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[BeyondGeography]

1. Can vanity posts shut up and go away, too?

[potone]

4. That is precisely the kind of post that alienates Bernie supporters.

It is not a vanity post; if you don't see that, then you didn't understand it.

[BeyondGeography]

8. The OP refers to certain annoying behaviors

One side doesn't own that market here. Sorry if you didn't understand.

[potone]

58. Oh, I understood, all right.

But only one side is urging that one candidate drop out before more than half the states have a chance to vote.

[brooklynite]

2. We won't be seeing any "Clinton can't win the General Election" threads, will we?

[JoePhilly]

3. + 1

[Agnosticsherbet]

5. HELL NO!!! We will not be silenced.

Thank you for your concern.

[djean111]

9. What we are trying to say is - we are not actually listening to you.

We are not going to do as we are being told by HRC supporters. In one eyeball, out the other type of thing.

Some people ask you to stop, because it makes things worse. Others, like me, just spend a few minutes here and there putting people on ignore. "If a Hillary supporter lectures Bernie supporters in the forest, does anybody really give a crap" sort of thing.

Bottom line - you do not accomplish anything good or useful.

[democrattotheend]

14. Exactly. If the time comes, we will do the lecturing

If Hillary actually wins the nomination, I will do what I can to convince fellow Bernie supporters to support her. I suspect many others will as well. And I would guess that we have a better chance of convincing people than the condescending, demanding, and otherwise insulting posts I have seen in this forum in the last several days.

[Agnosticsherbet]

15. I know that. The ability to listen does not change reality.

Bottom line - claiming Sanders can wind does not accomplish anything good or useful.

[djean111]

66. I mean this in the nicest possible way - how is this any skin off your nose?

It is not like Bernie's supporters are all going to start rhapsodizing about Hillary. Almost reminds me of that cartoon where a guy tells his wife he can't come to bed because someone on the internet is wrong. I think that is funny, because it always cracks me up when someone declares themselves the absolute arbiter. Nah.

[democrattotheend]

10. Nobody is trying to silence you

And if you actually read my post, you would know that. My point is that we are the ones who feel we are being silenced by being told it is over when it is not over and many of us have not had the opportunity to vote yet. My other point is that there is nothing you can say or do (besides maybe posting some positive stuff about your own candidate that other people might not know) to convince Bernie supporters to support your candidate if she is the nominee, and prematurely declaring victory and demanding that people fall in line will only have the opposite effect.

FWIW, I was on the other side of this in 2008, and I said pretty much the same thing to my fellow Obama supporters.

[Agnosticsherbet]

19. quote "SHUT UP AND GO AWAY" unquote That is silencing.

You have every right to continue to advocate for your candidate.

That does not change the reality of our system.

[msongs]

36. reminds me of the threats I get in private PMs from bernie people nt

[Agnosticsherbet]

39. Should anyone do that, I will forward them to the administrators and then post them to make them

public.

[nadinbrzezinski]

49. I use the block feature

for the HRC fans who have done that. And I have forwarded each of them to the admins. I do not fully block them though. I will never, ever use that feature again on this site.

[democrattotheend]

100. I changed the title to be less incendiary

The text of the post should have made clear that I was trying to help you win over Bernie supporters instead of alienating us in the likely event that she is the nominee.

I used the words "shut up" in the same way my boss used them when I took my first deposition. He told me that a lot of new lawyers make the mistake of getting the answer they need to win, but then blowing it by continuing with the line of questioning. My point was, if you really think you have won, shut up about Bernie and the primaries. If you really think you have won, then go away from GDP and start doing what you are saying we should all do - selling your candidate and knocking down Trump.

[PeaceNikki]

6. .

[nichomachus]

16. And this is what the OP talked about

The abject snottiness of the Clinton gang. This does rub off on your gal, you know. If you're trying to get people to join your cause, you need to re-evaluate this sort of tawdry shit,.

