Why You SHOULDN'T GIVE UP On Bernie Sanders

[Segami]

We may have faced a setback, but we can not give up, the future depends on it. #FeelTheBern

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[kgnu_fan]

1. Talked to young people, they are fired up.

[Funtatlaguy]

55. But, not in huuuuge numbers , unfortunately.

These that came to rallies were passionate and I'm sure they voted.
But, Bernie needed record massive youth turnout to win.
It all started in Iowa where college students didn't show in massive amounts.
Didn't in Massachusetts either.
There was good youth turnout.
But, good was not good enuf for the pol revolution Bernie tried for.
Sigh.

[liberal from boston]

67. Bernie Sanders

I believe that Iowa was basically a tie. Senator Sanders strength is he resonates with all ages--seen in my own family, neighborhood, co-workers. IMHO Hillary cannot win the general election because she does not appeal to young voters--she is the status quo candidate. As former labor secretary Robert Reich stated in his endorsement of Senator Sanders: “I’ve known Hillary Clinton since she was 19 years old, and have nothing but respect for her. In my view, she’s the most qualified candidate for president of the political system we now have,” Reich said. “But Bernie Sanders is the most qualified candidate to create the political system we should have, because he’s leading a political movement for change.”

[kgnu_fan]

73. At least in Colorado, many young ppl are fed up with Dem Party establishment and

they are edgy about committing themselves to the political process. So keep them hopeful is a challenge.

[peacebird]

2. Not giving up! We will fight all the way to the convention!

[pdsimdars]

7. and beyond . . . .

[peacebird]

11. and beyond!

[scottie55]

50. and beyond

[Plucketeer]

56. And beyond

[PonyUp]

97. to Infinity!!!......

[democrattotheend]

22. What is the point of that?

I definitely think we should fight until all states get to vote, or unless/until Hillary has won enough pledged delegates to win the nomination without any superdelegates. But beyond that, what is the point? If she wins a majority of the pledged delegates then it would be undemocratic for her not to be nominated.

[Wednesdays]

27. Just don't give up on the ideals Bernie believes in

Keep Hillary's feet to the fire, etc.

[A Simple Game]

35. Stop the nomination? No. Lay a few planks in the platform? Yes.

Maybe even dust off a few of the old planks that the party elite seem to just walk around all the time.

[PoliticAverse]

46. Other than the people who write it, no one really cares what is in the "platform". n/t

[jwirr]

69. To some extent I agree but that is what a caucus does that

is not done in a voters booth. Our caucus proposed a lot of planks for the platform. We talked about them and argued them. And then we voted on them.

I will be a delegate to our county convention and I will see where these ideas go next.

[A Simple Game]

75. You are mostly right, but I used to care what was in the Democratic platform.

And I care now about party principles as I am once again, but likely only for a short time, a Democrat. But your, and the party's as a whole, attitude towards the platform is the main reason I am a left leaning DINO.

I will most likely return to unaffiliated after the New York primary but I may wait until after the general election. If a party stands for nothing why would anyone want to be a member? That's why I left 20 or 30 years ago, lack of principles and much too conservative.

[PoliticAverse]

76. "but I used to care what was in the Democratic platform." - hey we were all naive once. n/t

[A Simple Game]

86. You could have said I used to be more principled, or had a soft heart because I cared about

what the Democratic party stood for. That is why I joined it in the first place back in the '70's, because of their stance on the issues I cared for. I left the party when they stopped caring as I did. I rejoined last year because the party finally had a candidate that felt the way I did and needed my support. You fault me for that?

But instead you chose to call me naive for caring what a Democrat stands for... why? Don't you care? Do you belong to the party just because of the neat little membership card they give you? Or was your post just one of those standard, "I can't refute the message so I will belittle the messenger" posts we see so often on DU?

You probably don't even care that the Democratic party is growing smaller every year and probably don't wonder why. If Bernie does not become the party's nominee you, and the party, will probably blame Bernie for the massive exodus from the party by next year. And the problem will never be fixed. Then obscurity.

[PoliticAverse]

89. No my "naive" statement referred to the importance of what was in the party platform.

I used to think it mattered but I've seen so many candidates ignore it.

Ironically in recent times I've seen more opponents referencing someone's party platform
than the party's candidates themselves.

