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Can Bernie Sanders recover?

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Can Bernie Sanders recover? (Original post)	FlatBaroque	Mar 2016	OP
LOL	tk2kewl	Mar 2016	#1
They're spinning it as only 1-percent today on Detroit NPR.	Octafish	Mar 2016	#2
I have never been more disappointed in NPR than during this primary.	Lizzie Poppet	Mar 2016	#4
and we pretty much pay for NPR, right?	Merryland	Mar 2016	#7
By various methods, yes (mostly).	Lizzie Poppet	Mar 2016	#10
NPR has leaned right for years	I hate liars	Mar 2016	#9
I guess I didn't see it nearly that soon.	Lizzie Poppet	Mar 2016	#22
I first noticed it back in 1992	SheilaT	Mar 2016	#28
Blind arrogance and isolation from the rest of America will be an undoing	appalachiablue	Mar 2016	#38
Yes, you got it..	DeGreg	Mar 2016	#56
Don't they have a Republican CEO?	Enthusiast	Mar 2016	#16
Not according to his Wikipedia profile, anyway.	Lizzie Poppet	Mar 2016	#21
Well, regardless, NPR has an obvious rightward bias. I guess we aren't supposed to notice, lol.	Enthusiast	Mar 2016	#26
You may be thinking of when Bush Jr. brought in a political hack to run PBS	FlatBaroque	Mar 2016	#24
Maybe so. I have not listened for a long time. But I can smell the masqueraders a mile off.	Enthusiast	Mar 2016	#41
Okay. Today I listened to several hours of NPR. They were very unfair to Bernie.	Enthusiast	Mar 2016	#62
Nice Polite Republicans. n/t	QC	Mar 2016	#20
Ouch!	Lizzie Poppet	Mar 2016	#23
Please stop contributing.	tabasco	Mar 2016	#36
That's my intent.	Lizzie Poppet	Mar 2016	#37
This is what Republicans wanted when they kept defunding NPR	senz	Mar 2016	#59
National Pentagon Radio has its priorities	FlatBaroque	Mar 2016	#11
Irritating as hell.	bvf	Mar 2016	#18
NPR's coverage is horrendous.	Svafa	Mar 2016	#34
We stopped giving to NPR years ago.	Duval	Mar 2016	#47
Recommended.	H2O Man	Mar 2016	#3
The Ma$$ Media needs to stop trying to decide our elections!	WDIM	Mar 2016	#5
Twistin"	UglyGreed	Mar 2016	#6
Nice!	Merryland	Mar 2016	#8
Someone had it	PatrynXX	Mar 2016	#12
Yeah, that was bad what she did with regards to Michigan...	Herman4747	Mar 2016	#13
The KKK is anti-Jewish. No question about that. Always has been. Always will be. n/t	mikehiggins	Mar 2016	#25
Although the KKK isn't exactly anti Jewish	AlbertCat	Mar 2016	#43
omg, that was a LOL for REAL!	closeupready	Mar 2016	#14
Or is this simply postponing the inevitable?	Buzz Clik	Mar 2016	#15
Or is this simply the beginning of the end for your candidate?	Cassiopeia	Mar 2016	#29
time will tell.	Buzz Clik	Mar 2016	#31
Hard to say at this point.	Lizzie Poppet	Mar 2016	#39
Or is this simply postponing the inevitable?	AlbertCat	Mar 2016	#44
She'll earn whatever she gets -- win or lose, it will be earned.	Buzz Clik	Mar 2016	#46
She'll earn whatever she gets	AlbertCat	Mar 2016	#48
Just like her speaking fees.	Buzz Clik	Mar 2016	#50
Ouch ...	salinsky	Mar 2016	#52
Except for the few million dollars donated to his campaign	padfun	Mar 2016	#53
How'd that big win you predicted feel, Buzz Clik?	Scootaloo	Mar 2016	#57
LOL	47of74	Mar 2016	#17
ROFL! n/t	bvf	Mar 2016	#19
Have to admit, he looked FLOORED like he had come to believe his own lies	tomm2thumbs	Mar 2016	#27
Nice. Looked like they had studied for the wrong test.	SheilaT	Mar 2016	#30
More like: looked like they had cheated for the wrong test.	JimDandy	Mar 2016	#35
OMG LOL	tomm2thumbs	Mar 2016	#45
Saw that one on Facebook.	malthaussen	Mar 2016	#32
If you saw it on Facebook and I got it from Twitter, it already has gone viral	FlatBaroque	Mar 2016	#33
memes	robcotton	Mar 2016	#66
Good job	FlatBaroque	Mar 2016	#67
All Useless Until After Philly	corbettkroehler	Mar 2016	#40
That is unfortunate, I have been liking Van Jones (more than the others, at least) /	FlatBaroque	Mar 2016	#42
on anderson cooper 360, van	hopemountain	Mar 2016	#64
I was watching and that's not what I took away from it	Oilwellian	Mar 2016	#61
Bernie has a sad...	blackspade	Mar 2016	#49
I thought this meant...	Mike Nelson	Mar 2016	#51
.	merrily	Mar 2016	#54
I clicked on your thread in a huff and am now smiling	lunatica	Mar 2016	#55
I'll check the scientific, highly accurate,reality based, polls to answer that. Oh, wait....	Tierra_y_Libertad	Mar 2016	#58
Hillary came in 2nd, Bernie was next to last! - eom	dreamnightwind	Mar 2016	#60
Perfect. k/r	AtomicKitten	Mar 2016	#63
LOL - too perfect.	myrna minx	Mar 2016	#65

