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Jitter65

(3,089 posts)
Mon Mar 14, 2016, 09:56 PM Mar 2016

Hillary really is the most complete and competent candidate. Not just sound bites, she goes deep

into problems, causes, consequences, and solutions. Cherry-picking her comments for sound bites that satisfy unjustified allegations really hurts us all, not just Hillary.

http://time.com/4226205/clinton-school-to-prison-pipeline/

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Hillary really is the most complete and competent candidate. Not just sound bites, she goes deep (Original Post) Jitter65 Mar 2016 OP
Ignoring all her faults also really hurts us nt revbones Mar 2016 #1
she lays out her faults and then we're supposed to ignore them? roguevalley Mar 2016 #41
Did you actually see the video you're talking about? It sure doesn't seem like it. Here it is. shadowandblossom Mar 2016 #68
WAKE UP! lynnd3 Mar 2016 #79
Panderlicious! cherokeeprogressive Mar 2016 #2
Why do you hate America? beam me up scottie Mar 2016 #3
Why are you a hypocrite? Vattel Mar 2016 #17
You don't know me!!! beam me up scottie Mar 2016 #20
If you are the typical Bernie supporter, the question is whether Vattel Mar 2016 #26
You forgot keeping files on all of my enemies! beam me up scottie Mar 2016 #28
Why are you keeping flies on your enemies? iwillalwayswonderwhy Mar 2016 #31
Wouldn't you like to know? beam me up scottie Mar 2016 #32
No flies on me. iwillalwayswonderwhy Mar 2016 #34
Kitties!!! shadowandblossom Mar 2016 #69
Are you a Trumpy? You insults fit the description. n/t bobGandolf Mar 2016 #64
It was a joke. BMUS is one of my favorite DUers. Vattel Mar 2016 #66
Vattel is my friend! beam me up scottie Mar 2016 #81
She's truly brilliant! I love her! NurseJackie Mar 2016 #4
But apparently nichomachus Mar 2016 #8
A truly truly briliant liar she is... Yes. nt revbones Mar 2016 #14
Her vote on Iraq was certainly brilliant. Loudestlib Mar 2016 #30
Bernie supporters have serious issues. earthshine Mar 2016 #44
Lol, ok. Nt Logical Mar 2016 #57
Yes! peggysue2 Mar 2016 #61
+1 uponit7771 Mar 2016 #65
Why she was so nice to the Columbians to overlook their Baobab Mar 2016 #5
K&R nt NCTraveler Mar 2016 #6
How about she got us in deep? casperthegm Mar 2016 #7
Yeah, she's great. If you could trust her krawhitham Mar 2016 #9
Maybe she can dodge all the 'unjustified allegations' Shadowflash Mar 2016 #10
Wish I could rec this bvf Mar 2016 #11
! beam me up scottie Mar 2016 #18
Problem? She'll look into it, study it, or tell them to cut it out elehhhhna Mar 2016 #12
TY ~ KNR Lucinda Mar 2016 #13
You can say the same thing about Sen. Sanders, of course. earthside Mar 2016 #15
bernie can and has. Against the entire party and media roguevalley Mar 2016 #42
So they tell me and yet I have eyes and ears shadowandblossom Mar 2016 #73
So competent, she screws up email. Waiting For Everyman Mar 2016 #16
Her thoughtful analysis of Nancy Reagan's contribution to the AIDS crisis is unforgettable. winter is coming Mar 2016 #19
Yes, she's so complete and competent she vote for the Iraq war!! Avalux Mar 2016 #21
And if you are interested in the context of that vote shadowandblossom Mar 2016 #71
