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Tue Mar 8, 2016, 09:59 AM

 

Mothers of slain men knock Sanders for 'ghetto' comment



Detroit (CNN)The mothers of Trayvon Martin and Jordan Davis, two men killed in high-profile shootings, knocked Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders on Tuesday for comments he made on Sunday about "ghettos" and African-American families.

Asked during the CNN debate in Flint, Michigan, about what racial blind spots he had, Sanders said that many white Americans "don't know what it's like to be living in a ghetto" and "don't know what it's like to be poor."

The comment rankled many and the Clinton campaign seized on it as a way to cast Sanders as out of touch on race.

"Sen. Sanders is wrong to suggest that the concept of the ghetto is inextricably connected to Black America, just as he was wrong to yet again defend his NRA-backed position on guns," Sybrina Fulton, mother of Trayvon Martin, said in a statement on Tuesday.

Both mothers have endorsed and campaigned for Hillary Clinton.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/08/politics/bernie-sanders-ghetto/index.html


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Reply Mothers of slain men knock Sanders for 'ghetto' comment (Original post)
msanthrope Mar 2016 OP
vdogg Mar 2016 #1
msanthrope Mar 2016 #2
Octafish Mar 2016 #3
nc4bo Mar 2016 #5
msanthrope Mar 2016 #13
vintx Mar 2016 #18
riversedge Mar 2016 #68
vintx Mar 2016 #19
Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2016 #59
randome Mar 2016 #24
Spacedog1973 Mar 2016 #30
msanthrope Mar 2016 #8
Dr Hobbitstein Mar 2016 #23
Ed Suspicious Mar 2016 #50
riversedge Mar 2016 #11
PeaceNikki Mar 2016 #39
CoffeeCat Mar 2016 #40
flamingdem Mar 2016 #47
JustAnotherGen Mar 2016 #4
auntpurl Mar 2016 #6
NCTraveler Mar 2016 #25
JustAnotherGen Mar 2016 #31
DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2016 #34
pipoman Mar 2016 #7
msanthrope Mar 2016 #9
pipoman Mar 2016 #12
msanthrope Mar 2016 #14
pipoman Mar 2016 #15
pipoman Mar 2016 #17
DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2016 #22
pipoman Mar 2016 #26
CoffeeCat Mar 2016 #43
pipoman Mar 2016 #66
vdogg Mar 2016 #41
pipoman Mar 2016 #67
riversedge Mar 2016 #10
DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2016 #16
pipoman Mar 2016 #20
DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2016 #27
pipoman Mar 2016 #28
DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2016 #32
MattSh Mar 2016 #21
Trust Buster Mar 2016 #29
DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2016 #33
YCHDT Mar 2016 #44
Kber Mar 2016 #35
Trust Buster Mar 2016 #36
DesertRat Mar 2016 #37
JRLeft Mar 2016 #38
CoffeeCat Mar 2016 #54
flamingdem Mar 2016 #42
YCHDT Mar 2016 #45
flamingdem Mar 2016 #49
auntpurl Mar 2016 #51
flamingdem Mar 2016 #52
auntpurl Mar 2016 #53
flamingdem Mar 2016 #60
Trust Buster Mar 2016 #46
OriginalGeek Mar 2016 #48
OriginalGeek Mar 2016 #55
Amimnoch Mar 2016 #56
EndElectoral Mar 2016 #57
Geronimoe Mar 2016 #58
Festivito Mar 2016 #61
JustAnotherGen Mar 2016 #63
Festivito Mar 2016 #64
JustAnotherGen Mar 2016 #65
Sunsky Mar 2016 #62

Response to msanthrope (Original post)

Tue Mar 8, 2016, 10:06 AM

1. Bet this one won't get as much play as Ashley Williams

Criticising Hillary. This thread will sink straight to the bottom. K&R anyway.

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Response to vdogg (Reply #1)

Tue Mar 8, 2016, 10:07 AM

2. It will get play in Michigan....and Illinois, and Ohio. DU? Meh. nt

 

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Response to msanthrope (Reply #2)

Tue Mar 8, 2016, 10:08 AM

3. ''Play'' as in ''Use.''

Somehow, apropos.

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Response to Octafish (Reply #3)

Tue Mar 8, 2016, 10:12 AM

5. Only from Camp Spinnerette does it become a BFD.

Many, many people understand what the real deal is.

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This gif shows origins of poutrage. Take it up with the BLM.

