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rgbecker

(4,890 posts)
Thu Mar 17, 2016, 09:40 PM Mar 2016

New Yorker article about the primary has a quote from Sanders that says a lot.

When I spoke to Sanders last week, he refused to speculate about any Convention scenarios that didn’t include him as the nominee. “I look forward to her dropping out and giving me her strong support,” he said. He was adamant that Clinton could not deliver the kind of change that voters are demanding, no matter what policy positions she adopted. “The issue is creating an economy and a political system that works for all Americans and not the one per cent,” he said. “That does not happen through a speech. That happens by reaching out and mobilizing millions and millions of people. There is no indication that Hillary Clinton has ever done that, or ever wants to do that. You don’t go and give speeches behind closed doors to Wall Street and be the same person that is going to rally the American people. That just does not exist.”


http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2016/03/21/bernie-hillary-and-the-new-democratic-party

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New Yorker article about the primary has a quote from Sanders that says a lot. (Original Post) rgbecker Mar 2016 OP
I would be very disappointed if he dropped out. merrily Mar 2016 #1
Go BERNIE!!! TrueDemVA Mar 2016 #2
Wow - Just Wow!!!!!.... global1 Mar 2016 #3
What an idiot. And I don't use that word carelessly. DanTex Mar 2016 #4
In my opinion all of your words are used carelessly, also recklessly and poorly. Bluenorthwest Mar 2016 #5
Another outstanding effort to GOTV!, Dan. frylock Mar 2016 #6
Half the Bernie supporters here half already said they won't vote for Hillary under any circumstance NuclearDem Mar 2016 #7
You aren't under any obligation to reach out.. frylock Mar 2016 #17
PUMAs didn't affect the result of the 2008 election, either. NuclearDem Mar 2016 #18
Well perhaps that fact will help to cut down on all the 'Surrender Dorothy!' threads.. frylock Mar 2016 #19
Nope MaggieD Mar 2016 #47
Watch yourself, your anger is showing. reformist2 Mar 2016 #8
LOL. Projection. Losing by 300+ delegates. DanTex Mar 2016 #9
Projection. Losing millions of voters Kittycat Mar 2016 #12
Celebrating Democrating losses. True colors and all. DanTex Mar 2016 #13
On the contrary. Kittycat Mar 2016 #14
You do know that DNC has not run a Get Out The Vote drive this year? Gwhittey Mar 2016 #54
Your respect for him is dropping? How much lower can it go?? (n/t) thesquanderer Mar 2016 #15
Try calling your candidate out as a LIAR next time.... Segami Mar 2016 #16
There is nothing that he says that is untrue Seeinghope Mar 2016 #21
.^that 840high Mar 2016 #25
You missed the"Hillary will drop out" part. Delusional and not ready redstateblues Mar 2016 #30
Very strange. When has a candidate who is way behind ever said such a thing? He's is in denial. kerry-is-my-prez Mar 2016 #41
He's delusional MaggieD Mar 2016 #34
not demolished oldandhappy Mar 2016 #53
Dan, if anyone should know what "idiot" means, it is you. nt Logical Mar 2016 #56
Go Bernie. And Thank YOU. kgnu_fan Mar 2016 #10
She has mobilized millions more than he has nt geek tragedy Mar 2016 #11
Hillary would not have amassed millions if it wasn't for Bill Clinton Seeinghope Mar 2016 #55
woo hoo!! That's my candidate!! dana_b Mar 2016 #20
That "last week" was before he was creamed in five primary contests. MADem Mar 2016 #22
Maybe the Clinton campaign will pay their Iowa bills. Blus4u Mar 2016 #27
I'll bet they will--the donations are POURING in after those five great victories! nt MADem Mar 2016 #32
nearly four million dollars since that night... grasswire Mar 2016 #61
K&R me b zola Mar 2016 #23
We need to keep up the fight because it is not just about jwirr Mar 2016 #24
Like what kind of power? Like the power Bernie Bros use on line to intimidate people? upaloopa Mar 2016 #35
Bernie is correct. His campaign is the people's campaign..power in numbers. bkkyosemite Mar 2016 #26
Bernie sounds delusional redstateblues Mar 2016 #29
No it's some of the people's campaign and not even a mojority of them. upaloopa Mar 2016 #33
If the United States was just Southern States. bkkyosemite Mar 2016 #37
It isn't the states it the voters in the states. It doesn't make any difference where they live upaloopa Mar 2016 #39
Did they move Illinois, Missouri, Ohio, Massachusetts. Iowa, and Nevada? DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2016 #48
He was measuring the curtains after Michigan BeyondGeography Mar 2016 #28
"mobilizing millions and millions of people. There is no indication that Hillary Clinton has ever upaloopa Mar 2016 #31
And he lags her by 2.75 million votes MaggieD Mar 2016 #36
Many states to go and not Southern States.......any more......... bkkyosemite Mar 2016 #38
And many he is going to lose MaggieD Mar 2016 #46
Guess that's better than revbones Mar 2016 #51
And, wouldn't it be great if she got more votes again... scscholar Mar 2016 #50
Seems his quote was befor he went 0-5 on Tuesday. Nt NCTraveler Mar 2016 #40
Hillary didn't mobilize the people then and she only topped Bernie by less than 2% Uncle Joe Mar 2016 #43
0-5. Nt NCTraveler Mar 2016 #44
That doesn't change my point. n/t Uncle Joe Mar 2016 #45
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Mar 2016 #42
K&R amborin Mar 2016 #49
Go Bernie! Jenny_92808 Mar 2016 #52
K&R to the moon cleopotrick Mar 2016 #57
"That does not happen through a speech." From Sanders? I almost fell out of my chair laughing. nt CalvinballPro Mar 2016 #58
I think his point was the rest of the quote.... rgbecker Mar 2016 #59
Well it seems to be ok for him to ask HC to drop out but not the other way around? nt Jitter65 Mar 2016 #60
I don't think anyone sees any harm in asking. rgbecker Mar 2016 #62

