THE WORM HAS TURNED: Barring unforeseeable events, Bernie Sanders will be the Democratic nominee.

[Pharaoh]

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/2/7/1481253/-THE-WORM-HAD-TURNED-Barring-unforeseeable-events-Bernie-Sanders-will-be-the-Democratic-nominee


The Clinton campaign is collapsing. Built for an outdated presidential race from the past two decades, it underestimated the changing times, a unique opponent, and increasingly savvy voters.

The campaign's first mistake was to take the traditional approach of sitting on a lead. Certainly, it would have seemed a safe bet. The party's elected politicians would rally to her as the presumptive nominee—and they did. Donors were lined up for a big haul—and they gave. The media would willingly marginalize Sanders—and they tried. And the voters could be quickly frightened with specters of Republicans into sticking with the establishment candidate—but they weren't.

Despite every institutional advantage and a made-to-order GOP horror show, voters could not be scared away from Sanders. The more intently the machine insisted upon Clinton, the more suspect Clinton became. And now her campaign is out of options.

There are no more endorsements left to get. She's squandered her financial advantage by outspending Sanders by many times in Iowa, only to tie. Her big donors must be maxing out in direct contributions, leaving Super PACs as the only vehicle through which she can make up the losses (less than ideal optics). And the media has already stooped so low in its dismissal of Sanders that there is no credible room left to expand that endeavor. At this point, Chris Matthews would literally have to beg viewers to vote Clinton in order to outdo his current advocacy.

[onehandle]

1. LOL! See you on Super Tuesday 2! nt

[cherokeeprogressive]

20. Super Tuesday ONE was supposed to be the end of the race. How many Super Tuesdays do you envision?

[SidDithers]

30. Super Tuesday ONE was the end of the race...nt

Sid

[cherokeeprogressive]

33. Psssst... Hey Sid. The largest population in the nation is still three months away from voting.

[VulgarPoet]

102. These people don't care about that. nt

[Major Hogwash]

84. Yes it was, for Hillary. Read the article again. She's berned out already.

Unless she can get more money or endorsements from say, oh, I don't know, people in Canada, she's toast.

[Scootaloo]

63. He was supposed to be out of the race by July last year

When that didn't happen, it was September. when that didn't happen, he was supposed ot be done "by christmas". And then he was supposed to lose IA and NH (and we were assured that neither state mattered anyway "because Demographics.&quot When that didn't happen, he was supposed to be out just after Super Tuesday.

[Betty Karlson]

91. Is that where the goalposts have moved this time?

And where will they move next? Isthere a plan B... no wait, C? D? How far down the alphabet have your side gone by now?

[zappaman]

2. He's winning both in delegates and votes!

[Lucinda]

35. He is actually behind in both.

[Agschmid]

77. ... He knows.

[Orange Butterfly]

44. beautiful artwork - who's the artist?

[Surya Gayatri]

88. Bwaahaaaaa! Put a tiger in YOUR tank! LOL!

[monicaangela]

104. Wow!

OT: But I just had to tell you, I love that poster..is it yours? Where can I get one?

[peacebird]

3. Bernie has won the last 3 of 4 state contests. He has over 5 million individual donations. Momentum!

His momentum will continue to the convention and beyond!

[hack89]

4. Who is winning the popular vote and delegate count? Nt

[peacebird]

8. Your candidate had a "insurmountable lead" when Bernie announced. And yet this 'nobody' has her

on her heels.... He has won 8 states to her 11. And beat her fundraising in January.
Her unfavorables keep rising, as does his popularity.

How did Hillary manage to lose her "insurmountable" lead to someone no one knew about back last summer?

Maybe because she is a lousy candidate?

[hack89]

18. Winning states is irrelevant in the primaries

Hillary can lose several small states and more than make it up with a victory in a big state. Bernie has yet to show he can win large, diverse states.

[cherokeeprogressive]

23. Yet you asked 13 minutes before posting this who was winning the popular vote.

Having it both ways?