[PeaceNikki]

22. lol @ "tawdry"

Yes, a snarky image in response to an OP telling us to "shut up and go away" impacts the big picture as you imply.

I am SUPER fucking powerful.

SO melodramatic.

[nichomachus]

24. Tawdry

It's part of the Clinton family crest.

[PeaceNikki]

27. Oh, the drama.

[Lizzie Poppet]

47. Oh, the staggering tone-deafness.

You don't get invited to many parties, do you?

[bravenak]

81. Tone deafness belongs to the BERNIE CAMP

[Lizzie Poppet]

87. Well...we'll just have to disagree on that.

Or perhaps agree that there's no shortage on either side...

[bravenak]

90. Ok

I agree that both sides have issues.

[PeaceNikki]

85. Quite a few, in fact. I attend a LOT of bat/bar mitzvahs.

They are always so much fun. Plus, some other friends do up a fantastic Halloween bash every year. and others do great pride fest gigs.

Good times!!

[Lizzie Poppet]

88. I'm impressed.

Did it take long to learn how to make all those balloon animals?

[PeaceNikki]

94. Oooooooooo, beerrrrrrrn

Did you high five yourself for that one? You should, you deserve it!!

[bigtree]

11. here you have Sanders supporters arguing that the campaign continues

...and alternately, you're arguing for a truce.

What do you really believe is gong to happen from this point forward?

I'm putting my money on a slew more 'Hillary indicted' threads.

[KingFlorez]

12. The primary is over

The sainted, most moral, faultless, superior, self-righteous Bernie Sanders who is supposed to be better than everyone is actually plotting to steal pledged delegates from Clinton. If that doesn't indicate that the race is over, I don't know what does. No primaries have been canceled, so everyone still has an opportunity to vote, but that doesn't mean that the trajectory of the delegate count will change.

[nichomachus]

18. Oh good. Then no one need send any more money to Hillary or work for her.

Stand down everyone. Save your money. Relax. Your efforts are no longer needed.

[KingFlorez]

26. You can be as sarcastic as you like

The fact remains that Sanders has no legitimate path to the nomination left, outside of attempting to get pledged delegates to switch and that would not do him any good if he became the nominee like that.

[1StrongBlackMan]

33. Well, there IS that thing that happens in November ...

that requires more money and effort.

[democrattotheend]

23. Plotting to steal pledged delegates?

I wasn't aware of any such plans. Got a link for that.

As I understand it now, Bernie needs to win about 72% of the remaining pledged delegates to get a majority. While I acknowledge that those are steep odds, it is not impossible, especially if Hillary is indicted or this e-mail scandal otherwise becomes bigger than it is now. I am not hoping for that to happen, but I think if it did, or if some other scandal broke (as they are prone to with the Clintons), it is possible that Bernie would get 72% of the remaining pledged delegates, and many of the superdelegates would change their allegiance as well. And I suspect that a lot of Democrats, including Clinton supporters, would be grateful at that point to have another option rather than essentially ceding the election to the Republicans.

[KingFlorez]

31. According to his campaign strategist that is the plan

http://crooksandliars.com/cltv/2016/03/tad-devine-says-pledged-delegates

If an unlikely indictment is Sanders' best chance at winning, then this race is pretty much coming to a close.

[uppityperson]

37. Ah, you misspelled "persuade". He is trying to persuade those whose votes are not the

direct will of USA citizens by their votes but their own conscience to vote for him vs her.

Autocorrect can be a bear.

[KingFlorez]

54. However you spin it, it's not honest

Pledged delegates reflect the will of the voters, so trying to flip Clinton's pledged delegates is not fair to voters who went out and voted for her.

[Kalidurga]

62. LOL I get what you are saying

It's like totally fair for a Super to go against the will of the majority of the people in his or her state.

[mythology]

96. The rules say exactly that

You can argue the ethics of having super delegates (I think they are generally a bad thing), but the rules were known before the campaigns started.

