NYT TO HRC: STOP LYING ABOUT SANDERS.

[Smarmie Doofus]

Or you're going to keep losing. If I were Clinton... or a Clinton supporter.... I would pay VERY CLOSE attention.

"A Lesson for Mrs. Clinton in Michigan" --- Lead Editorial in today's NYT.

>>>>On the Democratic side, Hillary Clinton’s surprising loss in Michigan is still being analyzed, but it holds some lessons about how to approach future contests.

Mrs. Clinton’s candidacy speaks eloquently of embracing the people, values and thinking that make this nation a leader in the world. But her campaign tactics, particularly in Michigan, did not live up to this vision.

Even with a double-digit lead before the primary, she failed to avoid the type of negative tactics that could damage her in the long haul. A new Washington Post-ABC poll says that nationally, Mrs. Clinton’s margin over Bernie Sanders has shrunk: she polls at 49 percent compared with 42 percent for Mr. Sanders; in January her lead was more than double that. If she hopes to unify Democrats as the nominee, trying to tarnish Mr. Sanders as she did in Michigan this week is not the way to go.

Mrs. Clinton’s falsely parsing Mr. Sanders’s Senate vote on a 2008 recession-related bailout bill as abandoning the auto industry rescue hurt her credibility. As soon as she uttered it in Sunday’s debate, the Democratic strategist David Axelrod registered his dismay, tweeting that the Senate vote wasn’t explicitly a vote about saving the auto industry. Even as reporters challenged her claim, she doubled down in ads across the state. As The Washington Post noted, “it seems like she’s willing to take the gamble that fact-checkers may call her out for her tactic Sunday — but that voters won’t.”


Though Mrs. Clinton spent more time in Genesee County, home to Flint, than Mr. Sanders, she only won narrowly there. Mr. Sanders’s full-throated call for top-to-bottom government accountability for Flint’s drinking-water catastrophe contrasted with Mrs. Clinton’s tepid remarks about the need for a housecleaning at the Obama administration’s Environmental Protection Agency.


Mr. Sanders’s opposition to free-trade agreements resonated in Michigan, and are likely to help him in Ohio, Missouri and Illinois next week. He has consistently pointed out Mrs. Clinton’s past support for trade pacts, starting with Nafta when her husband was in the White House, and her shifting positions ever since. Mrs. Clinton is now opposed to the Trans-Pacific Partnership, which she promoted as secretary of state. If she hopes to convince skeptical rust-belt voters that she’s in their corner, she needs to explain why she once believed that trade pacts would help American workers.

The Clinton machine should stop trying to tie Mr. Sanders to the National Rifle Association. Though Mr. Sanders has a D-minus from the N.R.A., in Michigan Mrs. Clinton’s operatives took to >>>>
the rest: http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/10/opinion/a-lesson-in-hillary-clintons-loss-in-michigan.html?_r=0

[peacebird]

1. Impossible for her, lying and the artful smear are her main weapons.

[Plucketeer]

28. Indeed!

I think we've seen all the weapons in her arsenal. There's no "secret" weapon that might catch us off guard. Smears and lies are all she's got. She and her has-been hubby haven't got an OUNCE of integrity between the two of them. And the longer that fact has to come to light, the more it drags her down. Delegates - smellegates - she needs to step aside and let Bernie focus on shredding what's left of the Right.

[Baobab]

91. Its not just HRC, we're headed towards a merging of both parties and most of the media help too

Habitual lying by innumerable entities who want to preserve an unfair advantage is becoming worse at an exponential rate. Suppressing important facts leads to a need to hide the fact that you did that by more and more lying. The infrastructure and people used to keep it all out of the public eye corrupts and causes still more lying.

If you look at the Stasi museum in East berlin, they show how literally one in three East Germans was turned into a Stasi informant, usually by blackmail.

You can find the training videos they used for agents on the video sites. Translated into English.

[CoffeeCat]

44. And she's got a hive of "digital media strategists" who help her catapult the propaganda

It's a well-oiled machine it is.

She's a snake. It's impossible for HRC to run a clean campaign. That should tell you a lot about how she would run a government.

She is not an honest person. 70 percent of the country thinks she's dishonest. And she stands up there on that debate podium in Florida and has some pity party for herself--because she is sooooo misunderstood.

No, we understand you very well Hillary.