Response to FlatBaroque (Original post)

Wed Mar 9, 2016, 10:40 AM

tk2kewl (18,133 posts)

1. LOL

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Response to FlatBaroque (Original post)

Wed Mar 9, 2016, 10:42 AM

Octafish (55,745 posts)

2. They're spinning it as only 1-percent today on Detroit NPR.

Not that the guy came up from 30-points back.

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Response to Octafish (Reply #2)

Wed Mar 9, 2016, 10:45 AM

Lizzie Poppet (10,164 posts)

4. I have never been more disappointed in NPR than during this primary.

And I'm a long-standing contributor...

I don't listen as much as I used to because I don't commute by car, and the only radio I own is there (yeah, I know...internet radio). But I've always expected NPR to be the least biased major(ish) news source. That confidence eroded in 2008, and is pretty much shattered now.

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Response to Lizzie Poppet (Reply #4)

Wed Mar 9, 2016, 10:53 AM

Merryland (1,134 posts)

7. and we pretty much pay for NPR, right?

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Response to Merryland (Reply #7)

Wed Mar 9, 2016, 11:01 AM

Lizzie Poppet (10,164 posts)

10. By various methods, yes (mostly).

There's also corporate underwriting, but the majority of NPR funding comes from pledge drives, personal contributions, government funding (thus also us), etc. Seriously reconsidering my modestly generous pledge...

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Response to Lizzie Poppet (Reply #4)

Wed Mar 9, 2016, 10:58 AM

I hate liars (165 posts)

9. NPR has leaned right for years

Just like network and cable news channels, they feature members of AEI, CEI, Heritage, Cato, et al whenever they need "unbiased" third party commentary. And when they're not slanting the news, NPR sticks with safe "public interest" stories.

I was a faithful listener of NPR many years ago, but beginning in the 80s, it's taken a long march to the right.

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Response to I hate liars (Reply #9)

Wed Mar 9, 2016, 11:27 AM

Lizzie Poppet (10,164 posts)

22. I guess I didn't see it nearly that soon.

Embarrassing...

