in your eager effort
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 09:06 AM
Mar 2016

to counter the fact that Hillary is involved in establishment ties is this...

None of this involves Sanders or his wife colluding with special interests, lobbyists, war criminals, smear jockeys or other deplorable characters. Thus, it doesn't affect how Bernie would ever run his White House.

None of these actions mentioned in the op correlate with the idea that he's beholden to anyone else.

So while the thread posted by someone about Hillary may not be true, all of these findings of yours are irrelevant to how Bernie would run things as president.

It's not just the way the big money is handled by campaigns that should concern anyone, its where it comes from and why.

but I'm sure you're patting yourself on the back for all this effort to smear Jane and Bernie. You know it makes sense for Bernie to pay his family in the campaign? They do officially work for his campaign sooo... yeah.

anyways, this mud won't stick.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
24. I would think the main point of the OP is to conclusively cancel out the original OP.
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 09:14 AM
Mar 2016

Which it does quite handily.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]No squirrels were harmed in the making of this post. Yet.[/center][/font][hr]

retrowire

(10,345 posts)
26. i thought Skinner's rebuttal did that sooo..
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 09:16 AM
Mar 2016

what's the point of this OP? lol

I'll answer that...

It's called reeeeaaaching. XD

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
41. Obviously some didn't bother -or chose to ignore- those parts of the thread.
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 10:18 AM
Mar 2016

Which received numerous recs after Skinner's post. So this thread simply provides a little more context, no? If payments to a candidate or candidate's family from a campaign fund are unethical, then what does this mean for Sanders?
[hr][font color="blue"][center]No squirrels were harmed in the making of this post. Yet.[/center][/font][hr]

retrowire

(10,345 posts)
44. Sander's family officially work for the campaign...
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 10:35 AM
Mar 2016

as does Hillary's sooo... who said that part was unethical?

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
50. What was the point of the original thread if not a poor attempt to trash Clinton?
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 11:11 AM
Mar 2016

[hr][font color="blue"][center]No squirrels were harmed in the making of this post. Yet.[/center][/font][hr]

Omaha Steve

(98,605 posts)
22. Bernie pays his interns, Hillary does not
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 09:09 AM
Mar 2016

https://hillaryforamerica.applytojob.com/apply/BX8xZl/Internship

Is the internship paid?
No, this is an unpaid internship. Interns will obtain an educational and professional experience in connection with their education or pursuit of a degree.


http://time.com/money/4215463/bernie-sanders-campaign-paid-internships/

Guess Which Presidential Candidate Is Actually Paying Interns

Snip: Except one campaign.

Greer and Grenell—using a paid intern, they carefully point out—reached out to all the campaigns and inquired about the employment and payment of interns. Only Bernie Sanders’ campaign said that it paid interns, to the tune of $10.10 per hour.

Though this is not the $15 dollar minimum wage Sanders wants, it stands out starkly to the other candidates intern pay of … $0. Ten bucks an hour is, as any math-lover will tell you, infinity times more than the others.

Barack_America

(28,876 posts)
29. Bill Clinton, anyone?
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 09:25 AM
Mar 2016

Now that we're smearing spouses.

Has he been associated with any scandals or nefarious activities that might make him unsuitable to be first spouse?

 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
37. I know, right? There seems to be quite the blind spot there.
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 10:01 AM
Mar 2016

As if no one will bring up Bill's peccadillos and proclivities - while being President! - because he is soooo charming or because we have heard that before. That's not reality. And the charm is, quite frankly, gone.

 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
47. The same people who expect us to care about old stuff about Bernie and Jane?
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 10:45 AM
Mar 2016

Oh, and there has been more than just a "b******" - Bill has been disbarred, censured and fined - for way more than just a b******.

 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
61. Maybe they don't matter to you. That's cool.
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 12:12 PM
Mar 2016

When I mentioned Bill Clinton to mt grandson, he snickered. And I have never discussed Bill with him. I don't think other voters are going to use your timeline for deciding what is relevant and what is not, either.

Anyway, nothing Jane or Bernie did or does could get me to support a candidate who is for war and fracking and increased H-1B visas, and the Third Way of doing things, so there's that.

 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
65. That's fine. I don't either.
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 12:18 PM
Mar 2016

But you were already going to vote for Hillary. And it is not the "sex acts" that are important, really - it is the willingness to lie about them, and seeming inability to control them. Getting fined and disbarred, IMO, is kind of a big deal to me.

Arazi

(6,829 posts)
30. This issue doesn't bother me for either candidate actually
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 09:29 AM
Mar 2016

I would imagine its not a deal breaker for 99% of voters.