[PassingFair]

112. Her superfans are attacking on Facebook with outrageous smears.

Linking to articles from propaganda sites that are outright calling Bernie a communist.
I'm ready to block some people. They know they are "losing on Facebook" and are mounting desperate attacks!

[davidpdx]

121. Can you send me several links in a PM please

There is a reason why, but I can't say it here.

[72DejaVu]

128. How many delegates does Facebook get?

[GoneFishin]

45. She can't stop. It's too deeply ingrained. nt

[840high]

56. You are right.

[Jarqui]

72. She's oblivious to it but one thing will stop her during the campaign

Just as she is a weather vane when it comes to policy, she'll stop lying when her handlers tell her it's costing her votes.

Everything she's done is to win votes. Lying, deceptions, dirty tricks, David Brock, etc have always been on the table as options for her that she has used many times over.

Since the media wasn't calling her on her lies, she kind of said "hey, if they're letting me get away with it, why not?"

Looks like that party is over for the moment. She went so far, not even the media who is in her corporate pocket could collectively ignore it when folks like Axelrod or Michael Moore are calling her out on it in social media.

She will not entirely stop it. She never has. She'll reign it in until the heat dies down and go for other slippery tactics in the interim.

You'd think the Clintons would have learned by now how badly lying about stuff goes for them. I guess it's like the saying: you can't teach an older dog new tricks.

[madokie]

105. What else does she have?

Seriously what does Hillary have to run on? I fail to see anything that would indicate that she has a snowballs chance in hell of being President of these United States of America. She's not picking up any new voters and there is no way she has enough to win shit. Bernie on the other hand is picking up new converts by the day. I personally know several republiCONs who wouldn't vote for Hillary on a bet but who plan to vote for Bernie in the general. They know the 'CONs don't have anyone worthy of their vote plus they like what Senator Sanders is saying. They really like the fact he's is not a johnny come lately on any issue. He's been fighting the same battles as long as he's been an adult. People like that

I mean what does Hillary have to offer us??? More of the same is all I see.

[casperthegm]

2. It's all she has

Loved the one about the Koch brothers, trying to tie them to Sanders. And the double down on the auto bailout lie. So predictable. She must really believe we are that stupid to believe this stuff. That might be what bothers me the most- that she really thinks we are stupid and uninformed. And yet we should be expected to support her "for the good of the party" if she gets the nomination?

[Dustlawyer]

7. She thinks that is voters are ALL STUPID!!!

[Hatchling]

113. Or forgets that we have access to the internet.

Information on the internet never goes away.

[LettuceSea]

132. She would be a great candidate if the internet weren't around

Ohhhh that pesky internet!

[LiberalLovinLug]

120. Well it does work

But only for the truly stupid and/or willfully ignorant. Like Fox News affectionados , and the GOP talking heads they have on to spew their talking (lying) points. The execs at Fox News know that if they repeat a lie often enough, it doesn't matter that other voices that their viewers never even pay attention to, like Media Matters, are daily revealing the lies, and have proof.

Hillary is using the same tactics hoping to find enough of the willfully ignorant, and blind loyalists to simply take her at her word on everything, critics be damned. Only one problem: by and large Democrats are not stupid, they know how to use the internet.

[MisterP]

82. "she must think we're stupid: she counts on you being too embarrassed to switch"

will definitely poll higher than "Sanders can win better since he treats the issues like issues rather than disposable campaign points"

her lies also irritated Michiganders, goading indeps against her

[marew]

3. But, but...

This is all she knows what to do!

[FreakinDJ]

4. Hillary was exposed for the Corp Shill she is

America will never look at her the same again

[Ferd Berfel]

94. Oh Man - But it's her turn

[TransitJohn]

5. Why is tbe NYT so sexist?!?!?!?!

[jham123]

50. I see what you did there

[John Poet]

87. Why are we posting links from right-wing sources

like the New York Times?!

[Wibly]

106. I don't understand

Are we all supposed to fall in line, ignore dissent, all think the same way or something. What's wrong with listening to what the other side has to say? Just because you hear it doesn't mean you'll believe it.
One of the big problems in America today is the complete inability and unwillingness for people on both sides of the aisle to hear anything the other has to say. If that's the sort of America you want, then you may as well settle for a dictatorship or totalitariansim.
The NYT, left right or center, is one of the biggest papers in the country, and the opinions of its editorial board are shared by a large percentile of the people. Of course they should be posted and acknowledged.
To me, one of the great things about Sanders is his willingness to listen to all sides of the debate, unlike any of the GOPers or most of the Clinton crew.

