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sadoldgirl

(3,431 posts)
Wed Mar 16, 2016, 10:29 PM Mar 2016

By now I am truly disgusted with the HRC supporters.

Intimidation, indirect voter "suppression" seem to take
hold today by many of her supporters.

27 states have not voted yet, and there are quite a
number of big ones. That is more than half of the states.
It is either:"Trump is coming" fear mongering or
"It is all over,so unite behind the Inevitable" discouragement.

This "Fall in line now!" reminds me of repug tactics, and should
be totally abhorrent to the dems.

Don't forget that HRC will need all the help she can get from
the Bernie supporters, but this attitude drives them exactly
in the opposite direction.

Bernie said he would be in this competition until the
convention, and he will do so. Deal with that without
screaming out "Get out already!"

Your effort to influence lurkers or some undecideds,
will only bring you a large loss of votes for HRC.

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By now I am truly disgusted with the HRC supporters. (Original Post) sadoldgirl Mar 2016 OP
... Xipe Totec Mar 2016 #1
Loved the cowpoke using a lint roller on his jacket. senz Mar 2016 #71
K&R and completely agree. Betty Karlson Mar 2016 #2
They won, so they get to twist the knife and dance on our graves. Still In Wisconsin Mar 2016 #3
No, they have not won yet. sadoldgirl Mar 2016 #5
And don't forget that her firewall states floriduck Mar 2016 #89
Irrelevant that the states are red JustABozoOnThisBus Mar 2016 #96
They did well YESTERDAY, but not as well as expected, and they have NOT won yet. kath Mar 2016 #6
They have made it very clear they don't want our votes jfern Mar 2016 #12
No, they want them.. They just think you have nowhere else to go.... tokenlib Mar 2016 #20
Bulworth said it best eggman67 Mar 2016 #58
I've been told more than once on this site that my vote isn't needed. vintx Mar 2016 #91
What do you want? You want us to beg? fun n serious Mar 2016 #94
They are trying to hide reality as shown visually in this graph Dragonfli Mar 2016 #4
300+ delegates is quite far behind, actually, especially in a proportional system. NuclearDem Mar 2016 #10
But far from hopeless or an assured victory Dragonfli Mar 2016 #23
That's what Hillary thought in 2008 when her deficit was 1/3 of Bernies. nt stevenleser Mar 2016 #25
Now I understand why people keep screaming so loudly that the supers shouldn't matter Number23 Mar 2016 #56
Absolutely. Fact is that the process is what it is, and the Supers have never decided who won. stevenleser Mar 2016 #64
Math, it's not for everyone. giftedgirl77 Mar 2016 #103
And she stayed in until June. TM99 Mar 2016 #88
And I wanted her to get out earlier. We're lucky it didn't cost us. nt stevenleser Mar 2016 #90
Yeah, you hated her then and love her now. TM99 Mar 2016 #100
And I cite the reason which of course you will gloss over. But the proof is all over GD-P stevenleser Mar 2016 #101
Why must we be graceful when TM99 Mar 2016 #104
There are actually 2,087 remaining delegates. DemocraticWing Mar 2016 #18
If the gap widens any more, then its time to worry. bobbobbins01 Mar 2016 #66
I'm concerned about Arizona. Closed primary and poll numbers look pretty bad. DemocraticWing Mar 2016 #72
I think he has to win 62% of remaining delegates to win. yardwork Mar 2016 #99
As a working class white guy I feel increasingly unwelcome in the Democratic Party. Odin2005 Mar 2016 #7
+1000000 liberal_at_heart Mar 2016 #11
+1000 nt Live and Learn Mar 2016 #98
It sure seems like the third way is determined Mnpaul Mar 2016 #122
Their hubris will be their downfall. Just like 2000. They despise the Left rhett o rick Mar 2016 #8
Some people on the internet want your candidate to drop out. You call that voter intimidation? MadBadger Mar 2016 #9
Excellent - you just proved her point jillan Mar 2016 #13
Great job providing a perfect example. (nt) jeff47 Mar 2016 #16
There are a whole lot of overreactions on this board. MadBadger Mar 2016 #19
Such as yours. (nt) jeff47 Mar 2016 #22
Overreaction?? tokenlib Mar 2016 #26
Jim Crow anybody? That's what intimidation looks like MadBadger Mar 2016 #29
You can't be serious. NuclearDem Mar 2016 #31
Oh they're serious. They're completely melodramatic with anything said about Bernie stevenleser Mar 2016 #34
Well, he implies Sanders supporters are idiots who don't know the basics of history jeff47 Mar 2016 #75
Given that certain Sanders supporters seem to equate the absence of an echo chamber NuclearDem Mar 2016 #78
If it was a frank discussion, then it wouldn't be an example jeff47 Mar 2016 #80
Anonymous sarcasm and ridicule do not constitute intimidation and suppression. NuclearDem Mar 2016 #86
You mean like the ones that Howard Dean has encountered? Kalidurga Mar 2016 #105
I never mentioned Howard Dean. NuclearDem Mar 2016 #114
Sorry, not just some, it seems to be the meme of the day. sadoldgirl Mar 2016 #24
Do they give an "Or else...?" MadBadger Mar 2016 #28
Oh, give me a break. You are fooling no one. It is intimidation and you are going on my ignore list. liberal_at_heart Mar 2016 #33
Good call! Jenny_92808 Mar 2016 #62
I'll buy that for a dollar! [n/t] Maedhros Mar 2016 #106