merrily

(45,251 posts)
1. I would be very disappointed if he dropped out.
Thu Mar 17, 2016, 09:42 PM
Mar 2016

I donated again yesterday on the assumption he was staying in.

TrueDemVA

(250 posts)
2. Go BERNIE!!!
Thu Mar 17, 2016, 09:52 PM
Mar 2016

He is my hero. I hope everyone can see where this country needs to go. He is the democrat the party has needed.

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
4. What an idiot. And I don't use that word carelessly.
Thu Mar 17, 2016, 09:57 PM
Mar 2016

Does he believe any of that? He's getting demolished in the primary votes -- Dems don't want him to be the nominee. Can he not count?

My respect for him is dropping.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
5. In my opinion all of your words are used carelessly, also recklessly and poorly.
Thu Mar 17, 2016, 10:11 PM
Mar 2016

I offer criticisms of things Hillary has said or done, like her building an alter to Ron and Nancy claiming they were heroes of the AIDS crisis when they are the uncontested arch villains of that time.
You call Bernie names.
I think I make a stronger case.

 

NuclearDem

(16,184 posts)
7. Half the Bernie supporters here half already said they won't vote for Hillary under any circumstance
Thu Mar 17, 2016, 10:29 PM
Mar 2016

Why do you believe we're under any obligation to reach out to them?

When your candidate is losing by margins of millions of voters, you don't really have the leverage you think you do.

frylock

(34,825 posts)
17. You aren't under any obligation to reach out..
Thu Mar 17, 2016, 10:49 PM
Mar 2016

just as they're under no obligation to vote for Hillary.

frylock

(34,825 posts)
19. Well perhaps that fact will help to cut down on all the 'Surrender Dorothy!' threads..
Thu Mar 17, 2016, 10:51 PM
Mar 2016

I have my doubts that will happen.

Kittycat

(10,493 posts)
12. Projection. Losing millions of voters
Thu Mar 17, 2016, 10:41 PM
Mar 2016

Like Little Debbie has lost our party 100's of seats. Keep that in mind when you focus on Hillary, and what it takes to earn that seat.