Once again, Camp Spinnerette misses the point. Concentrating on bullshit rather than talking about the real issue. So much wasted energy. It's no wonder not a god damn thing changes for the better.

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Response to nc4bo (Reply #5)

Tue Mar 8, 2016, 10:18 AM

13. What is the real deal that these mothers are missing? nt

 

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Response to msanthrope (Reply #13)

Tue Mar 8, 2016, 10:23 AM

18. Google "private prisons" nt

 

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Response to vintx (Reply #18)

Tue Mar 8, 2016, 02:37 PM

68. I am glad they spoke up about this issue

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Response to msanthrope (Reply #13)

Tue Mar 8, 2016, 10:26 AM

19. After that, tell me Hill's position on declassifying marijuana as a less dangerous drug

 

(I'll just explain it - this still allows black people - who are arrested for drug crimes exponentially more often than white people - to be funneled into those private prisons she gets money from.)

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Response to msanthrope (Reply #13)

Tue Mar 8, 2016, 11:46 AM

59. Cherry picking like Dubya's WMD claims is only admired as a skill set by Beltway assholes.

 

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Response to nc4bo (Reply #5)

Tue Mar 8, 2016, 10:32 AM

24. So Sanders repeated what someone told him without thinking it through for himself.

 

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It might rain and it might not.
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Response to nc4bo (Reply #5)

Tue Mar 8, 2016, 10:41 AM

30. The mothers were not talking 'bullshit'

You can make your argument, but it would do you, Sanders and your campaign a whole lot of good to wrap your argument in as much respect as you are able to.

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Response to Octafish (Reply #3)

Tue Mar 8, 2016, 10:14 AM

8. You think these AA women are allowing themselves to be used? nt

 

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Response to msanthrope (Reply #8)

Tue Mar 8, 2016, 10:32 AM

23. It's OBVIOUSLY Stockhom Syndrome.

 

Duh!

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Response to msanthrope (Reply #8)

Tue Mar 8, 2016, 11:30 AM

50. You seem to be getting some use out of them whether they're allowing it or not.

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Response to msanthrope (Reply #2)

Tue Mar 8, 2016, 10:17 AM

11. Yes, that is where i counts.

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Response to msanthrope (Reply #2)

Tue Mar 8, 2016, 11:01 AM

39. And Wisconsin. The mother of Dontre Hamilton has been with these moms.

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Response to msanthrope (Reply #2)

Tue Mar 8, 2016, 11:08 AM

40. Her entire campaign is based on smears

and pouncing on one line and getting as much negative mileage as she can out of it.

And she's not afraid to use people to help her further her cause.

They've been attempting to position Bernie as the white guy who can't connect with black people before his campaign ever left Iowa. Her campaign and her surrogates created special talking points when Bernie's popularity began to rise in Iowa. Before Bernie had even campaigned in a diverse state and while he was still campaigning in Iowa--HRC's campaign began saying that Iowa was too white. Yes, Bernie was doing well here, but the state is white. Bernie won't be able to do well in the most diverse states.

That meme was repeated, repeated and repeated and the whole nation kept hearing it. "Bernie can't connect with non-white voters" even before he campaigned in those states. HRC had her slimy, disgusting mouthpiece David Brock say, "Seems like black lives don't matter to Bernie Sanders." That was on January 21. A week before the Iowa caucuses.

They've been working this angle for months.

They tried to paint him as a liar for touting the photographs that show he fought for civil rights when he was a young man. They realized that they had to further damage him. They expected to be successful. Hell, they had classmates of Bernie's saying that it wasn't Bernie in the photo. Those people lied. They lied their asses off. Anyone care that Bernie was smeared and lied about in Swiftboat/Rovian fashion--complete with people who were probably paid to lie? The photog stepping forward and internet sleuths debunked the entire smear--but it's obvious they tried to decimate Bernie's civil-rights advocacy in a further attempt to paint him as (just like Brock said), "Seems like black lives don't matter to Bernie Sanders.

John Kerry was painted as a coward, when in reality--he was a war hero, leader and someone who earned a Purple Heart. But after that campaign was over, most of the country believed that he was a traitor, a weak piece of shit and someone who failed in the Vietnam theater. Bernie has been smeared much in the same way.

Many Clinton supporters haven't been impacted by this Swiftboatting of Bernie. They support her for their own personal reasons. They've looked at the candidates and made their choices. That's good. That's what happens in a democracy.

