2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumBernie Sanders Camp DEFENDS 'Excuse Me, I'm Talking Moment After Hillary Clinton's RUDE Interruption
During a discussion on the auto industry, Clinton started to interject while Sanders was speaking.
Sanders' comment was characterized as "cringe worthy" by Clinton allies following the debate. The president of Correct the Record, a pro-Clinton group, issued a statement criticizing Sanders.
Words Clinton aides are using in spin room to describe Sanders' tone tonight: "desperate" & "disrespectful" #DemDebate
10:34 PM - 6 Mar 2016
Clinton has to stop being rude and interrupting. If Sanders interrupted her, y'all would be calling him sexist. #DemDebate
8:59 PM - 6 Mar 2016
cont'
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/bernie-sanders-excuse-me
stonecutter357
(12,698 posts)She has more strength and courage than i do.
Segami
(14,923 posts)Segami
(14,923 posts)trying to stop her from hogging up speaking time.....her spectacle was despicable to say the least
Check the videos......Anderson is heard over and over, non-stop trying to get control of her long-winded, bloated speeches.
It's all about her..........Me, Me, Me, Me,....I,...I,...I,...Me, Me, Me,.......
ladjf
(17,320 posts)wanted. She totally disregarded Anderson's warnings that she had run out of time.
Instead of answering Anderson's questions, she often stuck in a little "coda" after Bernie had made his
rebuttal.
The problem for Bernie is that he doesn't have the "yard dog" personality that Hillary has. The event wasn't actually a debate in the academic sense, it was a "pissing" contest, fighting for the admiration of the audience both present and watching online.
No matter how many times Anderson Cooper tried to stop Hillary, she went on and on and on!
ladjf
(17,320 posts)It was obvious that the debate wasn't actually about truth, it's was about skillful distortions designed to gain immediate approval without the necessity of verification. Bernie is a quick thinker, but, he is limited by a feeling that his answers must be the truth. That's why he repeated said "My understanding of the question is......". He was avoiding the arrogant position of "My statement are immutable and not subject to question by anyone." She most definitely spook as though everything she said was ready to be carved in stone.
Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)The way I deal with graceless assholes who keep interrupting me is one of them. Bernie was damn near Mister Rogers in comparison to how I'd have gone off on her.
Of course...I'm also female, and smaller than she is. Way better optics...
kath
(10,565 posts)her allotted time. Bernie has generally stood by and let her do it, no doubt knowing that he would be called "sexist" and "overly aggressive" if he tried to make her follow the actual freakin' RULES.
earthside
(6,960 posts)Hillary strikes me as someone who has come to expect differential treatment as if she is entitled to it.
I've read accounts that she is an absolute terror to work for.
Of course, the Hillarians will glom onto just about any real or perceived slight to proclaim "sexism" and victim status ... nothing appears to make them happier.
Marr
(20,317 posts)David "Anita Hill is a slut" Brock.
They've proved over and over that they have only one principle: win. All the rest is just bullshit, and they'll happily say so when they no longer need the people they've fooled.
zentrum
(9,866 posts)Bubzer
(4,211 posts)bvf
(6,604 posts)Clinton came across last night like "a brat."
Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)Get real.
stonecutter357
(12,698 posts)Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)he didn't leave his spot.
Yes, he likes to wag his finger. It's annoying even for me as a supporter, but it's the least of our worries.
stonecutter357
(12,698 posts)Dawgs
(14,755 posts)tazkcmo
(7,304 posts)Hit him? Break his finger? What? You sound pretty "tough".
Segami
(14,923 posts)liberalnarb
(4,532 posts)RoccoR5955
(12,471 posts)Hellery needs a muzzle. All she does is parrot Bernie's points, and tells her mindless, willing shill slaves to keep attacking Bernie.
PyaarRevolution
(814 posts)In terms of most of what she says. One of her deliveries was so rehearsed that it felt artificial, forget polished. Some of her comments FEEL fake, at least delivered by her. You can tell she's TRYING to be sincere and that's the problem.