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Response to I hate liars (Reply #9)

Wed Mar 9, 2016, 11:41 AM

SheilaT (23,156 posts)

28. I first noticed it back in 1992

when various NPR commentators, most specifically Cokie Roberts, assured us over and over again that Bill Clinton had zero chance of winning the nomination, or the Presidency. I began to understand the entire "Inside the Beltway" mentality, although I'd noticed that during the 1970's when I actually lived in the DC area. That mindset has only strengthened in the decades since, and they are all like people who don't believe anyone else is entirely real.

Well, we are real, and we actually are an amazing and diverse bunch in this country.

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Response to SheilaT (Reply #28)

Wed Mar 9, 2016, 12:18 PM

appalachiablue (38,381 posts)

38. Blind arrogance and isolation from the rest of America will be an undoing

for some unless real reforms are enacted, as history shows. The 90s are over, the memo didn't reach some yet apparently.

'Apres moi, le deluge' (after me, the flood), King Louis XV of France (1715-1774)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_XV_of_France

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Response to I hate liars (Reply #9)

Wed Mar 9, 2016, 01:43 PM

DeGreg (72 posts)

56. Yes, you got it..

You can easily detect the bias towards the status quo and The Establishment mindset. Even when they try to give Bernie "equal time" (remember that) they seem to always frame the question with Hillary in mind, and the "experts" always seem to do the same.

NPR is like Radio Free America aimed at US Citizens-- telling us what to think.
I mean they report on war, war, war, like they're covering a sport and they they're a bunch of homers.

Anyway, it's disheartening sometimes to think that a lot of people hear what they say as the unvarnished truth, when it's just propaganda for the powers that be.

p.s. Looking in the concept of "examination of dissent" and you'll see how deep a mind fuck propaganda can be. And, watch "The Century of The Self" BBC (?) series of docs by Adam Curtis (search youtube) -- and OMG, just Wow.

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Response to Lizzie Poppet (Reply #4)

Wed Mar 9, 2016, 11:18 AM

Enthusiast (50,983 posts)

16. Don't they have a Republican CEO?

I have been boycotting NPR since before 2008. They are reliably biased. False and misleading information is seldom if ever challenged.

In 2008 I was fishing and listening to NPR. A propaganda piece came on. I was shocked by the nature of the narrative. I was even more shocked when the host said absolutely nothing to refute such an obvious blatant lie.

I refuse to listen to an American Pravda.

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Response to Enthusiast (Reply #16)

Wed Mar 9, 2016, 11:24 AM

Lizzie Poppet (10,164 posts)

21. Not according to his Wikipedia profile, anyway.

Mohn has contributed to the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee, Gephardt for President, Gore 2000, John Kerry for President, McCain 2000, Obama Victory Fund 2012, and the Progressive Patriots Fund[1]

The only glitch there is McCain 2000, but after W got the nomination, apparently he flipped to Gore. That was right at the peak of McCain's "maverick" period, when he was actually advocating some sensible election reforms, and so forth. Unfucking elections being a huge, huge issue, I can understand Mohn's position.

Overall, I'd have to consider Mohn a liberal, albeit more in the Hillary mold than the Sanders mold.

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Response to Lizzie Poppet (Reply #21)

Wed Mar 9, 2016, 11:34 AM

Enthusiast (50,983 posts)

26. Well, regardless, NPR has an obvious rightward bias. I guess we aren't supposed to notice, lol.

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Response to Enthusiast (Reply #16)

Wed Mar 9, 2016, 11:32 AM

FlatBaroque (3,160 posts)

24. You may be thinking of when Bush Jr. brought in a political hack to run PBS

Tomlinson was his name IIRC

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Response to FlatBaroque (Reply #24)

Wed Mar 9, 2016, 12:22 PM

Enthusiast (50,983 posts)

41. Maybe so. I have not listened for a long time. But I can smell the masqueraders a mile off.

I'll give 'em a listen and find out.

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Response to FlatBaroque (Reply #24)

Wed Mar 9, 2016, 03:40 PM

Enthusiast (50,983 posts)

62. Okay. Today I listened to several hours of NPR. They were very unfair to Bernie.

I will continue my boycott.