However, many people have been impacted by this negative messaging. Because of this David-Brock perpetuated narrative, some people will never support Sanders because they've been repeatedly told that, "Black lives don't matter to Bernie Sanders."

Just like with John Kerry, I find it all very sad.



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Response to CoffeeCat (Reply #40)

Tue Mar 8, 2016, 11:23 AM

47. I'm disgusted with the distortions being used against Bernie. Having followed him since the 70s

when I lived in Vermont, having met him in my activist period in Nicaragua, being a New Yorker myself it's just too much.

I know who he is and am so sad also that he's being painted as out of touch in such a cynical way. He's walked the walk and has great integrity. That makes those who paint him otherwise of lower character, lacking integrity. They know him too, and they know his credentials include understanding race.

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Response to msanthrope (Original post)

Tue Mar 8, 2016, 10:11 AM

4. Ms. Fulton did not live in a ghetto

And neither did Mr. Martin's significant other where Trayvon was shot. You know - the whole gated community thing.

How many times do we have to tell America - it's the color of their skin you stupids stepping out!

They were shot and one shooter got away with it and the other eventually got convicted because of Jordan and Trayvon's skin color. That's that.

Sybrina and Lucia know this - they know what's what.

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Response to JustAnotherGen (Reply #4)

Tue Mar 8, 2016, 10:13 AM

6. Well, exactly.

Sometimes it seems like Sanders doesn't know that rich black people also experience racism. Not everything is about economic issues.

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Response to NCTraveler (Reply #25)

Tue Mar 8, 2016, 10:43 AM

31. My dad - a few months before he died

With an oxygen tank.

By a Monroe County Sheriff -

When his wife had been town council, he had been school board, was highly visibile in the small town Western NY Little League association (baseball in our town was like football down south), visible in the community as a leader -


Just wanted to get some strawberry freaking custard.


69 year old black man in a two year old Cadillac STS dying of lung cancer is some BIG huge threat in Monroe Country (Rochester Area) NY?

The hell out of here.

It was the color of his skin and he had broken no laws.

I hate these people of the lie.

Just hate them.

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Response to JustAnotherGen (Reply #31)

Tue Mar 8, 2016, 10:56 AM

34. Charles Ogletree wrote an entire book

Charles Ogletree wrote an entire book about middle class and upper middle class blacks being stopped for DWB or otherwise mistreated by the cops...

I read a sobering essay written by an ex cop. He wrote fifteen percent of cops are good, fifteen percent of cops are bad, and seventy percent of them can go either way depending on the culture of the department.

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Response to msanthrope (Original post)

Tue Mar 8, 2016, 10:13 AM

7. stupid....in fact idiotic

 

The whole issue of saying a word which some don't like to hear....who gives a shit what was said, since it is exactly the point of the same people who are feigning anger over this silliness. ..it really is an incredibly stupid, politically motivated molehill...not even a molehill, I just can't think of anything less important to anyone except the politically partisan.

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Response to pipoman (Reply #7)

Tue Mar 8, 2016, 10:15 AM

9. Apparently, some people do give a shit. nt

 

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Response to msanthrope (Reply #9)

Tue Mar 8, 2016, 10:18 AM

12. Only primary partisans...this hasn't a thing to do with what was said

 

It is a Clinton v. Sanders issue....period...

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Response to pipoman (Reply #12)

Tue Mar 8, 2016, 10:19 AM

14. You think these mothers and other AA persons who took offense are merely primary

 

partisans?

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Response to msanthrope (Reply #14)

Tue Mar 8, 2016, 10:20 AM

15. Yep, I do

 

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Response to msanthrope (Reply #14)

Tue Mar 8, 2016, 10:22 AM

17. It is about....

 

"Sen. Sanders is wrong to suggest that the concept of the ghetto is inextricably connected to Black America, just as he was wrong to yet again defend his NRA-backed position on guns," 

And nothing else....even that is a ridiculous lie of the Clinton camp...shocker, the liars are lying...

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Response to pipoman (Reply #17)

Tue Mar 8, 2016, 10:31 AM

22. If you believe

If you believe it is acceptable to suggest all African American are mired in poverty and live in ghettos there is nothing I can do to disabuse you of that notion, all the obscurantism in the world making it about Hillary Clinton and her supporters notwithstanding.

What a hurtful and insensitive observation it was but is not surprising coming from somebody with such a parochial world view.