[Skwmom]

6. Why? They haven't. n/t

[Smarmie Doofus]

16. Ouch.

Good one.

But "ouch!"

[Skwmom]

29. They have a modicum of journalistic integrity, if that.

[Roland99]

32. Zing!

[elljay]

39. Think about what it took

to get them to write this editorial! They have been leaning towards Hillary the entire way but she has managed to offend even them with her smears.

[Skwmom]

49. Oh please. More likely they are trying to do damage control but alas that genie is already out of

the bottle. Plus, what will they do if Bernie supporters refuse to listen to their appeals in the general election. It's hard to manipulate when people tune you out.

[jham123]

55. When the NYT....

.....changes course mid-primaries, you know something is afoot. Something Yoooj is afoot. Not that you did, but Poopooing this article isn't advised

[Skwmom]

67. My takeaway - make up some "believable" lies about why you supported the TPP and then didn't.

Plus, some other stuff which I will reserve comment on. The one stance she has taken isn't going to fly so well in the general election (especially not in this environment).

[jham123]

73. "Not in this environment"

As Social media continues to grab the Narrative and give it back to the voter, you are correct.

She may slide by the Dem-Primaries by a narrow margin, but in the GE, all this is going to explode in her face. Cruz and Trump are watching. Trump has enough money to pay people to read all we post here and take diligent notes. Hi Donald!! I see you!!

[dchill]

54. They want to corner the market.

But WaPo won't let them.

[Skwmom]

70. The Amazon Sweatshop King wants to be King of the Hill. nt

[AlbertCat]

63. Why? They haven't.

Is the NYT running for president now????

I missed that bit of news.


Either that or your post is just "shoot the messenger" desperation.

[Zorra]

8. But if she stops lying about Bernie, what will she have left to campaign on?

Maybe her surrogates could start lying about Bernie supporters, too, and use that to campaign on.

Oh, yeah, wait...that didn't work out so well either, did it? Now they've gone all the way back to the 50's and Joe McCarthy for some red scare material to campaign against Bernie with.

Someone should tell Secretary Clinton that red scare McCarthyism tactics didn't work out so well for Nixon in 1960. And thank heaven for that, if people had fallen for Nixon's red scare BS, we would never have had John F. Kennedy for our President.

Speaking of lying, and "I am not a crook" Nixon, let us hope Secretary Clinton's various issues that she is reluctant to reveal and clarify don't result in a headline similar to the one below a year from now:

[LiberalElite]

19. the millenials don't

buy into the red scare crap
Maybe she's trying to shore up the 65and up cohort. (I'm 65 BTW)

[Zorra]

24. I know, I have millennial kids.

Millennials generally recognize and dismiss BS at first sniff.

[Merryland]

25. I think she doesn't give us boomers enough credit

by the time the late 1960's rolled around, we were teenagers who vaguely recalled the red scare from childhood, or - in my case - my mother watching the Army-McCarthy hearings on TV. Many if not most of us knew the "red scare" was bs.

[elljay]

43. I was that obnoxious and precocious

elementary school kid who always asked the teachers how crouching on the floors in the hallway was going to protect us from the Soviets dropping a nuke on our heads. The paranoia was pervasive in those days.

[FailureToCommunicate]

77. Our hastily built elementary school had apparently one large solid wall, in the auditorium, and

we all gathered against that cinderblock surface during duck and cover drills. (When you watch footage of nuke blast damage now, that kind of "protection" seems absurd.)

I tried not to think about the Soviet missiles, and instead focused on being sure I was next to Cathy Duncan when the class huddled next to that wall...

[elljay]

92. I especially liked

the hands over the back of your neck business. Used to ask what the hell that was for, too! So your fingers melt first?

[mdbl]

102. LOL

[appalachiablue]

108. Comedian Lewis Black's A-bomb stories of duck 'n cover under wood school desks are wild!

[elljay]

109. Love my homie Lewis!

Will have to look for those clips- thanks!

