2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumGeorge Will: ‘This Was Immeasurably The Best Debate’ I Have Ever Seen
It was a very good fight, he added. I have seen every presidential debate in American history since the floor of Nixon and Kennedy in 1960. This was immeasurably the best.
I think as a tactical measure tonight, the president did very well, he concluded.
Wow! To win "the best debate in American history" is uh, quite impressive.
Video here: > http://www.mediaite.com/tv/george-will-this-was-immeasurably-the-best-debate-i-have-ever-seen/
pnwmom
(109,445 posts)And boy do I feel better!
mzmolly
(51,494 posts)freshwest
(53,661 posts)He's more of a listener, ready to take in all ideas and then he puts it together and gets it to work. R/R are used to ignoring anything that gets in the way of their ideas, and their ideas are old and don't work.
gateley
(62,683 posts)barbtries
(29,653 posts)"R/R are used to ignoring anything that gets in the way of their ideas, and their ideas are old and don't work."
moobu2
(4,822 posts)avaistheone1
(14,626 posts)gateley
(62,683 posts)Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)Retrograde
(10,578 posts)(although I did like his baseball book), when he says Obama did well - that's like saying water is a little moist. So, is the right about to throw Romney under a convenient limo (they wouldn't use anything as plebian as a bus)
David Zephyr
(22,785 posts)mzmolly, thanks for posting this story. I had to pinch myself to believe it.
Tonight was a sea change. President Obama was delivered.
eyewall
(674 posts)George Will said it was the greatest political speech he'd ever heard. As I remember it, I think he implied he felt it was the greatest political speech ever delivered, in our lifetimes. He was overcome by it, as was I, but I was also a bit overcome by his respect for Obama.
edit: that would be the 2008 Democratic convention
lillypaddle
(9,605 posts)Whew. Such a relief to have our Presdident in such good form.
RichGirl
(4,119 posts)It's making your case using data and facts.
Technically, Romney didn't win first debate based on that...he won because Obama was low-key and not challenging him.
Obama won in the truest sense of winning a debate. He had the facts,made the arguement. Romney never made a case for any question. He mostly criticized Obama and claimed he could do better without saying how.
aint_no_life_nowhere
(21,925 posts)I wonder how they're taking this.
mzmolly
(51,494 posts)Probably not so well.
Sugarcoated
(8,077 posts)ALWAYS overplay their hand. They always get over confident and it bites them.
yellowcanine
(36,276 posts)Ed Rogers wouldn't admit a pig was flying if he saw it with his own eyes. He would say the pig "jumped" kind of high.
1monster
(11,024 posts)creon
(1,183 posts)"the best debate is american history" is hyperbole.
Lincoln - Douglass; Webster - Hayne. Just two that were much better.
caraher
(6,307 posts)Those you cite were not presidential debates...
creon
(1,183 posts)Thanks for noticing the error that I made
lunatica
(53,410 posts)caraher
(6,307 posts)Will seemed mainly interested in impressing us with his vast experience of presidential debates. I approve your skepticism of his bluster!
Will has frequently seemed priggish or pedantic to me. I think that he was showing off.
Now, I will be pedantic; Webster's reply to Hayne:
http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Great_Speeches_and_Orations_of_Daniel_Webster/The_Reply_to_Hayne
We do not have the patience for that sort of speech nowadays.
KevTucky
(90 posts)It is sometimes hard for the other side to say the other guy won. In this case I just think Will doesn't like Romney at all. He has been very critical of him as have some other columnists, Brooks, Noonan, etc.
Arkana
(24,347 posts)yellowcanine
(36,276 posts)"Out out, damned spot!" Tell me it will come off with time.
olegramps
(8,200 posts)The only ones who believe that Romney has any credibility are just brain dead zombies. Anyone with more than two brain cells knows that Romney's tax plan is nothing more than outright fraud. The flip-flopping of Romney can not be denied as he has demonstrated that he is willing to outright lie to achieve his purpose. This is his strategy just as he did when he bought healthy companies assuring the workers that he was going to make sure they remained in business only to strip off their profits and borrow them into bankruptcy and then sell them off to China. A person has to be so blinded by hatred to ignore the fact that thousands lost any hope in getting a pension regardless of how close they were to retirement. Romney is an EVIL BASTARD without a conscience. I absolutely have no use for anyone who would cbntinue to support him.
defacto7
(13,485 posts)Everyone coming around finally.
valerief
(53,235 posts)davidwparker
(5,397 posts)geckosfeet
(9,644 posts)99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)but the right-wing nuttery faction of the GOP is going to want
George's head on a platter.
Screw them George!! Stand your f*cking ground!
mountain grammy
(27,152 posts)Of course Obama "won", of course Rmoney makes you throw up in your mouth every time he speaks. I would leave the room when Rmoney started speaking, knowing I had as long as the timer in the corner said, and pretend to smoke a cigarette (gave it up years ago) and come back in when the President started talking. I have a list of problems with President Obama, but he is competent, calm, doing reasonably well, and just might surprise even me in his second term.
Festivito
(13,529 posts)This election is lost, so now he can look bi-partisan. Watch him in a few years when it will matter, and he'll be parading this under the best debate title.
To me he's just such a tool.
CrazyOrangeCat
(6,112 posts). . . he just wants to be on the side that's winning.
Festivito
(13,529 posts)CrazyOrangeCat
(6,112 posts)chef jeff
(6 posts)I've learned something very valuable from watching this latest debate. Firstly, there ARE Conservatives like Mr Will who give credit when it's due.
Secondly, I've learned from last night it's very hard for a candidate to 'smirk' with egg on their face.
mzmolly
(51,494 posts)chef jeff.