Town Hall TONIGHT on CNN @ 8pm - Sanders vs Clinton

[quantass]

Sorry if this is known. I just read it on CNN now. Didnt see this town hall mentioned on the 2016 Primary Debates listings

[itsrobert]

1. Hopefully they don't let Sanders answer every question by going into his stump speech

and not giving details.

[Kall]

2. Mmhmm

[winter is coming]

5. Life's a bitch when you have a string in your back. n/t

[Jackilope]

30. Or triangulating by Golden Cufflinks to Goldman Sachs. N/T

[stevenleser]

141. Women don't wear cufflinks. nt

[Jackilope]

145. Arrrrrgggh -- Hand Cuffs! TY

[stevenleser]

142. LOL, too true! nt

[Motown_Johnny]

17. When his stump speech addresses real issues, it is easy to answer questions with it.

Hillary will never have that problem.

[tazkcmo]

27. Well bless your heart!

You are too cute, by far!

[cal04]

3. Live links/CNN

http://www.cnn.com
http://go.cnn.com/?stream=cnn

[2banon]

6. well this doesn't work unless you're a paid subscriber to one of the companies carrying the stream.

this is a drag. doesn't work unless you're a paid subscriber to one of the companies carrying the stream.

I got to watch about 3 minutes of it before it told my preview had timed out Is C-Span broadcasting I wonder?

[cal04]

10. didn't realize that here's another

[noretreatnosurrender]

4. Can't Watch

Thank you for posting. I was watching it on CNN via computer because I don't have cable. It just clicked off and told me my preview was over. It offends me deeply that corporations not only try to buy elections but that they can also prevent the American people from even watching debates or townhalls to decide who will be president unless we pay for their product. How messed up is that!

[2banon]

7. me too. I'm going to see if I can find it on C-Span stream.

[white_wolf]

8. Link here:

[me b zola]

9. TY so much for this

[Snotcicles]

20. +1.nt

[2banon]

19. Thank YOU so much!

Will try to subscribe to the provider.. thank you again!

[DLnyc]

25. Yes, I did find that one, thank you!

DU is a great resource this way!

Thanks for all the responses!

[2banon]

14. Nope, C-Span isn't broadcasting either.

[cyberpj]

21. Did you find something? See this thread, post #8. nt

[DLnyc]

15. I just got booted from CNN too.

Yes, it's crazy that CNN makes you pay a toll in order to participate in the political process!

What an eff'd up place we've gotten to in this country!

Anybody know how to get to see this debate for non-TV subscribers? Will a video be made available later?

What a fucked up system!

[cyberpj]

22. Did you find something? See this thread, post #8. nt

[itsrobert]

11. It's not a "vs" format

Let's not overhype this.

[cyberpj]

12. Not trying to overhype, only trying to inform anyone interested.

Whether a "vs" format or not -- the people get to see and hear the candidates and ask questions.

[winter is coming]

13. Know how I knew you weren't overhyping?

You didn't say, "Sunday, Sunday, SUNDAY!!!!!"

[cyberpj]

16. LOL. Tx. Nice username :)

[TheDormouse]

23. Bernie looking a bit grim there when listening to questions

Wonder if he is just tired, or maybe has a bit of a cold or something.

His answers sound good, though.

I'm a lot younger than him, but I don't think I could keep up with the grueling schedule of campaigning.

[bklyncowgirl]

28. He's doing great and the crowd is eating it up.

Let's face it, he's got one of those 'get off my lawn faces' at the best of times. He seems natural, relaxed and he's having fun. I was saying to my husband that he and Trump seem to be the ones having fun, one positive one extremely negative.

[nolabels]

33. Same thing would happen to you if you were traveling down the freeway at the posted speed and.......

some other guy pulls on going twenty-five miles an hour. You get nervous because people who unaware of their surroundings often also puts extra responsibility on those cognizant of the situation. I am also pretty sure you wouldn't want somebody crashing into the back of the auto you are traveling in because of some unaware driver in front of you.

Guess it just goes back to what level you are at

[Snotcicles]

24. Bernie in his element, straight up talking truth to folks. There is nothing complicated about it. nt

[cyberpj]

26. Easy to do when you have nothing to hide. nt

[cyberpj]

29. You really do notice that it's like talking to a friend vs. being addressed by a lifetime politician

[cyberpj]

31. I Just LOVE how there's always someone right in the front of every event that gets the same

little hand wave and broad smile from HIllary.