I am well-versed regarding the context of the IWR vote thank you. n/t Avalux Mar 2016 #80
Comedy gold. senseandsensibility Mar 2016 #22
She's the greatest! The greatest! The people love her! everyone else is a LOSER. The BEST! Scootaloo Mar 2016 #23
this OP is probably the winner of the Hilarious Hillarian of the Day Award! kath Mar 2016 #35
LOLOLOL. AHAHAHAHAH. LOLOLOLOL AHAHAHAHAH. eom Karma13612 Mar 2016 #24
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha berningman Mar 2016 #25
Yeah sound bites that's the problem and not tainted Factor 8 plasma. Kalidurga Mar 2016 #27
Did you spot yesterday's swift alert-an-hide stalking of my posts about the subject? Betty Karlson Mar 2016 #48
Nope Kalidurga Mar 2016 #56
Hillary Clinton is the kindest, bravest, The Velveteen Ocelot Mar 2016 #29
do you know her? I have to ask around here. Do you know roguevalley Mar 2016 #43
I guess you've never seen "The Manchurian Candidate." The Velveteen Ocelot Mar 2016 #58
nope. thanks : D roguevalley Mar 2016 #63
You forgot to say the "most well coached." earthshine Mar 2016 #45
Praise Nancy! Betty Karlson Mar 2016 #49
This message was self-deleted by its author The Velveteen Ocelot Mar 2016 #60
That's very, very, very special. Miles Archer Mar 2016 #33
I think she's a mess as a candidate. bigwillq Mar 2016 #36
She continues to put her foot in her mouth so often that- marew Mar 2016 #37
I think those are intentional "misspeakes" Zira Mar 2016 #53
"...Not just sound bites, she goes deep ..." into the mud. Impedimentus Mar 2016 #38
Well, this is going pretty well, don't you think? n/t bvf Mar 2016 #39
prefix the "in" Its Got Electrolytes Mar 2016 #40
The only thing deep about Hillary.... Avalon Sparks Mar 2016 #46
Candidates who confuse silent activism and silent acquiessence in "letting queers die off" Betty Karlson Mar 2016 #47
Only if you like American empire and endless war n/t eridani Mar 2016 #50
I believe Hillary is the most qualified, and ready, to bobGandolf Mar 2016 #51
Because she will immediately start trying to implement Third Way economic policies and neo-con wars? djean111 Mar 2016 #54
yeah, if you are a corporation or a bank. Cobalt Violet Mar 2016 #52
Most complete and competent candidate of the 1% for sure. hobbit709 Mar 2016 #55
Thanks. I needed a good laugh. i was down and then you said this incredibly funny thing CBGLuthier Mar 2016 #59
Oh please! pdsimdars Mar 2016 #62
Let's hope that indictment comes soon. . . . pdsimdars Mar 2016 #67
just a RW fantasy :) shadowandblossom Mar 2016 #70
She appears competent, but in reality is the opposite. Waiting For Everyman Mar 2016 #72
Well if a brilliant keyboard warrior such as yourself has declared it so, it must be so. shadowandblossom Mar 2016 #74
It's not what I've declared, it's what the news has reported. Waiting For Everyman Mar 2016 #78
I think Clinton is a pretty cool... actslikeacarrot Mar 2016 #75
I have read and disagree with your opinion that "Hillary really is the most complete and competen ladjf Mar 2016 #76
i prefer her more simple solutions...they are so succinct...and not only address the issues... islandmkl Mar 2016 #77
Her track record is atrocious on domestic and foreign policy. n/t Skwmom Mar 2016 #82

