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WillyT

(72,631 posts)
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 01:24 PM Mar 2016

Sanders simply stated, “Being a human being.”

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While much of the candidates’ time was spent discussing differences in how they would approach issues such as student debt and health care, the forum also touched on areas where they agree, notably including abortion rights.

Baeir asked both candidates whether they believe there should be time restrictions on when a woman can legally have an abortion. Clinton stated that “under Roe v. Wade, which is rooted in the Constitution, women have the right to make this highly personal decision with their family in accordance with their doctor.” But, she argued, “it’s not really a right” if it’s filled with constraints.

Sanders agreed, though his response was a bit more direct.

“I happen to believe that it is wrong for the government to be telling a woman what to do with her own body,” he said, eliciting applause from the audience. “I am very strongly pro-choice. That is a decision to be made by the woman, her physician and her family.”

Sanders was similarly straightforward when discussing his belief in the health care as a universal human right. Asked where his understanding of that right came from, Sanders simply stated, “Being a human being.”


From: Clinton, Sanders go down to the wire in Michigan - YahooNews

Link: https://www.yahoo.com/politics/clinton-sanders-go-down-to-the-wire-in-michigan-024003909.html



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Sanders simply stated, “Being a human being.” (Original Post) WillyT Mar 2016 OP
k/r. VulgarPoet Mar 2016 #1
That simple, honest answer just blows people away dana_b Mar 2016 #2
One of his best lines of the night. panader0 Mar 2016 #3
Bernie is a great human being.... Dont call me Shirley Mar 2016 #4
Bernie!! AzDar Mar 2016 #5
Kick'n'rec (nt) pat_k Mar 2016 #6
But it is not the decision of the woman's family The Second Stone Mar 2016 #7
So... It's A Gaffe If Bernie Says It, But Not One When Hillary Says The Same thing ??? WillyT Mar 2016 #8
I agree, he should not have included family in that. passiveporcupine Mar 2016 #10
Thanks for revealing this Trajan Mar 2016 #11
It's not penny ante for any candidate to botch this The Second Stone Mar 2016 #12
Where did Bernie talk about a husband "requiring" his spouse to go to term? panader0 Mar 2016 #16
You're a Hillary troll The Second Stone BernieforPres2016 Mar 2016 #26
I think I see where you're having a problem understanding - Mother Of Four Mar 2016 #27
Bull...complete bull noiretextatique Mar 2016 #24
Are you related to David Brock? BernieforPres2016 Mar 2016 #25
Bingo Mother Of Four Mar 2016 #28
He is simply amazing. Duval Mar 2016 #9
Proving once again Bernie is the better feminist. AtomicKitten Mar 2016 #13
Hell... He's The Better Human Being, Hands Down... WillyT Mar 2016 #20
Simple and straightforward RoccoR5955 Mar 2016 #14
That was my favorite Nite Owl Mar 2016 #23
Evening Kick !!! WillyT Mar 2016 #15
"Being a human being." panader0 Mar 2016 #17
Kick !!! WillyT Mar 2016 #18
Kick !!! WillyT Mar 2016 #19
K&R..... daleanime Mar 2016 #21
K n R!! bbgrunt Mar 2016 #22

dana_b

(11,546 posts)
2. That simple, honest answer just blows people away
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 02:23 PM
Mar 2016

it's kind of sad that that is the case.

 

The Second Stone

(2,900 posts)
7. But it is not the decision of the woman's family
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 04:03 PM
Mar 2016

and Sanders should know that. It is the decision of the woman alone, and if she doesn't like the input of her doctor, she can get another doctor.

The inclusion of family by Sanders is a huge gaffe. Democrats have spent decades fighting for the right of a woman to not have her family have the decision on whether she must carry a fetus. Dozens of federal appellate and several Supreme Court decisions fight over this "family" part.

I've my disagreements with some of Sanders' followers, but this is the biggest gaffe I've seen him make in a very well run campaign.

 

WillyT

(72,631 posts)
8. So... It's A Gaffe If Bernie Says It, But Not One When Hillary Says The Same thing ???
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 04:12 PM
Mar 2016
Clinton stated that, “under Roe v. Wade, which is rooted in the Constitution, women have the right to make this highly personal decision with their family in accordance with their doctor.”


From OP.


passiveporcupine

(8,175 posts)
10. I agree, he should not have included family in that.
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 04:18 PM
Mar 2016

But Hillary is waffling again, making it sound like she has not suggested that restraints on third term abortions are OK with her. That she has said multiple times it's OK with her. This makes it sound like she is not OK with restraints, and I know that's not her real position and I know if it came up she would back some constitutional restrictions on abortion.

She is trying to shapeshift again, and she knows the public is alarmed by her statements on abortion rights.

 

The Second Stone

(2,900 posts)
12. It's not penny ante for any candidate to botch this
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 04:37 PM
Mar 2016

It is a major legal and political issue and has been for 40 years. A husband cannot require his spouse to bring a fetus to term. Neither can parents. It is about who owns a woman's body. The answer is the woman, and no one else. Reproductive choice is a basic human right, and a woman who cannot terminate a pregnancy on her own decision is denied her human rights.

panader0

(25,816 posts)
16. Where did Bernie talk about a husband "requiring" his spouse to go to term?
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 08:32 PM
Mar 2016

To consult with family, whether for advice, or comfort, is wrong?
Of, course it is the woman's decision. Bernie said that.
He did not "botch" this issue in any way.

Mother Of Four

(1,722 posts)
27. I think I see where you're having a problem understanding -
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 11:43 AM
Mar 2016

The whole "family" thing.

Let me give you just one scenario-

Woman 28 weeks pregnant rolls her SUV, she hits her head HARD. She's unresponsive and is vacced to the nearest trauma center. She doesn't wake up. Her family is then responsible for her care, and her unborn child's care. IF she doesn't have a living will, then it's the family's responsibility to decide what happens next. Whether its stopping trauma related labor etc.

The whole decide with the family thing isn't anyone stating anywhere that her family's voice is more important than her own, not anywhere.

And frankly stating that is pretty smarmy if you already knew about family making decisions for patients unable to on their own.

noiretextatique

(27,275 posts)
24. Bull...complete bull
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 11:22 AM
Mar 2016

It was not a "gaffe." Desperately trying to turn anything he says into a controversy is tiresome. Meanwhile, Clinton's comment was telling. She has offered up a constitutional amendment to ban late-term abortions. Bernie includes the word "family."

BernieforPres2016

(3,017 posts)
25. Are you related to David Brock?
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 11:34 AM
Mar 2016

Anybody with a brain realizes that "along with her family and her doctor" means if the woman WANTS the input of her family and her doctor. Most of us realize that her family is most likely to be involved if the woman is very young, perhaps still living at home.

What Bernie is saying, as you well know, is that the ONLY people that have anything to say about it are the woman and people close to her that she CHOOSES to consult.

Mother Of Four

(1,722 posts)
28. Bingo
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 11:45 AM
Mar 2016

Upthread I put in the saddest scenario that would require family and doctor input, because I really didn't think nuance would work with them.

 

RoccoR5955

(12,471 posts)
14. Simple and straightforward
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 05:01 PM
Mar 2016

Just like his answer to the question, "Do you think fracking is safe?" (I'm paraphrasing)
Bernie, "NO!"

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