Evanston, Illinois and Cambridge, Massachusetts must have a LOT of low-information voters

[Chitown Kev]

Evanston, Illinois-
Hillary Clinton 13,147 votes
Bernie Sanders 10,977 votes

http://results316.cookcountyclerk.com/Summary.aspx?eid=31516

Cambridge, Massachusetts-

Hillary Clinton- 15,758 votes
Bernie Sanders- 13,689 votes

http://www.cambridgema.gov/~/link.aspx?_id=FA7A89C229404A30AB5416ECAC6EE187&_z=z

Maybe some of you can get these poor people the internet connections that they need to be adequately informed on things.

[jfern]

1. More like rich people who aren't very progressive on economic issues

[Agschmid]

2. Cambridge is very progressive on economic issues...

Do a little research first please.

[jfern]

9. I have no doubt there are a lot of progressive on economic issues there

But appearently there are enough rich people who got theirs and like the more conservative Democratic status quo.

[Chitown Kev]

3. LOL

I don't think so.

[litlbilly]

16. I happened to be from Evanston, I was born there, and I am fucking voting for Bernie.

[Chitown Kev]

19. I know people that did vote for Bernie

In fact, my Ward voted for Bernie...

I must say that this was a bit of a surprise, though.

[Bonobo]

4. Are you seriously shit-stirring because she won those places by 2,000 votes? nt

[Chitown Kev]

6. 54%-44% in Evanston

That's not very close.

[Bonobo]

7. It's pretty close, but why the shit-stirring?

I lived in Skokie for many years and know Evanston very well. It is a diverse area with rich, poor, black and white and other. It was a close vote and I am not particularly surprised.

But I am a little surprised that you started a thread just to stir shit up. I kind of had the impression you were a little bit better than that.

[Chitown Kev]

8. I was a little surprised, actually...about both cities

I know Skokie very well, too...The shocker...

Hillary won Oak Park, too.

[Bonobo]

10. What do you mean "The Shocker"? nt

[Chitown Kev]

13. Evanston and Oak Park are two of the most liberal cities in the country

or so they say...

[Bonobo]

15. I don't think that's true.

You want liberal, look at something like Amherst or Northampton, MA. Sanders slew Hillary there.

[jfern]

21. Or Champaign, IL

[Chitown Kev]

22. So do we measure it by who voted for Sanders

http://www.livability.com/top-10/political-cities/best-cities-liberals/2014/il/evanston

Then they would make Lawrence, Kansas or Norman, Oklahoma more liberal.

I will allow you that Ann Arbor, Michigan might be.

[Bonobo]

24. No, that's not it.

http://dailycaller.com/2010/04/09/americas-top-20-most-liberal-friendly-counties/

[Chitown Kev]

26. Well, I wouldn't say that Cook County is friendly

But Rogers Park (RP went YUUUUUUUUUUUUUGE for Bernie) and Hyde Park are very liberal...I was a long-time Rogers Park resident...

[Warren DeMontague]

39. Our paths probably crossed at some point.

[Chitown Kev]

42. The wonderful thing about Rogers Park

When you walk out the door, you never know who you might meet...he (or she) might be homeless...or might be a millionaire...in the 1990's, it was reportedly the most diverse neighborhood in the country (which I am sure that you know)

[Warren DeMontague]

44. Yeah, I was there in the early 90s.

It was a bit sketchy at the time, too. I think someone I knew got mugged by being hit over the head with a brick near the El station IIRC.

[artislife]

33. Wait til Seattle votes...nt

[Warren DeMontague]

36. Having lived in both Rogers Park, a stone's throw from Evanston

and Portland Oregon, I can tell you decisively that Evanston is NOT one of the "most liberal cities in the country".

It's liberal by Illinois standards, sure.

[Chitown Kev]

40. Well, we're talking the People's Republic of Rogers Park, of course

The Heartland Cafe and all of that stuff

Which did go big for Bernie, by the way...and also happens to be the home of my alma mater.

Portland is liberal but go 3o miles or so east...

[Warren DeMontague]

43. Oregon is solidly blue. I mean, if we want to compare states that have blue urban dense areas

contrasted with rural red right-wing ones, well, again, ah.... Illinois.

I mean, someone had to feed Henry Hyde until he was gravitationally substantial enough to roll across the capitol floor blammering about falling flags and whatnot.


Or shit, most of the rest of the country, for that matter.

At least ours don't have any actual power in the statehouse, hallelujah.

