2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumHillary really is the most complete and competent candidate. Not just sound bites, she goes deep
into problems, causes, consequences, and solutions. Cherry-picking her comments for sound bites that satisfy unjustified allegations really hurts us all, not just Hillary.
http://time.com/4226205/clinton-school-to-prison-pipeline/
revbones
(3,660 posts)roguevalley
(40,656 posts)a man who had been in prison unjustly for 39 years, part of the time on death row asked her about her fetish about the death penalty using himself as an example of how it sucks and should die. She said essentially tough luck. She didn't tell them that she takes money from prisons, has prison lobbyists on her campaign team and she could care less about him over all. You ask us not to 'cherry pick' her shit? OMG. It would appear talking about any of her many and manifest problems, lies, distortions and dishonest actions/words/deeds is somehow hurting us all?
Wow.
shadowandblossom
(718 posts)-First off, if her beliefs regarding the death penalty were put into law (and I don't see that as likely) it would barely ever happen. It would happen much less than it does now. The numbers of people executed would go way down. As she explained again tonight she doesn't believe in it in the state system (police stuff), she does support in some heinous cases in the federal system (the fbi stuff), for example the Oklahoma City bombing that killed over 150 people including preschool children.
I also want to point out, respectfully, that he was tried in the state system (police stuff,) not the the federal system (fbi stuff) and not for conditions like those she described.
-Second of all, if her beliefs became law way, way, way, way less people would be executed.
Now you said she essentially said "tough luck." Well, here's how she said that.
"...but what happened to you was a travesty. And I just, can't even imagine what you went through, and how terrible all those days and nights must have been for all those years, and I know that all of us are... so regretful that you or any person has to go through what you did. And I hope that now that you are standing here before us... you will have whatever path in life you choose going forward and that you will get the support that you deserve to have."
HRC is smart and competent. That's true. She's is however the worst possible choice for the Nation because she is a war-mongering corporate globalist. The people who like her are either uninformed or agree that our nation stands for regime change manipulation requiring, initiating and sustaining massive bloodshed and ruination of superstructure.If you like her because she has recently gone to the left, you are unfortunately deluded. Nothing she states that is left of center is more than a ploy. If she wins, you will see what you have empowered and you will be sorry.
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)"really hurts us all"
Srsly?
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Vattel
(9,289 posts)Admit it BMUS, right now you are NOT wearing a flag pin. So don't pretend that you don't hate America too.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)I am also not telling anyone whether or not I have a Russian flag hanging in my garage!
Vattel
(9,289 posts)you have a Russian flag hanging in your MOM'S garage. You think I don't know you, but I am pretty sure that right now you are wearing your footie pajamas, sans flag pin of course, and after another half hour or so of online bullying and spamming EW's facebook page, your mom will tell you to turn off the lights.
AMIRITE?
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)And lying about my gender, everyone knows women don't support Bernie, we're all angry lying bros just PRETENDING to be wimmenz!
And who knows, maybe we're not even hooman...



iwillalwayswonderwhy
(2,728 posts)Oh wait, better clean my glasses.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)iwillalwayswonderwhy
(2,728 posts)shadowandblossom
(718 posts)Oh, the first one is so cuuuute.
bobGandolf
(871 posts)Vattel
(9,289 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)And good sarcasm is almost indistinguishable from reality.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)nichomachus
(12,754 posts)Not smart enough to keep her foot out of her mouth.
revbones
(3,660 posts)Loudestlib
(980 posts)earthshine
(1,642 posts)But, Hillary supporters do it for love.
Logical
(22,457 posts)peggysue2
(12,533 posts)Which is why she'll make an excellent President.
uponit7771
(93,532 posts)Baobab
(4,667 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)casperthegm
(643 posts)Causes and consequences? You mean like voting for Iraq and the consequence of trillions in debt, thousands of lives lost, a region destabilized (as Sanders cautioned), and now the rise of ISIS?
Please let me know if that counts as unjust to poor HRC. I'd list more but I have to run. I suspect others will be happy to provide a more complete list of "allegations."
krawhitham
(5,072 posts)Shadowflash
(1,536 posts)as well as she does sniper fire?
We'll have to see.
bvf
(6,604 posts)but you're about 18 days early.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)elehhhhna
(32,076 posts)Bullshit YOU can believe in
Lucinda
(31,170 posts)earthside
(6,960 posts)However, go try and get the Repuglicans to play nice.
Politics ain't beanbag.
If Hillary or Bernie can't take the heat now, then the general election campaign will be a massacre.
roguevalley
(40,656 posts)she can't so she's cracking up and making gaffes.
shadowandblossom
(718 posts)which disprove that over, and over, and over and so on to infinity... and the media has been very gentle on him. When will they start vetting him?
Waiting For Everyman
(9,385 posts)So competent, she can't even go to a funeral without creating a major fail.
Hillary hurts us all, not just Hillary.