Almost like it's a pre-appearance requirement.

Am I the only one who's picked up on this.

Enter.
Locate.
Wave and Smile.
Start.

[Purveyor]

32. I noticed the chair swapping that I thought odd

[cyberpj]

34. Could have been a height difference for camera purposes?

[BlueStateLib]

40. there were only 2 chairs on stage after roland martin left during sanders segment

roland martin left when the audience started asking questions to both candidates

[Ino]

39. ... or a point

[cyberpj]

50. Yep. THAT's the face! Precedes every single event. nt

[bklyncowgirl]

35. Hillary's wearing her Captain Kangaroo suit tonight!

I know I shouldn't say this. God knows that it's hard for a woman to get good professional wear that looks great on her but I don't think this look does anything for her.

Actually the captain's outfit was red but otherwise it's a pretty close match.

Looking closer this jacket lacks the white piping around the collar but the white around the pockets looks the same.

[riversedge]

52. If you know you shouldn't say something then be wise and not say it IMHO

[gemit2000]

102. Was it alright for me to enter the search terms 'Captain', 'Kangaroo', and 'Blue' into Google... IYHO?

If not I apologize for such base instincts (btw, I was always very fond of him and Mr.Green Jeans as well)

[bklyncowgirl]

137. I have many happy childhood memories of the Captain and Sanders ain't no GQ model either.

If you're a guy your outfit is predetermined. Nice fitting Dark blue or charcoal suite. Pastel or white button down shirt and of course the tie. It's hard to mess that up but Bernie at times rises to the occasion with poor fitting suits and 'gasp" sporting a brown suit at a debate. (confession, I really liked that brown suit.)

Women have more choices but with choice comes responsibility and a bigger chance to screw it up.

[dinkytron]

71. You don't make America great by making fun of somebody's nautical outfit.

[longship]

122. Hillary is extremely sartorially challenged.

Whoever dresses her has zero taste.

Not sure whether Bernie is much better.


Neither one are going to get on a Vogue cover.

[bklyncowgirl]

126. You know that's OK with me.

[JackRiddler]

130. I have absolutely no problem with her wardrobe.

I like the Dr. Evil suits.

The only thing I'd ever bother to mention is that she wore the gold suit a) for a Goldman speech, the one with the picture everyone sees and b) for the debate immediately after the speeches became an issue. Feels like a message, maybe, maybe not.

[brentspeak]

36. Note that Hillary didn't give a direct answer

to the question of what happens to already-skilled workers who lose their jobs to foreign competition.

[TheDormouse]

103. yes, I noticed nt

[Barack_America]

37. Bernie's close was amazingly heartfelt.

So obviously sincere.

The rest of it was not so interesting, compared to recent debates.

Maybe I have a bit of campaign fatigue too, lol.

[cannabis_flower]

38. Is there a link

Where I can watch from the beginning and not live since I missed the beginning?

[cyberpj]

41. Maybe not until the event is over. Then check YouTube and/or The Young Turks site. Probably CNN too.

[Ino]

42. Who thinks she'll get a standing ovation when finished? (nt)

Last edited Sun Mar 13, 2016, 10:03 PM - Edit history (1)

Edited to add: Yep, there it is! So spontaneous!

[beam me up scottie]

43. Death penalty question... Good.

She needs to answer for her support of it.

[noamnety]

45. Saying the states aren't capable of fair trials

but federal juries can?

[beam me up scottie]

48. Sickening how she can look him in the eye and say that.

[Kittycat]

53. Completely choking up.

I can't even imagine. 39 years a lifetime stolen, and his life almost taken. There is nothing anyone can say to take that pain away.

[beam me up scottie]

57. I know, he was traumatized, no amount of money can make up for what happened to him.

And how many innocent were executed that we'll never know about?

[Kittycat]

70. Or those developmentally disabled

I'm not condoning the crime. I think competency/comprehension is a concern, too. But concern aside - I just don't support the death penalty. If someone dies during war, escaping arrest, etc - totally different than being convicted and housed in jail. They are in jail. It's making the choice to then take a life. I'd rather the person live alone in a cell with their reality, than to just be excused from it.

