2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumSanders simply stated, “Being a human being.”
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While much of the candidates time was spent discussing differences in how they would approach issues such as student debt and health care, the forum also touched on areas where they agree, notably including abortion rights.
Baeir asked both candidates whether they believe there should be time restrictions on when a woman can legally have an abortion. Clinton stated that under Roe v. Wade, which is rooted in the Constitution, women have the right to make this highly personal decision with their family in accordance with their doctor. But, she argued, its not really a right if its filled with constraints.
Sanders agreed, though his response was a bit more direct.
I happen to believe that it is wrong for the government to be telling a woman what to do with her own body, he said, eliciting applause from the audience. I am very strongly pro-choice. That is a decision to be made by the woman, her physician and her family.
Sanders was similarly straightforward when discussing his belief in the health care as a universal human right. Asked where his understanding of that right came from, Sanders simply stated, Being a human being.
From: Clinton, Sanders go down to the wire in Michigan - YahooNews
Link: https://www.yahoo.com/politics/clinton-sanders-go-down-to-the-wire-in-michigan-024003909.html
dana_b
(11,546 posts)it's kind of sad that that is the case.
panader0
(25,816 posts)Dont call me Shirley
(10,998 posts)pat_k
(13,393 posts)The Second Stone
(2,900 posts)and Sanders should know that. It is the decision of the woman alone, and if she doesn't like the input of her doctor, she can get another doctor.
The inclusion of family by Sanders is a huge gaffe. Democrats have spent decades fighting for the right of a woman to not have her family have the decision on whether she must carry a fetus. Dozens of federal appellate and several Supreme Court decisions fight over this "family" part.
I've my disagreements with some of Sanders' followers, but this is the biggest gaffe I've seen him make in a very well run campaign.
WillyT
(72,631 posts)From OP.
passiveporcupine
(8,175 posts)But Hillary is waffling again, making it sound like she has not suggested that restraints on third term abortions are OK with her. That she has said multiple times it's OK with her. This makes it sound like she is not OK with restraints, and I know that's not her real position and I know if it came up she would back some constitutional restrictions on abortion.
She is trying to shapeshift again, and she knows the public is alarmed by her statements on abortion rights.
Trajan
(19,089 posts)So penny ante ...
Gone
The Second Stone
(2,900 posts)It is a major legal and political issue and has been for 40 years. A husband cannot require his spouse to bring a fetus to term. Neither can parents. It is about who owns a woman's body. The answer is the woman, and no one else. Reproductive choice is a basic human right, and a woman who cannot terminate a pregnancy on her own decision is denied her human rights.
panader0
(25,816 posts)To consult with family, whether for advice, or comfort, is wrong?
Of, course it is the woman's decision. Bernie said that.
He did not "botch" this issue in any way.
BernieforPres2016
(3,017 posts)To Full Ignore you go.
Mother Of Four
(1,722 posts)The whole "family" thing.
Let me give you just one scenario-
Woman 28 weeks pregnant rolls her SUV, she hits her head HARD. She's unresponsive and is vacced to the nearest trauma center. She doesn't wake up. Her family is then responsible for her care, and her unborn child's care. IF she doesn't have a living will, then it's the family's responsibility to decide what happens next. Whether its stopping trauma related labor etc.
The whole decide with the family thing isn't anyone stating anywhere that her family's voice is more important than her own, not anywhere.
And frankly stating that is pretty smarmy if you already knew about family making decisions for patients unable to on their own.
noiretextatique
(27,275 posts)It was not a "gaffe." Desperately trying to turn anything he says into a controversy is tiresome. Meanwhile, Clinton's comment was telling. She has offered up a constitutional amendment to ban late-term abortions. Bernie includes the word "family."
BernieforPres2016
(3,017 posts)Anybody with a brain realizes that "along with her family and her doctor" means if the woman WANTS the input of her family and her doctor. Most of us realize that her family is most likely to be involved if the woman is very young, perhaps still living at home.
What Bernie is saying, as you well know, is that the ONLY people that have anything to say about it are the woman and people close to her that she CHOOSES to consult.
Mother Of Four
(1,722 posts)Upthread I put in the saddest scenario that would require family and doctor input, because I really didn't think nuance would work with them.
Duval
(4,280 posts)Thanks for the post WillyT.
AtomicKitten
(46,585 posts)WillyT
(72,631 posts)RoccoR5955
(12,471 posts)Just like his answer to the question, "Do you think fracking is safe?" (I'm paraphrasing)
Bernie, "NO!"
Nite Owl
(11,303 posts)and answers like that is what people love about him.
WillyT
(72,631 posts)panader0
(25,816 posts)Bernie is the man.
I wish that I could recommend this again.