Clinton to attend fundraiser hosted by exploiter of prison labor

[NWCorona]

"As part of an eight-day blitz of fundraisers, Clinton will attend an event hosted by Lyndon Rive, the CEO of SolarCity. SolarCity, which makes and installs solar energy panels, portrays itself as a progressive, “green” business, but the reality is quite different.

In 2012, SolarCity made a deal with the University of Oregon to build two large solar energy installations. As part of the deal, the company received a nearly 12 million dollar subsidy in the form of tax credits from the Oregon Department of Energy.

After taking the public money, SolarCity had the job subcontracted to prison labor. Prisoners were paid less than a dollar an hour – effectively slavery. Normal pay for workers who are not imprisoned range from $27-$70 an hour.

http://www.liberationnews.org/clinton-to-attend-fundraiser-hosted-by-exploiter-of-prison-labor/

[dana_b]

1. ugh....

make it stop...

[DanTex]

2. Newsflash: Hillary-bashing has failed. The voters have spoken.

Hillary-haters have been posting junk like this for 6+ months now, and at the end of the day, she has resoundingly won the primaries.

[morningfog]

3. This is not "Hillary bashing."

[DanTex]

4. Yes it is. And it's failed. And I couldn't be happier about that.

[NWCorona]

7. You sound like the thought police against the queen

No doubt there's Hillary bashers but this article isn't it.

[morningfog]

11. If think no one on DU will be discussing facts surrounding Hillary

from here on out, you are woefully mistaken.

[DanTex]

13. Hillary bashers are gonna bash Hillary, of course. But they've failed.

Hillary won. And all the bashing in the world won't change that.

[morningfog]

16. I see your disconnect. You think anything critical of Hillary is a "bash."

And you think the sole purpose of posting anything critical of Hillary is motivated toward her losing the nomination.

You misunderstand on both points. But I think I do understand your knee jerk emotional response better.

[DanTex]

18. I have no idea what the motivations of Hillary bashers are. They don't seem to be a particularly

rational group. But, at this point, it doesn't matter. They are irrelevant noise.

[morningfog]

20. If Hillary is out nominee, set to lead the party, her positions matter.

Her connections matter and our discussions of the same matter.

[Kittycat]

40. Not yet.

And see Skinner's message if your confused.

[morningfog]

42. Not yet what?

There is no requirement to post only fawning praise of our nominee or president, in the event she wins.

[kristopher]

56. Nope morningfog, that isn't accurate - DanTex is intent on disrupting the OP msg.

Doesn't want it talked about. It's a strategy that is congruent with the new policy on lack of consequences for hides.

[morningfog]

60. Which is why I have put him on ignore. Life is too short to deal with disingenuous trolls.

[DanTex]

21. Welcome to DU! LOL @ "judgement day"

[think]

29. Hillary taking donations from corporations using prison labor is a real hoot....

[Chan790]

43. I'd say it's just about disqualificative...

of any argument made by her supporters that she's a "real Democrat."

Real Democrats don't take money from incarceration slavers...real Democrats and all Americans have opposed from the start press-ganging in this country, which is all this is--modern press-ganging made legal through hoop-jumping and shenanigans.

The only real Democrat left in the Democratic primary isn't even a registered Democrat.

[synergie]

9. Yes, it is. But hey, if hobnobbing with those who abuse prisoners is an

actual issue for you, then let's hear about how evil Jane Sanders is for her photop and propaganda visit with Joe Arpaio.

Or how about the private prisons Burlington and Vermont do business with to ship all those minorities they arrest at a rate higher than Ferguson?

After all, it's not bashing to actually discuss facts, right?

[morningfog]

12. Post what you want. I didn't read the word evil in the

OP or my post. That's all yours. And referring to a candidate as evil, as you implied, would be bashing. Posting facts is not bashing.

[Autumn]

17. Does the article praise Hillary? Does it?

If it doesn't it's bashing her!!! Stop it!! You will make baby Cheese's cry.

