2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumI'm gonna say this: Bernie is many things his supporters say he is. He cares a lot about economic
and social justice. He is truly an honorable person and he doesn't seem to care much for wealth or power.
You can quibble (as I have) whether or not his worldview is a little one-dimensional or whether his proposals or numbers are realistic. But you cannot quibble that he genuinely cares for the less fortunate in our society and wants to help them improve their lives.
I think Hillary needed a good wake-up call that a lot of people are not doing fine in this economy. Some say that Hillary is at her best when her back is against the wall and she should be glad that Bernie provided that foil.
If he had spent a lot more time over the years building bridges and allies, he would be in a much stronger position today. Clinton has spent literally decades helping elect Democrats up and down the ticket and unfortunately politics is all about collecting favors and cashing them in. Is that fair? Perhaps not but life isn't really.
I truly and really wish that Bernie moves on to a bigger role in the next stage of his public career. He brings many useful ideas many of them won't work but are still worth trying out. It would really come full circle if he were appointed Health Care Czar in the Clinton administration.
Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)who want to stop the clock now that Clinton is temporarily ahead.
I also remember your incessant bad-mouthing of millennials.
FEEL THE BERN!
# StillSanders
hill2016
(1,772 posts)That Bernie is (mostly) everything what his supporters say he is AND millennials are (mostly) everything I said they are (whatever I did).
Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)ALBliberal
(2,334 posts)jfern
(5,204 posts)hill2016
(1,772 posts)I'm sure Bernie will be able to do it today
jfern
(5,204 posts)Coincidence
(98 posts)gcomeau
(5,764 posts)She didn't just go negative against Bernie. She went negative against *Progressivism Itself*
Those bridges are fucking nuked.
Xipe Totec
(43,888 posts)And as Bernie supporters we have the right, nay, the duty to follow the process to it's ultimate conclusion.
Do not surrender even when defeated,
and do not be a slave even in bondage,
trembling with fear advance bravely,
and attack with fury, though badly wounded.
Be as stubborn as a rusting nail,
that refuses to yield though old and ruined,
and do not envy the peacock's plumage,
that drops in fear at the first challenge.
Be as a god that never cries,
or as a devil that never prays,
or as the oak whose mighty canopy,
needs of water but does not beg it.
Even when it rolls to the dust,
let your head scowl and bite,
and scream for vengeance.
- Pedro Palacios Almafuerte
Argentinian poet 1854-1917
Still In Wisconsin
(4,450 posts)He put everything he had into it, as did his supporters. I was one of them. Many hours of working call lists and texting. More money that I could afford.
But it is really and truly over.
Response to Still In Wisconsin (Reply #5)
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shadowandblossom
(718 posts)Sorry.
CaliforniaPeggy
(149,523 posts)SoLeftIAmRight
(4,883 posts)His stated number one priority - some people want a sustainable future
Impedimentus
(898 posts)Sit around and quibble about removing puddles from your little sand castles at the beach and ignore the tsunami that is on its way to destroy all of us.
Bernie is the only candidate that understands the climate catastrophe we are facing.
Foolish people, you don't seem to give a damn about your children and about future generations. How can you call yourselves humans, how can you say you are good parents?
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)He doesn't seem to have an interest or knack to actually run a department and he didn't do so well on the VA committee.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)Oh well. There's still room for you if you haven't voted already. better late than never towards progress.
gcomeau
(5,764 posts)I think Hillary needed a good wake-up call that a lot of people are not doing fine in this economy.
And when she was delivered that wakeup call she decided to take a hammer to the offending phone. Go into direct opposition to Single Payer and trash it as a policy. Mock progressive social safety net programs using the GOP frame of it being just "free stuff".
She is not an ally. She is an opponent. She chose that. She gets no support from me. Period.
Autumn
(44,980 posts)Hoyt
(54,770 posts)I just don't think he could move us in that direction because of Congress, voters desires, etc. I think Clinton has a better chance of moving us in that direction.
gcomeau
(5,764 posts)How the fuck can you not know that after watching her all primary???? So how do you think she's going to move us in that direction when she has gone out of her way to make it abundantly clear she has no interest whatsoever in doing so?
