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Cal33

(7,018 posts)
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 09:25 PM Mar 2016

How is it possible for Clinton to win against Sanders when,

for the better part of a year, polls have consistently shown that when comparing Sanders or
Clinton to the Republican candidates in a hypothetical General Election, Sanders always beat
all of them every time, and by big margins; but Clinton almost always lost to all of them.
From this alone common sense and logic will bring one to the conclusion that Sanders has
a far better chance of winning the GE than Clinton.

Clinton supporters repeat the explanation that if Sanders should win the Democratic
nomination, the Republicans would slaughter him with their deluge of criticisms. I think
this is poor reasoning. Sanders knows how to answer back. When the GOP comes out with
its lies, he will openly point them out, and come out with the truth .

It is the American people who are voting, and lies or no lies, the American people like and
trust Bernie Sanders. The majority of the people know that he will do his best to pull our
country out of the moral gutter that we have been in since the past 3+ decades.

Polls have consistently shown for an adequate period of time that Bernie will beat any
Republican, and Hillary will lose. Yet the Establishment Democrats are doing their best
to bring Bernie down. We've already seen that the DNC has been very willing to play dirty
to help Clinton win, haven't we? Who knows what other tricks the DNC are playing right now?

Could it be that Establishment Democrats have gone so far to the right, that they would now
prefer to have a Republican rather than a Progressive for president? What other conclusions
can anyone else come up with?

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JI7

(89,239 posts)
1. because Clinton supporters will support Sanders if he becomes nominee
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 09:28 PM
Mar 2016

But not as many sanders supporters will support Clinton if she becomes the nominee.

 

Gwhittey

(1,377 posts)
2. Becaue
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 09:28 PM
Mar 2016

Most polls of that type are all voters. So (I)for most states don't get to pick who they can vote for are also included. And primary is all about making sure the powers to be are only ones who pick the winner.

 

Cal33

(7,018 posts)
5. I can think of another reason: The Democratic Establishment people are afraid that someone like
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 09:43 PM
Mar 2016

Bernie might create havoc for them, when he tries to bring about change and reform in the Party.
They just don't want change and reform. They'd prefer to continue in the moral morass that
they're in right now.

onehandle

(51,122 posts)
3. Hillary Clinton has earned more votes than any candidate on either side of this primary.
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 09:37 PM
Mar 2016

She's going to be nominee and our next President.

BlueMTexpat

(15,365 posts)
4. You should probably be asking this
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 09:41 PM
Mar 2016

question of the 4 million+ voters who have voted for Clinton, giving her the lead in the popular vote tallies over Trump, Cruz and Sanders in that order.

Are these 4 million+ voters and the millions who will join them really all part of a DNC CT?

Polls are predictors. Votes are the deciders.

BlueMTexpat

(15,365 posts)
7. No.
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 09:49 PM
Mar 2016

I think that voters can make up their own minds.

I may not always agree with their decisions. But it is not the DNC that is controlling them or their votes.

 

Cal33

(7,018 posts)
9. Having very few primary debates and putting them on weekends and pre-holidays
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 09:54 PM
Mar 2016

sure does help reduce the numbers of viewers. It is a form of control. Have you
already forgotten all the protests against DWS?

 

Wilms

(26,795 posts)
10. Victims of the DNC Conspiracy (not "CT")
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 09:54 PM
Mar 2016

Now let us be, ya know, pragmatic. Hillary getting piles of votes in states that won't vote for a Dem in the GE isn't suggestive of much.

On the other hand, poll after poll after poll says that Sanders wins against all possible repubs in the general by wider margins than Clinton...when she doesn't lose against them.

You see what I'm saying.

calguy

(5,290 posts)
8. How is it possible for Bernie to lose?
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 09:50 PM
Mar 2016

Because he's not getting as many votes as Hillary. Because his "revolution" relies on unreliable younger voters. In the end it will be clear that the BSer's numbers were greatly exhagerated on DU threads

 

Cal33

(7,018 posts)
15. Yes, more Democratic voters of the Republican-lite kind. It is that simple. And their existence
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 10:37 AM
Mar 2016

in the past 3+ decades have resulted in nothing but failure: Examples

1. Outsourcing of jobs to foreign countries by the millions for cheap labor,
which has increased the rate of joblessness at home.

2. Transfer of wealth from the middle-classes to the super-rich to an
extent never seen before, making the rich richer and the poor poorer.

3. Loss of both Houses of Congress to the Republicans.

4. Loss of the majority of governorships to the Republicans.

5. The Corporations have become stronger than ever, enabling them to
increase their power of bribery and corruption over both Republicans and
Third-Way Democrats.

6. Corporations are capable, now more than ever, to buy politicians who
will do as these Corporate Power people tell them to do. They are the
ones who brought about the economic collapse of 2007 and 2008 in our
nation, where millions of Americans lost their homes, pharmaceutical
companies are charging Americans many times more for their products
than they are charging for the same medicines abroad.

7. It is this moral degradation of America that Bernie Sanders will be
fighting against. He has promised to bring down the size of American
banks that have boasted of being "too big to fail." They are the ones
responsible for the housing scandals mentioned in paragraph 6 above
through dishonest use of their clients' money. I could go on and on,
but these examples will suffice to anyone to see - except for those who
choose to remain ignorant.

There are 3 main ways of responding to the corporations that are the
cause of the moral decline and decay of our nation:
a. Do nothing.
b. Join them and take part in the profits of their ill-gotten gains, and
c. Fight against corporate greed, corruption and lust for power. This
is what Bernie Sanders has chosen to do.

What are you choosing?

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