If Hillary is the nominee Trump will be President. He will destroy her. She does not jillan Mar 2016 #49
Okay MadBadger Mar 2016 #50
More than half the pledged delegates are no longer up for grabs. MohRokTah Mar 2016 #14
Bernie's funds will slowly evaporate as his delegate count fails to keep pace. oasis Mar 2016 #36
The tactics, the words, this "you have nowhere else to go"... tokenlib Mar 2016 #15
Let's see.. asuhornets Mar 2016 #17
"reminds me of repug tactics". William769 Mar 2016 #21
Pictured below: voter intimidation and suppression. NuclearDem Mar 2016 #27
Exactly MadBadger Mar 2016 #35
+1 betsuni Mar 2016 #73
+ 100 JoePhilly Mar 2016 #108
Those states are still going to vote KingFlorez Mar 2016 #30
Post removed Post removed Mar 2016 #32
That's like the definition of suppression MadBadger Mar 2016 #37
That's pretty funny, considering that GusBob is a huge HRC supporter...false flag at its finest! nt djean111 Mar 2016 #84
Nope, no longer possible. The 5 hide suspension is itself suspended stevenleser Mar 2016 #39
It is very interesting that you seem to be a part of this. eom sadoldgirl Mar 2016 #41
What is your issue with the site-owner's decision? Hekate Mar 2016 #43
No, apparently they take orders from me, haven't you heard? It's Leser Underground! stevenleser Mar 2016 #48
Now I'm pissed. NanceGreggs Mar 2016 #69
I know, right? I'm pissed too. I want my share of the profits, retroactive to 2001. stevenleser Mar 2016 #70
To answer your question, her issue is that silencing Hillary supporters was an organized tactic stevenleser Mar 2016 #54
How about melman Mar 2016 #63
How do you know that? I don't think that is a safe assumption. stevenleser Mar 2016 #67
LOL, what are you accusing me of now? Don't be shy, spell it out, because it sounds like stevenleser Mar 2016 #44
Now THAT is disgusting and Un-democratic. Hekate Mar 2016 #40
AUTOMATED MESSAGE: Results of your Jury Service.. nc4bo Mar 2016 #52
Gusbob messaged me, he was being sarcastic. I thought that could be the case but I told him... stevenleser Mar 2016 #65
Tsk. This is just a discussion board. In real life I expect most of the Dem voters... Hekate Mar 2016 #38
Like x 1000000 AgadorSparticus Mar 2016 #53
LET them scream. John Poet Mar 2016 #42
Bernie supporters will either show up for Hillary or they won't. Chichiri Mar 2016 #45
And every dollar being spent having to campaign against Bernie NuclearDem Mar 2016 #47
Precisely. nt Chichiri Mar 2016 #55
Again, what it comes down to is a simple issue of "the numbers" Tarc Mar 2016 #46
I can understand their attitude HassleCat Mar 2016 #51
I understand a lot of this, but their effort to sadoldgirl Mar 2016 #60
WA voter here. Voting for Bernie on March 26! liberal_at_heart Mar 2016 #61
After a year of running a campaign claiming that anyone who didn't support their candidate jfern Mar 2016 #57
Won't matter if the primary is over or not. gcomeau Mar 2016 #81
Bernie should have threatened a 3rd party run if they ddin't treat him with jfern Mar 2016 #111
That is not Bernie though Mnpaul Mar 2016 #118
Don't forget that Bernie will need all the help he can get should he win the nomination alcibiades_mystery Mar 2016 #59
Thank you, and it would need a terrific effort sadoldgirl Mar 2016 #68
If they really belived Bernie had no chance, Waiting For Everyman Mar 2016 #74
Suppression? Don't you think you are going overboard with this? hrmjustin Mar 2016 #76
HUGE K & R !!! - THANK YOU !!! WillyT Mar 2016 #77
So now Bernie fans are down to issuing threats? workinclasszero Mar 2016 #79
Reminds me of this scene UglyGreed Mar 2016 #82
How does one sleep at night NowSam Mar 2016 #83
They are masters of doublethink. Maedhros Mar 2016 #107
I say the same thing to everyone: Do not base your vote on the supporters of any candidate. merrily Mar 2016 #85
So you're making unfounded accusations about them? We're a bit disgusted too, we see the synergie Mar 2016 #87
I don't know who has been saying that fun n serious Mar 2016 #92
Trash & Ignore are my favorite features - I don't see most of the nasty anymore. IdaBriggs Mar 2016 #93
Um, *lynching* is voter suppression. Starry Messenger Mar 2016 #95
this obamanut2012 Mar 2016 #97
K&R warrprayer Mar 2016 #102
DUs very own Bastille Day. Lot's of returning Hillary folk. I wonder where they have been? LuvLoogie Mar 2016 #109
Our voices were "supressed", to use the OP's term. JoePhilly Mar 2016 #110
Thank you! improvingthecountry Mar 2016 #112
Well, then you know how many HRC supporters feel about BS supporters. book_worm Mar 2016 #113
Hillary is not a Democrat... Rockyj Mar 2016 #115
You call it the "Democrat" party? That's what we call a "tell" in poker. PeaceNikki Mar 2016 #119
I agree. Power hungry type. kgnu_fan Mar 2016 #116
I've never not voted for any presidential candidate but Democratic. I'll be on the fence if Sanders Vote2016 Mar 2016 #117
She won't need all the help she can get... smiley Mar 2016 #120
GOTV for Bernie. Let's go to the Convention with as much jwirr Mar 2016 #121
The purpose of the primary is to elect a president, not line Tad Devine's and Jeff Weaver's pockets Renew Deal Mar 2016 #123
It took you this long? The DU supporters on this board have been trying to intimidate since 2008 Bread and Circus Mar 2016 #124
 