[hack89]

26. She is winning the popular vote - large states have more voters.

hence my point that Sanders needs to do more than winning small caucus states - it won't give him the delegate count he needs.

[Major Hogwash]

85. Hahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!

Good catch.

The popular vote doesn't even matter these days what with all of the cyborg voters.

[hack89]

94. I was just pointing out that the "lousy candidate " has attracted more voters

By every measure Hillary is doing better.

[Hiraeth]

111. images in your rearview mirror are larger than they appear.

[hack89]

117. Primary math has a corrective ability.

removes most of the distortion. Because the calculus of winning the nomination is simple and brutally efficient.

[Hiraeth]

120. brutal .... like a dictator?

[hack89]

121. Brutal like brutally honest in exposing a candidate's flaws and shortcomings. nt

[Hiraeth]

122. as Bernie continues to do so well in exposing his opponent. yep.

[hack89]

123. And the voters are exposing Bernie's shortcomings in gaining support from various demographics

doesn't look like the voters are buying what he is selling.

[Hiraeth]

125. using math skills one can determine that this variable has yet to be determined.

[Hiraeth]

124. and SO, using your SUPER MATH SKILLS you are able to determine that, in FACT, the IMAGE is indeed

LARGER than what you first CALCULATED. Back to the chalkboard for you.

[hack89]

126. He is behind and will fall further behind.

that is what it looks like to me. Bernie is toast unless he starts winning big victories in big states. It is hard to see where that is going to happen.

[Lizzie Poppet]

115. In the primary, with a stacked schedule.

A November disaster waiting to happen.

Not as much a disaster for people like me (independent far-left voter with no ties to the brand), of course. For us, the disaster will have already occurred, with no viable progressive candidate on the ballot and four more years of center-right (or far right) misrule in sight.

[hack89]

116. Perhaps you are one of the fortunate ones that can do well in a Trump presidency

if so, good for you. Some are not so lucky so I hope you don't drop out of the process if Bernie is not the nominee.

[Lizzie Poppet]

118. My vote in November is utterly irrelevant.

No way in hell Oregon breaks "red." Oh, sure, I'll keep an eye on the polling, just in case. But I'm completely confident that I can vote (or not, for the presidential slot) as conscience dictates, without batting an eye.

I'm also not sure that in matters of economic justice (by far my largest political priority) Trump would be any worse than Hillary. Sure, she's miles better on multiple other issues of considerable importance, and would be my gun-to-the-head choice, no hesitation. However, I have no reason to believe that their behavior towards the financial industry and other oligarchic interests would be all that different. She talks a good game (when she lurches left to win a primary, anyway), but to follow through? I wouldn't trust her any farther than I could spit a tractor.

Moreover, as someone despised by both sides of the aisle in the House and Senate (instead of just one side), Trump couldn't get much done that wasn't pretty broadly supported by both sides (which wouldn't be much). I fear his presidency a lot less than that of Cruz or especially Rubio (the latter being the real establishment Republican left in the race). Trump would be even more of an isolated outsider president than Bernie. His biggest downside is that he would make us an international laughingstock to a degree that makes W look like a statesman.

[vdogg]

106. 1.5 million "cyborg voters"

Riiigghht...

[madokie]

90. Yoh

Oklahoma hasn't gone blue for years but 76 out of the 77 counties went for Bernie on march 1. No funny business involved either but a couple of the states that Hill has won there sure was some funny business going on and she barely ecked out a win that if they hadn't pulled the shit she more than likely wouldn't have won. You know the two states I'm talking about too.
Hillary is working on a give me and a prayer. Soon to be history. Hide and watch

[hack89]

95. Yet Hillary has more votes and delegates

and the polls indicate she will continue to do well.

Answer this - Bernie has to yet win a large diverse state. He does well only when the percentage of non-white voters is low. How is he going to fix that?

[madokie]

97. Bernie gets next to zero press coverage

what he does get is not favorable. In spite of those odds he is closing in on hill like a runaway train.