roguevalley

(40,656 posts)
41. she lays out her faults and then we're supposed to ignore them?
Tue Mar 15, 2016, 02:18 AM
Mar 2016

a man who had been in prison unjustly for 39 years, part of the time on death row asked her about her fetish about the death penalty using himself as an example of how it sucks and should die. She said essentially tough luck. She didn't tell them that she takes money from prisons, has prison lobbyists on her campaign team and she could care less about him over all. You ask us not to 'cherry pick' her shit? OMG. It would appear talking about any of her many and manifest problems, lies, distortions and dishonest actions/words/deeds is somehow hurting us all?

Wow.

shadowandblossom

(718 posts)
68. Did you actually see the video you're talking about? It sure doesn't seem like it. Here it is.
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 07:17 AM
Mar 2016

-First off, if her beliefs regarding the death penalty were put into law (and I don't see that as likely) it would barely ever happen. It would happen much less than it does now. The numbers of people executed would go way down. As she explained again tonight she doesn't believe in it in the state system (police stuff), she does support in some heinous cases in the federal system (the fbi stuff), for example the Oklahoma City bombing that killed over 150 people including preschool children.

I also want to point out, respectfully, that he was tried in the state system (police stuff,) not the the federal system (fbi stuff) and not for conditions like those she described.


-Second of all, if her beliefs became law way, way, way, way less people would be executed.



Now you said she essentially said "tough luck." Well, here's how she said that.

"...but what happened to you was a travesty. And I just, can't even imagine what you went through, and how terrible all those days and nights must have been for all those years, and I know that all of us are... so regretful that you or any person has to go through what you did. And I hope that now that you are standing here before us... you will have whatever path in life you choose going forward and that you will get the support that you deserve to have."

lynnd3

(1 post)
79. WAKE UP!
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 09:23 AM
Mar 2016

HRC is smart and competent. That's true. She's is however the worst possible choice for the Nation because she is a war-mongering corporate globalist. The people who like her are either uninformed or agree that our nation stands for regime change manipulation requiring, initiating and sustaining massive bloodshed and ruination of superstructure.If you like her because she has recently gone to the left, you are unfortunately deluded. Nothing she states that is left of center is more than a ploy. If she wins, you will see what you have empowered and you will be sorry.

 

Vattel

(9,289 posts)
17. Why are you a hypocrite?
Mon Mar 14, 2016, 10:21 PM
Mar 2016

Admit it BMUS, right now you are NOT wearing a flag pin. So don't pretend that you don't hate America too.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
20. You don't know me!!!
Mon Mar 14, 2016, 10:23 PM
Mar 2016

I am also not telling anyone whether or not I have a Russian flag hanging in my garage!

 

Vattel

(9,289 posts)
26. If you are the typical Bernie supporter, the question is whether
Mon Mar 14, 2016, 10:39 PM
Mar 2016

you have a Russian flag hanging in your MOM'S garage. You think I don't know you, but I am pretty sure that right now you are wearing your footie pajamas, sans flag pin of course, and after another half hour or so of online bullying and spamming EW's facebook page, your mom will tell you to turn off the lights.

AMIRITE?

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
28. You forgot keeping files on all of my enemies!
Mon Mar 14, 2016, 10:46 PM
Mar 2016

And lying about my gender, everyone knows women don't support Bernie, we're all angry lying bros just PRETENDING to be wimmenz!

And who knows, maybe we're not even hooman...







casperthegm

(643 posts)
7. How about she got us in deep?
Mon Mar 14, 2016, 10:08 PM
Mar 2016

Causes and consequences? You mean like voting for Iraq and the consequence of trillions in debt, thousands of lives lost, a region destabilized (as Sanders cautioned), and now the rise of ISIS?

Please let me know if that counts as unjust to poor HRC. I'd list more but I have to run. I suspect others will be happy to provide a more complete list of "allegations."

Shadowflash

(1,536 posts)
10. Maybe she can dodge all the 'unjustified allegations'
Mon Mar 14, 2016, 10:14 PM
Mar 2016

as well as she does sniper fire?

We'll have to see.

 

elehhhhna

(32,076 posts)
12. Problem? She'll look into it, study it, or tell them to cut it out
Mon Mar 14, 2016, 10:15 PM
Mar 2016

Bullshit YOU can believe in

earthside

(6,960 posts)
15. You can say the same thing about Sen. Sanders, of course.
Mon Mar 14, 2016, 10:20 PM
Mar 2016

However, go try and get the Repuglicans to play nice.

Politics ain't beanbag.