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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #22)

Tue Mar 8, 2016, 10:36 AM

26. Nobody said "all"...nobody

 

Bernie's obvious point is exactly the position forwarded nonstop right here on DU for the past several years...

No, it is 100% about "just as he was wrong to yet again defend his NRA-backed position on guns," and nothing else...

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #22)

Tue Mar 8, 2016, 11:16 AM

43. But Sanders did not say

as you said, "all African Americans are mired in poverty and live in ghettos."

He did not say that at all.

Sanders was asked about his blind spots. He gave several examples. One example was about his friend in DC--who was obviously a very accomplished, successful person. They were attending the same conference and Bernie was blown back because this black man refused to even try to hail a cab--because his colleague indicated that the cabs routinely wouldn't stop for him.

Bernie was shocked and disgusted by that. And he used that example to illustrate that he can't possibly know what that is like.

Bernie also said that he can't possibly know what it is like to be profiled or dragged from your car, and treated poorly by the police.

The question was about blind spots. He also said the comment about "not knowing what it's like to live in a ghetto". He wasn't saying that all black people live there. Or that no white people live there. He was talking about his own blind spots.

He used several examples. But people are taking one line and hammering on it--without talking about the other things he said.

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Response to CoffeeCat (Reply #43)

Tue Mar 8, 2016, 02:26 PM

66. They don't care about honesty or truthfulness

 

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Response to pipoman (Reply #7)

Tue Mar 8, 2016, 11:14 AM

41. So, there should be no more threads about the "Super Predators "statement either.

Correct?

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Response to vdogg (Reply #41)

Tue Mar 8, 2016, 02:28 PM

67. I have no idea what you are on about

 

Whatever it is, it is just more lies from the liars I suspect...

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Response to msanthrope (Original post)

Tue Mar 8, 2016, 10:16 AM

10. Sanders looked to clean up his comments about ghettos on Monday (but Failed again)...





....The Sanders campaign didn't immediately respond to a request for comment.

Sanders looked to clean up his comments about ghettos on Monday at a town hall organized by Fox News. The senator said that what he meant to say was "in African-American communities you have people who are living in desperation, often being abused by white police officers. That is a bad thing."

The mothers also faulted Sanders for his position on gun control, an issue that Sanders defended at Sunday's debate.

The National Rifle Association praised Sanders' comments about gun control on Monday, tweeting that the Vermont senator, who is more conservative on guns than most Democrats, was "spot-on" when he defended his position favoring protection of gun manufacturers from legal liability over the use of their products.......

http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/08/politics/bernie-sanders-ghetto/index.html

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Response to msanthrope (Original post)

Tue Mar 8, 2016, 10:22 AM

16. I lived about three miles from where Trayvon was murdered.

That gated town home community replete with a pool and manicured lawns was anything but a ghetto.

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #16)

Tue Mar 8, 2016, 10:28 AM

20. Did Sanders say a single thing about Martin? Did he say his name?

 

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Response to pipoman (Reply #20)

Tue Mar 8, 2016, 10:37 AM

27. He suggested black people are mired in poverty and live in ghettos.

He suggested black people are mired in poverty and live in ghettos, and white people don't know what it's like to be poor.

This is the like the fifth time I have told this story here, well before the issue became an issue.

I can attest that both sentiments are patently absurd! I am white and became poor when my gf and I lost everything during the Great Recession. When my gf's unemployment benefits ran out we were literally penniless and homeless... My best friend who happens to be black and affluent let us live in his home and fed us for several months for free, and then loaned us several thousand dollars to make a fresh start.

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #27)

Tue Mar 8, 2016, 10:40 AM

28. Thos is the definition of "white privilege" that so many

 

Here and elsewhere promote the idea of...

So then, you deny that there is "white privilege"?

No, this had nothing to do with any individual. Travon's politically motivated relatives notwithstanding...

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Response to pipoman (Reply #28)

Tue Mar 8, 2016, 10:49 AM

32. White privilege means

White privilege means that there is a structure in place that ensures whites are treated differently than blacks, regardless of socioeconomic status. Trayvon Martin's, Sandra Bland's and Jordan Davis' middle class status couldn't immunize them from the effects of racism.

I posted this before the debate so my comments are free from partisan purpose:



Even in "liberal" L A I still hear subtle racism expressed.

I remember discussing the L A riots with someone and I had to mention it was black folk who saved Reginald Denny's life.