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Response to Lizzie Poppet (Reply #4)

Wed Mar 9, 2016, 11:22 AM

QC (26,371 posts)

20. Nice Polite Republicans. n/t

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Response to QC (Reply #20)

Wed Mar 9, 2016, 11:27 AM

Lizzie Poppet (10,164 posts)

23. Ouch!

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Response to Lizzie Poppet (Reply #4)

Wed Mar 9, 2016, 12:08 PM

tabasco (22,974 posts)

36. Please stop contributing.

NPR is part of the problem.

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Response to tabasco (Reply #36)

Wed Mar 9, 2016, 12:15 PM

Lizzie Poppet (10,164 posts)

37. That's my intent.

I've been a contributing listener for years, and it will be a bit odd not to have an OPB (Oregon Public Broadcasting) sticker on my car. But I'm done...I'm not renewing my pledge. Back to nothing but obscure goth/industrial and J-metal band (and one Luna Lovegood) stickers, I guess...

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Response to Lizzie Poppet (Reply #4)

Wed Mar 9, 2016, 01:50 PM

senz (11,945 posts)

59. This is what Republicans wanted when they kept defunding NPR

They handed it to the 1% who now own it -- with a little help from people (like me) who still contribute.

My problem is, I love my local affiliate but hate national for their blatant pro-Hillary stance.

I'm going to suspend my monthly donations until they begin broadcasting fairly again.

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Response to Octafish (Reply #2)

Wed Mar 9, 2016, 11:06 AM

FlatBaroque (3,160 posts)

11. National Pentagon Radio has its priorities

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Response to Octafish (Reply #2)

Wed Mar 9, 2016, 11:21 AM

bvf (6,604 posts)

18. Irritating as hell.

If I hear the words "narrow win" one more fucking time, I swear I'm going to call them and ask who I talk to about getting a refund on years of donations.

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Response to Octafish (Reply #2)

Wed Mar 9, 2016, 11:57 AM

Svafa (594 posts)

34. NPR's coverage is horrendous.

I like my local affiliate fine, but NPR as a whole....

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Response to Octafish (Reply #2)

Wed Mar 9, 2016, 12:39 PM

Duval (4,280 posts)

47. We stopped giving to NPR years ago.

I used to rely on them for honesty and was dismayed when they began their slant to the right.

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Response to FlatBaroque (Original post)

Wed Mar 9, 2016, 10:43 AM

H2O Man (70,976 posts)

3. Recommended.

Hilarious. But sadly accurate.

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Response to FlatBaroque (Original post)

Wed Mar 9, 2016, 10:47 AM

WDIM (1,662 posts)

5. The Ma$$ Media needs to stop trying to decide our elections!

Its over when the last vote is counted at the convention until then the media just needs to stick to the facts and end the Spin!

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Response to FlatBaroque (Original post)

Wed Mar 9, 2016, 10:48 AM

UglyGreed (7,661 posts)

6. Twistin"

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Response to UglyGreed (Reply #6)

Wed Mar 9, 2016, 10:53 AM

Merryland (1,134 posts)

8. Nice!

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Response to FlatBaroque (Original post)

Wed Mar 9, 2016, 11:07 AM

PatrynXX (5,668 posts)

12. Someone had it

on CNN as she's winning it the same way Obama did. Huh? actually she stole Michigan outright in 2008 other than that, everyone wins differently this is setting up to be a north vs the south thing. Although the KKK isn't exactly anti Jewish at least I thought maybe it is I don't know..

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Response to PatrynXX (Reply #12)

Wed Mar 9, 2016, 11:12 AM

Herman4747 (1,825 posts)

13. Yeah, that was bad what she did with regards to Michigan...

...in 2008. Barack Obama was honorable, Hillary was atrocious.