I'll be blunt, I don't think she gives one whit about me. I'll vote for her if she gets the nom. for the GE but I will hold her feet to the fire for her plans with college(debt-free isn't good enough) as well as Medicare(if you have an illness like Hep C. and late Lyme that can be cured Obamacare should cover it and not make you pay a ridiculous deductible for care).
stonecutter357
(12,698 posts)i would hope i did not lose my mind and do something stupid.
tazkcmo
(7,304 posts)By claiming Sen Sanders' was sexist for making Sec Clinton stop interrupting him.
stonecutter357
(12,698 posts)tazkcmo
(7,304 posts)What was personal? Facts?
pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)It's not about fact or truth or honestly, it's all about impression and attitude -- vapid, empty nonsense.
And look at that smug picture . . . perfect match
tazkcmo
(7,304 posts)They scream, "Personal attack!", "RW smear!", "Sexism!" or just leave. Empty suits.
Javaman
(62,534 posts)you posted something and was responded to, that is not a personal attack, that is pointing out a fact.
Snotcicles
(9,089 posts)liberalnarb
(4,532 posts)You sound so strong and scary from behind that keyboard.
Reter
(2,188 posts)You would probably lose votes.
stonecutter357
(12,698 posts)mac56
(17,575 posts)beedle
(1,235 posts)rudely interrupting someone, then losing it when they tell you that you interrupted them, will some how give you 'respect'?
In what fantasy world does this happen? Oh, right, the world where taking hundreds of millions in donations and payments from lobbyists and special interests will not affect political decisions .. that one.
Bubzer
(4,211 posts)stonecutter357
(12,698 posts)I demand Respect.
Bubzer
(4,211 posts)stonecutter357
(12,698 posts)Bubzer
(4,211 posts)Your voice no longer matters...and neither does your vote! Only stonecutter357 matters...per edict of stonecutter357!
turbinetree
(24,745 posts)and just for giggles lets take a look .........................at her principles on "trade deals" ----------------------and see if she deserves Union / worker respect..........................
https://shadowproof.com/2016/03/04/clintons-unveiled-plans-workers-trade-conflict-record/
Honk----------------for a political revolution Bernie 2016
Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)If not, well...you may be a bit late.
snooper2
(30,151 posts)JackInGreen
(2,975 posts)Someone's tough on the Internet.
panader0
(25,816 posts)polly7
(20,582 posts)stonecutter357
(12,698 posts)polly7
(20,582 posts)Just because she's a 'woman' doesn't mean she can get away with continually interrupting and taking someone else's time to speak.
It's simple.
Most women have seen and dealt with plenty of REAL sexism in their lives - this is not it, it's just pathetic, desperate - but typical - bullshit.
polly7
(20,582 posts)I don't think so. Real sexism can be very, very harmful. That you make a joke of it just shows who really is using something that actually kills many women.
Look in a mirror.
Segami
(14,923 posts)stonecutter357
(12,698 posts)Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)nt
stonecutter357
(12,698 posts)pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)workers' rights are women's rights. raising the minimum wage is overwhelmingly a women's issue (although I guess minorities can lay claim as well).
i'm so pissed that letting mr sanders finish his effing sentence is considered "sexist". hillary hates me. she will not protect my social security and will not fight for me to get a decent paying job. what has she ever done to fight for the rights of women. her husband is a freaking sexual harrasser and all accounts point to the fact that she helped cover up his worst behavior. this primary is female class warfare: get behind our corporatist candidate, because women. lol no!
RufusTFirefly
(8,812 posts)The Clinton camp isn't shy about using any tactic, no matter how selfish, despicable, and damaging.
Thanks for posting, polly7!
tazkcmo
(7,304 posts)It's O.K. for her to interrupt? She's allowed to that because why? Because she's a woman? Why is that not rude?
tazkcmo
(7,304 posts)Laughing emoticons because there is no logical explanation for this poutrage.
ladjf
(17,320 posts)angles of Bernie's right hand. The effort by stonecutter357 to distort reality is typical
"Clinton Company" tactics #1.
