So Apparently... We've Forsaken Our Mothers...

[WillyT]

This discussion thread was locked as off-topic by Agschmid (a host of the 2016 Postmortem forum).

DULink: http://www.democraticunderground.com/110769845

THIS... IS SEXIST !!!

My 86 year old mom, doesn't like Hillary...

And she was a precinct Captain in CA for decades.

And... a Democrat.

[Cassiopeia]

1. There's a special place in hell for us.

Whatever, hopefully Clinton will be enjoying retirement in just a few months.

[dana_b]

14. LOL!!!

ah.... perfect...

[MisterP]

20. jury results, alas

Do Democrats talk like this? Relax your body and you will hear your Dick and Balls make only one noise continuously. It says "Bernie, Bernie, Bernie." This is not making Sanders supporters look good. This thread should be locked but this particular post stinks of misogyny and should be hidden.

JURY RESULTS

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Fri Mar 11, 2016, 12:33 AM, and the Jury voted 4-3 to HIDE IT.

Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: The poster has obviously been caught off guard by the non-stop right wing spectacular this place has become thanks to the caliber of posters here now and their non-stop onslaught against Hillary. But getting caught up still has consequences and the consequence is that I'm voting to hide this post because it's vile. What would really be grand is if the Bernie supporters showed half as much decency when asked to serve on juries and did the same against the many vile anti-Hillary posts we've all been seeing. Betting this one will be a slam dunk, maybe even 7-0 which kind of speaks to how one-sided and lost this place is now.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
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Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: That is what I hear from my friends on the right. Not hiding, poster posted a smiley face. No one who speaks German could be an evil man.
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
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Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: One of the more offensive posts I've read in DU in years.
Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Inappropriate
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[zappaman]

42. Good hide. n/t

[Silver_Witch]

23. Wonderful

May I use your "Woman for Bernie" logo?

Melodie

[dana_b]

32. oh wow..

it was a dumb joke. Crude, yes, but I seriously doubt that the poster hates women. As a matter of fact that person DM'd me because they are upset.

And sure - go ahead. Sarcasm and ridicule over every silly little thing is the norm around here now.

[840high]

40. That was a stupid hide.

[dana_b]

46. it is what it is

people take things wrong and things don't come across on the internet.

[SunSeeker]

51. No, this is a stupid hide:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1107&pid=69895

P.S. That's a picture of Beyonce from her Formation video, protesting police violence against the African American community.

[dana_b]

53. I think they're both rather silly

[SunSeeker]

57. The Vagina post was a good hide.

I wasn't on that jury, but I imagine some jurors thought it was demeaning to all Hillary supporters, which is not appropriate on a Democratic site, even as a joke. It implies any support of Hillary is prompted by a woman's sex organ rather than her brain, which is horribly sexist. And it basically diminishes all.women to nothing more than a vagina.

Now please give one plausible explanation of the 7-0 hide over a picture of Beyonce...other than alert stalking of SheShe2.

[tblue37]

63. I agree. I was offended by the post saying Bernie supporters are misogynists, but I

was also offended by the hidden post in this thread. The level of discourse doesn't need to fall that low.

[Lizzie Poppet]

76. I think that latter hide was absolutely correct.

That it was Beyonce doing the flipping off, or even that her original intent was a protest against police shootings of blacks, isn't relevant to the hide. All that post contained was the pic of Beyonce flipping off the camera...which I'd say makes the obvious intent a "fuck you" to the poster it replied to. The day it becomes A-OK here to respond to a post with "fuck you" will be the day it's obviously time to leave, at least for anyone looking for substantive discussion. If I want a shit-slinging contest, there's 4chan /pol/. No alert stalking or biased jurors (or legit discussion, for the most part) there...just fire away.

[SunSeeker]

95. OFFS. I was the poster SheShe2 was replying to. I had just posted a video of Beyonce!

We are both Hillary supporters and were conversing in the Hillary Group. SheShe2 was not flipping me off! She liked my post with video of Beyonce doing Formation at the Superbowl. Hence the word "Boom!" in her subject line. The picture of Beyonce was from Beyonce's official video of Formation.