Your vote or my individual vote won't make a hill of beans so vote for who you want but I can't see how anyone can't see the glaring problems that hill brings to the equation. She has problems and winning the highest office won't fix that. We flat ass don't need her anywhere close to the reigns of power, she is not to be trusted. I say that from paying attention to her since bill walked into the whitehouse. Only recently, like in the last few years has it all become clear to me that I don't/can't trust her for a second. She'll say and do anything that she thinks is necessary to get to that oval office. Experience bullshit. Only experience she has is how to manipulate people to get what she wants. Read up on what she stands for over the years, every where she goes she leaves a trail that is a mile wide and two miles deep, easy enough for anyone who wants to see to see.

I'll vote for her if I have to but only if I have too. I'm a member of the yellow dog democratic party

for instance just now on our local news I hear them talking about the election and then I hear her screeching voice and not one mention of Sanders but tRump, Cruz and Rubio all mentioned but they do play a clip of hill talking shit that was totally different from what she was saying a month ago. Camp weathervane covers it pretty well.

Bernie Sanders will be our next President.

[hack89]

98. The polls do not show Bernie closing the gap

But I think you know that.

[madokie]

100. A an example of what I'm saying

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511441656

polls didn't show Sanders winning OK on march 1 either. So there's that.

[MADem]

142. HUH? That was just the Dem primary--all of the counties in a Dem primary are blue.

Just as all the counties in a GOP primary are RED.

More Oklahomans voted for REPUBLICANS than Democrats.

139,339 more, to be exact.

And Cruz won that show. If you think those Republican voters are going to vote for Sanders, I think you are being overly optimistic.

Mar 143 delegates
100% reporting Delegates Votes
Cruz (won)
15
34.4%
157,941
Trump
13
28.3%
130,141
Rubio
12
26.0%
119,562
Carson
0
6.2%
28,572
Kasich
0
3.6%
16,515

452731 People voted in the REPUBLICAN Primary.

Mar 138 delegates
100% reporting Delegates Votes
Sanders (won)
21
51.9%
174,054
Clinton
17
41.5%
139,338
Dropped out: O'Malley

That's a grand total of 313392 people who voted in the DEMOCRATIC Primary.

OK is still a red state--by over a hundred thousand voters.....

https://www.google.com/search?q=Oklahoma+primary+voters&oq=Oklahoma+primary+voters&aqs=chrome..69i57j0l3.5643j0j7&sourceid=chrome&es_sm=93&ie=UTF-8#newwindow=1&q=Oklahoma+primary+results+2016&eob=m.05mph/D/2/short/m.05mph/

[senz]

107. Love the way you put that, peacebird!

Mood-brightener, for me.

[peacebird]

127. Glad to be of help, senz!

[ram2008]

5. Guys I like Bernie but

This diary is insanity. We're starting to sound like Ron Paul supporters. Bernie is behind in every measure for the nomination and 15% in a state that should be tailor made for him (Michigan), yet somehow he's the inevitable nominee?

[Pharaoh]

9. Its an opinion piece

nobody has to agree with it.

But the race is way far from over. And in my opinion we will go to the convention.

[metroins]

37. Look at the date

Feb 7th.

[mikehiggins]

83. No state is "tailor-made" for Sanders. He has no business even still being in the race.

I guess if you consider states where the majority of Democratic voters are white to be the only places Sanders can make inroads (which sort of seems racist to me) that claim might make sense. What doesn't make sense is how Sanders can still even be in this race, considering how many factors are stacked against this "single issue" candidate.

Yet he is.

How can that be?

I guess somebody is listening to him after all.

This will be settled at the convention and most likely not before.

[cemaphonic]

138. Yeah, this is really starting to bother me too.

I like Sanders, and the fact that a fairly obscure Socialist independent from a small rural state has been able to give Clinton a real contest is a remarkable achievement in itself. But he's the underdog, and unless the MI results are way off from the polls, will be almost insurmountably so by tonight. But if you went by DU or some of the other liberal social media hangouts, you'd think that he had a lock on the nomination.