[NWCorona]

5. Does that change the facts in this link

Yes Hillary has done a good job against Bernie but that doesn't mean the discussion is over.

I'm personally against prison labor. How about you?

[DanTex]

6. Nobody cares. Hillary-bashing has failed. She's the nominee no matter how much you hate her.

[NWCorona]

8. @ostrich syndrome

[morningfog]

14. Even if/when she is the official nominee, I will care.

Sad that you won't and don't.

[hatrack]

15. Yeah, we got it the first three times . . .

8.2 for consistency, though!

[840high]

31. You favor prison labor?

[AtomicKitten]

39. no, they just don't give a shit

[astrophuss42]

53. More and more

This seems to be the MO, basically "well, as long as it's not happening to me"....

[Chan790]

45. So many things.

A.) She isn't the nominee yet.

B.) Criticizing her affiliation and connections to anti-Democratic entities is not Hillary-bashing...it's protection of Democratic interests.

C.) The Democratic party is not a totalitarian entity. We are free to disagree with and oppose actions that we find reprehensible and not in-line with Democratic values, even by our nominee.

D.) It has hardly failed and is still working. Hillary will be the first nominee of either major party in the modern political era that will have to spend the general-election cycle evolving towards her base instead of moderating if she secures the nomination. That means, Dan, even if we lose on getting Sanders nominated...we won. Hillary is going to have to substantively abandon her platform to win the Presidency.

E.) Bash Hillary? In the immortal words of Val Kilmer playing Doc Holliday: "I have not yet begun! to defile myself!"

[synergie]

10. Are you now? Tell me, other than Hillary bashing for the most tangential connections,

what do you do to protest against prison labor? How about express your outrage over the abuse of prisoners? Where are all your posts about how Jane Sanders wandered unprepared into Joe Arpaio's prison, gave him publicity and a soap box as she nodded along and failed to challenge his lies?

The private prisons that Vermont ships all those minorities they arrest at a rate higher than Ferguson? Do they concern you? Are you against the prison labor in those places as well? Or is it yet another case of IOKIYABS?

I'm personally against hypocrisy, how about you?

[NWCorona]

22. Yes I am but I don't see it in the examples you list

In regards to Jane Sanders.

"Sanders used the opportunity to question Arpaio about racial profiling and his use of civilians to detain people who are undocumented. She questioned the inhumane treatment of prisoners who have to live outside under temperatures that can reach over 130 degrees., a charge he did not deny, saying they were prisoners. He bragged about removing meat from all their meals and having chain gangs."

I don't want or expect Jane to get in Joe's face but she didn't back down.

http://theslot.jezebel.com/jane-sanders-visits-arizona-sheriff-joe-arapios-infamou-1764982008

Yes the private prison system in Vermont bothers me as well. I don't think Bernie has benefited from them tho.

[bobbobbins01]

24. How is saying what she's actually doing "bashing"

Facts are facts.

[whatchamacallit]

30. Not all voters are indifferent to conflicts of interest

Sad might makes right mindset of HRC supporters...

[Logical]

32. Dan, once again, calling out Hillary is legit. She has some issues. Like the transcripts. nt

[JoePhilly]

44. Every anti-Hillary OP pushes the pro-Bernie OPs deeper and deeper ...

... down the GDP stack.

You'd think at some point they'd figure that out.

And then they wonder why the media only talks about Hillary.

Its probably because that's all Bernie's most ardent supporters do all day too.

[Chan790]

47. Strategically...

the best tack at this point for Sanders supporters is to use informational channels to poison Hillary's ability to remain in the race...make the environment toxic enough for Hillary-support and eventually TPTB will inform her that she's withdrawing to "spend time with her family." and start lobbying support for Sanders and conversion of her super-D support to drive her from the race if she does not comply.

I swear to God...sometimes I think Clinton supporters have no idea how to play the political game. It's like you've never actually managed to win an election before as much as somehow in all the bungling managed to not lose them. Fortunately for you, your candidate isn't that stupid, as much as it pains me to say that because I do truly despise her.