[A Simple Game]

92. So you think "we" were naive for caring about the platform in the past.

If so do you think I and other Bernie supporters are still "naive" for wanting the party to return to standing for something?

What do you think of people that don't care what the Democratic, or any political, party stands for? Do you think it is wrong to care about the party's principles? Are you against Bernie's supporters trying to improve the party principles in general or are you afraid they just want to change or take over the party?

And why do you think anyone should be a member of a party that stands for nothing? In other words give me a good reason why I shouldn't become unaffiliated again after this election cycle.

[Else You Are Mad]

41. Because

There is a strong possibility that without Sanders in the race, Hillary will move back to her center moderate positions in preparation for the GE.

[PoliticAverse]

47. Once she clinches the nomination, what's to stop her? n/t

[tex-wyo-dem]

58. IF she wins the nomination...

She still has to bring Bernie supporters into the fold to have a prayer of being elected. I don't know if you saw her speech last night, but it was probably one of the most progressive speeches I've ever heard her make...a definite nod to us Bernie supporters. In fact, she sounded almost exactly like Bernie.

IF she wins the nomination, and as the GE progresses or if she gets elected, I fully expect "progressive" Hillary to morph into her natural state: the Neo-con/Neo-liberal politician she actually is...all those progressive promises will disappear into the ether like that version of Hillary never existed.

[SammyWinstonJack]

70. And she didn't mean a word of what she said in that speech last night. She's trying her best to

fool potential voters. Will work going forward.....I hope not.

[tex-wyo-dem]

71. She is a chameleon and will say anything ...

To Get votes. Her true self is shown through her actions...a 1%er Neo-liberal with aggressive Neo-con foreign policy. Progressivism is just a campaign mask.

[Plucketeer]

59. Herself

[FighttheFuture]

45. Bernie could lend influence to many House/Senate elections and State elections for better, more

progressive candidates. He can also keep the party more honest about what it means to be Democratic and help remove the Corporate/Wall Street influence. There's much Bernie could do if he does not win the nomination and why his movement does not end at the Convention regardless of the outcome!

[democrattotheend]

63. I fully agree with that

But I don't think he needs to stay in until the convention to do that. I actually think if he concedes graciously if she gets a numerical lock on the nomination it will increase his clout. If she gets a mathematical lock on the pledged delegates nobody will care whether or not he stays in the race - it won't scare anyone. His leverage is in his willingness to push his supporters to vote for her or not. And he would be better able to lend support to down-ballot races if he is not still running his own campaign.

[FighttheFuture]

82. Staying in helps in several ways. It helps Hillary, lest the media ignore her and Trump everything

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else up. It also keeps her more considering of left positions vs. her DLC inspired pabulum. The more delegates he collects gives him a greater voice and puts the corpro-crats on notice. Also, there is still a chance, sure, a small chance, but still there. He has the money, he has the will, he has the energy, he should stay in.

[Dustlawyer]

66. The point is that the Establishment needs to recognize that our movement is growing.

We will not be down with a bunch of Wall Streeters running the show, so if Hillary does win the Primary and the General, she better not do what Obama did and appoint all of the Foxes to guard the henhouse. She will anyway because she took so much of their money.

Our movement will not end with Bernie if he loses! Hopefully Bernie would stay with us (I expect he would) even if he loses. We are going to get the money out of our politics one way or the other! We are going to push back hard for REAL CLIMATE CHANGE REFORMS! We will not stay silent to corporate rule and oligarchy. We will get a return to Representative Democracy where our representatives are really ours and not the big Donor class!

That is the point! The days of falling for the MSM propaganda are over for us. We will hold Hillary to her promises on TPP, environment, and all of the other recent positions she has taken! We vow to raise holy hell when she breaks these promises as we know she will. It would be better for everyone if Bernie wins, but if he does not, we will not sit quietly by while Hillary sells us out!

[liberal from boston]

68. Go Bernie

I do not understand why no one is discussing that Missouri (which was a virtual tie) & Illinois were extremely close. Sanders campaign expected this would be tough night: http://www.democraticunderground.com/1280147688

[bkkyosemite]

78. Anything still can happen.

[democrattotheend]

79. You make a good point

After all, Hillary herself did say that it makes sense for candidates to stay in until the convention in case one of them is assassinated.