[appalachiablue]

110. Comedian Lewis Black: Elementary school films on how to survive a nuclear attack!

[elljay]

119. Thanks!!!!

[Gwhittey]

64. Zorra

Are you now or have you ever been a member of the Communist Party of the United States?

[Zorra]

111. No.

I was too far to the left for them, and and they wouldn't let me join.

[Amimnoch]

9. NYT makes its statments through the opinion section and opinion pieces now?

interesting.

Does that mean the LA times position is that Bernie was for the auto bail out before he was against it?

http://www.latimes.com/opinion/la-ol-sanders-auto-bailout-20160307-story.html

I find it most interesting that your copy and paste started just AFTER the word Opinion |

[Smarmie Doofus]

12. Wha?

My cut and paste starts "just AFTER the word" "protestors."

>>>>He’s begun seeding crowds with plainclothes officers to sniff out dissenters, tightened efforts to corral reporters, and dances dangerously close to inciting violence against protesters.>>>>

The cut and paste begins at precisely this point.

Perhaps I don't understand your post. It's an *opinion* piece. By definition, editorials are *opinion* pieces.

It is labeled as such on the top of the page.

Are you sure you've read and understood the piece?

What's the confusion?

[StandingInLeftField]

18. Hillarian tactics

Straight from the playbook. It's all they have, Smarmie Doofus.

[islandmkl]

22. apparently there is a rookie league for surrogates...

trying to make an argumentative statement out of one's own misrepresentation is a tactic best practiced in private until mastered...

even Hillary is having trouble with it these days...

it looks like maybe the ClintonPlaybook™ came apart and the pages got put back together somewhat out of order...

[99th_Monkey]

31. This is not "just a op-ed". It's written BY the EDITORIAL BOARD of the NYTimes. Yuuuge difference.

Carries a ton of weight with readers, and cannot be poo-pooed as "a mere op-ed" .. well ..
not if you regard yourself as remotely 'reality-based'.

[jham123]

59. I posted after you did,

and without seeing your post as of yet, I basically said the same thing. NYT changing course mid-primary is not something to be scoffed at

[rhett o rick]

117. So are you refuting what was posted in the OP or just telling us what the weather is? nm

[left-of-center2012]

123. "I find it most interesting that your copy and paste started just AFTER the word Opinion"

But the fact Hillary is a habitual liar doesn't interest you?

[Amimnoch]

124. glass houses and all that stuff.

Bernie Sanders's file

True 10 (14%)(10)
Mostly True 27 (36%)(27)
Half True 14 (19%)(14)
Mostly False 12 (16%)(12)
False 11 (15%)

If I waited on a politician that says more than a few sentences in a season and scores a 100% between the top 2 categories, I've a feeling I wouldn't be voting again in this lifetime.

[jtuck004]

10. At least they didn't put the word liar in bold. Hearts don't change, do they, Mrs. Clinton? LOL. n/t

[AgingAmerican]

11. She is trying to appeal to low information voters

And failing miserably.

[Octafish]

13. If one lies about one's friends, what else will one lie about?

The Banksters? The Warmongers? The Future?

[stupidicus]

14. rightwingers can't win honestly

she's counting on the credulity of her enamored supporters

[Jefferson23]

15. If she wins the nomination she has to rely on how horrific the other side is to win the WH.

Who the hell believes she is a trusted and inspiring candidate?

[passiveporcupine]

85. You know many voters want a woman POTUS

I know I do.

And that is a huge reason why Hillary has so many women supporters.

But what I don't understand is why anyone would want a first woman POTUS who is so despised by so many Americans, and has shown such poor ability to make sound decisions. I'd think to make a good impression as a woman leader of this great country, you'd want to put up a woman who is admired and respected by most of America (well...except for republicans, but what can you expect). Someone like Warren, or many other women who have served this country well and with dignity.

If Hillary does win, she will leave a dark stain for women to overcome in the future.

[fbc]

17. yeah, I don't really see how she is going to stop lying now

It's all she really has.

[nolabels]

21. Some people want to believe reality will change if they can convince themselves and others of it

It's the same reason drunks keep on getting drunk, it lets them believe reality can be different while they are intoxicated.

[Coincidence]

20. She's already all in, her way forward will be to turn it up to 11. [nt]

[islandmkl]

23. she has no Marshall amp...that's her problem!

Bill has a bullhorn...maybe she should use that!