[Dem2]

6. I'd like to see this person's opinion 1 month from that article's posting

(which is today)

[calguy]

7. Dream On Berniacs.....Dream On

Looks like someone can't do simple math.
Hillary currently has an almost 2-1 edge in the delegate count and huge leads in state polling.Dream On.

[peacebird]

11. Actually she has 200 pledged delegates above Bernie. Hardly insurmountable.

[Gwhittey]

27. Oh

silly me I forgot about that. I did not think anyone was stupid enough to buy into the Media's total lack of how party primaries work. My bad, I need to stop trying to think of this as DU forums and start thinking some people are same posters as would argue with on Sean Hannity forums.

[Pharaoh]

13. Super delegates are not in play

till the convention,

It's closer than you think.

But you can believe the MSM if you want.

[Gwhittey]

19. You say Math

And yet you think 672 is 2x more than 477. Seriously how in hell can someone harp Math and then be so fucking wrong with the math?

[Pharaoh]

41. For the Math challenged

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[brooklynite]

50. Down 200= "We're winnng!"

[drray23]

57. only 200 delegates separating them

is not a small number. Remember, the primaries for the democratic party are not winner take all.

In order to make up for this 200 delegates deficit, Bernie would need to win the remaining contest by huge margins since each time he wins a state Hillary also gets delegates.

Its not a biased opinion, its just math and polls do not enter into the equation.

See for example:

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/election-2016/delegate-targets/democrats/

which breaks down the numbers.

Technically, Bernie is not out of the race since he could win all remaining states by big margins and catch up but that is very unlikely

[Old Codger]

56. Berniacs?

OK hillbot keep the denigration going .... no fucking wonder we are at odds with the lunacy fringe

[NurseJackie]

10. Dated: 2/7/16

[Pharaoh]

14. ha ha!

and it's still relevant!!

[Xipe Totec]

12. Wyrm, not Worm, but yea.

[Ned_Devine]

15. Besides mine, there are ten replies and I can only see four

Did the swarm swoop in that quickly to debunk this? They are in full attack mode which doesn't bode well for them. their internal numbers in MI must be terrible and that debate last night sounded like the nails being driven into the coffin. Go Bernie!

[grossproffit]

17. To be fair, the article is from 2/7.

If you even see this.

[Jenny_92808]

22. My last post here was #16 and I can only see 8 posts.

That full-ignore features works GREAT!

[Jenny_92808]

16. Go Bernie!

We can overcome the cheating from the other side.

[Gwhittey]

24. No kidding

Even they lie about delegate count. Sanders has 477 Now if we use a base 10 math 477*2=x
x= 954 Clinton has 672 so They must be using some imaginary number system or something

[NCTraveler]

21. speechless..... ribs starting to hurt....

Let's see what happens on Super Tuesday. Lol

[Jon Ace]

28. I support Sanders and even *I* find this a little out there.

This... this is , right?

[book_worm]

29. Well, if he loses Michigan tomorrow it is hardly unlikely he will be the Democratic nominee

but you can dream--and I can't blame you. Polls are also showing HRC leading in Illinois, Florida, North Carolina, Pennsylvania, New York, Missouri--now if she wins all these big delegate states how is Bernie going to be the nominee? By winning little caucuses in states like Wyoming and Alaska?

[0rganism]

31. mmm, from a month ago

i'm sorry, i don't see the Clinton campaign collapsing; they just came off of a dominating performance in the Southern States, and might be able to pull off big wins in MI and OH. Hillary's campaign did make some mistakes early, but it looks like they've got it figured out now.

Sanders has to win something juicy on March 15 (FL/IL/MO/NC/OH, any one of them i'd consider juicy) and really is going to have to run the table from March 22 on if he wants to remain a serious contender. i think he'll do well on the West Coast, WA/HI/AK vote March 26, but OR (May) and CA (June) come pretty late so they don't build much hype for later races.