[PonyUp]

98. 'Something may happen". Remember when Hillary said that about Obama? n/t

[djean111]

3. Who is giving up?

Not me.

[Art_from_Ark]

14. Nor me

He's still by far the best candidate out there.

[farleftlib]

4. I'm not giving up

This primary is not over despite what some people are pushing.

Go, Bernie!

Never lose hope. Never give up.

[mmonk]

5. Not giving up though in many ways, I've given up on this country.

No real government working on behalf of its people and corporations writing our laws. No real society.

[snooper2]

6. time to go off the grid?

[mmonk]

10. We at least should start thinking how we can sort

of brainstorm a cobbled together alternative.

[tk2kewl]

8. Do any of these people look like quitters to you?

[Segami]

9. Oooh, I like that pic!

[mountain grammy]

21. No quitters there.. love that picture!

[SammyWinstonJack]

72. No they do not! Go Bernie!

[GoneFishin]

12. Bernie is the only option. No chance I will give up. Why anyone would want more of the current

bullshit is a mystery, 1% excepted of course, because they are too busy being pigs at the public taxpayer trough to give a shit about average Americans.

[snooper2]

13. I'll take another four years of the greatness that is Obama!

[GoneFishin]

15. It's your vote. It's just too bad you are trying to drag me down with you.

[liberal from boston]

61. Go Bernie

Loved your comment GoneFishin. Bernie won delegates--basically both Missouri & Illinois were so close. His message is resonating with Americans. The energy & enthusiasm is with Senator Sanders. Please donate to Bernie. DNC is a major problem in the Democratic Party.

[GoneFishin]

85. I donated again late last night and I will keep donating. He is our only hope to start to turn

things around.

Anybody else will keep things moving in the wrong direction, maybe beyond the point of no return.

[GoneFishin]

16. I donated again to Bernie late last night, and I will continue to donate to him. There is no other

option for anyone who recognizes that the system has been bastardized to nourish only the wealthy and connected by sucking the life blood from average Americans.

[Plucketeer]

62. We may be sending money for HIS campaign to run on

but in truth, we're investing in ourselves. That's why an unimpeded flow of cash continues to be critical.

[KoKo]

94. Not giving up! Who would have dreamed we would get so far!

And, with OUR donations....not the ill gotten money that the Clinton Campaign is pouring into their efforts including the money spent on former President Bill Clinton and his SS Entourage and Chelsea (the First Daughter) who are using their status, influence and private jets to fly into states as surrogates for Hillary.

It is just Amazing that Bernie has been able to accomplish what he has and he is going to do better in the coming states as he pushes towards the Convention.

[Major Hogwash]

17. The rest of the prmary season is still important.

They can count all of the delegates they want to, this thing is not over yet.

[zentrum]

18. Not giving up.

[SusanCalvin]

19. Of course not.

Considering he came from nothing and the deck continues to be stacked against him by the MSM (witness last night's blackout of his speech), he's a miracle. A much-needed one.

[navarth]

20. fuck that giving up shit

I vote my conscience. Sick of the lesser of two corporate evils? Me too.

[MynameisBlarney]

23. I will continue to support him

Until he is no longer running.
It ain't over until it's over.

[mishi48.59]

24. The fat lady hasn't sung yet!

Thanks for the video Segami!

[NurseJackie]

38. She's warming-up backstage. In the wings and ready to make her appearance.

[me b zola]

25. I signed up for the long haul

Bernie has more integrity in his pinky finger than all of the other presidential candidates put together.

I'm with Bernie

[vintx]

26. K&R

[Merryland]

28. No way am I giving up on Bernie

I truly think he's the last best hope for the United States of America - hope I'm not overstating it! But that is the way I feel. Have never felt that an election mattered so much.

[LWolf]

29. I'm not giving up a damned thing.

I'm still giving Sanders my primary support and vote, and then I'll still be giving that political revolution my support and vote, regardless of the outcome of the primaries.

[CentralMass]

30. There are many states to go.

[Impedimentus]

31. As long as Bernie is in it I'm in it.

FEEL THE BERN 2016

[liberalnarb]

32. Thank you! I needed this.

[Demsrule86]

34. Don't

Please don't fight all the way to the convention. You will only succeed in electing a Republican which would be much worse. Bernie can not win. He can't. I actually voted for him in Ohio because I agree with what he says. It is the math...Bernie can not win. We have pulled Hillary to the left and that is a good thing.