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Response to PatrynXX (Reply #12)

Wed Mar 9, 2016, 11:32 AM

mikehiggins (5,614 posts)

25. The KKK is anti-Jewish. No question about that. Always has been. Always will be. n/t

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Response to PatrynXX (Reply #12)

Wed Mar 9, 2016, 12:33 PM

AlbertCat (17,505 posts)

43. Although the KKK isn't exactly anti Jewish

Yes it is.

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Response to FlatBaroque (Original post)

Wed Mar 9, 2016, 11:14 AM

closeupready (29,503 posts)

14. omg, that was a LOL for REAL!

K&R

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Response to FlatBaroque (Original post)

Wed Mar 9, 2016, 11:17 AM

Buzz Clik (38,437 posts)

15. Or is this simply postponing the inevitable?

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Response to Buzz Clik (Reply #15)

Wed Mar 9, 2016, 11:42 AM

Cassiopeia (2,603 posts)

29. Or is this simply the beginning of the end for your candidate?

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Response to Cassiopeia (Reply #29)

Wed Mar 9, 2016, 11:48 AM

Buzz Clik (38,437 posts)

31. time will tell.

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Response to Buzz Clik (Reply #15)

Wed Mar 9, 2016, 12:19 PM

Lizzie Poppet (10,164 posts)

39. Hard to say at this point.

Hillary's no longer "inevitable" (never was...), but remains the front runner, and by a not-insignificant margin. This is likely to go down to the wire.

Of course, even if it's by a single pledged delegate, the superdelegates had better flip to the popular choice. If they don't, the party dies right then and there (for all that the death throes will be long and painful).

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Response to Buzz Clik (Reply #15)

Wed Mar 9, 2016, 12:34 PM

AlbertCat (17,505 posts)

44. Or is this simply postponing the inevitable?

Sorry.... it's not her turn!

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Response to AlbertCat (Reply #44)

Wed Mar 9, 2016, 12:38 PM

Buzz Clik (38,437 posts)

46. She'll earn whatever she gets -- win or lose, it will be earned.

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Response to Buzz Clik (Reply #46)

Wed Mar 9, 2016, 12:41 PM

AlbertCat (17,505 posts)

48. She'll earn whatever she gets

Like her speaking fees?

She hasn't earned what she's got already. The nepotism and insider shenanigans are already blinding.

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Response to AlbertCat (Reply #48)

Wed Mar 9, 2016, 12:44 PM

Buzz Clik (38,437 posts)

50. Just like her speaking fees.

If Sanders could get paid for speaking, he would.

Unfortunately, the people who want to hear him speak aren't willing to pay for anything.

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Response to Buzz Clik (Reply #50)

Wed Mar 9, 2016, 12:48 PM

salinsky (1,065 posts)

52. Ouch ...

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Response to Buzz Clik (Reply #50)

Wed Mar 9, 2016, 01:19 PM

padfun (1,646 posts)

53. Except for the few million dollars donated to his campaign

every few weeks, or every time he is attacked. So yes, we are willing to pay to hear him.

In fact, every time Hillary speaks more evil, I donate more to the Sanders campaign. And I still have another grand and a half to go until I max out.

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Response to Buzz Clik (Reply #15)

Wed Mar 9, 2016, 01:44 PM

Scootaloo (25,699 posts)

57. How'd that big win you predicted feel, Buzz Clik?

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Response to FlatBaroque (Original post)

Wed Mar 9, 2016, 11:19 AM

47of74 (18,470 posts)

17. LOL

This is the same media that craps on the President every chance they get.

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Response to FlatBaroque (Original post)

Wed Mar 9, 2016, 11:22 AM

bvf (6,604 posts)

19. ROFL! n/t

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Response to FlatBaroque (Original post)

Wed Mar 9, 2016, 11:40 AM

tomm2thumbs (13,297 posts)

27. Have to admit, he looked FLOORED like he had come to believe his own lies

Last night, the entire panel looked like they had studied for the wrong test

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Response to tomm2thumbs (Reply #27)

Wed Mar 9, 2016, 11:43 AM

SheilaT (23,156 posts)

30. Nice. Looked like they had studied for the wrong test.

I need to remember that.

