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[upaloopa]

1. She is beating your guy

[silvershadow]

3. as a person planning on winning

with Republican crossover votes still considered a Democrat? That's a question I really honestly would like to know. She is third way. Bernie is more Democrat than she is and that is honestly the way I feel.

[Betty Karlson]

7. And you are not alone in that sentiment.

[Jitter65]

17. But you are not in the majority in that sentiment. nt

[Armstead]

26. If a minority it is a VERY LARGE minority

Like the size of a majority that would be disastrous for the Democrats to piss away

[LonePirate]

53. Is hating Hillary more important than letting Trump destroy America?

That's the question every Bernie or Bust voter needs to ask themselves in November if Hillary is the nominee.

[tokenlib]

60. If you think this is all "Hillary hate" then you really don't get it...

..and it is why you should not run an establishment candidate in an insurgent year..

[LonePirate]

61. If she becomes the nominee & a large % of Bernie supporters vote 3rd party, it's hate.

Voting for any third party candidate who has NO chance to win instead of voting for the Dem nominee when a massively dangerous demagogue and fascist is running on the R ticket, then I'd call that hate for Hillary. I suppose it could be a show of support for Trump and his destructive agenda. It's one of those two as I will give them the benefit of a doubt that they are not simply stupid.

[fredamae]

28. You'll know for sure next Nov

Many, many, many Thousands of Sanders supporters are in Fact Indies/Republicans. They Will NOT support HRC according to several different sources. I tend to believe that.
Do not be so blinded by the assumption Sanders can convince Anyone to support Hillary. He has stated from the Beginning he absolutely WILL Support HRC and Will Help her should she prevail. But people are truly sick and tired of the revolving door for the Oval office as much as they are tired of Wall Street.
There is Nothing about 2016 Elections that is Normal. IF you rely upon the idea or belief that people Will Vote LOTE...dude-think again. Don't be too smug. Seriously. This ain't 2000, 2004, 2006, 2008, 2010 etc - People have literally been Forced to wake up to reality due to the disastrous consequences of congress et al. Corporate American OWNS/Runs Our government.

We actually Could see a POTUS Trump.
Imo

[delrem]

11. It's why they're promoting Trump.

Couldn't be more transparent.

[kath]

12. yep. Didn't Bill encourage Trump to run?

[delrem]

15. Yes. He did. /nt

[silvershadow]

16. yes he did, and it appears

The Republicans don't realize they are helping him triangulate.

[Mike__M]

54. It's remarkable how Bernie's momentum

took a sudden hit after the violence around Trump hit the media last week. Safe and sedate incrementalism must have started looking pretty comforting to some.

[kath]

57. Indeed, it is remarkable. Kinda makes you wonder who was behind it.

Cui bono?

[Amimnoch]

23. That's a good question.

Why Bernie will win the GE: Meet The Lifelong Republicans Who Love Bernie Sanders
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251850592

Republicans are trying to help Bernie Sanders win, and it's not because they like his message
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511043273

"Why top Republicans are working doggedly to help Bernie Sanders"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511035720

Some Republicans promoting Sanders' candidacy to embarrass Clinton
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511041938

The Republicans are PRAYING for the chance to be able to run against Bernie Sanders.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511244180

Republican Super-PACs have spent $5 million attacking Clinton (from the left) boosting Bernie
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511321433

WHY This Republican Is Voting For Bernie Sanders
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251968628

So, why would a person planning on winning with republican crossover votes still be considered a Democrat? Very good question indeed.

[delrem]

10. I agree.

But I don't give up the fight.

After all, I also know that she's bought.
I know who she is.

So I can't go along with it, nor can anyone else who knows.

[RobertEarl]

2. Bernie has come a long way

And there is still a long way to go.

Believe me, we are making history. History that will reflect well on those who made it happen, and badly on those who got in our way.

[silvershadow]

5. I sure hope so. If these forms are archived

I sure hope so. If these forms are archived for history, at least my name and my boys will have been recorded. She could possibly be historically the worst candidate ever. This election should be a clear referendum on the third way, and should have held a place in history similar to teddy Roosevelt's fight Bill frankly would have been better served had she not ran, at least from my historical perspective. jmho

[Waiting For Everyman]

4. I wish Bernie would ask for a recount in Missouri.

One, because I think he would end up being the winner. And two, there was likely some shady stuff done which might come out.