Still In Wisconsin

(4,450 posts)
3. They won, so they get to twist the knife and dance on our graves.
Wed Mar 16, 2016, 10:32 PM
Mar 2016

Whether it will help in the GE is another question. I think a lot of what we're seeing and will continue to see is a desire in the Clinton camp to excise the left wing of the Democratic party. Regardless, there are still downballot progressives to support.

sadoldgirl

(3,431 posts)
5. No, they have not won yet.
Wed Mar 16, 2016, 10:37 PM
Mar 2016

Don't forget the West coast, including CA.

But your state has not voted yet either, so
why give up so quickly?

JustABozoOnThisBus

(23,225 posts)
96. Irrelevant that the states are red
Thu Mar 17, 2016, 01:47 PM
Mar 2016

At this time, she's counting delegates. Period.

Oh, and maybe hustling for more money.

kath

(10,565 posts)
6. They did well YESTERDAY, but not as well as expected, and they have NOT won yet.
Wed Mar 16, 2016, 10:38 PM
Mar 2016

And the Confederacy is all done voting.

for Some perspective, see the chart in this OP: http://www.democraticunderground.com/1280149097

tokenlib

(4,186 posts)
20. No, they want them.. They just think you have nowhere else to go....
Wed Mar 16, 2016, 10:47 PM
Mar 2016

it is arrogance pure and simple.

 

vintx

(1,748 posts)
91. I've been told more than once on this site that my vote isn't needed.
Thu Mar 17, 2016, 01:05 PM
Mar 2016

Glad to know they've got this all locked up. I can just put my feet up and watch this time around.

 

fun n serious

(4,451 posts)
94. What do you want? You want us to beg?
Thu Mar 17, 2016, 01:09 PM
Mar 2016

We won't. If you think we have been nasty to you, you're wrong. I have screen shots of all kinds of things including the brick issue

Dragonfli

(10,622 posts)
23. But far from hopeless or an assured victory
Wed Mar 16, 2016, 10:48 PM
Mar 2016

There are more delegates left up for grabs than both have obtained combined thus far. Not to mention there are a great many Sanders favorable states coming up Since less than half the delegates have thus far been allocated, whose to say that the second half doesn't catch him up? I actually think it's likely, especially in states where cheating will be more difficult.

Number23

(24,544 posts)
56. Now I understand why people keep screaming so loudly that the supers shouldn't matter
Wed Mar 16, 2016, 11:22 PM
Mar 2016

If they think that a 314 delegate difference is nothing, then the extra 440 from the supers must surely be too much to comprehend.

Hillary may not need the supers but she's got them nonetheless. And that's an extra 440 delegates who are committed to making sure that she wins.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
64. Absolutely. Fact is that the process is what it is, and the Supers have never decided who won.
Wed Mar 16, 2016, 11:36 PM
Mar 2016

And I like that a process exists that attempts to prevent the catastrophe that could very well hit the Republicans this year. The next brokered convention, if either party has a next one, will be such a cluster-f**k that even more draconian measures will be put into place afterwards to make sure they never happen again.