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Response to tomm2thumbs (Reply #27)

Wed Mar 9, 2016, 12:04 PM

JimDandy (7,318 posts)

35. More like: looked like they had cheated for the wrong test.

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Response to JimDandy (Reply #35)

Wed Mar 9, 2016, 12:36 PM

tomm2thumbs (13,297 posts)

45. OMG LOL

you are SO right!!!!

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Response to FlatBaroque (Original post)

Wed Mar 9, 2016, 11:48 AM

malthaussen (15,892 posts)

32. Saw that one on Facebook.

Hope it goes viral.

-- Mal

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Response to malthaussen (Reply #32)

Wed Mar 9, 2016, 11:56 AM

FlatBaroque (3,160 posts)

33. If you saw it on Facebook and I got it from Twitter, it already has gone viral

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Response to FlatBaroque (Reply #33)

Fri Mar 11, 2016, 05:35 PM

robcotton (1 post)

66. memes

yes, it def. did go viral. i posted it and the next morning the other 98% had posted it and i had like 100 facebook messages telling me my meme was wviral lol. check my profile for my other memes. thanks for posting it.

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Response to robcotton (Reply #66)

Fri Mar 11, 2016, 05:46 PM

FlatBaroque (3,160 posts)

67. Good job

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Response to FlatBaroque (Original post)

Wed Mar 9, 2016, 12:22 PM

corbettkroehler (1,898 posts)

40. All Useless Until After Philly

I tried CNN and MSNBC last night after Michigan was called and the tilt remained. Van Jones, whom I respect right down to my core, was positively giddy when describing how Hillary won Mississippi in a blow-out.

I've had to build my own filters for all of the spin.

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Response to corbettkroehler (Reply #40)

Wed Mar 9, 2016, 12:31 PM

FlatBaroque (3,160 posts)

42. That is unfortunate, I have been liking Van Jones (more than the others, at least) /

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Response to FlatBaroque (Reply #42)

Thu Mar 10, 2016, 05:31 AM

hopemountain (3,919 posts)

64. on anderson cooper 360, van

repeated the bs about the minutemen charge from hillary saying that bernie will never be able to recover from this charge with latino voters in light of his vote against the immigraton bill in '07.

curiously, dolores huerta also brought up how bernie had voted against the immigration bill in '07.

yet neither bothered to clarify why bernie voted against the '07 bill but did vote in favor of the '08 bill.

two minority icons - now lying for hillary.

it seems they all (including all of the msm) get their morning scripts and orders for talking points for the day from hillary's campaign - and they all fall into line spouting lies.

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Response to corbettkroehler (Reply #40)

Wed Mar 9, 2016, 03:37 PM

Oilwellian (12,647 posts)

61. I was watching and that's not what I took away from it

My impression was he was being facetious about Hillary winning Mississippi. My impression was he was happy about Bernie winning Michigan. I don't usually watch American Pravda so don't know what he usually says, but my impression last night was he's not a big fan of Hillary and he was pleased to see Bernie do so well.

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Response to FlatBaroque (Original post)

Wed Mar 9, 2016, 12:43 PM

blackspade (10,056 posts)

49. Bernie has a sad...

NOT!

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Response to FlatBaroque (Original post)

Wed Mar 9, 2016, 12:47 PM

Mike Nelson (9,366 posts)

51. I thought this meant...

...in the delegate count. Yes, if Bernie increases his margins of victory.

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Response to FlatBaroque (Original post)

Wed Mar 9, 2016, 01:35 PM

merrily (45,251 posts)

54. .

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1451387

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Response to FlatBaroque (Original post)

Wed Mar 9, 2016, 01:38 PM

lunatica (53,410 posts)

55. I clicked on your thread in a huff and am now smiling

But for a tiny fraction of a second I thought Wolf had actually said that. It's not like anyone is stretching the truth a whole hell of a lot in that graphic!