[FailureToCommunicate]

37. Hillary 'pulling to the left' is like that person who drifts into the passing lane to keep you from

going by. As soon as she see's Bernie has pulled back, her campaign will go right back to the center of the road. And then let's pray she sees a way thru the roadblock of Trump's wreckage ahead of her...

[rgbecker]

54. Best.....analogy.....yet.....!

Bravo.

[SammyWinstonJack]

74. It is spot on.

[blondie58]

40. If enough people vote for him, he will win win!. We can't give up on the best candidate

We can't Give. Up on the best candidate of my lifetime!

[DemocracyDirect]

43. In a two person race that mathematical argument doesn't work.

Either the candidate has earned half of the total of pledged delegates or not.

At this halfway point, the difference to date from the first half of the states can also be made up in the second half of the states.

[arcane1]

88. Horse shit. Every syllable n/t

[Iwillnevergiveup]

36. The media

which has largely ignored and/or downplayed Bernie's candidacy must be circumvented. GOTV, reeling in more supporters, and more record-breaking money bombs are the order of the day.

I hope Bernie makes many stops in CA - I feel his level of support here rising.

K&R

[Helen Borg]

39. I'm not! Are YOU?

[merrily]

42. Who's giving up? Sanders won the day he announced.

Sanders has already won. http://www.democraticunderground.com/12778005

Sea changes in US Politics, thanks to Senator Sanders and his supporters http://www.democraticunderground.com/1280109865

I am in this priimary as long as Sanders is in it and, well beyond the primary, I am in a revolution.

[afertal]

44. I will not accept that our only option...

is to choose sides in the Battle of the Billionaires!

[merrily]

48. Psst. Sanders did better that predicted. With everything stacked against him, he did better than

predicted. I'm doing the happy dance.

[DemocracyDirect]

49. If we really want this, we have to fight for it!

That means GOTV, campaign, call bank, march, visit neighbors, talk to people, carry signs, and even use a bullhorn.

Just get out there and convince people!

The future is at stake!

Nobody was expecting a blow out for Bernie in any of yesterday's states. In the end the differences add up to only a handful of delegates.
Some of the results were because of the rise of Donald Trump, particularly in Ohio where independents that usually heavily favor Bernie went to the republican side to help defeat the Donald.
I thought that the North Carolina result showed some progress for Bernie.

Be the change that you want to see in the world!

Be the Bern!

[Uncle Joe]

51. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, Segami.

[Cassidy]

52. Bernie would never give up on us. We must keep fighting for him and for our lives.

He has fought for us for decades and will continue the fight.
We must also keep fighting.

[dr60omg]

53. Yes, thank you

We will never give up and not give in the future depends on Sanders

[xloadiex]

57. I have a serious question

I hope someone can answer. Isn't it more advantageous for the dems during this political climate to have 2 candidates staying in the race for as long as possible? Let's face it, Hillary does have some baggage right now. Even though I know her supporters say they are confident, there has to be a little bit of uneasiness there. I know if it were Bernie, as much as I love him, it would be worrying me. I hate to bring up age, but neither of these candidates are spring chickens and the stress of a campaigning is tremendous.

Hypothetically, say Bernie did drop out ( which I 100% do not want him to do) and something happened to thwart Hillary's campaign, or vice versa and suddenly we are left without a dem in the race before the convention, what would happen? Could the DNC just appoint a new nominee during the convention or would this assure the GOP of a win?

I'm not asking to be snarky. I've just been curious about the process.

[Jefferson23]

60. This was not ever a primary about two candidates, the distinctions are important

to understanding the political movement which is about corruption...not about "free stuff."

The primary is not over and the movement has taken root across the country,
that was the main goal to achieve. Sanders was not expected to win and he
sure as hell was not suppose to be a challenge to Clinton..that changed dramatically.