When it comes to OR, it doesn't matter, you take Multnomah County, suburban proto-tech enclaves like Washington County, Eugene and the 1-5 Corridor, and the red parts of the state simply don't stand a chance. That's why we've got the first openly Bisexual Governor in US History. Legal Pot. Vegan Strip Clubs.

You guys will catch up, eventually, but there are reasons I moved west as fast as I possibly could, above and beyond the fact that I'll be perfectly happy never to hear the words "minus twenty wind chill" ever again.

ETA: Spent a lot of time at the Heartland Cafe, too.

[Chitown Kev]

45. The first black United States Senator since Reconstruction

(in fact, Illinois has had 3...yeah, even Roland Burris counts, I suppose)...and the first black president, of course...where else in America could the first black president have come from?



Not much bluer than the Illinois map gets, actually (that's a 2012 Oregon map...couldn't find a good one for 2012 Illinois.

I've been to Portland and I like Portland...but no, you don't get the Hawk there, that's for sure.

I remember going out to Oregon in late December of 2001 thinking that I was going to get away from the Chicago cold...flipped it on WGN and they were having record highs in Chicago...came back 9 or 10 days later and as soon as I arrived...so much for that record warmth, lol.

And this is the Midwest...a very different flavor that can be quite progressive, as you well know.

[Warren DeMontague]

48. Oregon beat the trend nationwide in 2014, BTW. We got clobbered nationally but had a Dem sweep here.

http://gov.oregonlive.com/election/

(Kitz was already a damaged candidate for Governor, and he still won. I'm far happier with Kate Brown)

There are reasons for that, some specific to our flavor of progressiveness which I think leaders like DWS could learn from. But a different topic.

Blue/Red Maps are misleading, of course. As anyone who has winnebago'd across this great land knows, there is a lot of empty space in this country, and most of it votes Republican. The blue areas, for the most part, are where the people are.


The Maps for California and New York are not much different.

I hear you about Chicago and Obama, of course. The symbolism of him speaking in Grant Park on election night; I felt he was exorcising the ghosts of '68 there and so much more. It was an electric moment, I still get chills thinking about it.

[Chitown Kev]

54. Illinois beat the trend in 2010

Maintained a Dem Governor, expanded to a supermajority in the General Assembly (which we still have, thank goodness).

But yeah, there IS a lot of open space and flat land in Illinois.

[MohRokTah]

5. Northwestern University students must be SO ill informed.

[Still In Wisconsin]

17. I went to NU after finishing grad school. Students there are VERY well informed.

They are also quite conservative relative to the prevailing stereotype for college students. Not Trump or Cruz conservative, more in the traditional/ old line sense.

[Warren DeMontague]

38. They don't exactly cultivate stupid ones at U of C, either.

http://mag.uchicago.edu/law-policy-society/political-education

[surrealAmerican]

50. That's a weird thing to say just a few days after ...

... two of them were caught painting slurs, swastikas, and "Trump" on a church.

Northwestern students tend to be significantly more republican than other Evanston residents.

[Chitown Kev]

57. "tend" is true but a lot of them are good kids too

The faculty and staff at NW is very liberal as is much of the town...which is a mix of everything...but not quite the funky concoction of things that Cambridge is (I prefer Cambridge to Evanston but I prefer Chicago to Boston)...and Cambridge is prettier in the winter time...I'd much rather do my book browsing at the Coop than at the local Barnes & Noble.

On the whole, Evanston has more people of color than Cambridge (and they have been here a looooong time).

[surrealAmerican]

65. I know.

I live in Evanston. The students are a bit of an odd mix, really.

[Chitown Kev]

68. Neighbor!

I mean, Evanston ain't that big...

[Downwinder]

11. Evanston, Illinois-

Headquarters of the WCTU since 1910.

[Chitown Kev]

12. lol, yep...Evanston was a dry town until the 1960's or maybe even the 70's

I can assure you that it's not a dry town now.

[Downwinder]

14. Wasn't that far to Howard Street.

[Chitown Kev]

18. You can get anything you want on Howard Street, lol

They've cleaned it up a bit, yeah, but if you are looking for...whatever, it can still be found.

[Downwinder]

20. Went to Nichols.

Knew Howard Street well in the '50s

[Kittycat]

23. Cook County.

As you leave the city, support desolves until you get over near Decatur, Rockford and the west side boarder with limited numbers.

Personally, I was surprised to see some of our red counties pulling more votes for Bernie than Trump.

