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Coincidence

(98 posts)
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 05:51 PM Mar 2016

That Bernie is still a contender despite his significant disadvantages speaks volumes about Hillary.

Hillary has enjoyed perhaps the most undemocratically advantaged primary campaign we've ever seen. The benefactors of the status quo have stacked the deck against Bernie in every way possible, yet despite even sabotage from his own party he is still standing and fighting.

This has exposed how weak Hillary "Electable" Clinton actually is, on a level playing field she wouldn't stand a chance. Imagine if Bernie had the same support that Hillary enjoys from "the establishment", i.e. the media, the DNC, his Democratic peers at all levels of government, the donor class, etc. We would be done talking primaries, the only Democratic debating going on would be Bernie and Jane deciding on a color for the oval office window curtains.

Despite her current lead and whether or not she ultimately "wins" the nomination, Clinton supporters can't feel good about this at all.

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That Bernie is still a contender despite his significant disadvantages speaks volumes about Hillary. (Original Post) Coincidence Mar 2016 OP
That extensive list of speeches at 100,000+ should be enough ladjf Mar 2016 #1
I almost feel sorry for her. (Almost.) SusanCalvin Mar 2016 #4
yup, her campaign's a towering grease fire that relies on lies and MisterP Mar 2016 #2
She's really racking up wins in red states among low information voters NightWatcher Mar 2016 #3
Her supporters think the answer is to insult everyone who isn't on her side. Warren DeMontague Mar 2016 #5
That and low turnout mean the general election is going to be very bad. BillZBubb Mar 2016 #6
In fairness, a lot of those "negatives" are the result of Republican smear campaigns democrattotheend Mar 2016 #12
That's entirely true, but they have STUCK. BillZBubb Mar 2016 #16
You don't think they will do the same to Bernie if he is the nominee? democrattotheend Mar 2016 #18
That's totally different. BillZBubb Mar 2016 #20
She's not a politician.. speaktruthtopower Mar 2016 #7
The saddest thing is... Ino Mar 2016 #8
She already thinks she deserves it. [nt] Coincidence Mar 2016 #10
Indeed seekthetruth Mar 2016 #9
Exactly so. Yup. (nt) Ino Mar 2016 #13
It also speaks volumes about Bernie democrattotheend Mar 2016 #11
Maybe better worded as Clinton supporters "should be worried" rather than "can't feel good" [nt] Coincidence Mar 2016 #14
'his significant disadvantages'? Like what? TheProgressive Mar 2016 #15
The problem is that the honest Clinton supporters sadoldgirl Mar 2016 #17
You don't speak for all Bernie supporters democrattotheend Mar 2016 #21
I doubt they care about feeling good about it, to support her requires rationalizations on steroids. Jefferson23 Mar 2016 #19
Disagree. I don't think Sen. Sander OR Mrs. Clinton have "significant disadvantages" Sunlei Mar 2016 #22

SusanCalvin

(6,592 posts)
4. I almost feel sorry for her. (Almost.)
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 06:20 PM
Mar 2016

I'm sure she never in a million years thought those speeches would be such a big deal. Times have changed.

MisterP

(23,730 posts)
2. yup, her campaign's a towering grease fire that relies on lies and
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 06:11 PM
Mar 2016

on voters being kept not knowing anything about her

NightWatcher

(39,376 posts)
3. She's really racking up wins in red states among low information voters
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 06:15 PM
Mar 2016

It doesn't bode well for the General, if she wins the nomination.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
5. Her supporters think the answer is to insult everyone who isn't on her side.
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 06:32 PM
Mar 2016

It's telling that they'd do just about anything EXCEPT consider that she could improve her campaign.

BillZBubb

(10,650 posts)
6. That and low turnout mean the general election is going to be very bad.
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 06:37 PM
Mar 2016

She's just not a strong enough candidate to overcome the many negatives in her history. With her high name recognition among Democrats and her many advantages, she should be mopping the floor with Bernie, but that is only happening in the red states. All those red state wins won't get her a single electoral vote.

If she wins the nomination, the GE is going to be tough to win.

democrattotheend

(12,011 posts)
12. In fairness, a lot of those "negatives" are the result of Republican smear campaigns
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 06:53 PM
Mar 2016

and sexist bullshit. Many of the criticisms of her are fair but a lot of the "baggage" she brings and the negative opinions of her are based on 25 years of Republican lies.