Bernie has a stack of Marshall's and he hasn't even turned them past 6...yet....

[Spitfire of ATJ]

26. She thinks she can slide in to office on slime.

[99th_Monkey]

33. +10

[ljm2002]

80. Ha ha, good one! n/t

[Merryland]

27. the genteel language in the editorial translated

"falsely parsing" Sanders' Senate vote = lying
"trying to tarnish" Mr. Sanders = smearing
"shifting positions" on trade agreements = flip-flopping

Will the Times reverse it's way-premature endorsement of her? How can they stand by a candidate they accuse of lying, smearing & flip-flopping in this editorial?

[99th_Monkey]

35. Great point. It's like the Times is saying "stop embarrassing us for endorsing you"

Certainly sounds like they may be having some serious second thoughts .. and
for good reason.

[nadinbrzezinski]

41. That is actually the next step

[Duval]

60. Thom Hartmann just said he believed she will get the nomination.

What does he know that we don't?

[nadinbrzezinski]

66. Dime is math

The map for sanders is extremely narrow. And I mean the narrow part.

[MidwestTech]

71. a hell of a lot more

Ok JUST looking at the delegate count, she'll win.
ALL she has to do is come in second for the rest of the primaries. 40% in each rave and she'll win.
NOW ... add in her small mountain of super delegates and there is almost no way for bernie to win delegate wise.
He's going to need a landslide in at least one super populace state like California if he's going to beat her at her own game.
In a real ironic twist, Hilary could win the nomination w/o winning the majority of physical votes!

and keep in mind Hartman is a H U G E fan of Bernie!

Personally I think it's a travesty of Shakespearean proportions. If the media had done it's job Bernie would already have it in the bag by now and the Dems could start pushing progressive and *gasp!* dare I suggest liberal senators.

Instead the BEST we're going to get is a Milquetoast congress with Hillary as the candidate (and yes I think it's unlikely she'll loose the general) and little change in the congressional math which means goodbye functional government!

[davidpdx]

122. I would sure like to know

[Major Hogwash]

126. Not without New York and California, she won't.

Look at the latest trends, people have had it up to here with her (puts hand up by forehead).

[arcane1]

42. The same New York Times that colluded with the Bush administration's Iraq lies?

[BernieforPres2016]

52. Editorial boards do it all the time

The NYT editorial board acknowledges Hillary's lies and dirty tricks but will never withdraw its endorsement of her. It's like Marco Rubio repeatedly referring to a con man in the last Republican debate, then later being asked if he would support Trump if he was the Republican nominee. He said yes.

[jham123]

61. keen observation

Very Keen, indeed.

[arcane1]

30. Without the lies, there is no campaign n/t

[oldandhappy]

34. I have been stunned with the lies.

The lies from Clinton drove me away in January.
I wonder about the DNC. Saw DWS last night on TV and she looked terrible. Wonder if the lies and control issues are backfiring on her.

[Merryland]

38. I can't imagine what she thinks or feels

to me she is about as authentic as Hillary Clinton.

[99th_Monkey]

36. K*R - Yet another tell-tale turning point --as usual-- in Sanders direction. nt

[Faux pas]

37. K N R-ed

[nadinbrzezinski]

40. Ok she is in trouble

I say this as a media observer. When the gray lady goes there, well then

[ljm2002]

81. Yes, this is definitely a noteworthy development...

...it will be very interesting to see if it develops further. But I agree wholeheartedly that she is in trouble. When the NYT editorial board tells their own preferred candidate to stop lying, in print, well then indeed.

[Babel_17]

46. Last night from Univision, and yet again in an editorial from The New York Times

More and more Secretary Clinton is seeing that her hall pass from the left has expired. She's being called out for her lapses. For her campaign this an ominous trend, and a sign that there will be scant cover for any more revelations. Slow walking the facts of her server helped put the end to that, and the excuses for not releasing the Goldman Sachs transcripts had the New York Times Editorial Board throw their hands up in utter rejection of them.

Every new release of a troubling revelation regarding her tenure at State, or The Clinton Foundation, or her speeches, is going to represent an opportunity for a bi-partisan round of finger pointing and condemnation. Nobody wants to excuse away any more reveals representing bad judgement (at best).

[Myrina]

47. She can't stop.

Lady MacBeth doesn't know any other way to operate.