Consider that 1968 was such a complete disaster without Social media and the internet. Imagine if the entire world had been kept abreast minute by minute what was happening at that convention. That is what threatens to face the GOP this year.

I think the Republicans' solution to prevent a brokered convention is worse and doesnt seem like it is going to work. Their large winner take all states seem much less fair to someone trying to catch up.

 

TM99

(8,352 posts)
100. Yeah, you hated her then and love her now.
Thu Mar 17, 2016, 03:18 PM
Mar 2016

We know, we know.

The primary voting starting in January. I think going a few more months is not going to hurt the party.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
101. And I cite the reason which of course you will gloss over. But the proof is all over GD-P
Thu Mar 17, 2016, 03:20 PM
Mar 2016

Grace when facing a loss is not easy. And you guys aren't even the candidate and don't have as much invested.

 

TM99

(8,352 posts)
104. Why must we be graceful when
Thu Mar 17, 2016, 03:26 PM
Mar 2016

less than half of the delegates have been awarded after only two months of voting?

DemocraticWing

(1,290 posts)
18. There are actually 2,087 remaining delegates.
Wed Mar 16, 2016, 10:46 PM
Mar 2016

Bernie needs to win roughly 57% of what's left to tie. This isn't impossible, but is increasingly unlikely. Let's see how Arizona, Idaho, and Utah vote and then reassess.

bobbobbins01

(1,681 posts)
66. If the gap widens any more, then its time to worry.
Wed Mar 16, 2016, 11:43 PM
Mar 2016

The campaign has been saying since the very beginning that the 15th would be the last stand for Clinton. That is why they're making such a fuss right now, because things are expected to shift dramatically going forward.

DemocraticWing

(1,290 posts)
72. I'm concerned about Arizona. Closed primary and poll numbers look pretty bad.
Thu Mar 17, 2016, 12:33 AM
Mar 2016

If we don't get killed there, however, we have a nice run through the next few states up until New York. NY is followed by a bunch of other east coast primaries the next week...those two weeks are probably the last stand. Either we win big or it's just a formality at that point.

Odin2005

(53,521 posts)
7. As a working class white guy I feel increasingly unwelcome in the Democratic Party.
Wed Mar 16, 2016, 10:40 PM
Mar 2016

Caring about income inequality for everyone is now considered racist, apparently.

Mnpaul

(3,655 posts)
122. It sure seems like the third way is determined
Thu Mar 17, 2016, 10:35 PM
Mar 2016

to drive the rest of us away. They chased away a good chunk away in the 90's with their free trade deals and are now attempting to finish the job. It's a stupid move but they have fondness for stupid moves(as proven in recent elections).

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
8. Their hubris will be their downfall. Just like 2000. They despise the Left
Wed Mar 16, 2016, 10:41 PM
Mar 2016

because we won't acquiesce to the Ruling Class. We will not ignore those suffering among us. They want us to take the ACA and be happy with it and consider the 50 million living in poverty just collateral damage of the Ruling Classes looting the lower classes.

MadBadger

(24,089 posts)
9. Some people on the internet want your candidate to drop out. You call that voter intimidation?
Wed Mar 16, 2016, 10:41 PM
Mar 2016

You probably could use a good history lesson.

tokenlib

(4,186 posts)
26. Overreaction??
Wed Mar 16, 2016, 10:51 PM
Mar 2016

You said "history." We have almost thirty years of arrogant New Dems playing these games to get us to vote for the lesser of evils. It's old...and predictable...

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
34. Oh they're serious. They're completely melodramatic with anything said about Bernie
Wed Mar 16, 2016, 10:56 PM
Mar 2016

or about them, inflating it to insane proportions and then are completely nasty with Hillary and her supporters and can't seem to remember they did any of that 30 seconds after doing it.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
75. Well, he implies Sanders supporters are idiots who don't know the basics of history
Thu Mar 17, 2016, 12:16 PM
Mar 2016

and are whiny brats to boot.

You wanna pretend that is not an insult?

 

NuclearDem

(16,184 posts)
78. Given that certain Sanders supporters seem to equate the absence of an echo chamber
Thu Mar 17, 2016, 12:20 PM
Mar 2016

with voter intimidation and suppression, it's kind of hard to disagree with that.

Sorry, but frank discussion about Sanders' chances is not intimidation or suppression.

 

NuclearDem

(16,184 posts)
86. Anonymous sarcasm and ridicule do not constitute intimidation and suppression.
Thu Mar 17, 2016, 12:30 PM
Mar 2016

At some point, people who have made a habit of making absolutely absurd, borderline insulting claims of victimhood lose any right to be taken seriously.

Calling a spade a spade is not suppression.

