2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumNew Yorker article about the primary has a quote from Sanders that says a lot.
When I spoke to Sanders last week, he refused to speculate about any Convention scenarios that didnt include him as the nominee. I look forward to her dropping out and giving me her strong support, he said. He was adamant that Clinton could not deliver the kind of change that voters are demanding, no matter what policy positions she adopted. The issue is creating an economy and a political system that works for all Americans and not the one per cent, he said. That does not happen through a speech. That happens by reaching out and mobilizing millions and millions of people. There is no indication that Hillary Clinton has ever done that, or ever wants to do that. You dont go and give speeches behind closed doors to Wall Street and be the same person that is going to rally the American people. That just does not exist.
http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2016/03/21/bernie-hillary-and-the-new-democratic-party
merrily
(45,251 posts)I donated again yesterday on the assumption he was staying in.
TrueDemVA
(250 posts)He is my hero. I hope everyone can see where this country needs to go. He is the democrat the party has needed.
global1
(26,507 posts)Go Bernie!!!!
Feel the Bern!!!!
Become the Bern!!!!!
DanTex
(20,709 posts)Does he believe any of that? He's getting demolished in the primary votes -- Dems don't want him to be the nominee. Can he not count?
My respect for him is dropping.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)I offer criticisms of things Hillary has said or done, like her building an alter to Ron and Nancy claiming they were heroes of the AIDS crisis when they are the uncontested arch villains of that time.
You call Bernie names.
I think I make a stronger case.
frylock
(34,825 posts)Encore!
NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)Why do you believe we're under any obligation to reach out to them?
When your candidate is losing by margins of millions of voters, you don't really have the leverage you think you do.
frylock
(34,825 posts)just as they're under no obligation to vote for Hillary.
NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)frylock
(34,825 posts)I have my doubts that will happen.
reformist2
(9,841 posts)DanTex
(20,709 posts)Kittycat
(10,493 posts)Like Little Debbie has lost our party 100's of seats. Keep that in mind when you focus on Hillary, and what it takes to earn that seat.
DanTex
(20,709 posts)Kittycat
(10,493 posts)Trying to ensure we keep focused on the message that's captured a new generation, and re-engaged those that that the party ignored when they ran towards to the republicans.
Eta. Not to mention the many caught in the middle of the damage of bad policy.
Gwhittey
(1,377 posts)I wonder why. Could it be because DWS did not want to do drives because first time voters where more likely to vote for a unknown with a clear curt policy that a shoe in candidate who only policies are rat-fucking
thesquanderer
(12,995 posts)Segami
(14,923 posts)That would be much more reality-based than lobbing dumb insults.
Seeinghope
(786 posts)That does not happen through a speech. That happens by reaching out and mobilizing millions and millions of people. There is no indication that Hillary Clinton has ever done that, or ever wants to do that. You dont go and give speeches behind closed doors to Wall Street and be the same person that is going to rally the American people. That just does not exist[/.
I believe and agree with that too. What is hard to believe? We see what Washington has done without the people being involved. Now is the time for the people to become involved.
He is right about Hillary Clinton too. She is all about doing things the traditional way and only including people in what she wants them to know. Why not tell us about what really happened in Honduras? Why not be more forthcoming about the e-mails? Why not release transcripts of speeches to Goldman Sachs.....
So much more remains behind closed doors
840high
(17,196 posts)redstateblues
(10,565 posts)To be Commander in Chief
kerry-is-my-prez
(10,264 posts)He either believes his own press, is listening way to much to some hard core supporters, or has had a blow to the head. Find this a little scary.......
MaggieD
(7,393 posts)He really is. Wow.
oldandhappy
(6,719 posts)Behind due to DWS careful structuring the primaries. Stay tuned. The DNC dismissed him from the get go. DWS treated him unfairly from the get go. clinton dismissed him. Many clintonites dismissed him. Many have listened. More have listened than the DNC or clinton or DWS expected. He may not win. He is very worthy of respect. There are 21 states yet to vote.