[jmowreader]

46. I think he'll do okay in ID/MT/WY/AK and MAYBE OR...

Oregon is extremely dependent on how Portland breaks, but the rest of the state is model Sanders territory: very homogeneous ethnically, and not all that fond of the government. The other four states? Think "New Hampshire with more Republicans."

WA and HI I don't see breaking Bernie's way...Asians seem to like Hillary a lot. Washington is driven by Seattle which has a very high Asian population; Hawaii is very strong in its Asian population. (Washington outside Seattle will probably break Bernie, but to win Washington you must win Seattle.) CA is definitely Hillary's; she does well in states with large cities and California has several.

I think Hillary's going to run the table on the FL-IL-MO-NC-OH set.

[0rganism]

64. if HRC wins *all* of FL-IL-MO-NC-OH, the west coast won't matter much

but if/when the race gets to the West coast, i think you'll see it break favorably for Sanders. I expect him to win AK, OR and WA with fairly wide margins, CA will be a tossup, HI will be close but i think Sanders can win it.

[jmowreader]

71. With the exceptions of CA-WA-HI I agree; the smaller states are definitely Bernie country

Here's the problem: The only state out here I'm not sure about is Oregon; it could break either way.

I know we issue delegates proportionally, so my numbers are necessarily bad, but we'll use 'em anyway.

The states I believe Bernie will win, without question, are South Dakota, North Dakota, Montana, Wyoming, Utah, Idaho and Alaska. All tolled, 177 delegates are up for grabs. (Yes, this is a mix of pledged and unpledged.)

The states I believe Hillary will win are Washington, Hawaii and California. All tolled, 701 delegates are up for grabs - 548 in California alone.

With 74-delegate Oregon in the mix...if it goes to Bernie there's a total of 251 up for grabs; if to Hillary there's 775.

If for some reason Bernie sweeps the West EXCEPT FOR CALIFORNIA he could get as many as 404 votes to Hillary's possible 548. If I wanted to sit here and calculate each state's delegate probability we could get a pretty decent number...but really, HRC 650/BS 302 is not out of the realm of possibility. Bernie absolutely, positively MUST take California if he wants to win the nomination, and he won't.

[stopwastingmymoney]

78. I'm in California

Anecdotal of course but I haven't seen a single Hillary sticker or sign.

Every Dem I know is excited about Bernie

We'll see

It's far from over

[SDJay]

136. I Saw My First Hillary Bumper Sticker

this weekend. I was in Palm Springs and it was on a Land Rover. It was honestly the first one I had seen. I've seen oodles of Bernie stickers.

We'll see what happens. It'd be nice for CA to actually matter in a primary for once, since our state is basically taken for granted in the GE as well, at least in the presidential race.

[Major Hogwash]

86. Oregon is definitely Bernie territory. Hillary was crushed in 2008 by Obama, and it will be even .

. . . moreso this year.
Hillary will be lucky to get 5 delegates in Oregon.

[liberal_at_heart]

66. Where King County goes, so goes WA, and Seattle loves Bernie!

Seattle is home to the $15/hr minimum wage and has its first ever Socialist city councilwoman. Seattle is very, very progressive. I will be voting for him on March 26. I've even been seeing a lot of Bernie bumper stickers in my neck of the woods, literally the woods.

[bigtree]

32. lol

[MaggieD]

34. Oh my dog - #livinginalternatereality

The future is going to be VERY disappointing for some people.

[Pharaoh]

38. It will

since Hillary won't beat Trump.

Watch what you wish for.

[MaggieD]

40. Of course she will beat Trump

You are falling victim to the hype your candidate is spinning. Please, join us in reality land. Everybody is welcome.

[MFM008]

36. wow just wow

math math math, do it.