[Lizzie Poppet]

102. Okay, cool.

When I read the contents of your post, after getting to the reply via the link in this thread, I didn't notice what forum or group it was in. I've never visited either the Hillary or the Bernie groups (not interested in either one), and wouldn't have known if the reply was from a regular or an about-to-be-banned-from-the-group intruder. The reply seemed like a blunt "fuck you" to an inoffensive post. That "Boom" had no obvious meaning to me.

Glad it wasn't really a personal attack. Seriously tired of that shit at DU...

[Lizzie Poppet]

75. I disagree.

Just because the original image was something positive doesn't make using a pic of someone flipping off the camera okay when the utterly obvious intent was to say "fuck you" to the poster. If doing that is okay, then why bother having personal insults against the ToS at all? DU might as well become the 4chan Politics board.

[SunSeeker]

107. "DU might as well become the 4chan Politics board."

And posts telling the leading female Democratic candidate to basically disembowel herself by impaling herself with a brick into her vagina aren't going to do that?!

[Lizzie Poppet]

108. As I mentioned elsewhere, I'd have voted to hide that one.

I understand, perfectly, his frustrations with Hillary Clinton...and share them. That's no way to express those frustrations, not here, not anywhere. That post may well have been tombstone-worthy (that's not my call to make, of course: not an Admin).

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

3. Has no one noticed that there are a lot of women who support Bernie,

and that a lot of us are old? All my old lady friends are, like me, for Bernie. Same for the young women I know (in fact, I don't know anyone of any age or gender who's for Hillary). I'm all in favor of encouraging and supporting women in politics, but they have to be women I can support on their merits. The implication that if a woman does not support Hillary she is somehow a traitor to her gender is really offensive. I have no doubt that sexist things have been and will be said about Hillary and that sucks, but it's not a good reason to vote for her.

[PyaarRevolution]

15. I wish Hillary would embrace her feminine side more...

By that I wish she wouldn't, in action, display behavior more representation of Patriarchy and males in particular. She should be taking actions that represent long term gains over short. Generally women do this which is why the Iroquois nation was the big stable Indian nation and generally stayed in one place. They had the idea of "7 Generations". What this meant was they thought about how a decision would effect things 7 generations down the line.
Frankly I think Bernie behaves more in this fashion.

[Gwhittey]

4. Hmm

So vote because Hillary is a women/mother? Is that it?

Carly Fiorina has only suspended her campaign. If the RNC gets a contested convention then she could in theroy win it. Are these people then going to vote for her because she is a women?

[2banon]

5. the ramblings of lunacy is not worthy of framing as sexist my dear comrade.

certainly not to be taken seriously..

[Kip Humphrey]

6. this a trap?

smells like a trap to entrap a Bernie supporter to me. Caution is advised.

[WillyT]

9. Yeah... If You Respond In Their Group... Instant Ban, And A Possible Hide...

That's why I responded in GD: P.

[liberal_at_heart]

7. Guilt trips have never worked on me.

And as a mother I have never tried to use guilt to get my children to do what I want them to do. Maybe that is something previous generations did, but not anymore.

[Butterbean]

45. Thank you and amen. N/t

[polly7]

8. 'Violence against women. WE SAY NO MORE!'

I don't even vote there but this is goddamn slimy. As someone who had to use ER's numerous times for treatment, equating message board posters supporting a different candidate to physical abusers of women is nauseating.

[SunSeeker]

54. No. It was protesting a post calling for Hillary to be vaginally impaled with a brick.

That is the violence against women imagery, condoned by a DU jury, that SheShe2 was addressing. And SheShe2 got silenced in her own thread, 7-0, for posting a picture of Beyonce.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1107&pid=69895

[VulgarPoet]

84. Simple tumblr-style gaslighting. nt

[polly7]

92. You're right. Been there done that too and I recognize it.

I wonder about anyone who uses it, and don't believe for a second they're as much concerned with real violence against women as they are for pushing their agenda on a message board.