Look at these percentages:

Florida: Clinton 64.5% Sanders 33.3%

North Carolina: Clinton 54.6% Sanders 40.8%

Ohio: Clinton 56.5% Sanders 42.7

Illinois: Clinton 50.5% Sanders 48.7%

Missouri: Clinton 49.6% Sanders 49.4%

http://www.cnn.com/specials/politics/2016-primaries-results

[SammyWinstonJack]

64. Not giving up! EVER! BERNIE!

[matt819]

65. I have a fundamentally pointless question about media

I'm old enough (horrors!) to remember network news from the 1960s. Mostly Walter Cronkite.

I know that the primaries owe their current incarnation to events in the 1970s - still the heyday of network news, for better or worse. And no internets. I'm hard-pressed to figure how the current election cycle would have played out then.

Would a Trump-like figure have got this far, especially with WWII a not quite distant memory at the time?

If there was an "inevitable" nominee facing a Sanders-like figure, would the media have already written him off? I know that the Chicago 7 (was that the number) were not treated well in the press, and the Socialist label wouldn't have played well then. But without all of these side issues, I'm wondering whether, in a Sanders-Clinton type battle royale, would Sanders have been given the bum's rush, as he is now? Or would it have been "allowed" to pay out, with media doing what it's supposed to do, i.e., report?

This is all alternative history-type stuff, but I just got to wondering.

[randome]

77. Clinton could still get hit by a meteorite! I mean, it's possible, right?

[hr][font color="blue"][center]Don't ever underestimate the long-term effects of a good night's sleep.[/center][/font][hr]

[democrattotheend]

80. She herself said that it's important to stay in until the end because RFK was assassinated in June

Remember that? I guess Bernie should take her advice.

[randome]

84. There's food for thought.

Since they don't normally pick running mates until July or August, I guess that makes sense.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Don't ever underestimate the long-term effects of a good night's sleep.[/center][/font][hr]

[democrattotheend]

96. Even if they had picked running mates, I don't think the running mate has succession rights

Does the DNC charter provide that if something happens to a candidate who is officially nominated then the candidate nominated for VP is automatically nominated for president?

When this issue came up on the West Wing it seemed that it was murkier than that. Obviously that's just fiction, but since they had consultants on the show who worked in the Clinton White House they might actually have been stating the actual rules.

[PoliticAverse]

90. Which is more a possibility than her being indicted over the email issue, yes? n/t

[randome]

91. Depends on whether it's a Republican or Democratic meteorite.

Also whether it's from Mars or Mercury.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Don't ever underestimate the long-term effects of a good night's sleep.[/center][/font][hr]

[arcane1]

81. Give up? Hell no, I donated again this morning :)

[FighttheFuture]

83. Also, keep in mind, Hillary only increased her delegate lead by 57. Sure she "won" but its not WTA

(Winner Take All). The States more favorable to Bernie and his message are coming up.

Good post here on this: http://www.democraticunderground.com/1280148274

[Octafish]

87. Never Give Up the Good Fight!

Never Give Up the Fight for Bernie!

[felix_numinous]

93. Millions of dollars are poured into the M$M every day

to convince people not to believe their lying eyes, that all the stadiums full of people, marches, demonstrations are an illusion. Looking past the distortion field is a skill.

I hope all the elections are honest and that these machines are not hacked-- woe to anyone caught cheating in this election, I don't think they would be given a pass this time.

[Octafish]

95. We just ran out of time.

And we'll use what we have left to continue the trendline.

[AZ Progressive]

99. Not when our "presumptive nominee" is a Nixonian warmonger with Goldman handcuffs

[kennetha]

103. pretty small market for that messaging of yours, I'd say.

[passiveporcupine]

100. June seventh

Obama was still behind Hillary until June 7th.

Please people. Don't give up. This is too important. This is our children's future. Maybe out planet's future. Don't let the grave dancers get to you. Yes, they will try to demoralize you. Don't let them touch you.

Stay strong and GOTV for Bernie.

[WillyT]

101. All The Way To The Convention...

[kennetha]

102. A war criminal owned by Wall Street

Try selling that one to most Democrats.

Pretty narrow market for that one.

[ruralsteve]

104. If Bernie stands for what you stand for, . . .

how could you give up on him? If you did, maybe you didn't really stand for those things yourself in the first place. And if you give up if Bernie doesn't get selected at the convention, then you aren't exactly following Bernie's example. He's been fighting for these same things for decades. He doesn't know giving up.