BillZBubb

(10,650 posts)
16. That's entirely true, but they have STUCK.
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 08:41 PM
Mar 2016

That's the problem. She cannot change the minds of independents about her character in a presidential campaign. There just isn't enough time or advertising money for her to reverse that deeply held impression.

It is what it is. She brings that baggage with her--true or not.

The republicans will come out to vote against her. The left will not be motivated to vote for her. Independents predominantly have a negative opinion of her and won't be motivated to vote for her. That's a lot of votes lost.

democrattotheend

(12,011 posts)
18. You don't think they will do the same to Bernie if he is the nominee?
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 08:51 PM
Mar 2016

Just like they did to Obama once he became the nominee in 2008?

BillZBubb

(10,650 posts)
20. That's totally different.
Thu Mar 10, 2016, 09:54 AM
Mar 2016

The repubs will try to destroy Sanders image, much like they tried against Obama. It didn't work then because they had no real ammunition. The same is true for Bernie. Don't forget, Obama won.

The socialist smear will only work with those already on the republican side of the tally. That's really all they've got to use.

Hillary is in a much worse position because the potential voters already have serious doubts about her integrity. The republicans don't have to make the case, they simply have to remind voters.

speaktruthtopower

(800 posts)
7. She's not a politician..
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 06:40 PM
Mar 2016

but might actually do well as President when the cameras aren't rolling as she's used to the drill, a quick study and seemingly energetic for her age.

With some of these politicians, you have to wonder what they're good for other than practicing speaking before mirrors.

Ino

(3,366 posts)
8. The saddest thing is...
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 06:46 PM
Mar 2016

that Clinton herself does NOT feel bad about it. Should she clinch the nomination, she will be just as proud & happy as if her win was clean. She will feel she deserved it, that the means were justified, and she has been vindicated.

 

seekthetruth

(504 posts)
9. Indeed
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 06:47 PM
Mar 2016

And I think that if she does get the nomination, we'll all have to utter the words "President TRUMP".

Sorry but my conscience just can't allow me to vote for her, even if it does mean giving the reins to Drumpf. This country wont fall off of the face of the earth if he does make it into office.....it'll just mean that Warren or any other Dem will make it into the WH in 2020 after he pisses off enough people. And the way we've all been expected by the DNC to fall in line behind Her Majesty doesnt sit well. Mind you, if it was Warren then I'd probably be behind her (I detest the term BernieBro.....i'ts rather dumb.)

Who else feels that way?

democrattotheend

(12,011 posts)
11. It also speaks volumes about Bernie
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 06:52 PM
Mar 2016

I agree with everything you said (except the part about Clinton supporters shouldn't feel good), and the fact that she is having this much trouble wrapping up the nomination despite all the advantages she has is a concern regarding her electability if she gets the nomination. It should not be this close.

That said, I also think it speaks volumes about Bernie and what a great job he has done in his career and as a candidate of staying true to his beliefs. My decision to support him was based on my admiration for him, not disdain for Hillary.

sadoldgirl

(3,431 posts)
17. The problem is that the honest Clinton supporters
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 08:50 PM
Mar 2016

believe that Bernie's support of her after her
nomination will bring his troops to her, and
that I believe to be a total misconception.

They want HIS policies, not hers.

democrattotheend

(12,011 posts)
21. You don't speak for all Bernie supporters
Thu Mar 10, 2016, 05:45 PM
Mar 2016

Yes, I prefer Bernie's policies over Hillary's, but I strongly prefer Hillary's policies over Trump's or Cruz's. I plan to support Hillary in the general if she is the nominee whether or not Bernie asks us to. Most Democrats I know who support Sanders feel the same way.

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
19. I doubt they care about feeling good about it, to support her requires rationalizations on steroids.
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 08:56 PM
Mar 2016

WS transcripts are irrelevant, her foreign policy record..no biggie.
Trade agreements, her husbands fault. lol

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
22. Disagree. I don't think Sen. Sander OR Mrs. Clinton have "significant disadvantages"
Thu Mar 10, 2016, 05:49 PM
Mar 2016

I want them to team-up and crush the pitiful republican party. Unify the D party.

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