[pa28]

10. The same cynical dishonesty that hurt Clinton so badly in Michigan on display.

Just let 'em keep digging, we know what they're up to.

[JohnnyLib2]

11. Anti-violence against women--

Is how I read that OP. Can't buy your interpretation.

[dana_b]

12. omg - the drama

that is absolutely ridiculous and well, I can't say it.

I am a woman and they do NOT speak for me, my daughter, my sister, my aunts, my mother and practically every woman I know. As a matter of fact, even the two people that I know that are voting for Hillary would find that insane and frankly sad.

I think some of the Hillary people are losing it. Maybe they need break.

This may be alerted on and that's fine.

[pkdu]

60. Nice sig line to go with post you got there....nice

"an injury to one...."

[kcr]

110. Well, some women don't like the thought of being raped by bricks

You'd think that would be a general consensus. Practically every woman I know agrees with me. Did you actually read the whole post linked in the OP? Do you realize that's what it's about?

[Major Hogwash]

13. I spend a lot of time doing yoga nowadays.

It's deja vu, all over again.
If you don't like Hillary, you're a sexist.
It's the same thing they said in 2008.

[Bradical79]

16. Jury votes 1-6 to leave it

So Apparently... We've Forsaken Our Mothers...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511466673

REASON FOR ALERT

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Disruptive meta. Leave people in protected groups alone. Asking for a fight about a group post in a larger forum. If he must bring this up, take it to his own candidate group, not GDP. If we don't put up with sniping in the large forums, maybe we can heal some of these rifts.

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[WillyT]

22. Thank You...

[Luminous Animal]

17. Hillary Clinton is not my mother. I am not voting for my mother,

[saltpoint]

26. Hillary Clinton is not my mother also.

Now that they've brought this subject up, I realize that there are any number of people who are not my mother.

The list of people who are not my mother includes but is not limited to:

Janis Joplin
Harriet Tubman
Doris Day
Patty Hearst
Pocahontas
Ed Sullivan
Clint Eastwood
Shelley Winters
Antonio Machado
H. Rap Brown
Leni Riefenstall
Mother Teresa
Maria Callas
Simon & Garfunkel
Nancy Drew
Clifford the Big Red Dog
Dinah Washington
the ShamWa guy

and

Jack London.

_____

edited to add that there is resonant clarity in the sentence of the comment I responded to that I love: "Hillary Clinton is not my mother."

[Luminous Animal]

27. And yet I cry. Mostly about Maria Callas.

And sometimes about Nancy Reagan. There is something about that big ole head on that little tiny body.

[saltpoint]

28. Yes. Callas had trans-human powers, that's

the only way I'm able to understand how she could turn a stuffy concert hall of wealthy over-dressed season ticket-holders into wounded, vulnerable creatures. The voice, yes, but something more in her deep brain could reach out like a claw, bore into people's chests, and hold onto their heart and lungs until they were 4 years old again, or 8, or 13.

Odd to consider Callas and Nancy Reagan together. Imagine them at lunch, having no idea in hell what to say across the table to each other.

Callas: "I strive to sing in character, to locate the spark and motivation for her actions against the backdrop of all human tragedy, against the burden of loss."

Nancy: "Just say no."

[Luminous Animal]

34. Oh my. Your first paragraph. Is poetry. And one of the most compelling and conflicted

and beautiful tributes to Callas that I ever read. Thank you!

[Manifestor_of_Light]

58. How she pushed her voice to the roles she did, I will never know!

Pushed it into mezzo roles(Carmen), lyric, coloratura, dramatic, bel canto, Wagner, just about anything a soprano or a mezzo soprano could do.

I have some of her vinyl records which I inherited from my voice teacher and don't know how a human could do that to their voice.

And she was from New York City. I have a copy of her husband's book written by Mr. Meneghini.

[TheFarS1de]

18. Some people thrive on drama ...

and that link is the epitome of lunacy . They are just background noise and unable to discuss issues in any rational sense and as such should be ignored , not because of who they are , but because of what they say .

