Loyalty oaths and levels of support for the primary and general election

[revbones]

There still seems to be a lot of people expecting a loyalty oath and they seem dead set to squeeze one out of people. I think it's generally due to the survey that something like 33% of Bernie supporters would not support Hillary as the nominee, as well as her low independent support.

Firstly, blaming others on the election of a Republican president months in advance of the election does a disservice to the argument because blame and future-guilt don't seem to be big motivators.

Second, the general argument seems specious at best. Let's say for the sake of argument DemA is a Bernie supporter that just can't stand Hillary - you can reverse that if you like. Assuming Hillary gets the nomination since that's generally the side calling for the oaths and saying not voting for her is the exact same as voting for a Republican.

If DemA can't pull the lever for Hillary, they will be chastised as helping to elect a Republican.

Where is the line? Does it stop with the vote? What if Hillary lost? Would DemA now also bear the consequences of not having donated? Or not having donated enough? Do they have to give the maximum?

What if they did donate the max and she still lost? Are they now to be blamed because they didn't canvas and phonebank?

What if they did donate the max, canvased and phonebanked but she still lost? Are they now blamed because because they couldn't convince their neighbor to vote for her? Or convince them to canvas, phonebank and donate the max?

No, it seems that some supporters just want a cudgel to beat opponents over the head with for not agreeing with their voting.

[Todays_Illusion]

1. I agree with you, I am deeply offended by anyone demanding my promise for a vote, especially this

far from the General. And it is no one's business but my own anyway. I also believe it is fine both campaigns to ask but not demand, after all polling helps with planning.

[Lizzie Poppet]

2. As it stands right now...

...I'll vote for Hillary if and only if my state is in play, which is extremely unlikely. I won't work for her, and I won't vote for her if my state remains safely blue (I'll keep a close eye on the polls). If someone wants more than that from me, they can suck it.

[eggman67]

3. It's nothing more

than a way to avoid responsibility for nominating an unelectable candidate. I'll vote for the person I think is best for the country. That person is not named Hillary.

[djean111]

7. nailed it - a way to avoid responsibility for nominating an unelectable candidate.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

4. Voting for someone other than Trump or Clinton or not voting does not give either a vote.

It means 0 - 0 = 0

It does NOT mean 0 - 0 = 1

Basic arithmetic.

[GoneFishin]

6. Yep. I will vote for the candidate who earns my vote. I will not vote for a candidate who does not.

No candidate is entitled to my vote by default. If they want it then fucking earn it. So far the only one who has is Bernie.

[GoneFishin]

5. Poking at Bernie supporters for loyalty oaths is also a way for them to check in with Bernie

supporters to gauge how serious they are about not supporting Hillary, and thus calibrating whether or not the 'lesser of evils' scam will work again this time around.

I think this demand for loyalty oaths is encouraged by Hillary's campaign.

[BernieforPres2016]

8. Anybody pushing a loyalty oath in any form or fashion goes straight to Ignore for me

I finally saw my first one today from somebody who had a Bernie icon, but I don't believe the person was actually a Bernie supporter based on the repeated pushes that person made. He or she went onto the Ignore list along with the dozens of Hillary supporters who have pushed it.

If Hillary supporters are so terrified of a Trump presidency, I suggest they vote for the only Democrat who has demonstrated appeal to Independent voters, who outnumber Democratic voters. That would be Bernie Sanders.