[beam me up scottie]

76. Remember Ricky Ray Rector?

Bill Clinton gave the go ahead to execute a child in a man's body, no matter how heinous his crimes were that man didn't deserve to be murdered by the state.

He didn't know what would happen to him, he saved his pie for later.

[Kittycat]

89. yes.

I just can't. I don't understand how they were okay with that.

[Uponthegears]

105. Given Bill murdered an incompetent human being

it might not seem like that big of a deal, but Ricky Rector was also tortured before he died. Arkansas used guards with paramedic training to set the IV's used to inject the lethal drugs. During Ricky's execution, they couldn't find a vein so they took a scalpel and carved a bunch of 1/4-1/3 inch deep trenches in his thigh (might have been arm) to expose the veins.

All the time, Bill sat there, undoubtedly pleased with how he had shown present-day Trump supporters how a Clinton deals with "predators."

[beam me up scottie]

109. I don't know all of the details but murdering a prisoner is in itself torture.

Since the drugs that are normally used in executions are now hard to come by Tennessee is trying to decide whether or not to bring back the firing squad and are still willing to use the electric chair if necessary.

They are actually debating about the most HUMANE way to kill a person.

It's unconscionable.

[Uponthegears]

129. +1000

Tennessee is worse than a joke.

They had their old drug supply seized by the FDA because they and Georgia illegally bought it from some potentially rat-infested lab in India and tried to sneak it across the border. They brought back the electric chair after TWO deep-Red state had found that it was torture.

Now the firing squad?

Perhaps they forgot what happened to Robespierre?

[beedle]

55. She 'evolved' right before our eyes

Last month she thought it was okay for the states as long as they met stringent standards, and that the Feds should 'rethink' it.

[beam me up scottie]

66. Depends what day it is, who's in the audience, what the polls say, etc.

[noamnety]

73. You and I had the exact same take on that.

We were typing at the same time. It wasn't just me that picked up on it then.

[beedle]

97. yeah, I saw that :-)

[Kittycat]

74. We have add it the list of clips.

[cyberpj]

44. Great question on Hillarys death penalty position from a man found not guilty after 25 yrs in prison

She says she wants it for terrorists.

[Broward]

47. She's still "evolving" on the issue.

[noamnety]

56. She seemed to be evolving on the spot

with a deer in headlights look as she was trying to put together an answer.

What I understood was that she will "breathe a sigh of relief" if states come to the decision on their own to do away with the death penalty. Did I miss something in her history? Has she been speaking out against it at all?

[Broward]

63. Not that I'm aware of.

Btw, I like your characterization. She was evolving in the moment.

[beedle]

68. Not really

She was okay with it last month as long as the states met rigid standards.

[EndElectoral]

59. Yeah, she wants vengeance selectively, and believes only the federal govt can do it correctly

It is her new evolved position after the crime bill during Bill's administration jumped up death row sentences.

So her essential position is the federal govt should take a life only if they deem the act is egregious enough.

I disagree with that. The act of "vengeance" of taking a life for a life doesn't fix anything. It's simply vengeance.

[beam me up scottie]

46. Hold death penalty in reserve for terrorists, gmafb

[Broward]

49. It's all just a political calculation on her part.

She can't come out against it because she thinks she'll lose voters on the right. She can't come out completely for it because she fears that she'll lose voters on the left. She is unwilling to take a stand.

[oregonjen]

51. She stumbled through her answer and looked very awkward doing so

[Broward]

54. I agree, nt.

[beam me up scottie]

60. Agreed, she panders to the right all the time.

Tough on crime, tough on terrorism but she cares.

[femmedem]

62. Yes. She said she hoped the States and Supreme Court would limit it

but did not say she would pressure them or lead on the issue.

[Gregorian]

61. He didn't look very convinced.

[beam me up scottie]

69. He wanted to hear from a someone who empathized, not a politician.

[Ino]

58. I don't buy this woman's story about her health insurance! (nt)

[cyberpj]

67. It happened in our family as well. There are rather large potholes that many fall through. nt

[Ino]

80. OK, one more reason this ACA has to be replaced then!

It worked for me... sorta. I have insurance for $10/month, but I can't afford the deductible... and it seems everything is a deductible item.