This OP is the joke of the year.
winter is coming
(11,785 posts)Also, unforgivable.
Avalux
(35,015 posts)I could list many other example, but this one perfectly illustrates her ability to go deep and really look at the causes and consequences.
shadowandblossom
(718 posts)which the majority of Senators made, you can learn about it here. I thought this article was interesting. (On another note Senator and Secretary of State Clinton voting along with the vast majority of other senators to authorize the ability to use force as a means for leverage in what became the Iraq war is not a replacement for foreign policy from Senator Sanders.)
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/war_stories/2016/02/hillary_clinton_told_the_truth_about_her_iraq_war_vote.html
Avalux
(35,015 posts)senseandsensibility
(24,974 posts)Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)kath
(10,565 posts)Woot!
Karma13612
(4,982 posts)berningman
(144 posts)Thanks for the laugh
Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)I think the truth is hitting one of those nerves that Clinton has. She has got a lot of nerve.
Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)I spotted mine though thanks to people letting me know. Not one person has come out to debunk what I am saying. That tells me something right there.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(130,536 posts)warmest, most wonderful human being I've ever known.
roguevalley
(40,656 posts)this from knowing her?
The Velveteen Ocelot
(130,536 posts)roguevalley
(40,656 posts)They buried this film for about fifty years.
earthshine
(1,642 posts)She needs those big-money campaign contributions. Those political consultants are very expensive. They fine tune all of her mannerisms and words so as to appeal to leftists, liberals, and progressives.
I don't believe a word of her populist pandering. She will take a hard right in the general election, in turn further right if she makes it to the White House.
Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)Response to Betty Karlson (Reply #49)
The Velveteen Ocelot This message was self-deleted by its author.
Miles Archer
(23,279 posts)bigwillq
(72,790 posts)So many inconsistencies. Too much flip flopping. Too many misspeaks.
marew
(1,588 posts)Pretty soon she'll have to have it surgically removed!
Zira
(1,054 posts)Impedimentus
(898 posts)Once you step in it it's impossible to get your shoes clean again.
bvf
(6,604 posts)Its Got Electrolytes
(26 posts)and you'd be right.
Avalon Sparks
(2,751 posts)Is her pockets, in order to accept millions of dollars from mega money donors buying influence.
Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)are not qualified.
I'm sure her vote for the Iraq War was more than a sound bite, but that doesn't make the 'mistake' any smaller. This is where she failed her leadewrship test.
She was late to support gay rights. Too late even, and given recent events, I think she still is a homophobe who would rather stab my back than have my back.
She keeps shifting on TPP.
She promoted fracking: that's competent, maybe, but still utterly wrong.
Solutions? Just more of the status quo, But the status quo ius untenable. Her platform is based on the unrealistic hope that things can mostly stay as they are. She is stuck in the 20th century.
We need a leader with tomorrow's solutions for today's problems. We need BERNIE SANDERS.
eridani
(51,907 posts)bobGandolf
(871 posts)step in and start working. She'll hit the ground running if elected.
SO, why do I have a worry knot in my stomach every time I think of her as the Dem nominee?
djean111
(14,255 posts)Having a Third Way hawk in that office is frightening to me.
Cobalt Violet
(9,976 posts)otherwise she is not competent. She can't even read the electorate. She needed Bernie to open her eyes.
hobbit709
(41,694 posts)for the rest of us, not so much.
CBGLuthier
(12,723 posts)About a candidate who thinks the Reagans were great for gay folk and that her husband didn't do his part in destroying the middle class.
Thanks.
pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)shadowandblossom
(718 posts)I guess it's good to have dream though.
Waiting For Everyman
(9,385 posts)She screwed up email. Most of us can do that.
She screwed up a funeral. Most of us can do that.
She screws up giving comments. Most of us can do that.
Add to that, super corrupt... in a surprising number of different ways.
Oh, her so-called intelligence? It's the kind that memorizes homework well. But I'll bet she never had an original idea in her whole lifetime.
I am super not-impressed.
I call that an EPIC FAIL! Grade: "F"
shadowandblossom
(718 posts)&feature=youtu.be
Waiting For Everyman
(9,385 posts)It also isn't about my brilliance, it's about her lack of it.
Unless you can disprove any point, but maybe your forte is just awesome flashy graphiics.
actslikeacarrot
(464 posts)...candidate. Eh kills aleins and dosent afraid of anything!
http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/pretty-cool-guy
ladjf
(17,320 posts)candidate" because I think Bernie is not just about sound bites, he goes deep.
Your post = 0
My post = 0
Our sum = 0
islandmkl
(5,275 posts)but offer solid solutions...with serious results...
you know, like in 2007 when she told Wall Street to 'cut it out':
...the only thing they cut out was the heart of the economy...
http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/11/hillary-clinton-told-wall-street-to-cut-it-out-not-so-much-the-record-shows-213363#ixzz43Ll42Hr4