Sanders Accepts Challenge to Kill TPP If Elected... Nothing from Clinton So Far

[Ferd Berfel]

http://www.commondreams.org/news/2016/03/12/sanders-accepts-challenge-kill-tpp-if-elected-nothing-clinton-so-far

Talking trade policy in Ohio, Sanders also picks up key endorsement from Congresswomen Marcy Kaptur

Accepting a challenge and passing it on ahead of primary voting in Ohio and elsewhere on Tuesday, Sen. Bernie Sanders vowed that if elected president he would refuse to present the contoversial TransPacific Partnership (TPP) agreement to Congress and asked his rival Hillary Clinton to join him in that pledge.

America could have no stronger Democratic leader for jobs in America, for fair trade and for economic progress for all, not just the privileged few, than Bernie Sanders." —Rep. Marcy Kaptur (D-Ohio)

As he spoke about trade policy and other key issues to a packed indoor stadium in Toledo on Friday night, Sanders told the crowd that if voters turn out in the manner they did recently in Michigan, his campaign will continue to surprise pollsters and the establishment media pundits who have continually downplayed the seriousness of his campaign and its supporters.

[revbones]

1. She can't upset her donors... nt

[cantbeserious]

21. The Oligarchs, Corporations And Banks Will Demand Payback For Their Investment Of Millions

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-02-27/snowden-sums-presidential-campaign-just-one-tweet

[Faux pas]

2. Kickin'

[IllinoisLabour]

3. Of course she wouldn't kill it; it's the "gold standard" n/t

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[pberq]

4. The goal of TPP is to privatize everything and return us to feudalism

From an interview with economist Michael Hudson (emphasis added):

http://michael-hudson.com/2016/02/the-commanding-heights/

. . .The cover story pretends to be about trade, but the real agenda is to force privatization and disable government regulation. This reverses what was central to the whole Progressive Era. For the last 300 years, the assumption of Europe and North America was that you were going to have a mixed economy, with governments investing in infrastructure, roads and other transportation, communications, water and sewer systems, gas and electricity. The role of government infrastructure was to provide these basic needs at minimum cost in order to promote a low-cost, competitive economy. That’s how America got rich. That’s how Germany industrialized and how the rest of Europe did. But the aim of the Trans-Pacific Partnership is to reverse and privatize public investment. Its ideology is that the economy should be owned and operated by private owners, private enterprise, whose aim is short-term profit.

There are a number of related aims: to nullify environmental protection regulations that cost money, to nullify protection of labor, and to nullify attempts to tax natural resources or economic rent. The idea is to turn roads and the transport system into toll roads, which will be owned by foreigners and run at a high charge. The Internet and the water system will be sold off and made into toll systems, to charge for their services and for other basic needs. This will impose a neo-feudal rentier economy throughout the world as the finance, industrial and real estate (FIRE) sector takes over the government sector.

I think you could say that at the broadest level, the idea is to roll back the Enlightenment and restore feudalism. That may sound like an extreme statement, but people don’t realize how radical the TPP’s investment agreements are. For instance, when Australia raised the charges on cigarettes and included health warnings on the packs, Philip Morris sued, insisting that Australia pay it what Philip Morris would have made if people would have continued to smoke and get cancer at the existing rate. . .

[MisterP]

8. no, even serfs got days off!

they've collapsed every form of economic repression throughout history into one convenient abomination

[Fuddnik]

15. Serfin' USA! Hillary's new campaign song.

Or Slip-Sliding Away.

[truedelphi]

34. Thanks Fuddnik -- I needed that! n/t

[Ferd Berfel]

38. LOL

good one.

I may have to spend some time writing those lyrics

[ThePhilosopher04]

56. I prefer "Bernin' Down the House"

[PyaarRevolution]

41. Couldn't agree more.

Definitely agree. We all know where these assholes want to move even past TPP but everyone pretends that there aren't crazy people who want it.