[MisterP]

19. she's your abuelita AND your mom! it's a funny story involving a contraceptive and a time machine

[Divernan]

68. Dr. Who delivered the baby!

[VulgarPoet]

21. See, funny thing is I've been estranged from my mother for three years now

Best decision I ever made, but that's a far cry from hating my mother. Far as I'm concerned, that thread is patently bullshit.

[WillyT]

24. I'm Sorry To Here That... In My Younger Years, I Thought Loving Your Family Was Normal...

In the intervening years... Speaking to others...

I've found out how lucky I was.

It's much rarer than people think.

[VulgarPoet]

73. I was raised in the church prior to getting kicked out at 15

And when they kicked me out, I realized that their most oft-spoken quote-- "Blood is thicker than water"-- was egregiously misquoted. "The blood of the covenant is thicker than the water of the womb". You pick your family. I picked mine, and I honestly would never look back. But I'm glad you've got something that works for you.

[Gwhittey]

82. My

Brother is a Trump supporter. Need I say more.

[VulgarPoet]

85. Oooof. My condolences. My dad's a Kasich supporter, so that made my flight out recently fun.

Funny enough, he was the one who helped me come to my senses on why I supported Bernie in the first place.

[QC]

25. They're also defending Reagan's dirty wars in Central America

over there. And NAFTA. NAFTA has been great for America, you know.

Sometimes I read stuff here and feel like I've been magically transported to a GOP county executive board meeting in 1986.

[Cobalt Violet]

61. it really seems that way to me too.

This is nuts!

[Old Codger]

29. WOW

Just plain WOW, because I don;t like the female candidate this time around, and I really didn't like her last time either.. I am against all women? Holy shite nothing like generalizations..

Truth is I actually really do like women, most of the truly good times I have had in my life were directly ac-creditable to females..

I don;t even really dislike most of her supporters, as in a general run of females I wil like or dislike at about the same rate as I dislike males I meet...

I am all in for a female president for the USA but this is not going to be the one....

[BuelahWitch]

94. There will be 4 to 8 years of this kind of shit

if she is elected, every time we oppose some shit sandwich piece of legislation she is supporting. "You are a misogynist!" or "Why do you hate women?"
They are trying to guilt us into supporting a poor candidate just because she happens to be female and calls herself a Democrat.
Ain't going to work.

[JimDandy]

30. Hillary herself would probably roll her eyes at that post.

It's just this side of being inane in regards to her campaign.

[betsuni]

31. From that OP: "This is for women and the srong sweet gentle lovely men that stand with us."

Prompted by a post telling Hillary Clinton to "go ___ yourself with a brick." So what's the problem?

[liberal_at_heart]

33. Go F yourself is said by both genders to both genders. Why they added the brick part, I don't

know, but it's not like this line has never been uttered by either gender before. I myself wrote a post the other day saying screw Boeing. Now if the poster had added the b word or the c word that would be different. But go F yourself is not in and of itself sexist.

[betsuni]

35. That OP was not only about that one comment, and "sexist" was never used. nt

[liberal_at_heart]

36. Well what else in that OP could be offensive? He was angry about Hillary laughing when Bernie

said we could do better. I understand his anger. That made me angry too.

[betsuni]

37. I mean the OP in the Hillary group was about violence about women in general, with the

brick comment mentioned as an example.

[liberal_at_heart]

38. It sure seemed to me that most of that Hillary Group OP was about that

particular GDP OP. "You hate us. The filth that I have read here and allowed to stand is disheartening. Actually it is heartbreaking when posts on violence against women are allowed to stand. I read something about bricks the other day. Wow! Allowed to stand on a DEMOCRATIC BOARD."

[Cavallo]

41. It you browse that group, you'd see they've declared us not democrats because we question the

establishment, Barack and Hillary. If you're voting for Bernie, I get the idea you are also not a Democrat. Free will, makes you not a democrat. You must support the DNC without question. Anyway, they are going to ban us non democrats apparently soon. I'm not sure when - I ran from that forum when I saw the group thought and how I was declared not a democrat for questioning the establishment.

