About this Donnybrook in Chicago...

[NCcoast]

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For the record, I'm 57. I like you millennials. I think you're heads and hearts are in the right place. And, as a group, you admire intelligence. You have all of these wonderful new digital toys and it takes intelligence to make them behave as you would like. Not every recent generation has admired their brain trust the way you have.

I was completely in awe of the Occupy movement. The systems of communication, the succinct, practical and non-inflammatory documents that came out of that movement. They were things of beauty.

So I'm saying this with respect. We need to direct that awesome brain power in a nonviolent direction. Yesterday was a bad scene. Direct head to head confrontations like that need to be avoided. I rarely write posts but I'm casting a seed I hope will take root somewhere useful. We need to use our brain power to bring about this change in a creative, humorous, instructive, non-violent way, to the greatest extent possible. When those folks start to anticipate that sort of confrontation it's going to get really ugly. People are going to get hurt. Let's just think about that going forward.

But I'm with you, let's make the change.

[RandySF]

1. And it all played into Trump's hands.

[MrMickeysMom]

12. Huh?

You must have been watching some other raw video. I watched the entire thing unfold. Didn't look like anything "fell into Trump's hands", but a view that Sarah Palin would call her people visiting the university. The rest of them were peacefully protesting.

[HEyHEY]

2. I would have agreed a few years ago

But I feel like now we're at a point where government and those running it and for it need a healthy fear of the populace again. Over the years it seems they have become so used to being able to simply ignore the public's best interest or concerns unless it's wealthy people complaining.

May be time to remind them the public is not always going to just grin and bear it.

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[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

3. With all due respect to my elders...

I believe the protesters WERE there to be non-violent. As we've seen time and again, violence is being initiated by Trump supporters. Direct confrontation of evil (and Trump's racist and xenophobic message IS evil) is needful to prevent it from spreading, from being seen as 'acceptable'.

And I'm certain that, having seen the violence being directed at protesters in past rallies, each person there knew they were risking their health and their lives to directly confront that evil, and I salute them for so doing.

[H2O Man]

6. Right.

I believe in non-violence. This does not mean that good people are excused from confronting hatred, because hateful people tend to be violent. Rather, it means that we follow the powerful examples of Gandhi and King. And that is what these brave people in Chicago were doing.

[marions ghost]

13. Gandhi and King

---where would we be without them?

Both Gandhi and King believed in peaceful resistance--but it must be real resistance.

I'm sure that the protesters were peaceful until attacked. And even then, most were still following the principles of peaceful protest.

[HEyHEY]

7. Totally agree

The Trump kind of Conservative has no respect for ANYTHING. This is exemplified by the way they hold up the first amendment when people protest them yet spent a considerable amount of energy trying to intimidate others into silence. It's a common trend among the modern Conservative to completely disregard the concepts or rules of democracy unless they are to their advantage.

That means the idea of non violence will be ineffective vs. them. They only understand violence.

That is exactly how fascism spreads. Bust some heads if you need to.

[MrMickeysMom]

14. Yep!

That's what I witnessed, too.

[Buzz Clik]

4. It was a Donnybrook that wasn't. It was not a violent protest.

[Person 2713]

9. +1 really, wtf

[cilla4progress]

5. Yes, and who provoked the violence?

Are you saying the protesters should stay away from Trump rallies? Just let him keep spewing hate in our face?

[BernieforPres2016]

8. I'm 58 and I applaud the protestors

They were nonviolent and the event was open to the public. Trump and the kind of people that support him brought this on.

[alcibiades_mystery]

10. Trump supporters don't get to swing on people, headbutt them, or rip things from their hands

consequence free.

You swing on a dude in Chicago, you will get checked. Period.

Nonviolence is one thing. Enlightened self defense is another.

[IllinoisLabour]

11. I think the left does need to get violent, but not against Trump supporters

Historically, the only thing that has dethroned the elite is fear of physical action by the downtrodden masses. Violence got us 40 hour workweeks, an end to child labor, and overtime pay. Violence toppled monarchies. Nonviolence either gets you shot (MLK) or ignored/ridiculed until you go away (Occupy).

Personally, I'm all for occupying K Street and Wall Street with pitchforks and nooses. Impromptu trials and sentencing for treason sound good to me.

When it comes to Trump rallies, I do agree with you, though. I think standing outside and shouting them down is plenty, especially if we invite news cameras to see it. Let them go inside and have their little Nazi rally without trying to start a fight.

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17. *raises hand*

What is K Street?

[IllinoisLabour]

18. K Street is...

...a street in Washington where a lot of the firms that buy and sell our congress have/used to have offices. It's used in much the same way that "Wall Street" is used to refer to financial firms whether they are on the actual Wall Street or not.

It's basically "Lobbyist Street."

[retrowire]

19. Ahhhh....

Thank you for the info.

And welcome to DU!

[vintx]

15. That wasn't just democrats protesting.

It wasn't 'just' any one group.

Trump has threatened, insulted, and offended many groups - and the people protesting his latest hate rally were made up of members of all of those groups, in addition to Bernie's supporters who are of course nonviolent.

Trump has offered to bail his supporters out if they're arrested for being violent, to pay their legal fees if they're sued. Violence is not being started by those standing against this racist POS, it's being reacted to by those who aren't willing to silently let those types spread their sickness.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

16. Where was all this violence?

That's a sincere question.

I saw the same three shoving matches played over and over and over again on MSNBC.

And I saw a bunch of protesters protesting in their own neighborhood/school. trump was an idiot for thinking his shit would fly in that neighborhood.

[BernieforPres2016]

20. It was right on the edge of violence

I saw two different episodes where people were shouting at each other and one threw a wild punch that just missed. In each case they were pulled apart. Had anybody landed a punch I think it would quickly escalated into a melee.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

21. Yeah. I saw it too. On an endless loop on MSNBC.

[vintx]

22. Rightwingers are posting video and pics on twitter blaming liberals for violence

no idea if it's from Chicago last night though. People with bloody faces, people blocking ambulances, etc.

They just make things up and enough people repeat it and not enough people challenge it.

[840high]

23. Yes they are. Some sites are

blaming MoveOn and Soros.

[mcar]

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