[Ferd Berfel]

10. Hillary, Obama and the Democratic Leadership

all HAVE to know this.

So why are they pushing it and, is it too late for us?

[BernieforPres2016]

16. John Oliver did a great piece a year ago on Phillip Morris suing foreign governments

and the promotions they did locally to try to get kids hooked on cigarettes.

[truedelphi]

35. I remember that piece.

And he did a cost analysis (only Oliver and/or Stewart can make such a thing funny.)

The corporations, oops! PEOPLE like Phillip Morris have at their disposal those funds to fight somet issue harmful to their profits off in some third world nation that is equivalent to that nation's entire educational budget!

[AzDar]

5. Who can believe what Hillary says, anyway?

She says whatever she thinks needs to be said to WIN.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-naiman/chamber-of-commerce-lobby_b_9104096.html

[truedelphi]

36. MY Fingers are crossed that Bernie gets in and I wont ' need to dust off my little

"Liar in Chief" from back in the Nixon era.

[Ino]

6. Oh goodie!

I await the former FLOTUS's reply

[bigwillq]

7. Why would somone want to "kill" the Gold Standard?

[Helen Borg]

9. Go Bernie!

Get the bastards!

[SoapBox]

11. Cut it out you guys! She just needs to EVOLVE!

And of course, whatever she says, she's got to copy Bernie...unless it's something that she has misspoke about.



No...More...Clintons...Ever!

[Ferd Berfel]

12. com'on it's gonna be Chelsea's turn next

[TheFarseer]

13. Duh cause shes secretly in favor of it.

The only question is will she switch to in favor after she wins the nomination or the general election.

[NCjack]

14. Hillary is busy triangulating a position: How may I (appear to) serve you? /nt

[Harcourdt Fenton Mud]

17. Her hands are tied

by Goldman handcuffs.

[Fuddnik]

18. She'll either keep avoiding a stance before the election, or let Obama take the heat for it.

Then, just like Bill, with NAFTA, "decide" after the election to sign it.

[dchill]

19. There's nothing to stop her from SAYING she'd kill it.

She'll say anything. Pledge, shmedge.

[A Simple Game]

37. She will probably say she would kill it as it's presently worded. n/t

[NWCorona]

20. The new meme taking shape is that

Bernie is a white nationalist because he apposed these trade agreements.

So sad.

[Fawke Em]

30. Must be a meme among friends because I've not seen it at all.

[NWCorona]

31. I've seen it on Twitter by a few people that I back and forth with

Not a lot of people but it does seem to be growing.

[noiretextatique]

46. I have seen it on Facebook

Fortunately, it was posted by a persistent idiot who has a few folks who rip his nonsense to shreds.

[NWCorona]

49. Sweet!

I'm glad it wasn't allowed to stand.

[noiretextatique]

53. No...we are on to him

He is shilling for Hillary. He does it so much, I think he gets paid

[Ferd Berfel]

57. So these people are supporting the New World Order

over America? They prefer having Americans (their friends and children and maybe even themselves) competing with 50 cent per hour workers in other countries. They prefer having Corporate tribunals in other countries making decision about what THEY can and cannot do in their own towns.

Interesting.

I'd say that they are no longer Americans. They are something else entirely

[Trust Buster]

22. Shutting down trade with Asia would be a foolish move IMO.

Asia is the fastest growing geographical area on the whole planet.

[PoliticAverse]

23. The TPP hasn't been ratified by the Senate and we are currently trading with Asia. n/t

[Trust Buster]

25. The TPP hasn't been ratified by the Senate and we've been losing millions of manufacturing

jobs to Asia because corporations are chasing cheap Third World labor all around this global economy.

[Arizona Roadrunner]

24. TPP

Bernie has pointed out Clinton's statements of support for the companies in India bringing contract H-1b employees to the USA and Michigan. He also should say this is why we need to see what she told Goldman-Sachs for the $675,000. How much support did she give them? After all, Goldman-Sachs probably tax deducted the "expense" and therefore we have standing to ask what did we get for either paying more taxes or getting less services as a result of the deduction.