He can recount if within 1%. I didn't check the numbers down to decimal points so I assume it was still within that. Anyway, if he can, I hope he does.

[silvershadow]

6. me too. Give them no quarter. nt

[kath]

14. Last I checked, it was only 0.2%, something like 1531 votes, IIRC.

[yardwork]

42. Bernie and Hillary won equal numbers of delegates in Missouri. It's not winner take all.

MO was essentially a tie, just like Iowa. It doesn't matter which candidate "won" the state - the only thing that matters is the proportion of delegates. The number awarded are going to be essentially the same when the outcome is this close, no matter which candidate "wins." So there's no need for an expensive recount. The most difference it would make is a handful of delegates one way or the other - and the recount would have to be a big change to make even that much difference.

I think that a number of posters here on DU don't understand how the Democratic primaries work. Delegates are awarded proportionally. It is not winner take all.

[Waiting For Everyman]

49. None of these "wins" matter in any state. (for the Dems)

Yet much is made over it. "Winning" is psychological candy, not much more.

There doesn't have to be a need to recount. The law provides the recount within 1% because it's the candidate's right to do it. As stated, I think it might be a good idea to check and get some insight into whether things are being done properly in these primaries.

Camp Hillary insists on recounts that aren't necessary lots of times, in caucuses and in designating delegates, so that the process takes hours and hours longer, knowing that many people will have to leave before it's finished. It's a standard tactic of theirs which is well documented. That is even less necessary than a Missouri recount, yet it is done.

Let me assure you I know how primaries work. I was 18 during the 1968 Democratic Primary, and we got to see the whole rule book in action from A to Z. I also remember 1976 which was the reason Super Delegates were created. The first one I remember was for Eisenhower's 1956 election, I've seen quite a few come and go (this is #16 by my count).

But i agree, many on DU and in the public don't understand how it works, it would be good if the media spent more time on educating people about it rather than covering Trump 24/7.

[joshcryer]

8. Show me a credible route to winning.

I can't find a single analysis that shows me how they are going forward to win.

I think Sanders should stay in this to get as many delegates seated at the convention.

But I'm under no illusions. What was unlikely before became a far long shot on Tuesday.

[delrem]

13. The thing is, it's important that Sanders wins.

There is no goddamn "2nd place" finish, if the Dems go with Clinton vs Trump.
You are fucked either way.

[Land of Enchantment]

32. Here you go--posted yesterday by Kristopher...

There is NO WAY she can get 54%--


I can't put up the link---
Title below:


'Removing the super delegates for clarity

Required to win nomination:
2383
Delegates available in upcoming contests:
2308

Sanders Pledged Delegates + (required to win):
825 + (1558) = 2383

Needs 67.5% of remaining to clinch nomination


Clinton Pledged Delegates + (required to win):
1139 + (1244) = 2383

Needs 54% of remaining to clinch nomination

IMO that looks like a high probability of a brokered convention. That is when the super delegates become relevant; until then their preference is irrelevant. And if/when we get there, the value of their current commitment is far less important than the lay of the political landscape at the time of the convention.'

[Surya Gayatri]

9. .../...

[leftofcool]

18. Bernie is losing, get over it.

[JaneyVee]

19. Slowest race? She wrapped this up a month after voting began.

First votes were February 1st. Effectively won nomination on March 15th.

[bigwillq]

20. Hillary is winning

Anything else sounds like sour grapes. My guy Bernie is doing a great job, but likely it won't be enough to win the nomination.

[MisterP]

27. really?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511509301

[bigwillq]

29. Huh?

[DanTex]

21. It was never really that competitive. Bernie got trounced.

All you need to know is she has 300+ delegate lead. It's over. All your excuses and conspiracy theories are meaningless.

[hrmjustin]

22. Glad to see you are not bitter.

[silvershadow]

34. Nice try. I'm not at all bitter.

I will be if she messes this up for the Democrats as it appears she's going to try

[hrmjustin]

37. No not bitter at all.

[silvershadow]

58. that's exactly right

[HereSince1628]

24. IMO, moving to solidify the progressive movement is now the job

Sanders remaining in the race props that up and demonstrates broad support for that. Now is the time some must turn to setting the foundation for building a movement that goes beyond the Sanders campaign. We've had many 'movements' since the DLC coup and all of them faded with the passing of the presidential campaign season. Going down that path again gets us no where, again.