This whole women are going to hell if they don't do X, just sounds so Fundy to me. Are we sure THEY are actually Democats? They aren't acting like liberals or Democrats. That forum may be taken over by women of the extreme religious right. They may try to take over more ground on DU and try to ban Democratic thought altogether. I think they mean just that when they talk about their plan of banning everyone who doesn't agree with them, soon. I think there needs to be an investigation.

I can't go there because the thoughts they harbor. I can't go to free republic or watch the republican debates either for the same reason. I can't handle that level.

[liberal_at_heart]

43. I never visit that group, and have most of them on ignore anyway.

[Cavallo]

47. Oh, smart move. I just browsed it and it bothered me too much. Won't go there again.

[gwheezie]

44. The only way to resolve this is to

Suggest Bernie shove a brick up his ass.
So let's see if anyone allows this post to stand.

[ornotna]

48. Well there you go

Everything is all better now. Cool.

[betsuni]

50. +1

[TSIAS]

66. You can call Sanders a "motherfucker"

and a jury will allow it to stand.

[yardwork]

69. So that makes every other vile post ok too?

Why not be part of the solution instead of continuing the problem?

[SunSeeker]

56. Really? You don't know why they "added the brick part"?

Could it be because Hillary is a woman?

Have you ever heard someone tell a man to go fuck himself with a brick? Or any number of objects? I haven't. But I have heard it plenty towards women.

It is not lost on women that some of the most vicious rapes of women involve impaling/disemboweling a woman (as a brick would certainly do).

This is the imagery that sort of language conjures up:

http://hinterlandgazette.com/2013/02/anene-booysen-south-african-teen-gangraped-disemboweled-laid-rest-bredasdorp.html

https://heteroloco.wordpress.com/2013/01/04/india-gang-rape-victim-reportedly-disemboweled-in-attack/

[Fairgo]

39. I was raised by wild women

and I raised a couple of my own. I've integrated feminist philosophy into my work models and we serve family empowerment around the world. I've developed succession planning initiatives focused on recruiting, hiring, and supporting female academics. I have short list of women I'd support...vociferously, completely as president of the United States. The wild women I call my colleagues tell me that Hillary does not stand with them. They stand for their values...and they stand heads and shoulders above the passive aggressive tripe that equates critique with misogyny.

[Feeling the Bern]

49. I'm blocked from the HRC group. See, they like to lob bombs from their little clique

then when someone responds in the negative, they ban them from the group so their group is an echo chambers of HRC sycophants.

I ignore them. They are desperate and it shoulds. They say we hate women for supporting Bernie. I hate women so much I married a beautiful woman and are having a child soon, as well as everything I do is to support her so she doesn't need to work for survive, but works because she WANTS to work, not because she NEEDS to work.

But I'm just a man. WTF do I know?

[DaveT]

52. Once all this is over,

the party alignment of the last 150 or so years may well disintegrate.

Over at the Grand Old Party, they are ripping apart at the seems as xenophobic nativists and religious bigots vie with country club Republicans. There is a lot of speculation in the more speculative reaches of the punditocracy that their party my break into two or three pieces.

Meanwhile, if our conversation at DU is any indication, the Dems might well also split into two very different political organizations. Sanders and his supporters will become a traditional European style Social Democratic Party. Hillary and her supporters will establish the Passive Aggressive Party.

[VulgarPoet]

88. The Tumblr Liberal Party?

[Jack Rabbit]

55. It's a piece of nonsense

As an attempt of writing something poetic, the writer fails because the logic that holds it together is simple sophistry. Hillary is a woman; your mother is a women; therefore, you should vote for Mrs. Clinton. To say the least, that is that not a valid syllogism.

Perhaps I missed something, but I haven't seen a really misogynistic post here in a long time. If I am asked to sit in judgment of such a post about a woman running for president )or doing anything else, for that matter), I vote to hide it, even if the woman targeted is one I believe would make a poor president.

I appreciate the level of emotion the writer feels for the women of the earth. There probably isn't a woman alive anywhere who hasn't been slighted in some way simply for being a woman. Nevertheless, that won't persuade me to support a woman who takes train loads of money from crooked Wall Street banks and make a ridiculous statement about not being influenced by it. It's not likely to persuade any one who isn't already persuaded to vote for Mrs. Clinton.