She TRASHED single payer. She MOCKED progressive social safety net programs as "free stuff".
She. Has. No. Interest. In. Reform.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)that is more than Sanders can accomplish. None of his fantasy proposals has a chance of passing, and that assumes he could get elected. How the heck you can't see the political realities is beyond me.
gcomeau
(5,764 posts)And that's the UPSIDE? Don't worry, she's only pretending to be anti reform but she's totally untrustworthy so maybe that's not true?
Interesting argument I'll give you that. Sure as hell not going to get me supporting her but it's at least novel.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)Healthcare? NEVER EVER EVER!
Education? BUT TRUMP'S KIDS MIGHT GO TO PUBLIC SCHOOL!
Welfare? NO MORE DEADBEATS!
If you're basing your vote on the "if" of her pulling a 180 on these issues, well, you go ahead. Sandfers has a better chance of winning this, than you have of seeing those 'ifs' realized from Hillary Clinton.
shadowandblossom
(718 posts)It almost made me laugh, but it's sad.
mucifer
(23,479 posts)It was very scary to me when they had the editor of "The Atlantic" on and they were discussing how pro war and acceptable to the neocons Hillary's foreign policy is. They were discussing how she is much more into sending troops to other lands than President Obama. Worldview is a liberal radio show from WBEZ NPR Chicago. I'm not sure if it's on nationally. They focus a lot on minutia of foreign policy and international poverty and often trying to find solutions.
https://www.wbez.org/shows/worldview/democratic-foreign-policy-in-the-2016-presidential-race/2f25961d-d547-404b-9d4c-6b6c74a0817d
I really don't want to vote for her. You really might want to listen to this. It's 17 minutes long.
Impedimentus
(898 posts)We don't want your patronizing BS. It's as phoney as the candidate you support.
Sanders - 2016 !
BeyondGeography
(39,347 posts)It was totally positive about his vision for America. I also saw thousands of young people lining up to see him at the convention center downtown yesterday. He has brought a lot to the table and all Democrats should be grateful he stuck his neck out and challenged Hillary.
Happy to rec this as I agree that we'd all be better off with Bernie in the tent, as would Bernie. There are a lot of promising younger Democrats who are on board with his values; like Zephyr Teachout in my state of NY. This is the beginning of something big in our party, not the end.
highprincipleswork
(3,111 posts)I am sick and tired of the Progressive-punching that goes on in the Democratic Party. It is sickening really, and there has not been any great way around it.
Bernie's candidacy declares unabashed support for a number of things that Progressives hold dear, with a record that indicates he will hold firm on those policies. Hillary's history does not indicate she will remain solid on Progressive principles, or give them much more than lip service when it seems convenient.
Listen, if Hillary and Company would like to earn the support and admiration and even perhaps the fervor of Bernie supporters in a real way, all she would have to do is stay on the Progressive path that she has borrowed. I can see it as possible for her. I wonder why it wouldn't even be more successful and more satisfying. According to polls, the Progressive platform Bernie puts out is appealing to the vast majority of American people. She can/could drop the "revolution" framing and the Democratic Socialist label, and still hold onto the bulk of the very Progressive policies.
Trouble is, most of us don't think there is a chance for that. Because she is too beholden to and possibly philosophically aligned with the 1%. That, frankly, is what mystifies us. How can a Progressive website and the general Democratic populace put up with such alignments in face of the obvious reality that it is hurting us economically?
But, what the hey. She could become a truly great Progressive President, like FDR, if she simply did not swing back towards the Right. I mean, really, how many Republicans is she going to earn that way anyway, compared to the Independents and Bernie supporters who could get behind a true Progressive candidate?
Kip Humphrey
(4,753 posts)Bern2WinUSA
(44 posts)Are you one of those people who leaves the Movie Theatre halfway through the movie?????
This IS NOT OVER BY A COUNTRY MILE!!!!!