[JoePhilly]

50. I was an Obama supporter in 2008 ... I was right then ... and I'm right now.

Let's be very honest here ... there is no "movement".

The anti-Hillary folks here are the same folks who spent the last 7 years whining about Obama.

Rather than spend the time and effort to develop an array of "acceptably liberal" alternatives for 2016, they bitched and moaned about Obama, and then demand a primary against Obama in 2012 even though they had no candidate to run against him.

Failing that, they spent the next couple years doing nothing but complaining. Late in 2014, they suddenly started to realize their was an election in 2016 and they had no candidates ... so they tried to draft who? ... Warren.

And Warren turned them down. They complained some more. So Bernie stepped in. And they flocked to Bernie. The "movement" is really a roving band of disgruntled folks with little direction.

So where are they now?? They are coming to the realization that Bernie is not going to win the nomination.

The funny part for me is that I predicted all of this back in 2011. Over and over.

As the perpetually disgruntled complained about Obama, called for a primary opponent ... I recommended to them, again over and over, that they better get busy developing an array of alternatives to Hillary, or they'd spent 2015-2016 doing little more than complaining about her.

And so here we are. The perpetually disgruntled remain so. Their attacks have failed, and will continue to fail, just as they did back in 2012.

That's how the political game is actually played. And you are losing.

[Chan790]

54. Joe, I think we have different objectives.

Yours seems to be to win.

Mine is to drive Clintonites back into the GOP where they belonged all along. Well, they don't have to go back to the GOP...they can become independents or even "stay here, sit down, shut the fuck up and fall in line." (If you weren't aware...that's another one of those Rahm Emanuel quotes about liberals in the Democratic party.)

Do Clintonites even wonder any more why we hate them and are moving ever closer to the day we throw our hands up in the air, walk away for an election-cycle or two, and let the GOP steam-roll the Democratic establishment to death...we'll be there to rebuild the party from the ashes, but y'all won't be.

You need us more than we need you. You might want to remember that and solicitously begin to distribute the ass-kisses.

[floppyboo]

57. Gotta disagree

"Their attacks have failed, and will continue to fail, just as they did back in 2012.

That's how the political game is actually played. And you are losing."

I remember the media spin on the occupy movement - bunch of disgruntled lazy kids and old drop-outs etc. with no leadership or direction.

If you look at what the Sanders campaign has accomplished with the Democratic Party, bringing democratic values back into full light, as this revelation of prison labour does, I don't think 'losing' is the right description. 'Correcting' is more correct.

[CBGLuthier]

52. News Flash. The truth is not bashing.

You are so blinded by your worship of a false idol.

[nc4bo]

23. Wink-wink. nt

[Doctor_J]

25. NRA lobbyist last week, slave labor entrepeneur this week

that's our nominee!

[NWCorona]

27. Yup!

[MisterP]

33. if she feels confident, the mask slips

ironically if she feels desperate, the mask also slips

[HereSince1628]

26. No accident she won in the sweat shop capital of 'made in America'

[Kalidurga]

28. The Clintons just can't get enough of exploiting prisoners can they.

See my sig line for the worst story you will ever read and mind the sources all RW jerk sources like Salon and Ottawa Citizen.

[Tarc]

34. And this is a problem...why?

Programs such as the one discussed here teach inmates job skills to prepare them for life after release.

The claim that it is "effectively slavery" is Grade-A Bullshit. Try getting your news from more reputable outlets, e.g. Reuters, than some 3rd-rate blog.

[Doctor_J]

37. And I suppose taking money from an NRA lobbyist is OK because

"the NRA does more to promote gun safety than any other organization in the US"

You can always find excuses for these abominations. But when Hillary says she'll do something about mass incarceration, then takes money from someone who profits obscenely from that practice, don't be surprised when some of us take this as an indication that she might be the biggest hypocrite running for office this year.