[Historic NY]

39. Somebody's going to eat the worm tomorrow....

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/election-2016/primary-forecast/michigan-democratic/

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/election-2016/primary-forecast/mississippi-democratic/

[Bleacher Creature]

61. I think they already ate the worm.

And it was definitely spiked with something.

[obamanut2012]

92. lol

[RobertEarl]

42. 9 months ago

The socialist from Vermont was given a chance only to win Vermont and maybe, if he got lucky, NH.

6 months ago he was down by 30 in Iowa.

3 months ago he was down by 20 in NH.

I see a trend here.

[farleftlib]

49. I see it too

It's really an amazing sight. Bernie is trending toward victory.

[RobertEarl]

67. Up, up, and away

All the way to the WH. And then the real battles begin. Let us hope that at least on DU we won't have to fight them here anymore?

[BreakfastClub]

43. Is this a joke? If not, it's kind of sad. nt

[forest444]

45. If only.

And the worst part is, many Clinton voters cast a ballot for her because they believe she's the more electable one of the two - when almost every poll shows the very opposite.

To say nothing of how many independents and undecideds will break for Trump, and how many Republicans will turn out to vote just to vote against her.

Qué será.

[Downwinder]

47. Looking at the interactive Chicago donor map,

Clinton donors were running at about $1,000. Sanders donors were about $100. Clinton donors are reaching their limit.

[brooklynite]

48. My first thought was H.A. Goodman...

I assume, by the way, that "unforseen circumstances" include Clinton continuing to win States?

[MrMickeysMom]

51. This, from Hootch's article...

There are no more endorsements left to get. She's squandered her financial advantage by outspending Sanders by many times in Iowa, only to tie. Her big donors must be maxing out in direct contributions, leaving Super PACs as the only vehicle through which she can make up the losses (less than ideal optics). And the media has already stooped so low in its dismissal of Sanders that there is no credible room left to expand that endeavor. At this point, Chris Matthews would literally have to beg viewers to vot

Stooped lower? I'll bet you they can when they have nothing more to loose....

[Kuot420]

52. What a kind of la-la-land, up-is-down nonsense is this?

Sanders is trailing by a mile in Michigan, Mississippi, Florida, Illinois, and North Carolina, and by ~10 or do in Ohio.

When we wake up on March 16th, this race is effectively over, and it'll be time for Sanders to concede.

[zentrum]

53. May it be so.

But the fix is in, it seems to me, bigger than ever.

Will fight to the end, but there's no way the media-industrial-military-pharma-prison-complex is going to not have their pick---HRC.

[zentrum]

80. Very twisty.

Seems clear you don't quite understand the true meaning of the word "fix".

Have a nice evening.

[brooklynite]

54. BREAKING NEWS: This was posted in DK a month ago.....

Let's wait and see what happens on Super Tuesday.

[UMTerp01]

58. LOL. That was the first thing I noticed when I read it: THE DATE!!!

Yeah...on February 7th the media was on the "Hillary is in big trouble" train. Then Nevada happened and it was over. Then South Carolina and the whole issue of her "firewall" and that narrative hasn't been the same since. Bet you won't find any March 7 article saying anything near what Daily Kos posted exactly a month ago.

[Pharaoh]

68. If you bothered to read upthread

you would no that is old news and irrelevant to the point of the post.

[Ellipsis]

55. Yeah... I don't think they broke out the "Maker Hooks" yet... tomorrow should be interesting.

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[WillyT]

60. HUGE K & R !!! - Thank You !!!

[Chicago1980]

62. Uh-huh...

The polls say differently, and they've been fairly accurate.

That salt water people have been drinking are making them quite thirsty.

Optimistic delusion.

[Bucky]

65. Daily Kos? But I thought their thought police were clamping down on criticism of Clinton

You think this is one slipped just under the wire? or is their general election mode destructo-bot malfunctioning?

[leftynyc]

89. It was posted a month ago

and has become only more ridiculous is the face of reality.