Also, she is "currently" against TPP. However the US Chamber of Commerce has put out a message to it's membership that after the election, they are sure she will find reasons to be "currently" in favor of TPP

http://downwithtyranny.blogspot.com/2016/02/chamber-of-commerce-chief-tom-donohue.html
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-naiman/chamber-of-commerce-

Also, say goodbye to minimum wage increases by State and Local governments. All a corporation will do is declare that a raise in minimum wages will adversely effect their profits. How many State and Local governments can afford such a fight by corporations using the TPP ISDS dispute resolution process designed by and for multi-national corporations? You will now have corporations able to use this dispute resolution process to sue all levels and forms of governments. Does this sound like giving up governmental sovereignty for corporate profits? Follow the money.....

[Gwhittey]

26. Come on "Give me a Break" -Jebb!

It is a Saturday and polls are hard to run on Sat. Please wait to Monday at least to get her views on this. Plus her staff has to find a new polling place because last one found 75% of Americans found Nancy Reagan was a hero of LGBT/AIDS movement. And this was a new pollster place after the ones in Michigan failed badly.

[ucrdem]

27. I'm really disgusted that Sanders is claiming to be a Democrat while demagoguing against this.

Seriously. If it hasn't been abundantly clear to anyone exactly what game is being played here it should be now.

[djean111]

32. That's funny - Only the GOP and the DINO's voted for Fast Track. Only 13 "Democrats" voted for it.

And this is really cementing corporate rule over sovereign countries.

[Ferd Berfel]

39. Correct

There are still some actual Democrats out there. And Bernie is one.

[noiretextatique]

47. So you support TPP?

Hmmm....

[Nitram]

28. Let's just let China set the agenda for trade and security in the Pacific region.

[Ken Burch]

45. That's not the only alternative.

And China's economy is now collapsing anyway.

[Nitram]

50. No, China' economy is not Collapsing. No one actually thinks that.

It is undergoing a badly-needed adjustment. Underestimating China would be the equivalent of underestimating Trump. Or Sanders.

[Ken Burch]

52. Ok, in severe decline.

Either way, it's no longer necessary to play by China's rules. We can get out of the race to the bottom.

[Merryland]

29. Bernie is brilliant n/t

[turbinetree]

33. We do not need someone saying that after........................

the election they will have some people look into the issue and then get back to us on what they are going to do.......................after the blue ribbon panel says whatever they are going to say, because somewhere they had dealing with the same corporations, oligarchies that got what they wanted last time------------------------not this time................

Sander's has been saying from day one that he wants to re-open these "trade deals", his principles have not budged on iota on this issue.

At one time I can remeber that it was the "Its the economy stupid" from the past Clinton(s) team-------------apparently its been lost.................

She has painted herself into a corner and flip flopped, well..........................I thought of these two songs about Clinton, I hope no one minds in my taste, but sometimes songs express thought and feelings better

Honk-----------------------for a political revolution Bernie

[A Simple Game]

40. One of my favorite groups, thanks for posting. n/t

[turbinetree]

42. Yep............................your welcome.....................

it was one of the first things I thought about, and another set of song(s) and then this .............

Honk--------------for a political revolution Bernie 2016

[undergroundpanther]

43. Another reason bernie. He has my vote

Hes had it since he started running but still..another good excellent reason to vote for him.

[Enthusiast]

44. Kicked and recommended to the Max!

Yay, Bernie! Yay, Marcy!

[Uncle Joe]

48. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, Ferd Berfel.

[TheDormouse]

51. Nothing from Hillary? Don't hold your breath nt

[thereismore]

54. She just said she can't support it in its present form, which means, let's just change

one comma to a semi-colon and we're good to go! Everybody knows she really supports TPP. She's got nothing to say to us plebeians and she does not report to us. We are just vehicles for votes.

[JEB]

55. K&R