DhhD
(4,695 posts)would allow herself to be anybody's victim.
A Simple Game
(9,214 posts)stop your irrational rant about anything but the issues.
Was it you that added the cute little slam that Bernie obviously didn't say?
stonecutter357
(12,698 posts)My irrational rant did you see Bernie last night?
jhart3333
(332 posts)He's not pointing at her. You are using the angle of the camera to push your talking point. Pathetic.
stonecutter357
(12,698 posts)jhart3333
(332 posts)NHprogressive
(56 posts)[link:|
This is some boy-who-cried-wolf nonsense that you're promoting.
Duval
(4,280 posts)NHprogressive
(56 posts)It exactly as transparent as people on the right calling Hillary Clinton a man-hater, and just as idiotic. We're supposed to be better than this on our side.
panader0
(25,816 posts)Autumn
(45,120 posts)Awesome video, do be sure to watch it. Obama at his best and Hillary as usual.
Gary 50
(382 posts)The blatant dishonesty of watching Clinton repeatedly disrespect both the moderator and her opponent and then to try to play the sexist card against Bernie for not graciously accepting her interruptions is breathtaking. The mental gymnastics necessary to watch that debate and then claim Bernie is disrespectful to HER is mind boggling. By the way, there are also pictures of her waving her finger in his face but the Hillarians must have missed it. Not surprising.
MaynardGeeKrebs
(31 posts)magical thyme
(14,881 posts)Unlike these *real* examples of "in your face"
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)Marr
(20,317 posts)I realize he feelings me be very easily bruised after so many years of coddling-- I mean, she's been allowed to use such bullying, assholish behavior up to this point and nobody *gasp* pointed at her and said as much, but with some cookies and coffee, and I expect she'll get over it.
fun n serious
(4,451 posts)He came very close to her face with his finger. If you recorded the debate you should watch it again and you will see.
Bettie
(16,139 posts)she should be allowed to interrupt and he should meekly shut up and wait for her to decide when he should be allowed to finish (which would be never, because she doesn't like to hear anyone's voice but her own).
He should just stand silent while she takes her time and his time?
Not surprising.
Bubzer
(4,211 posts)Perogie
(687 posts)Fla Dem
(23,839 posts)blackspade
(10,056 posts)He is right handed and he always makes those gestures.
That CNN put him on the other side of Clinton and so close together is the only thing that gives that appearance.
The fact that you and others Clinton surrogates are making this an issue is telling.
You're having to latch onto anything that could cause offense rather than the substance of the debate itself.
You all are crowing about her big debate win, so why are you focusing on bullshit stylistic issues?
Blue_In_AK
(46,436 posts)so in the picture above, she actually IS pointing at him and not just gesturing.
This is the most ridiculous non-issue I think I've seen thus far. She was rude and her people should just accept the fact that she got called on it.
polly7
(20,582 posts)noamnety
(20,234 posts)you aren't a BLM activist.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)noiretextatique
(27,275 posts)My family members on Facebook are Clinton supporters, but they did not like her attitude with the last BLM activist...the one she told to run for office.
JackRiddler
(24,979 posts)You're watching it on TV and deciding it looks that way because it's a point of convenience. The importance of this is probably less than that of Trump's hand size.
vintx
(1,748 posts)Media spin is going into high gear.
Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)but I think the substance of the deabte is quite a bit more important
GreatGazoo
(3,937 posts)when they work in a phrase like "more fitting of the GOP debate stage than the Democratic one" it is no accident. They are running a brand campaign, a bandwagon campaign that is all about demanding party loyalty or gender loyalty and identity politics, instead of policy, her record or her vision.
ChairmanAgnostic
(28,017 posts)snort
(2,334 posts)Fucking duck.