Not paying interns is a much bigger problem imo and one I seriously dislike, beginning with HRC and extending all the way to corporations

wyldwolf

(43,864 posts)
32. "FEC regulations and campaign accounting."
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 09:50 AM
Mar 2016

That kind of thing - rules, regulations, policies - don't matter to 'progressives.' Often, they've never heard of things like the FEC. On a broader scale, they're unaware of things like delegate counts, math, etc.

wyldwolf

(43,864 posts)
36. Seriously, math is hard. And there are other electoral concepts that are difficult...
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 09:57 AM
Mar 2016

... especially if you're of the 'black or white, this or that' mentality, of which 'progressive' are for the most part.

Dem2

(8,164 posts)
35. Don't care for these tit-for-tat posts
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 09:53 AM
Mar 2016

And please don't quote that wingnut source - Free Bacon - they have one job in life, slander Democrats.

I am glad that the slander against Hillary was rebuffed by Skinner though.

UglyGreed

(7,661 posts)
38. Your other thread got locked
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 10:12 AM
Mar 2016

as meta now you post this new thread with the same complaint disguised as a Bernie corruption thread

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
40. If one accepts the premise that payments through a campaign fund are unethical...
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 10:16 AM
Mar 2016

...then this is a very relevant thread, is it not?
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UglyGreed

(7,661 posts)
42. Paying people to work is
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 10:21 AM
Mar 2016

unethical????? BTW in the other thread the poster claimed not trying to force or shame anyone yet here we are again after a lock

UglyGreed

(7,661 posts)
52. BTW Hillary's family gets
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 11:15 AM
Mar 2016

paid by all the connections............

For Clintons, a Hedge Fund in the Family
By MATTHEW GOLDSTEIN and STEVE EDERMARCH 22, 2015

Since marrying Chelsea Clinton five years ago, Marc Mezvinsky, a money manager, appears to have settled into his life as Bill and Hillary Clinton’s son-in-law. He has regularly appeared at charitable events, once introducing the former president at the Clinton Foundation’s celebrity poker tournament by dryly saying, “You may have heard of my father-in-law.” And at the recent N.B.A. All-Star Game, Mr. Mezvinsky took a seat next to Mr. Clinton and his partner in charitable endeavors, Dikembe Mutombo, the former basketball star.

Beyond the glamour, being part of the Clinton family has provided Mr. Mezvinsky with another perk: access to wealthy investors with ties to the Clintons.

When Mr. Mezvinsky and his partners began raising money in 2011 for a new hedge fund firm, Eaglevale Partners, a number of investors in the firm were longtime supporters of the Clintons, according to interviews and financial documents reviewed by The New York Times. Tens of millions of dollars raised by Eaglevale can be attributed to investors with some relationship or link to the Clintons.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/23/business/dealbook/for-clintons-a-hedge-fund-in-the-family.html?_r=0

kydo

(2,679 posts)
54. Didn't you read
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 11:44 AM
Mar 2016

The source your reliable source was freebeacon. Said so right there on web page for the your link posted at end the of the second paragraph "The Washington Free Beacon reports."

Not a reliable source. Sorry.

on edit PS; nt stands for no text. Generally that means no text in the message. so next time ditch the nt in your title

According to reliable sources she has paid herself $250.000 . nt


As your post had text ...
Hillary Clinton has paid herself over $250,000 from campaign money since April 2015.

Read more: Edited because right wing sites for sources is an oxymoron


ladjf

(17,320 posts)
57. I read all of that but couldn't tell which was which.
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 11:54 AM
Mar 2016

Maybe she didn't pay herself. But, she and Bill are worth 125 million and her daughter is a millionaire, we won't worry about her paying her family for their services.

kydo

(2,679 posts)
58. Good for her for being able to make money
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 11:57 AM
Mar 2016

And good for her for paying people for their services.

 

lumberjack_jeff

(33,224 posts)
60. Yes.... all from one source.
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 12:08 PM
Mar 2016

A person with some small amount of introspection, or I might suggest, shame, might take the fact that this is from one person with an axe to grind under consideration.

 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
62. Actually....it's a number of sources flowing from that one rag. And since you rec'd
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 12:12 PM
Mar 2016

that original thread, you must be just fine with it.

 

MaggieD

(7,393 posts)
64. Typical
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 12:15 PM
Mar 2016

They blame Hillary for things she didn't do while excusing Bernie for actually doing the thing they are criticizing her for.

 

Jitter65

(3,089 posts)
69. Like Trump's supporters it doesn't matter what is said or proven...supporters for both HRC and BS
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 04:54 PM
Mar 2016

set.

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