[MuseRider]

13. Apparently Hillary does not think this is over.

My husband, a Bernie supporter as well, got this mail from Hillary today. It started with, "This race to win the nomination is closer than ever, and we have a real fight on our hands." It goes on to say, "There are still lots of votes to be cast to win the Democratic nomination. But I have tremendous opposition. We have an opponent who is outraising and outspending us."

It goes on but I find it odd that here it is all, the race is over, when Hillary is still asking for more money because of her "tremendous opposition". To be clear, she is NOT talking about the general.

I filled out the form, I checked the OTHER contribution box and put in $0.00 and then there was a place for comments. I just simply said, "We sent all our money to Bernie."

So, they can say what they want (funny they are concerned about us still giving money for our lost cause) when their candidate wants more money from them for reasons they tell us are not necessary.

Support your candidate, I don't care who it is. That is the way it is but please stop taunting people with this dropping and losing nonsense. When he is done he will be the nominee or not, until then we are sticking with him and running against you.

[democrattotheend]

17. Hillary herself fought hard to give every voter a say in 2008

And despite being an Obama supporter, I respected her for that. I know that not all of my fellow Obama supporters felt the same way, and I remember spending as much time fighting with them about how much harm they were doing with posts like the ones I criticized here as I did fighting with Hillary supporters.

[MuseRider]

28. I have never understood

the dynamic here of rubbing people's noses in the crap. I can understand and accept happiness and glee etc. but not when it is followed by "in your face" "go away you are not needed" and "stop, it is over".

Oh well. I understood your post as one I would tell anyone, even my side if I was seeing it. Thankfully I learned that ignore was my friend and after being here since forever I finally used it. I love what djean111 said above, "If a Hillary supporter lectures Bernie supporters in the forest, does anybody really give a crap" sort of thing.

It makes life easier when you don't have to get riled up all the time by nonsense that is only there to try to rile you up.

[BainsBane]

20. I haven't seen any concern about "uniting the party"

From Bernie supporters over these past several months. In fact the goal has appeared to be the precise opposite, evidenced by the bargage of insults directed toward Clinton supporters or anyone who questioned Bernie is anyway.

We've even had threats directed at us, that if we don't want Trump as president we better vote as we are told, or they'll ensure the Supreme Court is filled with judges that strip away our rights.

I included a line of congratulations to Sanders supporters for a hard-fought campaign in an OP and was attacked and insulted for it. So you'll have to excuse me if I'm not terribly concerned that Sanders supporters are unhappy to see Clinton supporters expressing their views on this site.

People have every right to vote for whomever they please, but their rights don't include dictating how others think and write about the election.

[1StrongBlackMan]

35. +1 ...

I haven't seen any concern about "uniting the party" ... From Bernie supporters over these past several months. In fact the goal has appeared to be the precise opposite, evidenced by the barrage of insults directed toward Clinton supporters or anyone who questioned Bernie in anyway.

But I suppose there is not much concern with uniting a/the party you are not a part of, or only recently became a part of for the purpose of voting Sanders.

[comradebillyboy]

61. Amen Brother

[felix_numinous]

21. Trump should be seen as a greater threat

than Bernie Sanders, even to a Third Way candidate.

[democrattotheend]

34. Welcome to DU

For your own protection, I should warn you that it is against the TOS here to advocate for Jill Stein or any other third party candidate. This is a private forum designed to advocate the election of Democrats.

As I said in the OP, I very much hope you do decide to support whoever wins the Democratic nomination. I can't imagine how anyone could consider not doing so when we have a vacant Supreme Court seat and a neo-Nazi on the other side.

[Seeinghope]

29. I agree

The primaries are not over. At this point in the Obama/Clinton primary Clinton was ahead and look what happened. BTW. Clinton did not secede from the primary when she was running against Obama and when lost her lead started and continued to run behind him. So all of the Hillary supporters , please just Stop thinking that Sanders should secede. Stop telling the Sanders supporters to "give it up" when half of the votes are not even in yet because we are all in it to the convention.