GreatGazoo
(3,937 posts)7wo7rees
(5,128 posts)Thank you! Made me laugh for the 1st time this am!! Add the gif. I don't have it.
Me. 7wo7rees
EmperorHasNoClothes
(4,797 posts)Just saying.
noiretextatique
(27,275 posts)That's the purpose of this latest faux outrage.
Gwhittey
(1,377 posts)For anyone to be fucking talking about this shit as it was major issue of debate. I don't care if Sanders jumped up and took a big crap on Clinton's podium, the media should be talking about the fucking issue of Flint. God dam GOP circus has made media even worse than it was they so want conflict even one that is so removed from talking about the size of your dick as this "excuse, me" comment is.
freebrew
(1,917 posts)Waiting For Everyman
(9,385 posts)Just who the fuck does she think she is? I'm a boomer woman myself, and I'm tired of her antics.
There's zero reason to care what her mouthpieces think. That just tells me my impression was right, that Sanders was very effective in stopping her.
He was civil, that's all he needs to be.
And that finger bs is lame. He's tall, and appears to be right-handed. If it bothers her so much, she should make sure she's on the other side of him. I'm sure she could've arranged that if she'd wanted to.
Complaining about trivia is not a good tactic for her. If she can't deal with Sanders, she'd be road-kill with Trump (which I believe is in fact the case).
marew
(1,588 posts)You are exactly right. Since Hillary's stands on so many issues are wrong or she just changed them because the direction of the wind changed, she has to come up with some meaningless controversy! Really sad!
Her Wall Street positions are indefensible!
Autumn
(45,120 posts)Nanjeanne
(5,003 posts)But when she is rude and tries to interrupt someone who waited patiently to speak, and they say "excuse me I'm talking " SHE" is the wounded one? I find victimization very sad in a woman but even more in a Presidential candidate.
tomm2thumbs
(13,297 posts)or to bail Bill out
CrispyQ
(36,552 posts)SammyWinstonJack
(44,130 posts)Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)fun n serious
(4,451 posts)Women across the globe were offended. I was offended.. and brought it up before any media talking points did. The SOS handled it well.
redruddyred
(1,615 posts)it's embarrassing. if you want to get in high dudgeon about sexism please take some action on the 23049832094830928034983092 domestic violence cases that cops are not prosecuting, because they're a bunch of fucking bros(original, correct definition).
the thing is, i don't think upper middle class women care. i called a local hotline a few months ago "um my crazy family is stalking me". "why dyou think that? are they coming into your home?"
they posted an ad for a secretary recently, duties include data entry and light social media work for a single digit wage, requires a BA.
Buddyblazon
(3,014 posts)Justifying Hillary's behavior by calling it sexist is utterly disgusting. She was trying to be a bully. She was in a situation where there are rules and she tried to rudely bully through those rules.
If people are upset that she was politely asked to stop behaving badly, then there is something gravely wrong with the values and integrity of those people.
Using this as a cry of sexism is absolutely disgusting and not only insults the movement for women's rights, but condones behavior that should not be tolerated from a man...a woman...a democrat or a republican. You feeling insulted says more about you as a person than it says about Senator Sanders.
Jester Messiah
(4,711 posts)If she hadn't been rudely interrupting him, she wouldn't have had to been told. Don't like it? Don't cause it.
beedle
(1,235 posts)to write up some policy paper on it so that it can become an actual election issue?
The gall of some people. You actually believe that it's sexist to call someone out for being rude because they happen to be a woman?
Would it be sexist if another woman to Hillary the same thing for the same reason?
Would it be sexist if Bernie told another man the same thing for the same reason?
What exactly makes this 'sexist'? Simply because a man said it to a woman?
fun n serious
(4,451 posts)I thought his overall mannerisms were rude had he been debating a man or a woman. That was my opinion and many others as well or it would not have made news...
beedle
(1,235 posts)... so you actually think it is rude to call someone out for being rude, while they are being rude to you?