Logical
(22,457 posts)kgnu_fan
(3,021 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Seeinghope
(786 posts)Hillary Clinton is a product of her husband. She would not have the support that she has if not for Bill Clinton. He has paved the way for her. She has even admitted it herself I am not a natural politician, my husband is. He has made the connections, called in favours, guided her and paved the way for her. It didnt work when she ran against Obama so they took a little bit of a different approach and now Bill is more visible in this campaign. In fact he goes to the polls and makes speeches in his wifes behalf which is very unpresidential and questionable as far as laws and ethics. Does he disturb the voting process for the voters for Bernie Sanders? Some would say yes. The extra traffic surrounding Clintons entourage, moving Bernie Sanders voters out of the way for photo ops with Hillary Clinton voters and Bill blocking the entrance to the building. Even though he might stand within the legal limit, it is still a questionable tactic, certainly below a former President of the United States.
It is time to end dynasties. GW was in the same boat as Hillary Clinton. Neither had a great record to run on
Hillary Clinton foreign policy experience has some brewing scandals, the e-mails, Honduras, Libya, her good friend Kissinger, her definite neo con leanings and her vote for Iraq.
Her domestic policy is so connected to Bill Clinton. The line is so blurred. When will the President Hillary Clinton be making decisions and when will Bill Clinton be making decisions? Is Bill Clinton just to stand idly by while Hillary Clinton is the top dog in the marriage now? It is confusing. There will be so much speculation just about that alone.
The Republicans will be more relentless in their attacks because now they have 2 targets and a lot of skeletons. We will be bogged down by all of the attacks of their character, business dealings, policy results
..I really dont want to rehash old times and new allegations (some with merit). It may not be right but the Clintons, the scandals and policy failures are ripe for the picking.
Then there is still the question, what exactly will Bill be doing? I think that is a huge question that needs to be answered now since this is important to know. This is uncharted territory and something to be considered. This isnt 1992. We have more information and not all of it is so favourable on those years and policy's from the Clintons.
Hillary Clinton is a product of Bill Clinton and not in the position that she is in on her own merit. She doesnt get paid the big bucks by Goldman Sachs because of just her own achievements, she gets them because of her status as 1st Lady and Bill Clinton and possible President of the United States.
Yes, Hillary Clinton is intelligent, admirable, successful in her own right but she is not an Elizabeth Warren.
Bernie Sanders has had a proven track record for decades. He has been consistent on what he has fought for. He isnt a rich man because that is not his motivation. The Clintons though have come a long way from their start in politics. They have amassed pretty great wealth and are still in the process of doing it. Their motives are not so pure.
Michelle Obama captured it when she said Dont worry, im not going to run for President of the United States. Thank you Mrs. Obama!
dana_b
(11,546 posts)that's what I want to hear.
MADem
(135,425 posts)He was still riding on that Lucky Michigan Bump when he made that comment.
I think he's looking for ways to hang on for a bit longer, but I think he sees the handwriting on the wall.
Now's the time for him to press, strongly, for donations to his campaign while his supporters are still sorting out their feelings between fight or flight, so he can retire his campaign debt in short order.
Blus4u
(608 posts)Eom
MADem
(135,425 posts)grasswire
(50,130 posts)...thank you very much.
me b zola
(19,053 posts)jwirr
(39,215 posts)Bernie - it is about the people and about the issues that effect the people.
We need to go into that Convention with as much power as we can get.
GOTV for Bernie.
upaloopa
(11,417 posts)Bernie is toast.
bkkyosemite
(5,792 posts)redstateblues
(10,565 posts)Power in numbers? Hilary's numbers are winning numbers
upaloopa
(11,417 posts)bkkyosemite
(5,792 posts)upaloopa
(11,417 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(101,840 posts)He is going to win Idaho though...
BeyondGeography
(41,072 posts)Now he doesn't know what hit him.
upaloopa
(11,417 posts)done that."
Hell Bernie can't even get his millennials to vote!
MaggieD
(7,393 posts)He is starting to sound like a grandiose narcissist.
bkkyosemite
(5,792 posts)MaggieD
(7,393 posts)He's going to leave looking like a pathetic old man.
revbones
(3,660 posts)A corrupt law-breaking old woman who won despite lies and law-breaking.
scscholar
(2,902 posts)but still lost!
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Uncle Joe
(65,057 posts)her home state of Illinois.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Uncle Joe
(65,057 posts)Uncle Joe
(65,057 posts)Thanks for the thread, rgbecker.
amborin
(16,631 posts)Jenny_92808
(1,342 posts)cleopotrick
(79 posts)CalvinballPro
(1,019 posts)rgbecker
(4,890 posts)You dont go and give speeches behind closed doors to Wall Street and be the same person that is going to rally the American people.