Don't count out the Independent votes that are going to be more important in the upcoming primary votes. Just as Hillary was most popular and her victories were a shoe in in the south and some of the Midwest states. The next group of states are not so pro-Hillary.

Remember, Michigan, Minnesota, Nebraska, Illinois, Kansas and Missouri, while Clinton may have won in some Midwest states..which was to be expected, she also lost some of them. Not only did Bernie surprisingly win some of them, he pulled in extremely close in some others....all very very unexpected. For a candidate doing what he did in Clinton country. Imagine what is yet to come.

Don't be too smug. Clinton isn't proving to be as strong as she should be right now in her Clinton friendly areas.

[CoffeeCat]

30. If Clinton supporters really want Clinton

to win the Presidency, then the intelligent strategy would be kindness toward Sanders supporters. If she has it in the bag--wouldn't her supporters seek common ground? Sanders supporters will need bridges built for Sanders supporters to walk across to Hillary, if and when they are ready.

The continued mocking, eye rolling and cracking of one liners, from Clinton supporters, arent exactly clever.
Considering that 33 percent of Sanders supporters say they won't vote for Clinton, the lack of bridge building is the opposite of smart. It's ensuring a Trump presidency.

[1StrongBlackMan]

40. Wait a minute ... Just a few short weeks/months ago ...

we were told how stupid it was to allow a candidate's supporters to sway how one will vote?

What happened.

[upaloopa]

43. Man you haven't been here long have you? You bash us and Hillary for months, alert stalk us

off the board then when it doesn't get you anywhere it is up to us to play nice!

Own your vote don't expect me to forget the 4 times I was put on vacation so soon!

[hamsterjill]

51. As as Hillary supporter, I hope you aren't serious.

So you are going to hold the actions by ANY Hillary supporter against her?

Wouldn't that be like holding the actions of the stage jumper at the Trump rally against Bernie...just like Trump is doing?

I would hope anyone intelligent enough to be posting on DU is intelligent enough to make a decision on a candidate based upon that candidate's policy and attributes rather than what any supporters of ANY candidate might say or do.

I, myself, have tried hard not to disparage either Senator Sanders or his followers, but I don't feel that I need to beg for Sanders supporters to vote for Hillary either. Those supporters should work to get their candidate elected, but if Hillary is the ultimate nominee, which I feel she will be, then those supporters should be thinking about keeping Trump out of the White House because a Trump presidency is not going to bode well for anyone with Democratic values.

[revbones]

32. To be perfectly honest

Clinton supporters make it much harder to see whatever you point they think they're making. All the non-attacking posts that were mentioned in the OP are just annoying to those they're trying to entice.

Couple those with the attacking or snide ones, and now it's just making it even harder for those that might just suck it up come Nov and vote for Hillary to consider doing so.

Maybe those tactics would work with the poster, and maybe they'll work with some others - but it aptly demonstates the caliber of Hillary's supporters and would seem to validate many people's choices against her with thoughts such as "Well, if this is the type that supports Hillary, then I definitely don't want to be a part of that."

But you guys go ahead and post all the stuff you want. You're not winning any converts, but if you feel the need then carry on.


Editted to add that it's somewhat unlikely I will pull the lever for Hillary in Nov - I believe she is corrupt and a liar and there are many reasons for that that have nothing to do with a right-wing conspiracy. Each day that I read falsehoods here and see people ignore facts and blame everything on some conspiracy theory, it makes it even less likely that I could bring myself to be a part of that. Congrats Hillary supporters!

[1StrongBlackMan]

41. See post #40. eom.

[revbones]

44. Really?

Aside from the annoying arrogance and irrelevance of responding with basically "See what I wrote somewhere else because I want to respond to you but I'm too lazy to type something relevant. ", I'm not sure what your point is.

"we were told how stupid it was to allow a candidate's supporters to sway how one will vote? " And you point to that as a rebuttal to someone saying stop trying to sway their vote?

That's akin to:

Person A: The color blue is awesome!
Person B: But the color blue is great!