I could certainly see how being rude to someone who was being rude, but non-sexist, would "offend" "Women across the globe" ... any reason in particular why you singled out women for being offended? Or are you simply being sexist?
fun n serious
(4,451 posts)Also, when she is speaking he does not quietly wait his turn. He is very animated while she is speaking. Shaking his head, wagging his finger, lifting his arms in the air. It's rude and distracting. IMO
farleftlib
(2,125 posts)her bullying and then claiming to be a victim. Her behavior last night was disgusting and shameful.
Nanjeanne
(5,003 posts)a woman taught me just how rude that is.
noiretextatique
(27,275 posts)which is why he said excuse me i'm talking. she was rude.
Mother Of Four
(1,716 posts)When I saw the first of the spinning I wished I could ask each spinner "If she can't handle a semi brusk Excuse me I'm talking for her being rude... how is she going to handle her job as president? Make up your damn minds, is she ready for the job or is she a fading flower that needs a fainting couch because of her gender?"
If she was male this wouldn't even be an issue. So much for equality.
Whats really sad is that I raised my girls to be tough. Not mean, but thick skinned. They are both netters big time, they see this kind of crap and roll their eyes. Hell one of my girls is going into the male dominated field of video game creation, three females in the entire program at the college. She even has a T that she absolutely loves that says "Woman up" on it. If my 19 year old daughter can handle the constant jabbing back and forth from tech hounds (because she is one) then why can't supposedly battle hardened Hillary handle this? From what I understood she was being portrayed as tough, vetted, never stays down etc etc.
smh this is just sad.
noiretextatique
(27,275 posts)This slipping into victim mode. This is not the first time.
Fuddnik
(8,846 posts)26 replies so far, and I can see 7 of them.
I shudder to think what was in the other 20.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)nt
fbc
(1,668 posts)so she could then play the victim.
Segami
(14,923 posts)bullying tactics to provoke a response from Bernie so she could play the 'innocent victim' card.
The smear campaign headed by Hillary's BFF smear-rodent David Brock kicked into gear once they got the snip footage they were looking to exploit....
She earns her 'untrustworthy & dishonest' title well......
... I'd suggest Bernie be prepared for when Hillary pulls out the 'I'm not as likable as' line ... he should be very careful not to fall into the 'you're likable enough' trap and instead be totally honest and simply admit she is 100% correct on that account.
SammyWinstonJack
(44,130 posts)closeupready
(29,503 posts)So I also think you nailed that one brilliantly.
Bjornsdotter
(6,123 posts)Previuosly, during other debates, Bernie has let Hillary interupt and let her talk when it wasn't her turn.
This time he put a stop to that crap. That is not being sexist.
Camera angles and the position of the podiums make them seem closer than they actually were at times. Although that doesn't explain Hillary's condescending tone at times or her dirty looks at Bernie.
intheflow
(28,515 posts)Normal people know the difference between defending oneself and being rude. But apparently not Clinton supporters.
LittleGirl
(8,292 posts)Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)But it would be like a black rapper dropping an n-bomb, right? My vagina gives me a pass!
Geronimoe
(1,539 posts)Allow her to interrupt him all night?
nxylas
(6,440 posts)These commoners need to know their place when in the presence of royalty.
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liberal_at_heart
(12,081 posts)They think everything is sexist. I am female Bernie supporter and I have seen nothing sexist in his behavior.
LittleGirl
(8,292 posts)EndElectoral
(4,213 posts)Segami
(14,923 posts)Its fodder for the mindless.
ChairmanAgnostic
(28,017 posts)I shudder at the near future, as they plot some other bizarre, baseless attack.
Let's see. They attacked Obama about his religion and planted stories about Rev. Wright.
They attacked his citizenship, via proxy.
They attacked him as unelectable, too liberal, and not grounded in reality.
Get the picture?
Actually, their best (worst) was attacking him for being a paid whore for wall street, hiding his Super PAC, and being a flip-flopper on corporate regs. Hillary. ATTACKING Bernie. For Pac money. which he does not have.