 

NuclearDem

(16,184 posts)
114. I never mentioned Howard Dean.
Thu Mar 17, 2016, 07:30 PM
Mar 2016

But you're right, he hasn't been intimidated from voting, and neither have Sanders supporters.

sadoldgirl

(3,431 posts)
24. Sorry, not just some, it seems to be the meme of the day.
Wed Mar 16, 2016, 10:49 PM
Mar 2016

And they know clearly that he won't do it, but keep
telling his supporters that the fight is over and we better
line up behind HRH.

If you think that Bernie supporters will be enticed by
this to vote for her, you must be living on a different
planet than I do.

MadBadger

(24,089 posts)
28. Do they give an "Or else...?"
Wed Mar 16, 2016, 10:51 PM
Mar 2016

Gotta have that to actually be intimidation, and more so than just Trump will be President.

jillan

(39,451 posts)
49. If Hillary is the nominee Trump will be President. He will destroy her. She does not
Wed Mar 16, 2016, 11:15 PM
Mar 2016

hold up very well to scrutiny.

 

MohRokTah

(15,429 posts)
14. More than half the pledged delegates are no longer up for grabs.
Wed Mar 16, 2016, 10:44 PM
Mar 2016

As of the pledged delegate count right now, Sanders needs more than 58% of all remaining pledged delegates to take a simple majority of pledged delegates (2026). To achieve that, Sanders needs better than Minnesota margins in ALL of the remaining 24 states, 3 territories and the District of Columbia.

oasis

(49,043 posts)
36. Bernie's funds will slowly evaporate as his delegate count fails to keep pace.
Wed Mar 16, 2016, 10:57 PM
Mar 2016

He was already picking and choosing which states to campaign in before the SWEEP ever happened.

tokenlib

(4,186 posts)
15. The tactics, the words, this "you have nowhere else to go"...
Wed Mar 16, 2016, 10:45 PM
Mar 2016

...This is all Third Way/ New Dem/Clintonite boilerplate language and tactics. It gets old after almost THIRTY YEARS....

 

NuclearDem

(16,184 posts)
27. Pictured below: voter intimidation and suppression.
Wed Mar 16, 2016, 10:51 PM
Mar 2016





Not pictured: People having an open, peaceful discussion about the chances of your candidate in contests down the road.

If you're not comfortable dealing with the reality that Sanders' path forward is looking more and more grim just due to the sheer numbers, then fine, such is your right to feel that way. If you're not happy that people are discussing this, then tough, democratic and open discussion will sometimes expose you to viewpoints and ideas that you don't find comforting.

If you're so horribly terrified and depressed by these sorts of discussions going on that it somehow makes you not want to vote, then that's not our problem--that's yours. I've voted in every single federal election I've been eligible to participate in--voting Democrat in a deep red Indiana county. Toughen up. Having your feelings hurt isn't voter suppression. Being falsely terrified of being subject to criminal penalties is suppression. Armed thugs standing outside polling places is suppression. Disenfranchising the poor through ID laws is suppression.

Enough with the damn hyperbole.

KingFlorez

(12,689 posts)
30. Those states are still going to vote
Wed Mar 16, 2016, 10:53 PM
Mar 2016

Last time I checked those races were not canceled. Talking about the math is not voter suppression. What is more disgusting is this plan to try and get pledged delegates to vote for a candidate that they were not pledged to.

Response to sadoldgirl (Original post)

 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
84. That's pretty funny, considering that GusBob is a huge HRC supporter...false flag at its finest! nt
Thu Mar 17, 2016, 12:27 PM
Mar 2016
 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
39. Nope, no longer possible. The 5 hide suspension is itself suspended
Wed Mar 16, 2016, 11:00 PM
Mar 2016
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1013&pid=5098

We've also decided to try removing the current "five hides and you're out" restriction, mainly because we suspect that members would be more likely to vote to hide bad behavior if they didn't feel like one of their friends might get canned over it. So while members can still be flagged for review for getting posts hidden too quickly, there's no more five-hide suspension. And anyone who is currently suspended for getting five hides is able to post again as of now. We reserve the right to change this decision if it seems like it's having the opposite effect to what was intended.
 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
48. No, apparently they take orders from me, haven't you heard? It's Leser Underground!
Wed Mar 16, 2016, 11:14 PM
Mar 2016

Cue the evil laugh: Bwahahahahahahahaha... cough cough...

NanceGreggs

(27,813 posts)
69. Now I'm pissed.
Wed Mar 16, 2016, 11:52 PM
Mar 2016

Why didn't you tell me that this is now LeserUnderground?

I would have spent a lot more time here if I'd known.

Thanks for nuthin', Steven.


 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
54. To answer your question, her issue is that silencing Hillary supporters was an organized tactic
Wed Mar 16, 2016, 11:20 PM
Mar 2016

of Sanders supporters that has now been taken away.