Sheesh.

[1StrongBlackMan]

53. I sense anger, or is it rage?

[revbones]

57. Complete misread then. nt

[bravenak]

56. Pobrecito

[revbones]

59. Awwww isn't that cute?

bravenak is back with such intelligent posts. Really missed your thoughtful commentary... rofl

[bravenak]

60. I do not even know who you are.

[revbones]

68. Nor I you aside from the rather brilliant commentary you provide

[bravenak]

72. Oh. You are 'new'

You Better Believe It!!

[revbones]

80. Oh I certainly do

It must take extraordinary skill to post such irrelevant <7 word comments so much...

[bravenak]

82. Who are you again? Pobrecito.

n

[1StrongBlackMan]

65. LOL ... There's that anger/rage, again. LOL

[bravenak]

69. It's BLACK rage..

Only worth three fifths of regular rage

[1StrongBlackMan]

73. Coffee is now all over my keyboard. Thanks.

[bravenak]

78. You're Welcome

[1StrongBlackMan]

83. But my keyboard didn't need the caffeine. I did.

[bravenak]

86. Keep reading my posts and you gon need a whole new computer

Cause the shit I'm seeing here got me slave talkin

[1StrongBlackMan]

95. Your inner negro, huh?

[bravenak]

97. Yeah, suh!

She making black mischief!

[leftofcool]

50. You don't get it. We don't care who you vote for.

It's your vote, use it or not.

[revbones]

63. Since you're apparently speaking for the group

by using "we" then I guess you're either ignorant of all the loyalty oath and other posts attempting to sway Sanders voters, or just not interested in saying something true.

[upaloopa]

38. Stop intimidating and treatening us! Your decision to vote or not is your decision

Stop blaming the media and us and Hillary and DWS and the DNC and Bill Clinton and who the hell else other.

The voters in primaries are deciding this thing. More of them want Hillary to run for President than want Bernie it is just that simple!

[democrattotheend]

42. Again, half of us have not even voted yet

So I don't think you can draw conclusions about what "the voters" want.

If you had read my post you would see that it was not designed to intimidate or threaten anyone. It was friendly advice from someone who has been on both sides of this (I was an Obama supporter in 2008) that if you want to help your candidate, posts like the ones I mentioned are having the opposite effect. It was not intended as a threat to withhold support; I made it clear at the beginning of the post that I intend to support Hillary if she becomes the nominee and will urge other Bernie supporters to do the same.

FWIW, I gave very similar advice to my fellow Obama supporters in 2008, as I felt many of them were doing nothing but driving Clinton supporters away.

[JimDandy]

52. That poster is dumping the same kind of post in different threads.

so it's probable that they actually didn't read your post.

[mainstreetonce]

64. Amen

And Hill yes!

[JimDandy]

70. Many of those Hillarians were so rude and obnoxious their posts deserved to be hidden.

And Sanders supporters were alert stalked by Hillarians ad naseum.

Here come Sanders big wins! Go Bernie!

[MohRokTah]

77. No, they weren't

Pro Sanders posts were far more rude than ANYTHING posted by ANY Hillary supporter and they always stood due to jury abuse.

85% of this site supported Sanders and they abused that majority to shut us up.

NO MORE!

[JimDandy]

93. NO MORE from any of you Hillarians! We've had it up to here with the rudeness.

I have never gotten a hide in my 10 years here. It's easy to do. And yet you have... many times.

Got to finish canvassing for Bernie.

HERE COME ALL HIS WINS!!!

Yeah Bernie!

[rateyes]

46. Bernie supporter here! If Hillary is nominated, then

with all due respect, don't waste your breath trying to convince me to vote for Hillary. I will be too busy fighting the political revolution to support someone who isn't on board with it.