Their gall is only matched by their willingness to lie through their teeth.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)The response of the Clinton Machine (TM) and the Conventional Wisdom Brigade in the media are making a big deal out of Bernie's "ruse sexist" behavior and "finger wagging" during the debate.
Well, if one wants to compare finger wagging, I noticed her hands and fingers were up in the air quite frequently too. Was she being an arrogant sexist too?
Also, she was continually interrupting him, and trying the time-dishonored technique of cutting off and talking over an opponent. I actually commend Bernie for his restraint in those exchanges.
And, for Bernie, much of his "rude finger wagging" was actually his adhering to debate etiquette, by signalling to the moderators that he wanted a chance to respond -- unlike Clinton who simply interrupted.
Jarqui
(10,131 posts)EndElectoral
(4,213 posts)Gimme a break. Frankly, this is dumb stuff and is my last post about this nonsense.
Trust Buster
(7,299 posts)Armstead
(47,803 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)....Don Lemon a couple of times in the middle of his questions.
bigdarryl
(13,190 posts)That was not Presidential
Armstead
(47,803 posts)bigdarryl
(13,190 posts)demwing
(16,916 posts)And calling someone a motherfucker while lecturing us about polite responses is a pathetic joke.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)She is rude and he politely pointed it out to her. Simple as that. No woman I know thought any thing of it in context.
bigdarryl
(13,190 posts)Hiraeth
(4,805 posts)panader0
(25,816 posts)You seem quite compatible.
beedle
(1,235 posts)she was NOT the one who "WAS TALKING" ... she was the one who was INTERRUPTING.
If she had been talking in her turn and Bernie had interrupted she would have been well within her right to say
Excuse me I'm talking'.
She's also not the one who said "I don't take bribe money from lobbyists' .. again, for a good reason.
Get how that works? If you aren't doing something, you don't usually say you are ... although with Clinton there are some glaring exceptions to that rule.
MissDeeds
(7,499 posts)Spot on
Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)I'd have been tempted to be one hell of a lot more forceful in my implied STFU. Betcha my numbers would climb after that, too...
noiretextatique
(27,275 posts)Have Clinton supporters forgotten about manners too?
noiretextatique
(27,275 posts)when it was his turn to speak,
840high
(17,196 posts)stop her mouth from running. Very rude.
Segami
(14,923 posts)It speaks to her persona.......Next time, write it in caps!
closeupready
(29,503 posts)polly7
(20,582 posts)to talk when not her turn was a tactic she uses in every debate and did so even in 2008 with Obama. The less time she allows her opponent to score points, the better. She doesn't do well if she has to play fairly. If he hadn't called her out she'd have gone on and on forever. That's not a debate, it's just a bullying stump speech - one that she tries for every chance she gets.
The added (deliberate) benefit - she also has her advisers and supporters claim SEXISM! for it to score points with - how nasty is that? Women all over the world are raped, tortured and killed for real 'sexism'. She makes a fucking joke of it. That is what you should be so angry at.
Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)I rather doubt they'd leave the response I'd prefer to make to you here...so you'll just have to use your imagination. Such as it is...
RoccoR5955
(12,471 posts)You pull words out of your posterior, while your head is shoved up it?
Not presidential to politely ask someone who rudely interrupts his statement?
No, Hellery was RUDE!
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pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)Hillary kept interrupting Bernie when it was his turn to talk. She could not control herself. And when you are out of control and being disrespectful, it's up to the adults to bring it to your attention. And she was rude and did not respect Bernie's time to speak. It's the same if it is a woman or a man who's being rude and disrespectful.
I don't think it does women any good to be rude like that and when you are called out on it to cry, "but I'm a woman".
liberal_at_heart
(12,081 posts)When he would beat her in a game she would say, "You're supposed to let me win."
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Old Codger
(4,205 posts)Of her campaign and what appears to be a large majority of her backers, sleeze is king... She cannot survive the truth.