[Gothmog]

69. The free market system disagrees with your analysis

The predictive markets which are based on the free market system disagrees with your analysis. If anyone really believes this analysis, then go make some money by opening an Irish brokerage account You would get great odds on this belief and can make some money http://predictwise.com/politics/2016-president-winner Clinton's odds of being the Democratic nominee has shot up smf the free market system is giving Sanders a 5% chance of being the nominee

I was close to buying an option when Clinton was only at 80% probability of being the nominee a couple of weeks ago (i.e., before the Nevada caucus results). With Clinton being at 95% chance of being the nominee, the pricing is not attractive to me but would be attractive if you really believe that Sanders will be the nominee.

The people who making the market are no doubt factoring in super delegates and all of the states where Sanders is projected to lose by double digit margins. 5% are not good odds and so if you believe your own analysis, you need to open an account and buy an option agreement

[SDJay]

72. Just Don't Openly Support SBS Publicly

or you'll be tossed out onto your ass into the street.

Right? Democracy in action.

[SoapBox]

73. You beat me to it...

KOS has said...only shilling for Hill after the 15th of March.

Say, isn't that the Ides of March?

"The Ides of March (Latin: Idus Martiae, Late Latin: Idus Martii)[1] is a day on the Roman calendar that corresponds to 15 March. It was marked by several religious observances and became notorious as the date of the assassination of Julius Caesar in 44 BC. The death of Caesar made the Ides of March a turning point in Roman history, as one of the events that marked the transition from the historical period known as the Roman Republic to the Roman Empire.[2]"

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ides_of_March

[SDJay]

75. I'm Really Pissed Off

about this. Tossing people out in an open debate who don't want to follow the preordained rules is toeing the line of fascism. DWS is fucking scum. I knew she had her thumb on the scale, but bringing things to this level is a whole new ballgame IMO. She may as well show up at the next event with a goon squad in brown shirts.

THIS is the DEMOCRATIC party? I'm freaking beside myself reading about this.

[Marr]

74. She's such a weak candidate. She's been reduced to lies and sleazy attacks against a candidate

the political/media establishment insisted was a non-competitor. She had every conceivable advantage in this race, but it's still a fight.

That is a weak candidate.

[SDJay]

76. And If People

support that non-competitor in a debate, they'll be fucking tossed into the street. Nice.

[Major Hogwash]

87. She might win in Florida.

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It's hard to tell now, but she has a good chance there.
But, that's the last state where she will do well.

[hack89]

96. Bernie consistently gets his ass kicked in large diverse states

she is going to win a lot of states besides Florida.

[obamanut2012]

99. She will trounce Bernie here

And also will in a lot of other states before Florida.

[Zynx]

79. So, she wins Michigan and Mississippi tomorrow. Illinois, Florida, Ohio, and North Carolina next.

She'll probably have more than a 400 delegate lead at that point. I'm not seeing this argument.

[CajunBlazer]

81. LOL!!!

That's really funny.

[HassleCat]

82. She'll slide by.

That's the response to your post from Clinton supporters. They're confident, although not completely confident, her momentum will last long enough to outlast Sanders. That's probably correct. Sanders moved up a long way in a short time, and he is so damn close it's scary. That's why we see a kind of defiant optimism from the Clinton camp. They know they're in trouble, but time is running out, and that favors Clinton. The system grinds along as it's always ground along, and it's grinding us a giant heaping helping of Clinton. The machine has slowed considerably, thanks to Bernie throwing wrenches in the gears, but it's still grinding out the same old product we've been sold for 30 years. Yeah, the Clinton campaign is sputtering and wheezing, but it could coast across the finish line, flat tires and all. Then it's on to the general election, where we'll all be expected to pay for the repairs and a full tank of fuel so the machine can speed along in the far right lane. Doesn't seem fair.

[randome]

112. Nice use of metaphor but I think Clinton will be a fine President.

The office changes the person and she will have an army of Progressive aides and assistants to prod her along. We'll be fine.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]A 90% chance of rain means the same as a 10% chance:
It might rain and it might not.[/center][/font][hr]

[HassleCat]

131. More of the same

Not what I want, but most people will be happy. They don't understand what it does to them when we deregulate the financial industry, gut workplace safety enforcement, engage in wild military adventures, etc.