[Tarc]

38. Seeing how I own guns myself, that's not an issue for me

So...

I'm no friend of the NRA, bit extreme for my tastes, but otherwise, gun ownership is fine by me.

[MaggieD]

35. This is an Elon Musk company

Should we shut it down because they used cheap labor for one public project? Just about every solar panel maker does. It's the only way to produce them in the US and still compete with China.

The first two bidders backed out, and one went bankrupt.

"The Oregon schools’ bid for a big solar array program that would create jobs while reducing emissions didn’t actually start with SolarCity. As outlined by The Oregonian, the first developer backed out over concerns that the tax credits wouldn’t come through, and the second developer, the Renewable Energy Development Corp., known as REDCO, went bankrupt."

Enough with the 6 degrees of separation smears of Clinton. Ridiculous.

[NWCorona]

36. Not cheap labor

Prison labor. I personally think it should be against the law but that's me

Edit: Also it's like one degree of separation.

[Chan790]

48. It's amazing to me...

how many Democrats are willing to turn a blind-eye to what amounts to incarcerative press-ganging.

Mind you, if they or their loved ones were press-ganged, then they'd be opposed to the practice...but as long as it's only being done to prison inmates, I guess who the fuck cares, right?

What the fuck is happening to this party?

It's like they've all gone mad. You and me, Corona, I think we're the only sane ones left around here.

[PonyUp]

41. Doesn't she have any scruples at all? n/t

[Starry Messenger]

46. I hope none of you shop at Whole Foods.

LOL

[Chan790]

49. Nope.

I get all my produce from my half-share in my local farm co-op. My eggs come from the neighbor's pet chicken. Milk and dairy from my share in a local dairy exchange. The only things I grocery-shop for are things like sauces, condiments and spices.

Do people actually shop at Whole Paycheck?

[peacebird]

51. I shop whole paycheck only for things I can't get elsewhere, like tumeric root

My meat comes from a schoolteacher who raises cows & pigs a mile from my home, eggs come from my flock of hens.

: )

[Chan790]

58. Hmm. Tumeric?

Have you tried Penzey's mail-order? I used to receive their catalog...it's full of stories and articles. They try to keep it human-interesty while apolitical (they are headquartered in Paul Ryan's district in WI) but it's pretty clear that the personal politics of the family that owns the business are liberal.

https://www.penzeys.com/

https://www.penzeys.com/online-catalog/turmeric/c-24/p-1177/pd-s

0.95 oz, 1/4 cup jar: $2.95
1.9 oz, 1/2 cup jar: $4.95
2.9 oz, 3/4 cup bag: $6.29
5.7 oz, 1.5 cup bag: $9.49
11.4 oz, 3 cup bag: $14.29

I don't know what you're paying now for turmeric but those don't seem like bad prices for bulk-spices.

[peacebird]

59. Tumeric root, raw & fresh. I use that instead of dried and powdered. Same for garlic and ginger

But I can get those anywhere.

But I use Penzies spice blends also!

[Chan790]

62. Hmm...that's a tougher one.

I tried a google search...and it seems the choices are WF or Amazon...or living near an Indian market.

Though apparently, if you're even remotely gardeny...you can grow your own in a flowerpot. You just find a piece with 2 or 3 buds at the market and plant it. It apparently grows so well that most people have the opposite problem...they end up with more than they can use.

[peacebird]

63. I have tried twice, but it rotted... :( I have been able to grow ginger!

I will look for a piece that has actual buds on it next time I buy it! Maybe that was my problem...

Horseradish grows very easily!

[NWCorona]

55. Fuck whole foods!

That's a Republican run establishment.

[heaven05]

61. yep

a Clinton administration that facilitated this is just one of the major negatives in my book. We need a true progressive, not a person associated with destroying lives over one joint of marijuana to provide slave labor for this type of animal interested only in profit, not people.

[thereismore]

64. She is pristine and unaffected by any of her unsavory associates and associations.