Buns_of_Fire
(17,208 posts)In my dreams, the lights visible to the speakers are hard-wired to their microphone. When they turn red ("Okay, wrap it up!" , they'd have five seconds to finish their current sentence -- then their microphone would shut off and STAY off until their rebuttal or next question.
I think that'd work. I also think I'd be the most hated moderator in D.C.
ejbr
(5,857 posts)of Sanders. If he said that to a man who was interrupting, no one would bat an eye, but because Clinton wants it both ways with her gender, she now should be treated DIFFERENTLY than a man. Whatever...
ConsiderThis_2016
(274 posts)Did you notice early on in the debate, when they were talking about the lead in FLINT water? Then she goes above and beyond Flint's lead emergency and harkens back to the days of when she worked shoulder to shoulder, with then... Senator Barack Obama on the lead issue.
Her only problem was, because she kept talking and talking about how she was going to rid this world of lead, she forgot that the question was, what would you do as President... about the lead problem. It seemed to me, after all her bravado and ritious promises and convenient embrace of SENATOR Barack Obama... She had no choice but to paint a picture of,... now President Obama as not doing as much as She would do... or as much as... they had done, when he and her were colleagues in the senate.
It happened within the first 1/2 hr of the MI debate, go replay the tape! The question was... basically as Prez, what would you do about the lead problem. She put President Barack Obama on front street... then rolled him under the bus, painting him as a slacker on Flint and our lead issues. Keep talking Hillary, what you say, can and will be used against you in a court of law.
Avalux
(35,015 posts)If she's the nominee, she won't win. So many of us will not vote for her. Hate these disgusting GOP dirty tricks.
CrispyQ
(36,552 posts)But I'm supposed to vote for her because she's better than the other side.
Bubzer
(4,211 posts)Response to Segami (Original post)
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cyberswede
(26,117 posts)concreteblue
(626 posts)The delusion is strong in this one.
Bettie
(16,139 posts)and what you said is just a huge pile of sexist dreck.
You seem to think that whenever Clinton opens her mouth, all must sit silent, waiting to see what she says, attempting to speak (even when it is your turn by the rules) is forbidden, because we must await the words of The Queen (your words).
I was under the impression that the point of the feminist movement was not for women to come first, but for all of us to be equal. Saying women need to come FIRST in all things is sexist.
Oh, and about the Titanic, more First Class men survived than steerage women and children. In that disaster as in all things, the rich come first, no one else.
I suspect that is what Clinton's supporters are screaming about here, as a WEALTHY person, she expects to come first, never to be interrupted or contradicted, or even disagreed with.
dana_b
(11,546 posts)you want to be pampered to. Queens? The Titanic??
Enough - bye!!
rladdi
(581 posts)Americans are concerned about.
Just what are the Republicans candidates discussing, yelling about. Ah, they spent their debates on trashing each other. No issues are discussed.
Harriety
(298 posts)What the hell will she do if she gets the nomination and has to debate the Republican candidate???? They will sling a lot more mud at her than Sanders, who is a light weight when it comes to criticism. (He is a considerate gentleman just like President Obama.) She needs to toughen up if she wants to look like a real leader.
Duval
(4,280 posts)Sen.Clinton interrupted several times, talking over Bernie, which came across as very rude. I just love the spin machine for her..NOT.
PatrickforO
(14,602 posts)Sorry.
zentrum
(9,866 posts)Hillary gets to be as rude as she pleases, but Bernie is sexist when he points out he's being cut off.
Because "It's Her Turn".
I find her unwatchable. I'm a woman for Berniehe's the better feminist.
SoapBox
(18,791 posts)Hey Brock...let's talk about your sliming of Anita Hill!
SoapBox
(18,791 posts)Squirmishes McPalin
Squirmishes McPalin? @McSquirmishes
I never knew I could interrupt men as much as I want and they're sexist if they tell me to stop!
My life is changed forever.