Kittycat

(10,493 posts)
14. On the contrary.
Thu Mar 17, 2016, 10:45 PM
Mar 2016

Trying to ensure we keep focused on the message that's captured a new generation, and re-engaged those that that the party ignored when they ran towards to the republicans.

Eta. Not to mention the many caught in the middle of the damage of bad policy.

 

Gwhittey

(1,377 posts)
54. You do know that DNC has not run a Get Out The Vote drive this year?
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 02:03 AM
Mar 2016

I wonder why. Could it be because DWS did not want to do drives because first time voters where more likely to vote for a unknown with a clear curt policy that a shoe in candidate who only policies are rat-fucking

 

Segami

(14,923 posts)
16. Try calling your candidate out as a LIAR next time....
Thu Mar 17, 2016, 10:46 PM
Mar 2016

That would be much more reality-based than lobbing dumb insults.

 

Seeinghope

(786 posts)
21. There is nothing that he says that is untrue
Thu Mar 17, 2016, 10:55 PM
Mar 2016
“The issue is creating an economy and a political system that works for all Americans and not the one per cent. I believe in that

“That does not happen through a speech. That happens by reaching out and mobilizing millions and millions of people. There is no indication that Hillary Clinton has ever done that, or ever wants to do that. You don’t go and give speeches behind closed doors to Wall Street and be the same person that is going to rally the American people. That just does not exist[/.


I believe and agree with that too. What is hard to believe? We see what Washington has done without the people being involved. Now is the time for the people to become involved.

He is right about Hillary Clinton too. She is all about doing things the traditional way and only including people in what she wants them to know. Why not tell us about what really happened in Honduras? Why not be more forthcoming about the e-mails? Why not release transcripts of speeches to Goldman Sachs.....


So much more remains behind closed doors

redstateblues

(10,565 posts)
30. You missed the"Hillary will drop out" part. Delusional and not ready
Thu Mar 17, 2016, 11:54 PM
Mar 2016

To be Commander in Chief

kerry-is-my-prez

(10,264 posts)
41. Very strange. When has a candidate who is way behind ever said such a thing? He's is in denial.
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 12:33 AM
Mar 2016

He either believes his own press, is listening way to much to some hard core supporters, or has had a blow to the head. Find this a little scary.......

oldandhappy

(6,719 posts)
53. not demolished
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 01:54 AM
Mar 2016

Behind due to DWS careful structuring the primaries. Stay tuned. The DNC dismissed him from the get go. DWS treated him unfairly from the get go. clinton dismissed him. Many clintonites dismissed him. Many have listened. More have listened than the DNC or clinton or DWS expected. He may not win. He is very worthy of respect. There are 21 states yet to vote.

 

Seeinghope

(786 posts)
55. Hillary would not have amassed millions if it wasn't for Bill Clinton
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 05:29 PM
Mar 2016

Hillary Clinton is a product of her husband. She would not have the support that she has if not for Bill Clinton. He has paved the way for her. She has even admitted it herself “I am not a natural politician, my husband is”. He has made the connections, called in favours, guided her and paved the way for her. It didn’t work when she ran against Obama so they took a little bit of a different approach and now Bill is more visible in this campaign. In fact he goes to the polls and makes speeches in his wife’s behalf which is very “unpresidential” and questionable as far as laws and ethics. Does he disturb the voting process for the voters for Bernie Sanders? Some would say “yes”. The extra traffic surrounding Clinton’s entourage, moving Bernie Sanders voters out of the way for photo ops with Hillary Clinton voters and Bill blocking the entrance to the building. Even though he might stand within the legal limit, it is still a questionable tactic, certainly below a former President of the United States.

It is time to end dynasties. GW was in the same boat as Hillary Clinton. Neither had a great record to run on

Hillary Clinton foreign policy “experience” has some brewing scandals, the e-mails, Honduras, Libya, her good friend Kissinger, her definite neo con leanings and her vote for Iraq.