[blackspade]

48. I almost feel sorry for her more ardent supporters.

Almost.

[BernieforPres2016]

53. I don't, the candidate and her supporters deserve each other

[840high]

57. They do.

[blackspade]

90. Many of them are great people.

But are caught up in back and forth of the primary like the rest of us.
It's just unfortunate that the candidate that they support doesn't actually represent their interests in the long run.

[SoapBox]

51. She cannot stop herself...she's in the Camp Weathervane bubble.

Lies...flip flopping...shape shifting...twisting and bending...

We've had 30+ years of Clinton baggage.

NO more.

No...More...Clintons!

[BernieforPres2016]

58. Thom Hartmann is on Hillary for these tactics for the first 3-4 segments today

And he has referenced the NY Times editorial.

But Thom's copout is that he's trying to deflect the blame off Hillary. He says she should fire David Brock, John Podesta and any others who are putting her up to this. He can't bring himself to acknowledge this is who the Clintons are, who they always have been and who they always will be.

It's what the press and fans always do when an athlete gets in trouble. He's got to get himself away from all those "bad influences" who are getting him into trouble. What they don't ever say is maybe he's the leader and the people around him are just following his lead.

[HereSince1628]

93. Disgusted with Hartmann today.

He was blaming call-ins for being disappointed with the state of things in America generally and the Democratic party specificially

Pretty much discounting the right of citizens to have dissenting opinions if they don't run for office. Not more than 2weeks ago people were upset when HRC did the same thing to a BLM activist.

Thom can go scare monger about the coming apocalypse and sell gold to someone other than me. He silences honest citizens and then does the work of investment houses.

Thom if gold is such a damned good for the coming apocalypse WHY are the companies holding it willing to sell it now?

[BernieforPres2016]

97. I see Hartmann on Free Speech TV which doesn't have some of the radio commercials

Is Hartmann plugging gold personally in radio spots? Those are generally ripoff companies and over the years they've done a lot of advertising on right wing talk radio like Limbaugh, Hannity, Michael Savage, Glenn Beck, etc. I am very surprised that Hartmann would do those spots. They must be desperate for advertising dollars. FSTV has been doing a fundraiser on TV during breaks.

Hartmann gets on Hillary for the lies and then says he prefers Bernie but doesn't seem to care very much if Bernie or Hillary wins. He is smart enough to know the vast difference between them and how they would govern. My guess is that his audience is so small that if he totally alienates listeners who are for Hillary that he might go off the air.

[HereSince1628]

100. Yes Hartmann hawks gold and in the ads in which he also hawks his book on the coming apocalypse

[AlbertCat]

62. It's like she sees Repugs have won using slimy strategies....

...... and so she just copies it. She's not alone. But what a short sighted, profoundly unimaginative tactic. Zero ideas.

Sanders is such a breath of fresh air!

[MidwestTech]

74. but those tactics work!

In California many years ago Gray Davis won his reelection campaign by using GoP tactics... the major difference was he told the truth.
it CRUSHED his opponents.

that's how come 18 months later the gop had the recall campaign run to elect Schwarzenegger... who honestly could have been a hell of a lot worse for California.

The reason Gray Davis lost his recall is because the dem's collapsed around him. They effectively refused, in the end, to run heavy anti-recall ads. Instead they all ran for office. An office already filled and competently being run by Davis!

Hillary sees these tactics that were so effectively honed over the last 30 years, especially first hand used against her and Bill, and sees a winning strategy.

Sadly she isn't able to run the kind of vicious truth ads that worked so well for Gray Davis in California because.. seriously what can you actually say negative about Bernie? That he believes in personal rights and freedoms?
That he's a gun owner (so am I btw)
That he's for rational gun laws?
That he walked with, was arrested for, and fought for equal right with MLK?
He's Jewish?
Oi VEY

[AlbertCat]

76. but those tactics work!

I still don't like the idea of becoming those you oppose.

[MidwestTech]

78. I didn't say they were ethical

Just effective.
But yes, I agree with you

[beedle]

65. She's just trying to set up ...

... another 'sexism' moment.

Attack Sanders with a pile of 'horse feathers' until Bernie loses it and has another "Excuse me, I'm speaking' moment.

Then she and her scum-patrol can play the 'victim card'.