#DemDebate
Mar 7, 2016, 12:03:36 AM from Los Angeles, CA
basselope
(2,565 posts)Ever time she GLARED at him for daring to speak after waving his hand to get his response time.
blackspade
(10,056 posts)from the Clinton Campaign and their M$M sock puppets.
Never mind the substance of the debate, it's the performance that counts!
jwmiller
(3 posts)You could see Bernie restraining himself not to talk over Hillary ... and he wanted to, badly. Hillary on the other hand could not restrain herself. I'd call her actions rude. And rudeness begs a response. And then comes the sex card? Geesh!
Vinca
(50,323 posts)If she thinks this is bad, she's in for a huuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuge surprise if she's the nominee against "The Donald."
alcina
(602 posts)If Sanders had been continually interrupting Clinton and she'd responded the exact same way -- "Excuse me, I'm talking. I will tell my story and you tell yours." -- their enthusiasm would have been unbridled. Her performance would be described as polite but assertive, gracious but strong, courageous, refusing to be bullied, blah blah blah.
As someone who believes in treating people of all genders as equals, I find the double standard here quite offensive.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)She did that last time as well.
Also the finger thing is a pretty good dog whistle
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)jwirr
(39,215 posts)thinks she is entitled. Rude indeed.
Uncle Joe
(58,504 posts)it reflects a lack of respect and a self-consumption with "I" or "me."
Thanks for the thread, Segami.
Maedhros
(10,007 posts)means that they know that Sanders won on the issues, and they need to move discussion away from that fact.
dana_b
(11,546 posts)that is EXACTLY why this non-issue has become an issue. Hillary and her camp are worried. As they should be.
Marr
(20,317 posts)just disregard what they're saying as 'anything to win' bullshit. They just have no credibility.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)noiretextatique
(27,275 posts)davidthegnome
(2,983 posts)What's wrong with him asking/telling her to stop interrupting him? Some people do indeed consider that rude. This isn't a matter of gender war, but common courtesy that has unfortunately become rather uncommon of late.
What the heck is so cringe-worthy about this? Desperate and disrespectful? "Stop interrupting me." What's wrong with that? It doesn't strike me as sexist, it doesn't strike me as bigoted, it doesn't strike me as him telling her to shut up, but rather, telling her to wait for her turn to speak - to allow him to make (or attempt to make) his point/s.
Interruptions are common enough during these debates, I suppose - but it is rude to keep interrupting a candidate who's turn it is to speak. I'm not going to make a huge deal of it, because these are the primaries... but, not seeing what Sanders did that was so terrible here.
Can someone explain to me how this is any different from what people like Chris Matthews do all the time during interviews? From discussions we see on CNN, Fox, MSNBC and elsewhere where who ever is speaking is often rudely interrupted and asks/demands that people stop interrupting them? What's so desperate and disrespectful about this? Wasn't Clinton being disrespectful by repeatedly interrupting him?
I don't get it.
closeupready
(29,503 posts)some of whom have managed to turn such mischief into an art form. Just use your imagination to fill in the blanks, and you got it.
noiretextatique
(27,275 posts)to deflect attention from her words in the debate. faux outrage is better than trying to defend fracking.
2pooped2pop
(5,420 posts)I probably would have knocked someones teeth out for all of the constant interuptions, overtalking and lies. He remains in control. What he said was not out of line.
Last week Hillers was saying how strong she is, this week, this is what they are crying about?
Mufaddal
(1,021 posts)silvershadow
(10,336 posts)felix_numinous
(5,198 posts)of misogyny or abuse--this world is bursting at the seams with REAL examples of sexism and abuse without faking it!!! I am tired of hearing these words bandied about when it has more to do with individuals trying to distract from their bad behavior or deficit in knowledge.
Hiring David Brock should negate her ever claiming to be a feminist, WTF was she thinking.
pacalo
(24,721 posts)or filibustering so that her opponent won't be able to get in a word.
It is what it is. She's the rude, ingenuous one.