If Hillary or Bernie can't take the heat now, then the general election campaign will be a massacre.



roguevalley

(40,656 posts)
42. bernie can and has. Against the entire party and media
Tue Mar 15, 2016, 02:20 AM
Mar 2016

she can't so she's cracking up and making gaffes.

shadowandblossom

(718 posts)
73. So they tell me and yet I have eyes and ears
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 07:41 AM
Mar 2016

which disprove that over, and over, and over and so on to infinity... and the media has been very gentle on him. When will they start vetting him?

Waiting For Everyman

(9,385 posts)
16. So competent, she screws up email.
Mon Mar 14, 2016, 10:20 PM
Mar 2016

So competent, she can't even go to a funeral without creating a major fail.

Hillary hurts us all, not just Hillary.

This OP is the joke of the year.

winter is coming

(11,785 posts)
19. Her thoughtful analysis of Nancy Reagan's contribution to the AIDS crisis is unforgettable.
Mon Mar 14, 2016, 10:22 PM
Mar 2016

Also, unforgivable.

Avalux

(35,015 posts)
21. Yes, she's so complete and competent she vote for the Iraq war!!
Mon Mar 14, 2016, 10:23 PM
Mar 2016

I could list many other example, but this one perfectly illustrates her ability to go deep and really look at the causes and consequences.

shadowandblossom

(718 posts)
71. And if you are interested in the context of that vote
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 07:35 AM
Mar 2016

which the majority of Senators made, you can learn about it here. I thought this article was interesting. (On another note Senator and Secretary of State Clinton voting along with the vast majority of other senators to authorize the ability to use force as a means for leverage in what became the Iraq war is not a replacement for foreign policy from Senator Sanders.)

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/war_stories/2016/02/hillary_clinton_told_the_truth_about_her_iraq_war_vote.html

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
23. She's the greatest! The greatest! The people love her! everyone else is a LOSER. The BEST!
Mon Mar 14, 2016, 10:27 PM
Mar 2016
 

Betty Karlson

(7,231 posts)
48. Did you spot yesterday's swift alert-an-hide stalking of my posts about the subject?
Tue Mar 15, 2016, 03:14 AM
Mar 2016

I think the truth is hitting one of those nerves that Clinton has. She has got a lot of nerve.

Kalidurga

(14,177 posts)
56. Nope
Tue Mar 15, 2016, 08:15 AM
Mar 2016

I spotted mine though thanks to people letting me know. Not one person has come out to debunk what I am saying. That tells me something right there.

 

earthshine

(1,642 posts)
45. You forgot to say the "most well coached."
Tue Mar 15, 2016, 02:34 AM
Mar 2016

She needs those big-money campaign contributions. Those political consultants are very expensive. They fine tune all of her mannerisms and words so as to appeal to leftists, liberals, and progressives.

I don't believe a word of her populist pandering. She will take a hard right in the general election, in turn further right if she makes it to the White House.

Response to Betty Karlson (Reply #49)

 

bigwillq

(72,790 posts)
36. I think she's a mess as a candidate.
Mon Mar 14, 2016, 11:32 PM
Mar 2016

So many inconsistencies. Too much flip flopping. Too many misspeaks.

marew

(1,588 posts)
37. She continues to put her foot in her mouth so often that-
Mon Mar 14, 2016, 11:52 PM
Mar 2016

Pretty soon she'll have to have it surgically removed!

Impedimentus

(898 posts)
38. "...Not just sound bites, she goes deep ..." into the mud.
Mon Mar 14, 2016, 11:58 PM
Mar 2016

Once you step in it it's impossible to get your shoes clean again.

Avalon Sparks

(2,751 posts)
46. The only thing deep about Hillary....
Tue Mar 15, 2016, 03:10 AM
Mar 2016

Is her pockets, in order to accept millions of dollars from mega money donors buying influence.