That's the only answer that makes sense given her response and attitude. She's mad that all those Hillary supporters can post again.

 

melman

(7,681 posts)
63. How about
Wed Mar 16, 2016, 11:36 PM
Mar 2016

that the worst, most abusive posters have been given a license to troll with impunity.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
67. How do you know that? I don't think that is a safe assumption.
Wed Mar 16, 2016, 11:45 PM
Mar 2016

My guess is that Skinner and EarlG are keeping a pretty close eye on the place after lifting the five hide rule to see if that exact thing is about to happen. I think if anyone in fact does try to take advantage of it, they will find themselves out on their backsides pretty quickly.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
44. LOL, what are you accusing me of now? Don't be shy, spell it out, because it sounds like
Wed Mar 16, 2016, 11:10 PM
Mar 2016

you are accusing me of somehow being a part of DU's decision-making to alter its rules.

As if I have that much pull with Skinner and EarlG. Believe me, I don't. If I had my way, GD-P would no longer exist and the presumptive nominee rules would be in effect.

Hekate

(89,561 posts)
40. Now THAT is disgusting and Un-democratic.
Wed Mar 16, 2016, 11:04 PM
Mar 2016

JURY: Poster advises that the way to "manage HRC supporters on DU" is to "Build up hides on them so that they get time outs on DU." It is this plan I am characterizing as disgusting.

nc4bo

(17,651 posts)
52. AUTOMATED MESSAGE: Results of your Jury Service..
Wed Mar 16, 2016, 11:19 PM
Mar 2016

On Thu Mar 17, 2016, 12:08 AM an alert was sent on the following post:

Here's what you do to manage the HRC supporters on DU
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1511414

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Poster says the way "to manage HRC supporters on DU" is to "build up hides on them so that they get time outs on DU."


JURY RESULTS

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Thu Mar 17, 2016, 12:13 AM, and the Jury voted 5-2 to HIDE IT.

Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: It's a dick move, but I do not see how this message is a DU TOS violation
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Well it's a strategy that certainly has been employed on Sanders supporters as well. Real stinko stuff either way. Vote to hide.
Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: That certainly puts the problem right out front doesn't it ?
Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: This is so wrong to do and the poster must not have read Skinner's post yet. I just finished it. If you cannot argue why your candidate is better you are better off being quiet. You make your candidate look less desirable when you stoop to low blows.
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: This is a hard one. The advice violates the spirit of DU, and the post is manipulative AND divisive, but I think this is something that can be addressed with a rebuke rather than a deletion.

In addition, as the alerter says, the five-hide rule has been suspended, so the poster's impotent.

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.
 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
65. Gusbob messaged me, he was being sarcastic. I thought that could be the case but I told him...
Wed Mar 16, 2016, 11:40 PM
Mar 2016

that he should have used the :sarc: tag.

Hekate

(89,561 posts)
38. Tsk. This is just a discussion board. In real life I expect most of the Dem voters...
Wed Mar 16, 2016, 10:59 PM
Mar 2016

...will pull together when the time comes. If that means "falling in line" to you, so be it. May I remind you that you don't have to if you don't want to.

But on this discussion board, as opposed to real life, I don't expect any help AT ALL from most of the Bernie supporters who post here. They have made it plain that they think HRC is a criminal, felon, murderer, thief, and all the other RW-sourced stuff from the past 30 years, so I mostly just leave them alone and don't bother.

I'm not going to try to convert anyone here, any more than I try to convert my next door neighbor who is an Evangelical Christian Republican. He's actually a great neighbor -- I just resolutely refuse to discuss religion, politics, or social policy with him.

I believe in civility. I wish we had some more of it here. Spread the word.

Chichiri

(4,667 posts)
45. Bernie supporters will either show up for Hillary or they won't.
Wed Mar 16, 2016, 11:11 PM
Mar 2016

Either the Supreme Court will matter to them, or it won't. That's the size of it. Meanwhile, every dollar being spent for Bernie is a dollar not spent against Trump.

 

NuclearDem

(16,184 posts)
47. And every dollar being spent having to campaign against Bernie
Wed Mar 16, 2016, 11:13 PM
Mar 2016

is a dollar not being spent campaigning against Trump.

Tarc

(10,469 posts)
46. Again, what it comes down to is a simple issue of "the numbers"
Wed Mar 16, 2016, 11:11 PM
Mar 2016

If Sanders runs every single state left on the calendar at 60%-40%, he only winds up with a net +90 over Clinton; that is how deep of a math hole he's in today.

We know that's not going to happen, and if we dose those numbers with some cold realism...KY, Wash DC, 70% for Hillary, split NY and NJ, she's back on top.

Math. Sorry, but it is what it is.

