2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumWhy do people think Sanders is unelectable even though he beats Trump and Cruz by bigger margins
than Clinton does?
revbones
(3,660 posts)Or Bernie and his supporters are *insert word similar to racistssexistsetc...*
Bestuserever
(95 posts)Hoyt
(54,770 posts)Garrett78
(10,721 posts)It's funny that some of the same folks who talk about polls and predictions being worthless have quite the strong attachment to hypothetical match-up polls that are historically inaccurate and, quite frankly, meaningless. Until the nominees are determined and the 2 are focused on campaigning against one another (with the backing of their party and PACs and whatnot), match-up polling is worthless.
bigwillq
(72,790 posts)And those polls will change many, many times once the nominees are decided.
ibegurpard
(17,077 posts)On propaganda to convince them so.
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)He's electable.
gcomeau
(5,764 posts)They're so traumatized by GOP capture of the political narrative calling the nation right leaning for several decades that now even when the polls are right in front of them they can't believe a real liberal can win. Their captors are right. We need to play nice with them and run someone just a little less right and call that a "moderate" then consider it a win.
gwheezie
(3,580 posts)But I'm not going to insist Bernie can't win a GE. There are negatives for either Hillary or Bernie that the GOP will attack them with.
PonyUp
(1,680 posts)own/control the media, pay people to shill for hillary, and donate big money to her campaign.
ThePhilosopher04
(1,732 posts)Say it loud enough and often enough and people start to believe it. Typical right wing tactics.
LWolf
(46,179 posts)they can shut down some voters for Bernie.
It doesn't have to be true. It just has to work.
A tried and true Clinton campaign strategy.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Keep in mind that Hillary's poll numbers INCLUDE the effects of many years of attacks in the past, and the current ongoing attacks ... she's swimming in the deep end WITH the sharks. Bernie's still in the relatively safe waters of the kiddie pool.
He'd only be considered a "threat" if he were actually the nominee, and at that point their attentions would turn and he'd be at their ruthless mercy.
That's why.
longship
(40,416 posts)Here he is in rather high dudgeon on the matter:
Jenny_92808
(1,342 posts)I couldn't agree with you more, Cenk!
MisterP
(23,730 posts)don't look things out for yourselves, don't spoil what we have, we're looking out for you
vote for me, not for yourselves, and DEFINITELY don't vote for someone not on your street/city/state
noamnety
(20,234 posts)If they really believed he was unelectable, they wouldn't be spending this much effort trying to make sure he isn't elected.
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)braddy
(3,585 posts)dcbuckeye
(85 posts)Wait until the GOP attack machine unleashes their negative attacks on Bernie, calling him a communist, draft dodger, etc... Once that begins, the election will be over and Trump will be president. I've seen it before, Kerry, Dukakis.
Gwhittey
(1,377 posts)On Hillary are being made from inside a Federal Court room where she is defending herself.
Bestuserever
(95 posts)Kerry had a good chance to win but ran a terrible and cowardly campaign. All he had to do to combat the swift-boat attacks was mention Bush's AWOL that he was never arrested for because of his powerful daddy.
Maedhros
(10,007 posts)And they believe what they are told, despite evidence to the contrary.
Hero worship is a hell of a drug.
grossproffit
(5,591 posts)grossproffit
(5,591 posts)My husband won't but it's still early. I can be pretty persuasive and he's an awful liar.
kcr
(15,522 posts)The tired old saw that this country is too conservative and and would never elect a liberal is still entrenched. But Bernie is showing that progressive ideas can win in this country. People are coming around.