And this black guy, me, and a white guy were discussing the current election, and the white guy was bringing up every racial trope, albeit subtly. I said "you know most black folk are not on welfare, and most black folk aren't living in poverty."


Any way racism isn't like being pregnant where you are or you aren't. It has to be viewed as being on a scale. Ain't none of us are perfect but we can sure try...


http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1425525

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Response to msanthrope (Original post)

Tue Mar 8, 2016, 10:29 AM

21. Cue the outrage machine...

Oh, sorry. The outrage machine never stops.

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Response to msanthrope (Original post)

Tue Mar 8, 2016, 10:40 AM

29. I thought Sanders' claim that white people don't know what it's like to be poor

 

was even more damaging. Has this guy ever heard of Appalachia ? Does he live in a bubble ?

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Response to Trust Buster (Reply #29)

Tue Mar 8, 2016, 10:51 AM

33. When I was a kid we had friends who lived in trailer parks.

They were poor. We were working class but didn't realize they were poor at the time.

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Response to Trust Buster (Reply #29)

Tue Mar 8, 2016, 11:16 AM

44. I see your point, in contrast to relating blacks to being poor he said whites were at the oppoiste

... extreme which is not true at all.

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Response to msanthrope (Original post)

Tue Mar 8, 2016, 10:57 AM

35. I think the issue is that Sanders sees the world and its problems

Through the prism of economic inequality to such an extent that it overshadows and even blinds him to other realities or injustices.

Racism happens in all economic classes and poverty effects all races. The legitimate question is "is racism a cause of poverty or is poverty a contributor to racism?" How you see the issue will drive how you address it.

i believe the issue is more complex, and I'm sure both candidates would agree, but both have their starting / default positions and Sanders' is addressing wealth disparity as his first and most pressing issue.

Their are voices in the AA community that see his approach as simplistic and unsatisfying, even insulting. Call it poutrage or justified, denying the reality does not help.

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Response to Kber (Reply #35)

Tue Mar 8, 2016, 10:59 AM

36. Excellent analysis. Thanks for the effort.

 

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Response to msanthrope (Original post)

Tue Mar 8, 2016, 11:00 AM

37. k&r

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Response to msanthrope (Original post)

Tue Mar 8, 2016, 11:00 AM

38. I agree he's out of touch. He means we'll but it's just about sealed his fate with the black vote.

 

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Response to JRLeft (Reply #38)

Tue Mar 8, 2016, 11:37 AM

54. David Brock said, "Black lives don't matter much to Bernie Sanders" on January 21.

They've been hammering this point on Bernie and repeating it--in various forms--for months.

I live in Iowa, and I heard this over and over and over. How my state of Iowa didn't count, because it wasn't diverse. "Sure Bernie is rising in popularity in Iowa, but his message won't appeal to black voters."

This started in the summer of 2015. And it was viciously hammered before Bernie even had a chance to introduce himself to Hispanics and the black community. HRC worked very hard on building this damaging narrative.

I got sick of Hillary Clinton stereotyping Iowans and people from NH as groups of white people who really didn't matter and that our thinking was somehow flawed. She was suggesting that, because we were white, that our views and who we were not reflective of the country as a whole. Or that we didn't have any connection with Hispanics, blacks or other minorities. It was so insulting!

I've been involved in Iowa politics for many years and with the Democratic party. The proudest and most memorable moment for me, was the night that Obama won the Iowa caucuses. He arrived in Iowa with about 10 percent support. Iowa is 97 percent white, but we did our due diligence and we got to know Barack Obama. We loved him. No one in the country had voted before us. He had no momentum. What he built here in Iowa was brick-by brick-support. I was so proud of my state for picking the best candidate.

It's very wrong to use states and races and stereotypes to build narratives so you can get your crown, Hillary!

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Response to msanthrope (Original post)

Tue Mar 8, 2016, 11:16 AM

42. I'm pretty disgusted with the way Bernie has been mischaracterized regarding race

He was clearly responding to a conversation that included poverty. His words were used out of context.

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Response to flamingdem (Reply #42)

Tue Mar 8, 2016, 11:18 AM

45. It's not JUST this statement, for the most part people are forgiving but in Sanders case its

obvious he doesn't relate to PoC issues well.

At one time he intimated that the color issues aren't important in a radio broadcast, he's at least honest

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Response to YCHDT (Reply #45)

Tue Mar 8, 2016, 11:27 AM

49. Bullshit. This is an issue cooked up to destroy his credibility

Anyone who knows him understands this. I do know him, I've met him and have followed him. His integrity and knowledge on these issues is profound.