Her domestic policy is so connected to Bill Clinton. The line is so blurred. When will the President Hillary Clinton be making decisions and when will Bill Clinton be making decisions? Is Bill Clinton just to stand idly by while Hillary Clinton is the top dog in the marriage now? It is confusing. There will be so much speculation just about that alone.

The Republicans will be more relentless in their attacks because now they have 2 targets and a lot of skeletons. We will be bogged down by all of the attacks of their character, business dealings, policy results…..I really don’t want to rehash old times and new allegations (some with merit). It may not be right but the Clintons, the scandals and policy failures are ripe for the picking.

Then there is still the question, what exactly will Bill be doing? I think that is a huge question that needs to be answered now since this is important to know. This is uncharted territory and something to be considered. This isn’t 1992. We have more information and not all of it is so favourable on those years and policy's from the Clintons.

Hillary Clinton is a product of Bill Clinton and not in the position that she is in on her own merit. She doesn’t get paid the big bucks by Goldman Sachs because of just her own achievements, she gets them because of her status as 1st Lady and Bill Clinton and possible President of the United States.

Yes, Hillary Clinton is intelligent, admirable, successful in her own right but she is not an Elizabeth Warren.

Bernie Sanders has had a proven track record for decades. He has been consistent on what he has fought for. He isn’t a rich man because that is not his motivation. The Clintons though have come a long way from their start in politics. They have amassed pretty great wealth and are still in the process of doing it. Their motives are not so pure.

Michelle Obama captured it when she said “Don’t worry, i’m not going to run for President of the United States”. Thank you Mrs. Obama!

MADem

(135,425 posts)
22. That "last week" was before he was creamed in five primary contests.
Thu Mar 17, 2016, 11:05 PM
Mar 2016

He was still riding on that Lucky Michigan Bump when he made that comment.

I think he's looking for ways to hang on for a bit longer, but I think he sees the handwriting on the wall.

Now's the time for him to press, strongly, for donations to his campaign while his supporters are still sorting out their feelings between fight or flight, so he can retire his campaign debt in short order.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
32. I'll bet they will--the donations are POURING in after those five great victories! nt
Thu Mar 17, 2016, 11:58 PM
Mar 2016

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
24. We need to keep up the fight because it is not just about
Thu Mar 17, 2016, 11:19 PM
Mar 2016

Bernie - it is about the people and about the issues that effect the people.

We need to go into that Convention with as much power as we can get.

GOTV for Bernie.

upaloopa

(11,417 posts)
35. Like what kind of power? Like the power Bernie Bros use on line to intimidate people?
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 12:00 AM
Mar 2016

Bernie is toast.

upaloopa

(11,417 posts)
39. It isn't the states it the voters in the states. It doesn't make any difference where they live
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 12:22 AM
Mar 2016

DemocratSinceBirth

(101,840 posts)
48. Did they move Illinois, Missouri, Ohio, Massachusetts. Iowa, and Nevada?
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 01:01 AM
Mar 2016

He is going to win Idaho though...

upaloopa

(11,417 posts)
31. "mobilizing millions and millions of people. There is no indication that Hillary Clinton has ever
Thu Mar 17, 2016, 11:57 PM
Mar 2016

done that."

Hell Bernie can't even get his millennials to vote!

 

MaggieD

(7,393 posts)
36. And he lags her by 2.75 million votes
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 12:00 AM
Mar 2016

He is starting to sound like a grandiose narcissist.

 

revbones

(3,660 posts)
51. Guess that's better than
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 01:13 AM
Mar 2016

A corrupt law-breaking old woman who won despite lies and law-breaking.

Uncle Joe

(65,057 posts)
43. Hillary didn't mobilize the people then and she only topped Bernie by less than 2%
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 12:47 AM
Mar 2016

her home state of Illinois.

 

CalvinballPro

(1,019 posts)
58. "That does not happen through a speech." From Sanders? I almost fell out of my chair laughing. nt
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 05:50 PM
Mar 2016

rgbecker

(4,890 posts)
59. I think his point was the rest of the quote....
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 05:54 PM
Mar 2016

You don’t go and give speeches behind closed doors to Wall Street and be the same person that is going to rally the American people.

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