 

HassleCat

(6,409 posts)
51. I can understand their attitude
Wed Mar 16, 2016, 11:16 PM
Mar 2016

None of this was supposed to happen. Sanders was supposed to be nothing more then the flavor of the week, a flavor that nobody would remember by now. "Was it vanilla? Lemon, perhaps? Ah, who cares!" This is tough on them because it undermines the notion that Clinton is a steamroller, a force of nature, and so on. She is vulnerable, and can be effectively opposed by such an unlikely candidate as Bernie Sanders, and old guy from a small state who enjoys faint support from within the party. If he can give her a run for her money, imagine what a time she would have battling Donald Trump.

sadoldgirl

(3,431 posts)
60. I understand a lot of this, but their effort to
Wed Mar 16, 2016, 11:30 PM
Mar 2016

shut down the primaries, as well as telling everyone
that it is over.....

Well, I think that the West coast people will be only
too happy to be told that their voices or votes are
totally useless.

jfern

(5,204 posts)
57. After a year of running a campaign claiming that anyone who didn't support their candidate
Wed Mar 16, 2016, 11:23 PM
Mar 2016

was a sexist and racist white male, they are trying to plead for unity before the primary is over? Fuck them.

 

gcomeau

(5,764 posts)
81. Won't matter if the primary is over or not.
Thu Mar 17, 2016, 12:24 PM
Mar 2016
If this ends with Clinton getting the nomination the only path forward for progressives who want a Democratic Party for the left will be to throw support to Jill Stein. Sure as hell can't support the Clinton mad dash to the right and war against progressive principles.

If the Greens can break 5% support nationally and secure equal ballot access and public funding that will game change the next election. The party will have no choice but to turn left to secure its base instead of fucking them over then daring them not to support them by using the GOP as a threat.

jfern

(5,204 posts)
111. Bernie should have threatened a 3rd party run if they ddin't treat him with
Thu Mar 17, 2016, 05:53 PM
Mar 2016

some basic respect.

Mnpaul

(3,655 posts)
118. That is not Bernie though
Thu Mar 17, 2016, 10:28 PM
Mar 2016

he lacks the vindictive mean streak so common in DC. It is not about him, it's about the voters.

sadoldgirl

(3,431 posts)
68. Thank you, and it would need a terrific effort
Wed Mar 16, 2016, 11:50 PM
Mar 2016

for that, I understand that quite well.

However, my point was somewhat different.

Should HRC win the nomination, I don't think that
the efforts on just this board, but overall, to try to
tell people that their efforts to keep Bernie going,
is not only futile but hurts their candidate is a great
way to backfire for the GE.

The ball for this is in the court of the HRC campaign,
and "they have nowhere else to go" may just give a
tremendous boost to J. Stein.

Waiting For Everyman

(9,385 posts)
74. If they really belived Bernie had no chance,
Thu Mar 17, 2016, 02:13 AM
Mar 2016

they wouldn't be trying to get rid of him and depress his voters to lower the results.

If they really thought it was all over they'd want Bernie to stay in, to increase her media coverage. Once there's no race, there's nothing to cover. The convention won't be until months from now.

Tune them out, and work and vote and donate as if every vote were the tie breaker. It might be that close. But don't quit till the end.

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
79. So now Bernie fans are down to issuing threats?
Thu Mar 17, 2016, 12:22 PM
Mar 2016

Well that's gonna win many voters to your side no doubt

Good and clear sign of a failed candidacy though. Congrats OP.

 

Maedhros

(10,007 posts)
107. They are masters of doublethink.
Thu Mar 17, 2016, 03:40 PM
Mar 2016
Doublethink is the act of ordinary people simultaneously accepting two mutually contradictory beliefs as correct, often in distinct social contexts.[1] Doublethink is related to, but differs from, hypocrisy and neutrality. Somewhat related but almost the opposite is cognitive dissonance, where contradictory beliefs cause conflict in one's mind. Doublethink is notable due to a lack of cognitive dissonance — thus the person is completely unaware of any conflict or contradiction.

George Orwell created the word doublethink in his dystopian novel Nineteen Eighty-Four (1984); doublethink is part of newspeak. In the novel, its origin within the typical citizen is unclear; while it could be partly a product of Big Brother's formal brainwashing programmes,[2] the novel explicitly shows people learning Doublethink and newspeak due to peer pressure and a desire to "fit in", or gain status within the Party — to be seen as a loyal Party Member. In the novel, for someone to even recognize – let alone mention – any contradiction within the context of the Party line was akin to blasphemy, and could subject that someone to possible disciplinary action and to the instant social disapproval of fellow Party Members.


For example, Hillary's campaign has claimed two contradictory beliefs as correct:

Funding campaigns with corporate money is great!

and

Hillary is a proud progressive!