Doctor prescribed me 10mg dose of some medicine, but insurance would cover only a 5mg dose. I would have to satisfy a $7000 deductible before they would cover a 10mg dose! We're not talking about an expensive med... it was only like $36/month full price. So screw it... I don't take anything at all as the 5mg didn't do the trick.

[Barack_America]

86. Family gap. Dems allowed it to get the ACA passed.

Horrible for middle class families.

[bklyncowgirl]

78. There are winners and losers in the ACA.

My daughter's one of the winners. She doesn't make a great deal and she got a good policy at very low cost. This woman probably makes too much to qualify for a subsidy. She could very well have ended up on the losing end.

[Ino]

87. I didn't realize it could be that bad, thanks (nt)

[bklyncowgirl]

96. That's why I don't like income based programs.

Inevitably, the levels at which the subsidies peter out are way too for some parts of the country.

[tom_kelly]

64. She seems tired

And appears drained.

[cyberpj]

65. Weren't ALL Health INsurers non-profit before the 80's era?

[cyberpj]

75. Found some wiki info:

President Harry S. Truman proposed a system of public health insurance in his November 19, 1945, address. He envisioned a national system that would be open to all Americans, but would remain optional. Participants would pay monthly fees into the plan, which would cover the cost of any and all medical expenses that arose in a time of need. The government would pay for the cost of services rendered by any doctor who chose to join the program. In addition, the insurance plan would give a cash balance to the policy holder to replace wages lost due to illness or injury. The proposal was quite popular with the public, but it was fiercely opposed by the Chamber of Commerce, the American Hospital Association, and the AMA, which denounced it as "socialism."[27]

Foreseeing a long and costly political battle, many labor unions chose to campaign for employer-sponsored coverage, which they saw as a less desirable but more achievable goal, and as coverage expanded the national insurance system lost political momentum and ultimately failed to pass. Using health care and other fringe benefits to attract the best employees, private sector, white-collar employers nationwide expanded the U.S. health care system. Public sector employers followed suit in an effort to compete. Between 1940 and 1960, the total number of people enrolled in health insurance plans grew seven-fold, from 20,662,000 to 142,334,000,[28] and by 1958, 75% of Americans had some form of health coverage.[29]

[DefenseLawyer]

72. Either that insurance questioner is lying or she had really bad insurance

$400 a month for her whole family? Only with a $10,000 deductible and a ridiculously low cap on benefits.

[Barack_America]

82. I thought Hillary was for the public option?

Why didn't she mention it?

None of this works without the public option.

[2banon]

121. When did Hillary come around to supporting Public Option position?

Her relationships with Health Insurance Industry seemed to be on par with each other, so it surprises me to read here that she is in favor of the Public Option. And certainly couldn't tell that tonight from Hillary's comments in response to the woman whose story is all too common, but wouldn't be a problem at all if if if if if if if only, Single Payer was the path chosen instead of the massive windfall to a very corrupt industry, the health INSURANCE industry.


Thanks to the Turd Wayers we couldn't even manage to get the Public OPTION on the table, despite DEMS holding MAJORITY in BOTH HOUSES.


FFS remembering that fight leaves a very bitter taste in my mouth right now. arrgggh.

[Barack_America]

125. She "evolved" to support it in late February.

I guess she has "evolved" away already.

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/02/hillary-clinton-health-care-bernie-sanders-219643

[2banon]

144. ahh. that's what I figured. ..

[Kali]

85. yep

Hillary handled it OK though. can't call the woman a dipshit or a liar, advising to keep shopping was probably the best she could say.

[cyberpj]

77. Oh boy... FRACKING Questions! nt

[noamnety]

81. Communities should decide if fracking is allowed. (nt)

[elleng]

92. Swell, that's just what we want NOT,

enable kochs etc to spend a few more billions on communities in 50 states.

[beedle]

100. And if fracking Fs up the water table for several communities?

Strange fact .... contaminated water tables don't always respect community borders. Go figure.