[Chitown Kev]

25. Depends which way you go

Cicero voted for Bernie 55-44...of course, Cicero is mostly Latino now as opposed to being the home of Betty Loren-Maltese

[Kittycat]

27. Agreed

North, lake county went Hillary. As did Rockford. I think Rockford polls more to her this season. Our Hispanic population in the burbs definitely broke for Bernie here though.

Further west: Aurora, Montgomery, Joliet, just to name a few, have strong politically active populations in that regard. I'd add Elgin, but population growth and change could be flipping their demo). We also have several collar counties out in the western and southern counties that Bernie carried. Mid-Lower income near farms, plants with lost jobs and wages.

But it's the suburban counties that are interesting. I'm looking forward to taking some time to breaking down W/SW Dupage, especially. It all went for him, but village by village. Like Hinsdale or Wheaton, that would surprise me. Especially Wheaton. I used to live there.

[Downwinder]

28. How did Freeport break?

[Kittycat]

29. No idea

I haven't started looking in to the details on far north yet. Mostly collecting updates from friends in neighboring towns, and starting to breakdown at our county data (overall top votes were 1: BS, 2: DT, 3: HC).

I've also been eyeing reports on some areas that had big voter issues today. A lot of republican clerks need to go! Springfield was a mess. McHenry wasn't done and still hadn't updated from last night, Kane, Kendall, Quincy, Adams. All problems. Story from Kendall was that even after the court ordered the polls to stay open, they closed shop at several locations.

[Chitown Kev]

30. I didn't see anything but the combined numbers up from DuPage

no breakdown by city.

[DemocraticWing]

31. Apparently Chuy Garcia swung a lot of Latinos to Bernie.

[Chitown Kev]

32. And Luis Gutierrez may have, too

Remember, Gutierrez also came out against Anita Alvarez and Gutierrez has a very good GOTV operation as well.

It wasn't all about Hillary and Bernie in Chicago.

Chicagoians (and Cook County as a whole) did not see this the way it was seen and bandied about nationally.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

34. I had thought you weren't supporting Hillary.

[Chitown Kev]

35. Didn't vote for her.

That doesn't mean that I don't take offense to some of the shit that Bernie supporters have been saying about black voters.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

37. ok

[magical thyme]

46. Cambridge, Mass has a lot of 1%ers. nt

[Jitter65]

47. They probably know more than most of here.

And they voted accordingly.

[whistler162]

49. 'cause they didn't vote the way you wanted

are you going to hold your breath and pound your fists on the floor until they change their votes?

[bravenak]

51. Confederacy

[Chitown Kev]

52. Yep. Must be all that Southern heat.

It frys the brain.

[bravenak]

53. Causes Stockholm Syndrome too

[Bonobo]

55. Y'all gonna keep that shit up for much longer? nt

[bravenak]

56. Only until folks actually act right

[Bonobo]

59. You mean like every single fucking person?

Why does that remind me of Hillary saying she will release her speech transcripts when everyone else does?

Anyway, B, why don't you switch it up yourself and stop breaking all of our balls?

[bravenak]

61. Just the majority

If the majority is cool, we can weed out the jerks.

Hey, I have only been back one day!! I barely said anything. Maybe you should do this for me so I don't feel like I have to? I'd appreciate that, boo.

[Bonobo]

62. Hell, it's only been a week or so for me too.

And I'm barely holding my shit together at the moment, so no can do. Sorry.

[Chitown Kev]

64. Damn, you too?

[Bonobo]

67. Yep and they were ALL 4-3 votes.

It's not just Hillary supporters being targeted you know.

[bravenak]

70. Okay.

I have been trying to be cool. I aint wrote not one op. I should get some credit.

[Chitown Kev]

63. Skinner gave you your get out of jail free card

and you just don't know how to act, lol

[bravenak]

69. I should learn to appreciate shit

Educate my ignorant self.

[Chitown Kev]

58. Well...there's a bright side

Orange County in North Carolina (where Chapel Hill is) did vote for Bernie, as did Ann Arbor, Michigan.

Durham County (Duke University) tilted to Hillary...slightly.

[Bonobo]

60. Yea I'm absolutely fucking blinded by that brightness, man. nt

[Tarc]

66. Why are Sanders supporters consistently befuddled as to why others disagree

with them?

This seems to be the latest game afoot, to characterize being a "Hillary supporter/voter" as some sort of slur.

[geek tragedy]

71. "a social signaling opportunity for people who want to be seen as radical. "

http://www.salon.com/2016/02/22/dolores_huerta_takes_on_bernies_base_nevada_caucus_flap_speaks_volumes_about_the_frustrations_of_sanders_supporters/