Note that a key component of doublethink is that it is "notable due to a lack of cognitive dissonance — thus the person is completely unaware of any conflict or contradiction." Thus, the ability to sleep at night knowing that they support the campaign of a politician who stands diametrically opposed to many of the core beliefs they claim to have.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
85. I say the same thing to everyone: Do not base your vote on the supporters of any candidate.
Thu Mar 17, 2016, 12:29 PM
Mar 2016

Or the detractors of any candidate.

Base your vote on the candidate, period.

 

synergie

(1,901 posts)
87. So you're making unfounded accusations about them? We're a bit disgusted too, we see the
Thu Mar 17, 2016, 12:39 PM
Mar 2016

vile posts and the misogyny that's been allowed to fester here, the bullying, the stalking, the dishonesty. Don't forget that in the GE, the few BS supporters who are threatening to take their ball and go home were never going to vote Dem anyway, which leave the rest of the Bernie supporters, and BERNIE HIMSELF, along with quite a lot of anti-Trump votes from all sides of the aisle will also be in play.

We have no need to intimidate or bully anyone, no threats, and if anyone wishes to pout and punish us all by voting Trump or not voting or writing in or whatever, you're perfectly welcome to, real Dems, real progressives, real liberals are not subscribing to this nonsense and they like us, are voting blue in the GE, and were always going to. In fact those of us who voted for her in the primaries when were planning to sit out, did so due to the abuse, the hate and the bullying tactics of the more, shall we say "passionate" of the Bernie supporters, the ones the media has been describing as the bros who swarm in groups.

That shout of "get out alreaedy" is one that has been often shouted by the BS supporters demanding that HRC drop out so that Bernie need not be bothered with earning votes and delegates, and it started early.

Your attempts to threaten us, intimidate us, and beat us into submission is kind of pointless, and if you take your ball and go home, do so, just stop haranguing us about it and breathlessly pasting whatever the Daily Caller and Rove has fed you about how there is an indictment coming and how harassing pledged delegates and superdelegates is totally not a violation of the will of the voters, who are overwhelmingly voting for her, and who will be perfectly happy to vote for her, and even those who will vote against Trump.

Your ball is not necessary and we have no interest in pleading with you, or even asking you to vote rationally in the GE.

 

fun n serious

(4,451 posts)
92. I don't know who has been saying that
Thu Mar 17, 2016, 01:06 PM
Mar 2016

I figured out a LONG time ago DU Berners would not vote for Hillary and Never wasted my time to convince them. I moved on to fire up our own base. I've heard Bernie can win a General not Hillary etc etc.. If true he would have Hillary voters on his side. He doesn't. VOTE who you want to. END of discussion

 

IdaBriggs

(10,559 posts)
93. Trash & Ignore are my favorite features - I don't see most of the nasty anymore.
Thu Mar 17, 2016, 01:07 PM
Mar 2016

It makes DU a better experience.

Starry Messenger

(32,341 posts)
95. Um, *lynching* is voter suppression.
Thu Mar 17, 2016, 01:12 PM
Mar 2016

Doing back of the napkin math isn't. Hey, I don't get to vote until June, and it will be all over but the shouting. I will still vote though. Isn't that amazing?

LuvLoogie

(6,749 posts)
109. DUs very own Bastille Day. Lot's of returning Hillary folk. I wonder where they have been?
Thu Mar 17, 2016, 04:07 PM
Mar 2016

Thanks Skinner!

 
112. Thank you!
Thu Mar 17, 2016, 06:13 PM
Mar 2016

I couldn't possibly agree more. By the way, I'm a refugee from dailykos. They're erasing all anti-Hillary messages there! Disgusting.

Rockyj

(538 posts)
115. Hillary is not a Democrat...
Thu Mar 17, 2016, 09:01 PM
Mar 2016

The Democrat Party is Republican, many sol their souls.
I will not VOTE for her because she does not represent the Democrat Party.

 

Vote2016

(1,198 posts)
117. I've never not voted for any presidential candidate but Democratic. I'll be on the fence if Sanders
Thu Mar 17, 2016, 10:10 PM
Mar 2016

is not the nominee. I'm not a Bernie-or-buster, but I don't have trust or ideological sympathy for Hillary. I hope Sanders pulls it off. I'll vote Democratic down ballot either way (of course) and I haven't made up my mind but I'm leaning toward Jill Stein if Hillary is nominated.

smiley

(1,432 posts)
120. She won't need all the help she can get...
Thu Mar 17, 2016, 10:33 PM
Mar 2016

because she's not going to win the nomination.

Time to donate to Bernie again!

Bread and Circus

(9,454 posts)
124. It took you this long? The DU supporters on this board have been trying to intimidate since 2008
Thu Mar 17, 2016, 10:48 PM
Mar 2016

Back in the day we fought for Obama...now we are fighting for Sanders. They tried the same "she has already won" stuff before the first vote was cast in 2008.

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