[noamnety]

112. The problem is in and out of the community border.

Yes to what you said, absolutely. And also there is the problem of who in the community gets a voice - the landowner who sign a contract? 51% of the voters? a dozen people on a town council who are looking for campaign donations? The children?

[EndElectoral]

84. Seems her strategy is "blame the states, and only communities and fed. government can get it

Here's how she dealt with local communities not wanting fracking in Bulgaria.

http://www.motherjones.com/environment/2014/09/hillary-clinton-fracking-shale-state-department-chevron

ONE ICY MORNING in February 2012, Hillary Clinton's plane touched down in the Bulgarian capital, Sofia, which was just digging out from a fierce blizzard. Wrapped in a thick coat, the secretary of state descended the stairs to the snow-covered tarmac, where she and her aides piled into a motorcade bound for the presidential palace. That afternoon, they huddled with Bulgarian leaders, including Prime Minister Boyko Borissov, discussing everything from Syria's bloody civil war to their joint search for loose nukes. But the focus of the talks was fracking. The previous year, Bulgaria had signed a five-year, $68 million deal, granting US oil giant Chevron millions of acres in shale gas concessions. Bulgarians were outraged. Shortly before Clinton arrived, tens of thousands of protesters poured into the streets carrying placards that read "Stop fracking with our water" and "Chevron go home." Bulgaria's parliament responded by voting overwhelmingly for a fracking moratorium.


Clinton urged Bulgarian officials to give fracking another chance.

[SamKnause]

79. Hillary just said she doesn't take money from private prisons ???

Is this true ???

[DiehardLiberal]

83. My ears pricked up on that because I thought I read that her PACs get money from that industry..

Look forward to more informed comments on this.

[DefenseLawyer]

91. She stopped taking it after she got called out on it.

Shocking, I know.

[beedle]

94. Maybe, maybe not

She promised to stop doing so in Oct.

But there are PACs that are "not under her control' (wink, wink, nudge nudge, say no more) that might still be accepting such monies.

[Kittycat]

101. Article

http://huffpost.com/us/entry/marco-rubio-and-hillary-clinton-accepted_b_9191868.html

Clinton's Ready for Hillary PAC received $133,246 from lobbying firms linked to GEO and CCA. Rubio's PACs and campaign have taken a total of $133,450 from private prison companies or groups that lobby on their behalf. Bush's campaign and his Right to Rise Super PAC have received $21,700 from lobbying groups affiliated with GEO and CCA.

Snip...

As for the reaction from Latino and African American civil rights organizations, these groups pressured Clinton to stop taking the prison lobby's money, as illustrated in a Huffington Post article titled Hillary Clinton Says She'll End Private Prisons, Stop Accepting Their Money:

Lobbying firms that work for two major private prison giants, GEO Group and Corrections Corporation of America, gave $133,246 to the Ready for Hillary PAC,according to Vice. Those companies operate a number of criminal and immigrant detention facilities, some of which have been plagued by allegations of abuse and poor treatment of detainees.

Immigrant and civil rights groups have urged Clinton to stop accepting contributions from donors with ties to GEO and CCA. Earlier Thursday, in announcing its co-founder Cesar Vargas was moving to the campaign of Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.), the advocacy group Dream Action Coalition singled out Clinton for accepting those contributions.

Sanders recently introduced a bill to ban government contracts for private prisons, including immigrant detention centers.

It's unknown if Clinton would have still accepted prison lobbyist contributions had these groups not pressured the former Secretary of State. What's also surprising is that Jeb Bush actually received less money ($21,700) than Clinton, from the same interests that target a key voter base among Democrats.

In contrast to Clinton, Rubio, and Bush, Senator Bernie Sanders has been outspoken in his desire to ban private prisons, as stated in a USA Today piece titled Bernie Sanders seeks to ban private prisons

[SamKnause]

110. Thank you.

[TheDormouse]

113. ^'Bernie has been outspoken'--The policy differences between them aren't insignificant nt

[Kittycat]

123. Exactly. Always outspoken, never took a dime, didn't have to be told

Or have support withdrawn. Pretty clear to me.

[firebrand80]

88. Hillary is such a policy wonk nt

[Broward]

90. Hillary says that she doesn't want to make a promise that she can't keep re: banning fracking.

She uses this line to withhold taking clear positions on many issues. It's not about making promises that she can't keep, it's about the fear that she'll piss off her campaign donors. Also, it's about not making statements that she fears will be used against her in a general election.