[bvar22]

137. It wasn't so long ago that the Hillary Fan Club proclaimed that

"Bernie will win only one state....Vermont!"
Their credibility has been severely damaged.

[obamanut2012]

93. Thanks for the morning chuckle over my espresso, y'all

i majored in history, not math, but even I can figure out the math for this primary.

And, if the only way you can prove a point is to post extremely outdated news, made inaccurate by the fact it is outdated, then, well......

[Renew Deal]

101. Actually, there are like 200 more super delegates to win

On top of her 200 delegate and growing lead

[artyteacher]

103. bernie was over when he lost nevada. eom

[vdogg]

105. LMFAO!

Another one for the pile, bookmarking. These are gonna be so fun to kick when the primary is over.

[senz]

108. Amazing bitterness and nastiness on the other side.

Such lovely folks. Just makes me all the happier to be a Bernie supporter.

GO BERNIE!!

[JohnnyLib2]

109. Well, I'll be durned.

And will stay tuned to this way of thinking.

[stevenleser]

110. When you get back from Bizarro world, let me know how to get there. It would be an interesting

vacation.

[Lizzie Poppet]

113. While I wish it were so...

...it's my gut feeling right now that the collapse won't come soon enough. She'll lock up the nomination, her campaign will continue to unravel, and she'll lose badly in November, taking a lot of the down ballot with her.

[bigwillq]

114. Hillary Clinton will be the Democratic nominee

Bernie Sanders is putting up a decent fight but he doesn't have enough support to win the nomination.

[Tommy_Carcetti]

119. I have nothing at all against Sanders, but this is Baghdad Bob territory right here.

Sanders might technically still have a chance and there is always the prospect of unforeseen events, but at a certain point reality has to set in as to which is the more likely outcome.

Post should read, "Given unforeseeable events, Bernie Sanders could be the Democratic nominee."

[creon]

128. I have a silly question

What are partisans of either - Sanders or Clinton - going to do when the candidate that they support does not get nominated?

The supporters of the losing candidate will have to take a decision.

[obamanut2012]

130. I will vote for whoever is the Democratic nominee

As will every other HRC supporter I know.

[creon]

132. So will I

And, I vote in off year elections as well.

[Vinca]

129. Something occurred to me as I listened to a snippet of Hillary's Fox interview or town hall

or whatever it was. When asked about the emails, she said she had never sent or received emails that were marked as classified. A few days ago I heard in a legal discussion that sending an email that contained classified information and failing to mark it as classified is one of the crimes being investigated. It seems she's already admitted to something. The FBI and AG must be in a real quandary about what to do about this when the subject of the investigation is a presidential candidate. They're damned if they do and damned if they don't. If they do charge her, the Democrats are toast this year. If they don't charge her and a Republican administration continues the investigation and ends up charging her, they'll be accused of a cover up. Whatever happens, I wish they'd do it sooner rather than later. Right now we have a viable candidate in Bernie Sanders, but if the nonsensical trashing of him continues by the Hillary people, he won't stand a chance against the Republicans if he's the general election candidate by either receiving more votes or default.

[Freddie Stubbs]

133. Ha Ha Goodman should sue this guy for plagiarism

[Starry Messenger]

134. Oh dear.

[BainsBane]

135. She leads by 1.5 million votes

RCP Total - 4,180,853 2,659,254 Clinton +1,521,599
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/democratic_vote_count.html

and that gap will grow considerably today and next Tuesday.

Recycling month-old opinion pieces won't change that.

[Downtown Hound]

139. LOL. I like Sanders too but some of you are starting to sound like the Germans who refused to accept

they could be defeated even as the Russians encircled Berlin.

[fun n serious]

140. ;) nt

[George II]

141. .