Frankly, Willy, the post didn't really seem offensive enough to bother with a response to it. For one thing, it's election year, after all, or as President Obama likes to call it, "silly season." Fir another, it's in a protected group where people can write something that and not worry about some one with a different opinion. On the other hand, since you bring it up, those are my thoughts.

[Cobalt Violet]

59. my mom felt the Bern in MA.

She would've voted for hillary if not for my niece and I being strong Bernie supporters.

[tblue37]

62. I am a 65-year-old woman supporting Bernie, and I deeply resent all the "BernieBro"

slams and the claims that our support for Bernie comes from misogyny. I have been an avid feminist since the 1960s, and I would love to see a woman president before I shuffle off this mortal coil. But HRC is too tied to the corporations and banks and to endless wars. I think Bernie is our last chance to weaken the hold the plutocrats' money has on our politics, and I also think he will have coattails for our downticket in the GE.

If HRC is our nominee I will avidly support her, but I won't be as enthusiastic as I would have been before she started with the Brockian smears against someone everyone knows is the most honest and transparent politician in Washington.

[Major Hogwash]

64. Thank you.

It goes by unsaid too often here that women can support Bernie as well as Hillary.
The Democratic party is NOT just "another men's club".
I get tired of hearing that meme, yet that meme is only played here at the DU.

[lovemydog]

65. I think you posted this here to get a poster her fifth hide.

After you posted this here, that post was voted to hide (4-3 vote, in a protected group).

[PatrickforO]

67. Another destructive meme against those who feel Bernie Sanders represents

their interests better than Hillary Clinton.

Just a thought: if I'm for Bernie because I think he's the candidate who actually cares about me, my family and our kitchen table issues, why does that make me a sexist? Isn't that very accusation sexist in itself?

[pdsimdars]

70. Yea, my mom's in her 90s and she like Bernie

I guess some women, just like some men are wiser than others.

[Jitter65]

71. After being told that we shouldn't like Hillary for over 30 years has worked on many.

Reasons for disliking her back in the 90's when Bill was President:
She is pushy
She is arrogant
She is ambitious
She is awful for standing by her philandering husband.
She is ugly
She has big thighs
She wears pant suits
She is not religious
She is phony
She is smart

It worked!!

[djean111]

72. Do you really feel those are the reasons that people do not want Hillary as president?

Really? No actual issues involved?

I am a woman, I supported Hillary in 2008 - in the years that followed, I did my due diligence on the internet, and I cannot support a PERSON who supports war, fracking, the TPP, sends children back to central America - after they thought they were safe!, no less! - to die, is a protege of blood-soaked Kissinger, thinks cluster bombs are just fine, lies with impunity, deliberately - those are just a few reason I do not support that PERSON.

I would have been thrilled to vote for Warren; I am thrilled to vote for Bernie - today, actually, my grandson and I will be "early voting" here in Florida.

Hillary's campaign was rolled out using the gender card - "of course all women will vote for her" - and kept it up, with lists like yours being used to deflect from actual issues. As a woman, I find that insulting and condescending, and so tone-deaf that I cannot imagine Hillary as a president.

[UglyGreed]

74. My wife does not like

Hillary she thinks she is a phony. My 16 year old daughter feels that Bernie would be best for America's future. She is tired of living in a perpetual war climate and she would like to have some hope for her and her friends future.

[whatchamacallit]

77. Maybe it's because I haven't had coffee yet, but I'm having trouble piecing this together

What happened?

[NHprogressive]

78. My about-to-retire-this-year mother, a moderate and former Clinton supporter, and non-misogynist,

is supporting Bernie Sanders. I'm not certain about her mother's vote this year, but I do know that neither my mother nor me are forsaking our respective mothers and that neither of us have 'vicious hatred of women.' We just think that Bernie Sanders is a better candidate than Hillary Clinton and are unapologetic about this perspective.