[Uncle Joe]

68. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, Smarmie Doofus.

[Kall]

69. Her vigilante and Minutemen accusation was reprehensible

[staggerleem]

75. " ... (S)he needs to explain why she once believed that trade pacts would help American workers."

She can't, because she doesn't now, and she really never did - she is not a fool. She believes that the TPP will help the large transnational corporations that donate to her campaign, and she HOPES that there are enough fools out here among the working class who will believe her when she SAYS she thinks will help American workers. The truth here is that her attitude is essentially identical to that of the transnational with respect to this agreement (which has been amply demonstrated by the scraps of the agreement we've been allowed to see) - workers be damned!

I've been told that nobody ever went broke by betting on the stupidity of Americans. I sincerely hope we can prove that adage false in this election cycle.

[Duppers]

79. K & R Trust ratio

Bernie is beating her in that department by 32 percent.

[billhicks76]

83. Hubris Can't Help Itself

[pacalo]

84. K&R.

[Enthusiast]

86. Hey NYT! Pot, kettle, black.

You fuckers have been doing your fair share of lying about Sanders.

[oberliner]

88. Your OP title is a lie

The NYT editorial title is: A Lesson in Hillary Clinton’s Loss in Michigan

[bobthedrummer]

89. K&R#203 n/t

[Jitter65]

95. Funny how so many people can be led to believe that the truth is a lie when it is aimed at their fav

candidate.

[jillan]

96. Whoever is advising her to say stupid things like

The Koch brothers are funding Bernie Sanders, the person who has been fighting against Wall Street for 20 years, needs to be fired . Did she honestly think that anybody would believe that?

[glinda]

98. Lying to win like the Conservatives is an indication of weakness.

[Dont call me Shirley]

99. I heard this on Thom Hartmann this morning. Wow! Msm throws us a bone!

[Kall]

101. It's clear how she'd act as President

and it's just repulsive.

[noretreatnosurrender]

103. NYT

Tell us again why you endorsed Hillary?

After you read this editorial make sure you read the comments. Some really good ones.

[Ruby the Liberal]

104. EXACTLY.

If she hopes to unify Democrats as the nominee, trying to tarnish Mr. Sanders as she did in Michigan this week is not the way to go.

[Ivan Kaputski]

107. If she wasn't desperate she wouldn't be lying.

[Billsmile]

115. Thom Hartmann's Take on This

Here's Thom's take.

[ucrdem]

116. LOL, who's the establishment candidate now, eh?

p.s. no idea why they're spinning so hard for Bernie but I know what she said and she wasn't lying about Bernie's Detroit vote or his NRA ties.

[nwnatural]

118. I was Hoping Hillary would elevate her campaign

I was hoping that Mrs. Clinton would follow Bernie's lead. The more she disrespects him the harder I find it to like her. She had better knock it off.

[Major Hogwash]

125. I wish I could recommend this thread 1000 times.

Because it deserves it!!!

[Jarqui]

127. Whoops!! Did the Clinton campaign forget to buy ads in the NYT this month? nt

[Arizona Roadrunner]

129. A person you can trust?

Bernie has pointed out Clinton's statements of support for the companies in India bringing contract H-1b employees to the USA and Michigan. He also should say this is why we need to see what she told Goldman-Sachs for the $675,000. How much support did she give them? After all, Goldman-Sachs probably tax deducted the "expense" and therefore we have standing to ask what did we get for either paying more taxes or getting less services as a result of the deduction.

Also, she is "currently" against TPP. However the US Chamber of Commerce has put out a message to it's membership that after the election, they are sure she will find reasons to be "currently" in favor of TPP

http://downwithtyranny.blogspot.com/2016/02/chamber-of-commerce-chief-tom-donohue.html
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-naiman/chamber-of-commerce-lobby_b_9104096.html

[AllyCat]

130. I thought they liked her.

What is this piece for?

[pdsimdars]

131. That's not fair, it's like asking her to stop breathing

[maindawg]

133. I noticed

Since I have been banned from posting in some forums apparently by the Hillary people that the Bernie folks don't ban the Hillaries from the Bernie threads. Intolerance is not a favorable trait. We Democratic leaning people are inclusive. We welcome discussion. Even tolerate negative feedback. Therein lies the difference between democracy oriented opinion and Blind faith .