The only way to break the lock of financiers and corporatists on the representatives of the people's party is to organize support for candidates to successfully primary representatives who have umbilicals to corporate money.

Sanders network is a damned good place start on that organization.

[silvershadow]

35. Sanders remaining in the race?

Sanders remaining in the race? I should hope so he soon will be the front runner all the way to convention

[dana_b]

56. hell yes!!

[JoePhilly]

25. And a few more pro-Bernie OPs gets pushed a little deeper down the GDP stack.

No wonder the media doesn't talk about Bernie and instead talks about Hillary ... many of Bernie's supporters spend all their time talking about Hillary too.

[yardwork]

43. I've noticed that, and my opinion is that some of those aren't really Bernie's supporters.

That's my opinion.

[JoePhilly]

48. I do not disagree with you in the least.

[seabeyond]

30. Voters. They are called voters, just as they support Sanders. Voters over 2.7 million for Clinton

last I heard. Over 2.7 million more votes for Clinton from "we the people" does not make a coronation. Telling us regardless of those voters that voted for Clinton instead of Sanders, we should give it to Sanders, is the coronation you speak of. But, having over 2.7 votes from people makes Clinton a winner.

[silvershadow]

36. speaking of those years, the game is rigged.

speaking of those years, the game is rigged.I will not even cast my vote until the likely nominee is already crowned

[seabeyond]

39. I think it is sad that Sanders voters feel the need to dismiss all these Democratic votes because

you did not get what you want. Though I am happy to see Clinton break all kinds of glass ceiling with the voters.... people, .... across the nation, voting for her.

[silvershadow]

59. when I don't even get a vote of course I will dismiss very limited

when I don't even get a boat of course I will dismiss very limited Way in which our elections are conducted. You act as if I shouldn't even have a voice as I currently do not and I'm not supposed to be upset about it?

[George II]

31. Yes, there was "monkey business" in Nevada - outsiders harassing caucusers:

[workinclasszero]

41. Nothin like a filthy rich 1%er celeb Bernie supporter getting up in the face

Of a civil rights and labor hero.

I bet that stupid stunt cost Bernie many, many, many votes.

[yardwork]

44. I believe that it really did.

My wife is Latina. She doesn't pay a lot of attention to politics, just a strong Democrat who votes when the elections come up. She noticed this.

She still brings it up. "English only!" She thinks that Bernie said it. I keep telling her that it wasn't Bernie who said it, but the moderator. Her response: "It might as well have been Bernie."

He didn't apologize. His campaign was silent. People called Dolores Huerta a liar. I doubt my wife is the only Latina that this seriously pissed off.

[workinclasszero]

45. They abused the hell out of John Lewis too

Just sickening.

[yardwork]

46. Exactly. A Democratic campaign that attacks civil rights icons shoots itself in the foot.

Hillary said a stupid thing about AIDS and the Reagans and angered and hurt a core Democratic constituency. She immediately apologized and followed that up with a longer, more comprehensive apology - on the same day.

Sanders has been silent about the abuse his campaign surrogates have heaped on civil rights icons.

[workinclasszero]

47. Has Bernie...ever...

Slapped down one of his surrogates or apologized for their outrages?

I don't think so.

It would appear that he agrees with what they have done.

[Lizzie Poppet]

50. How about a filthy rich 1%er candidate getting up in the face...

...of a civil rights hero?

And unlike Huerta, Ashley Williams isn't a liar.

[workinclasszero]

51. Sorry I can't hear you

I block all attackers of civil rights heroes.

[Lizzie Poppet]

52. Does that mean I have to block Hillary?

What do you suppose her DU screen name is?

[obamanut2012]

33. lolz

[workinclasszero]

40. Hillary won

Get over it.

[scubasteve76]

55. yeah but.....

Something I've noticed on this board, HRC supporters have no problem alienating Bernie supporters as in "your guy lost" etc etc.... it's not a soccer match where you stand behind your favorite team. It's the future of this country..... HRC is gonna need every Bernie supporter to beat Trump.