Hillary's team knows this as well, but they're more "skilled" at politics. I'm getting turned off by them

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Response to flamingdem (Reply #49)

Tue Mar 8, 2016, 11:30 AM

51. Being skilled at politics is an important skill to have when you're running for President

I don't think Bernie Sanders is racist. I do think that he and his team have really struggled to make his message (which is overwhelmingly about economic issues) resonate with black voters, to whom it is as plain as the nose on their faces that racism and poverty are NOT the same thing. That rich black people ALSO experience racism. That racism will not be solved by creating a new economic model. He won't stop and address the issue - he nearly always pivots back to his points about economic matters.

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Response to auntpurl (Reply #51)

Tue Mar 8, 2016, 11:33 AM

52. Thanks for the oft repeated talking point

The very repitition of which has revealed that it's a smear campaign, unfortunately bought by too many otherwise intelligent people.

Did you not read the context? Someone posted it above.

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Response to flamingdem (Reply #52)

Tue Mar 8, 2016, 11:36 AM

53. Perhaps it's oft-repeated because many AA DUers have been trying

to explain this very point over and over again, only to be met with accusations that it's a smear campaign or racial dogwhistling.

I've read the whole thread. The post that most resonated with me is that the mothers of these murdered children live in middle-class communities. Black people aren't getting killed because they live in ghettos, whether they do or not (I object to the term "ghetto", but that's beside the point). Black people are getting killed because they're black. When has Bernie ever addressed this point in the campaign? Not in terms of socioeconomic injustice, but just racism, by itself?

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Response to auntpurl (Reply #53)

Tue Mar 8, 2016, 11:46 AM

60. See from the context that they were discussing certain people

Let me just say again BULLSHIT regarding the pearl clutching about Bernie not understanding about the black middle class. That is misplaced pride that has zero to do with the interaction. Or, it's just politics as usual taking things out of context on purpose.

Now this kind of shitty reframing of a good candidate is happening even with Hillary sure to win. Please rethink your choices because Hillary is not a person with the greatest of integrity. I'm usually willing to go along to get along and supported Obama on DU fervently against attacks but this is wrong wrong wrong what's being done against Bernie.

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Response to flamingdem (Reply #42)

Tue Mar 8, 2016, 11:20 AM

46. Did he not say that whites don't know what it's like to be poor ?

 

How can he expect to receive the poor white vote from areas like Appalachia if he doesn't even recognize their existence ?

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Response to Trust Buster (Reply #46)

Tue Mar 8, 2016, 11:25 AM

48. He did not.

He was quoting what a young woman from Black Lives Matter told him.

SANDERS: “I was with young people in the Black Lives Matter movement. A young lady comes up to me and says you don't understand what police do in certain black communities. ‘You don't understand the degree to which we are terrorized. I'm not just talking about the shootings we have seen that we have to end, I'm talking about everyday activities where police officers are bullying people. You don't know what it's like to be living in a ghetto and to be poor. You don't know what it's like to be hassled when you walk down the street or get dragged out of a car.’ I believe as a nation in the year 2016, we must be firm in making it clear: We will end institutional racism and reform a broken criminal justice system.”

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Response to OriginalGeek (Reply #48)

Tue Mar 8, 2016, 11:39 AM

55. adding more - not to obfuscate, but to get it all out there

looks like he reiterated what she said:
I found it here: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2016/03/07/bernie_sanders_when_youre_white_you_dont_like_what_its_like_to_live_in_a_ghetto_and_be_poor.html


DON LEMON: Senator Sanders, on a personal front, what racial blind spots do you have?

SANDERS: Well, let me just very briefly tell you a story. When I was in one of my first years in Congress, I went to a meeting downtown in Washington, D.C. And I went there with another Congressman, an African-American Congressman. And then we kind of separated during the meeting. And then I saw him out later on. And he was sitting there waiting and I said, well, let's go out and get a cab. How come you didn't go out and get a cab?

He said, no, I don't get cabs in Washington, D.C. This was 20 years ago. Because he was humiliated by the fact that cabdrivers would go past him because he was black. I couldn't believe, you know, you just sit there and you say, this man did not take a cab 20 years ago in Washington, D.C. Tell you another story, I was with young people active in the Black Lives Matter movement. A young lady comes up to me and she says, you don't understand what police do in certain black communities. You don't understand the degree to which we are terrorized, and I'm not just talking about the horrible shootings that we have seen, which have got to end and we've got to hold police officers accountable, I'm just talking about every day activities where police officers are bullying people.