[EndElectoral]

93. It's a politicians' way of deflecting.

[elleng]

95. Right.

Tell us your GOALS and WE'll decide whether to support you or not.

[appalachiablue]

99. Check.

[Gregorian]

104. That's why I love how Bernie Sanders is beholden to US. Haha.

[appalachiablue]

98. A very long indirect response to the man's question how she would combat Trumpf.

[beedle]

106. Hillary has more votes ....

.... makes sense, she's just at the end of her firewall, early in a two person Dem race, and the Repubs had up to 17 candidates in their race ... if she didn't have the most votes at this point that would be embarrassing .... but that hardly gives her bragging rights. I guess it's a 'point', but not a very good one.

[Barack_America]

111. Shh. Truth doesn't matter.

Would've been nice if the "moderators" had done their job and pointed this out.

[Gregorian]

107. Oh so Hillary is fracking because she cares about the people working in the oil industry.

All said in a heartbreaking tone. Where's my kleenex?

[elleng]

108. Right,

SUCH a difficult issue!

[Barack_America]

114. What a complete waste of time this town hall has been.

[DiehardLiberal]

115. Stamped.

[Barack_America]

117. Sorry?

[DiehardLiberal]

119. I meant that I agree with you.

[Barack_America]

136. Okay. Sorry. I think daylight saving is getting to me.

And that town hall didn't help.

Zzzzzzz.

[DiehardLiberal]

138. I'm with you - YAWN... except Bernie did do well.

[awake]

118. I do not know, Bernie went well but Hillary seemed to crash and Burn

But I could not keep watching the 2nd half it became too painful I amy have missed some of her best stuff

[Barack_America]

124. Highlights: the public option is gone from her health plan.

And she's going to "put coal miners out of work", but feels really bad about it.

Strange responses allowed to let stand given zero participation by the moderators.

[awake]

128. For real? eastern Ohio has miners still right

[Barack_America]

132. It was a strange response.

And completely unnecessary given the softball suggestion by Roland that she "pitch herself" to poor white voters in OH, WV and KY.

[awake]

133. I missed that interchange could you bring me up to speed?

Thanks

[Barack_America]

134. Not the ideal source, but they've got it...

http://www.weeklystandard.com/clinton-were-going-to-put-a-lot-of-coal-miners-and-coal-companies-out-of-business/article/2001541

Curious of your thoughts.

[awake]

135. Thanks for the link can't watch now will get back to you once I view it

[awake]

139. Shit! All that the miners heard was she would put them out of work

No way will they believe that she will take care of them, no one trusts her. I can not understand how she got this far she has no ability to think on her feet I am very afraid of her as our candidate.

[Barack_America]

140. I just made it an OP. Conservative media and WV Dems are losing their shit already.

Only thing she can do to make this easier is to pay for the attack ad with her SuperPAC.

[awake]

143. thanks, people need to know how fuck we will be if she get the nomination

Hillary could takes us all down she is such a bad candidate.

[cyberpj]

120. It really can feel that way, I agree. What I object most to are the planted people/questions.

Most times it's obvious, other times not so much.

I want some people with real problems and issues with each person to be allowed to confront them and ask for answers.

Every question in these set up meetings seems fairly mild and within the candidates' stated platforms.

We keep hearing about how angry everyone is, why aren't those people there?

[EndElectoral]

127. The format seems to set up a question and then listen to a speech with no rebuttals.

Doesn't serve the voters well. Even as Clinton said at one point when she was tired of the same canned answer - just go to my website for how we deal with that.

[bklyncowgirl]

131. You had the angry health insurance lady.

[TheDormouse]

116. Hillary is campaigning as the status quo candidate

She's promising to work very hard within the existing system to produce small improvements around the edges.

- unaffordable medical insurance
- fracking
- American steelworkers out of work due to foreign competition
- death penalty
- gun violence

and on, and on ...

Vote for Hillary if you are basically satisfied with the way things are now.

[AgadorSparticus]

146. I hope they discuss the trending violence seen with Trump.

I just want them to spend the time blasting on the POS trump since the damn media won't do it.