It is childish to equate disagreement with one's position as being sexist, and I don't think it makes you a person with vicious hatred of men if you do disagree with me on that point.

[Bobbie Jo]

79. ...

[PonyUp]

80. "We birthed you". Now get out there and vote for Hillary! LMAO!! n/t

[Zorra]

81. Hey, WillyT -

Elizabeth Warren Rejects MoveOn’s Million Dollar Effort To Draft Her For 2016

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025936729

Seems a certain group that is trying to smear Bernie supporters as sexist has conveniently forgotten that Bernie supporters were desperately trying to get a woman, Liz Warren, to run against Hillary for the POTUS nomination.

DU's Elizabeth Warren Group

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=forum&id=1265

From that great Sanders/Warren Democrat, Manny Goldstein, aka "Third Way Manny":

Why in God's name would Elizabeth Warren run for President?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026425465

Here's what the Angry Elizabeth Warren Left can't understand

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026302554

Elizabeth Warren: Damaging the Democratic Brand [WITH CORRECTION]

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022383745

Their are hundreds of OP's of Bernie supporters supporting Liz Warren and urging her to run for President. This illustrates, perfectly, the fact that the bullshit smears accusing Sanders supporters of being sexist is a pack of vicious lies.

[Betty Karlson]

83. This kind of ovarian blackmail can cry me a river.

[TexasMommaWithAHat]

90. Vagina blinders.

The candidate is a woman, so we are supposed to be blind to the fact that she's more republican than democrat.

It seems a lot of men and women are wearing those blinders these days.

The same people who were clamoring for single payer healthcare 8 years ago now support Hillary? The same people who were against Republican warmongering now support Hillary?
The same people who were against for-profit prisons now support Hillary ? The same people who want to reform our criminal justice system now support Hillary? The same people who have been talking about tuition free university systems in Europe now support Hillary? The same people who hate Walmart now support Hillary?

And they wonder where our democratic values have gone?

Well, I can tell them. They threw those values away when they got behind Hillary.

My parents were working class folks who had 3 and 4 jobs between the two of them to support us, get us through high school, and support us through college. Hillary's brand of "feminism" has nothing in common with my mother.

[cherokeeprogressive]

86. Not good enough, Willy! nt

[Avalux]

87. What a huge heaping pile of horseshit!

I just have to laugh at such a lame attempt to make us ladies feel bad for not supporting Hillary and you're right - it is sexist!
In additional to supporting Bernie myself, here's the breakdown of women in my family:

93 year old grandmother
72 year old mother
29 year old daughter
23 year old daughter
19 year old daughter

That kind of hardcore guilt doesn't work with us. We are all strong, independent women who can think for ourselves.

[betsuni]

89. Not everything's about you. Who cares?

[whatchamacallit]

91. Let me try again. Could someone point me to the 'Brick' post?

I just want to see the genesis of the brouhaha. Anyone?

[VulgarPoet]

93. I've asked for a link, never found one.

Honestly, I'm wondering if it even exists.

[betsuni]

103. Honestly ... Right.

[cyberswede]

97. here

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511459520

[whatchamacallit]

99. Ah, I see...

Thanks cyberswede!

[VulgarPoet]

104. Oh... Wow.

While I'd love nothing more for Clinton to do an acrobatic pirouette into the tempestuous oceans of irrelevance, that is beyond the pale. That's the kind of shit you see on 4chan, not here-- the fuck.

[betsuni]

98. GDP: "Thank you, Secretary Hillary Clinton."

"go ___ yourself with a brick."

[whatchamacallit]

101. Got it, thanks

[jillan]

106. This 60 y/o woman has a message for the women that posted that -Women that call other women sexist -

should burn in hell.

I marched for gender equality and I proudly support Bernie Sanders!

[betsuni]

109. The only use of the word "sexist" was WillyT.

[kcr]

111. So, did you realize this was about the brick?

I realize this has already been mentioned in this thread. Figure it can't hurt to mention it again.

[Agschmid]

112. Locking. Host consensus at this time is that this post is disruptive meta.

Thank you.