So to answer your question, I would say, and I think it's similar to what the secretary said, when you're white, you don't know what it's like to be living in a ghetto. You don't know what it's like to be poor. You don't know what it's like to be hassled when you walk down the street or you get dragged out of a car.

And I believe that as a nation in the year 2016, we must be firm in making it clear. We will end institutional racism and reform a broken criminal justice system.

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Response to msanthrope (Original post)

Tue Mar 8, 2016, 11:40 AM

56. Respect to the mothers and the hell they've gone through.

 

I have to say though, and I do say this as a rabid supporter of Hillary.. I don't believe either of our candidates has issue with race. I find the Bernie supporters attempts to slander/libel Hillary with RB attacks, and I just can't be on-board with our side doing the same.

I do firmly believe that either of our candidates will be strong and continued advocates for Human and civil rights across the spectrum.

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Response to msanthrope (Original post)

Tue Mar 8, 2016, 11:41 AM

57. Guess they've problems with Rich Boy and John Legend then as well

http://genius.com/Rich-boy-ghetto-rich-lyrics

Ghetto Rich, by Rich Boy, Lil wayne and Nas

Let me take you through my hood where I was born and raised
Where niggas tote semi-automatics, busting them K's
Heavy guns and dope funds and raids by the police
Still getting pulled over and asked by the police
'Bama wasn't made for a nigga to win
See the color of your skin get you put in the pen
It's real life, over dice, Dwayne dead and gone
Sending niggas to the pen or the funeral home
I be feeling like the Lord will never answer me back
So I'm holding on my gat just in case they attack
Bullet holes in your house will make it hard to sleep
You see the fiends on the street want the hard for cheap
A lot of niggas doing life from undercovers and fake friends
It's real how them penitentiary bars'll break men
Niggas doing life from undercovers and fake friends
It's real how them penitentiary bars'll break men

- Then Hook - John Legend -
It's where you live, it's where you play
It's where you learn your favorite slang
Your world is ghetto
It's where I live; it's where I'm from
It's where you had to tote your gun
Your world is ghetto


"On this remix to the 2007 original, Rich Boy, Lil Wayne, and Nas describe the struggles of living in the ghetto. While oftentimes living in the ‘hood is glorified, all three rappers offer a more candid take in this song about the fear, mistrust, and deception that define their daily lives.

Lil' Wayne in particular delivers one of his most heartfelt verses, describing the temptations of drug dealing, rising to fame, and dealing with the responsibility of being a role model"

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Response to msanthrope (Original post)

Tue Mar 8, 2016, 11:45 AM

58. Yet she seems fine

 

with Hillary's reference to children like Trayvon as being super-predators who need to be brought to heal.

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Response to msanthrope (Original post)

Tue Mar 8, 2016, 11:59 AM

61. Okay.The privileged wealthy -- black, white and whatever -- can be ignorant of poverty and ghettos.

Bernie is right inasmuch that whites may be the majority of those ignorant of poverty, but, Mrs. martin is right in that blacks can be just as ignorant of poverty as well.

Ghettos are not only racial divisions any more. Many different cultures exist together in the ones around Detroit.

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Response to Festivito (Reply #61)

Tue Mar 8, 2016, 01:30 PM

63. Except blacks cannot be

Ignorant of racial profiling - regardless of where we fall along economic lines -

It's daily for us.

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Response to JustAnotherGen (Reply #63)

Tue Mar 8, 2016, 01:54 PM

64. Blacks certainly can be

Ignorant of racial profiling. Maybe very few, but some can be.

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Response to Festivito (Reply #64)

Tue Mar 8, 2016, 02:11 PM

65. I highly doubt that

We experience just going into the grocery store.

We experience it as early as grade school.

There are a LOT of bigots in this country and whether they choose to acknowledge it or not they make sport of terrorizing us before we are even born (look to the mistreatment by physicians and neglect of expectant black mothers).

Twist the narrative any way you want to make yourself feel good - but at the end of the day it's a tie that binds those of us with black skin in America. If you are on the outside of the experience -

Then consider yourself blessed.

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Response to msanthrope (Original post)

Tue Mar 8, 2016, 12:27 PM

62. I agree Sybrina

To some folks ghetto=black, thug=black etc. So out of touch.

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