Bernie is talking about a political revolution. And this presidential primary is but the first battle in that revolution--not the last, nor even the most important. I am expecting a new party to emerge that will eventually put the DLC third way out of business. It may take a few more old Dems to die off and a few more years to get all the upcoming progressive Dems to voting age. But, time is on OUR side. There will be revolution and we will win. In wars, you win some battles and you lose some battles. But it's the winner of the final battle that is victorious.

We progressives might lose this battle, but we are going to win the war. Maybe not today. But we will win!!

If Trump is our next president, it might just hasten the revolution along. After all Congress usually changes hands to the party not in the executive two years after.

I am not voting for Hillary.

[MohRokTah]

71. PARTY UNITY MY ASS!!!!

<~~~For the humor impaired who may sit upon a jury

[marew]

84. +1! n/t

[leftofcool]

48. No, I won't shut up and don't have to.

Where was all that party unity when Hillary was being called a liar, a whore, a homophobe?

[mainstreetonce]

67. So true

Hill yes!

[dubyadiprecession]

75. Don't forget when bernie supporters say "it's not over till the fat lady sings" which...

insults people like bernie's wife.

[DanTex]

55. Let's see. Bernie supporters outnumber Hillary's here some 3-1 to 5-1.

An hour doesn't pass here without some smear against Hillarys about emails or some other right-wing conspiracy. For the last 6 months, Bernie fans have been prematurely celebrating his inevitable upcoming victory, because Hillary was going lose, first, when the debates started, then when AA voters "learned about" Bernie, and later when the states without a "master-slave mentality" started voting and so on.

And now that it's over (and yes, it is over), we see OP after OP about how Trump is going to beat Hillary. Not to mention the daily 200+ rec posts advocating sitting out the GE or voting Green and thereby helping Trump win.

And you want Hillary supporters, of all people, to "SHUT UP"? We've been the only voices of sanity here for months. I've seen maybe two posts where a Hillary supporter said they wouldn't vote for Bernie if he wins. Almost all of us, including me, like and respect Bernie, but don't think he would be a good bet against the GOP in November. And you know the feeling isn't mutual in the other direction.

On top of that, the arguments that Bernie should drop out are based on facts and reason. As I'm sure you know, even Obama has said that it will soon be time to unite behind Hillary. It's not some crazy idea that only internet trolls think, it's entirely reasonable. Sure, there are also arguments for why he should stay in, and part of what happens here on DU is the exchange of ideas.

I'm not going to post anything intentionally antagonizing, but I'm also not going to hold back from making truthful and well-reasoned posts, simply because people who have spent the last 6 months going scorched earth get their feelings hurt by the delegate math.

[JimDandy]

76. Here come a slew of Sanders' wins! Go Bernie!!! n/t

[NurseJackie]

79. According to Skinner ... the ratio is 6:1

Although, that may be changing in the near future. We'll see.

[w0nderer]

74. Let's see, amnesty the most loud and 'violent' of the people on both sides

and expect nice behaviour

Yeah...not happening

especially when now even 5's don't have to worry about getting tossed out


my new procedure is
before reading post, see how many hides they got if it's 4-5 i ignore what they say


i got one hide...i may think it was overly sensitive..it may not have been (it involved a guilliotine (no blood no head) in black and white animated gif) (not for 'sensitive' people) http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1098614

where i stated that all politicians work for the people and they can deal with a 'vote' or a 'metallic vote'

i guess that was too much, i'll live by it

[beachbumbob]

89. Well you know what free speech is.??? Sanders chances are near nil...

And I know his supporters don't like the math...but realistically the sooner we focus on trump.conservatives and the GOP the better it is we retake congress.....that is what is fricken important.....

[democrattotheend]

92. So focus on Trump! That was kind of the point of my post

If you think the primaries are over, then why are you still talking about them? Why not shift your attention to attacking Trump or retaking Congress, instead of trying to convince us that the primaries are over when half of us have not even voted yet.

[JimDandy]

99. Exactly! n/t

[JimDandy]

98. HERE COME ALL OF SANDERS WINS!!!

Got to finish canvassing this precinct for him, and..

GO BERNIE! Woo hoo!