 

Betty Karlson

(7,231 posts)
47. Candidates who confuse silent activism and silent acquiessence in "letting queers die off"
Tue Mar 15, 2016, 03:12 AM
Mar 2016

are not qualified.

I'm sure her vote for the Iraq War was more than a sound bite, but that doesn't make the 'mistake' any smaller. This is where she failed her leadewrship test.

She was late to support gay rights. Too late even, and given recent events, I think she still is a homophobe who would rather stab my back than have my back.

She keeps shifting on TPP.

She promoted fracking: that's competent, maybe, but still utterly wrong.

Solutions? Just more of the status quo, But the status quo ius untenable. Her platform is based on the unrealistic hope that things can mostly stay as they are. She is stuck in the 20th century.

We need a leader with tomorrow's solutions for today's problems. We need BERNIE SANDERS.

bobGandolf

(871 posts)
51. I believe Hillary is the most qualified, and ready, to
Tue Mar 15, 2016, 04:33 AM
Mar 2016

step in and start working. She'll hit the ground running if elected.
SO, why do I have a worry knot in my stomach every time I think of her as the Dem nominee?

 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
54. Because she will immediately start trying to implement Third Way economic policies and neo-con wars?
Tue Mar 15, 2016, 07:20 AM
Mar 2016

Having a Third Way hawk in that office is frightening to me.

Cobalt Violet

(9,976 posts)
52. yeah, if you are a corporation or a bank.
Tue Mar 15, 2016, 04:39 AM
Mar 2016

otherwise she is not competent. She can't even read the electorate. She needed Bernie to open her eyes.

hobbit709

(41,694 posts)
55. Most complete and competent candidate of the 1% for sure.
Tue Mar 15, 2016, 07:33 AM
Mar 2016

for the rest of us, not so much.

CBGLuthier

(12,723 posts)
59. Thanks. I needed a good laugh. i was down and then you said this incredibly funny thing
Tue Mar 15, 2016, 09:34 AM
Mar 2016

About a candidate who thinks the Reagans were great for gay folk and that her husband didn't do his part in destroying the middle class.

Thanks.

Waiting For Everyman

(9,385 posts)
72. She appears competent, but in reality is the opposite.
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 07:36 AM
Mar 2016

She screwed up email. Most of us can do that.

She screwed up a funeral. Most of us can do that.

She screws up giving comments. Most of us can do that.

Add to that, super corrupt... in a surprising number of different ways.

Oh, her so-called intelligence? It's the kind that memorizes homework well. But I'll bet she never had an original idea in her whole lifetime.

I am super not-impressed.

I call that an EPIC FAIL! Grade: "F"

shadowandblossom

(718 posts)
74. Well if a brilliant keyboard warrior such as yourself has declared it so, it must be so.
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 07:51 AM
Mar 2016

&feature=youtu.be

Waiting For Everyman

(9,385 posts)
78. It's not what I've declared, it's what the news has reported.
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 08:23 AM
Mar 2016

It also isn't about my brilliance, it's about her lack of it.

Unless you can disprove any point, but maybe your forte is just awesome flashy graphiics.

ladjf

(17,320 posts)
76. I have read and disagree with your opinion that "Hillary really is the most complete and competen
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 08:04 AM
Mar 2016

candidate" because I think Bernie is not just about sound bites, he goes deep.

Your post = 0
My post = 0
Our sum = 0



islandmkl

(5,275 posts)
77. i prefer her more simple solutions...they are so succinct...and not only address the issues...
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 08:09 AM
Mar 2016

but offer solid solutions...with serious results...

you know, like in 2007 when she told Wall Street to 'cut it out':

In October’s debate she had described herself as going to Wall Street and saying, “Cut it out! Quit foreclosing on homes! Quit engaging in these kinds of speculative behaviors.”


...the only thing they cut out was the heart of the economy...

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/11/hillary-clinton-told-wall-street-to-cut-it-out-not-so-much-the-record-shows-213363#ixzz43Ll42Hr4


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