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[NuclearDem]

1. It's just getting pathetic at this point.

[TM99]

2. Why not?

Some already did in VT when he won a resounding victory there. Dean of course refused being the Clinton sell-out and sycophant that he is. He whined on about how he will do what is best for the country instead of following the will of the voters.

It is so rich seeing all the talk of hypocrisy given the level y'all demonstrate here and elsewhere daily.

[MADem]

13. Howard Dean isn't representing VT--not sure where you got that idea.

He's a senior party leader, who led the NATIONAL party, and from that he gets his SD vote. He wasn't "elected" by the people of VT, either, to do that job.

VT has a governor who will serve as a Superdelegate. Neither he nor Patrick Leahy are supporting Sanders. They're not obligated to so do, either. Only 3 of VT's superdelegates have pledged to support BS.

http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/story/news/2016/03/08/three-vermont-superdelegates-pledge-bernie-sanders/81484706/

[still_one]

3. That's not how it works. Really sad

[riversedge]

5. But on Maddow tonight-that is Bernies new argument to get the nomination.

yes, it is.

[MADem]

14. I think "someone" told him to say that.

His inner circle is really far too insular.

It's starting to get embarrassing.

[geek tragedy]

4. Did he really say that out loud? nt

[Trust Buster]

6. Yes, why wouldn't Super Delegates from the Democrat infrastructure flip their votes

to a non-Democrat carpetbagger with fewer pledged delegates ? Sounds like a good career move to me.....LOL

[giftedgirl77]

8. Bc if you can't get it fairly whine, complain & have your supporters

stalk them on social media. That's the new revolution M.O. didn't you hear?

[Trust Buster]

9. BC, the Sanders crowd admires the anarchy that is being threatened at the Republican convention.

[giftedgirl77]

7. Are those the evil establishment delegates that he claims

to despise so much? Logic & reason have no place in that campaign & it starts at the top.

[Cheese Sandwich]

10. Democrats who go against their own constituents should face primary a challenge.

Being a superdelegate is a position of power and trust.

So if you're Jean Shaheen for example where over 60% of her voters probably backed Bernie Sanders and she is still giving her superdelegate vote to Clinton, she could face a primary challenge.

Someone could make that a major issue in a primary and they should.

[brooklynite]

23. You'll let Alan Grayson know that, will you?

[sadoldgirl]

11. Let's face it, if the SD are going against their

districts or counties or states as far as their constituents
votes go, they need their votes in November to stay in
their seats.

You may call it blackmail or anything else bad, but they
know that they want to keep their power and can only
keep it, if they get reelected.

I remember very well how we were upset about that
super delegate rule, because it undermined the choice
of the people, yet they assumed the power of the
party apparatchiks.

[MADem]

12. I'll be crowned Shah of Iran first!

LOL!

Now we're in the complex "it could happen" scenario stage of grief.

It's not really SANDERS, to be fair--the Maddow interview is the first time I've seen him try to pretend that the Supers would give him any help.

Really, it's his more ardent supporters and his ghastly "inner circle" that are putting this crap out--they've been suggesting it for weeks if not months. It's pretty doggone hilarious. Basically, all the big decisions are made by three people-- Weaver, Devine, and Jane. Weaver was the one doing the most mouthing off about Super Delegates--like they'd jump through their own butts to support Sanders after all the horrible things he's said about Democrats in the past.

There is a reason that--despite serving in Congress for a QUARTER CENTURY--very few have stepped forward to support him. He's not very nice to them, he's not very helpful, and he doesn't go out of his way to "support the team." In fact, he is DISMISSIVE of them (and that's the most polite word I could find to describe his lack of regard for his peers on the Hill). Ya get as good as ya give.

I think when they write the book on the Sanders campaign, they are going to call "Lack of diversity" -- in terms of both APPEAL and CAMPAIGN INPUT -- as the main reason why the campaign failed. They, for example, really thought they could rope in the black far left with Killer Mike, Cornel West, Harry Belafonte and Spike Lee. They were counting on it as a strategy--and it failed, miserably. They didn't reach out to regular people--"The Plan" came from the Top Down, and, despite all the fancy "new school" tech, and methodologies, the prosecution of the effort--the large rallies with limited interaction between candidate and supporters, the broad brush, the rapid (bullying) response to any criticism--it just all came back on them in the end.

And, at the end of the day, posts on the internet, hashtags, and clicks on online votes aren't actual "people at the polls." If you don't GOTV, you don't PASS GO. Millions more people have voted for Clinton than Sanders. There is just too much ground to make up--with every vote, Sanders falls further behind.

That's just the way it is.

In the interim, as Sanders slogs on towards an inevitable realization that this is just not going to happen, I hope people who are supporters of Sanders continue to donate generously to him, so he can retire his debt and meet all his campaign obligations. It's no fun to be saddled with a ton of debt that has to be fundraised away over years--the sooner he can balance his books and go on to his next chapter, whatever that might be, the better.

[DURHAM D]

15. and they thought they would get the women's vote

with Susan Sarandon

[MADem]

20. When people figured out that she was a bullshitter it was a problem for her.

She claimed that the only reason she opposed Clinton was because of her "IWR vote."

Thing is, she had no problem with John Edwards...who voted the exact same way.

[NurseJackie]

22. She caused a lot of damage with her "well fuck them" comment ...

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... and her exchange with Delores Huerta. (Being an academy award winner and a star in a popular cult film can only get you so far.)

[DURHAM D]

28. And, Thelma/ Geena Davis endorsed Hillary early on.

Not only did she play the President in Commander and Chief she is a feminist and activist.

From wiki -

Davis launched The Geena Davis Institute on Gender in Media in 2007.[21] The Institute's first focus is an on-the-ground program that works collaboratively with the entertainment industry to dramatically increase the presence of female characters in media aimed at children and to reduce stereotyping of females by the male-dominated industry.[citation needed] For her work in this field she received an honorary Doctor of Fine Arts degree from Bates College in May 2009.

In 2011, Davis became one of a handful of celebrities attached to USAID and Ad Council's FWD campaign, an awareness initiative tied to that year's East Africa drought. She joined Uma Thurman, Chanel Iman and Josh Hartnett in TV and internet ads to "forward the facts" about the crisis.

In 2015, Davis launched an annual film festival to be held in Bentonville, Arkansas, to highlight diversity in film, accepting films that prominently feature minorities and women in the cast and crew. The Bentonville Film Festival will occur May 5–9, 2015 and will begin accepting submissions on January 15.

Louise can go screw herself.

[frazzled]

16. I have nothing to add

Except to say huzzah for the "top down" analysis you've given with respect to gaining the trust of non-white, non-young voters. It's all about "why my trickle-down plan to eradicate the billionaire class will save you from every social and economic depredation," and here's a handful of minor or past-their-prime people of color to tell you why I am the one true savior. Big rallies in college towns for the photo-op appearance of adoring masses, as opposed to one-on-one engagement with the people to understand their real bread-and-butter, everyday issues. Preaching pure ideology from the heights while ignoring the hard realities, and hard work, of policy making that can actually make a difference in people's lives.

Indeed, I have thought from very early on that the only way Sanders could possibly govern would be from top down ... that is to say, as a sort of dictator. It would be the only way to implement even a portion of his agenda. In the end, for all the talk of a campaign of the people, he and his team seem to have little respect for the will of the people or the democratic process itself. So now that the revolution isn't working all that well, we're down to a bizarre plan to flip (the previously reviled elite, establishment) super delegates.

I think this goes beyond the stages of grief. I think it's delusions of grandeur. Or delusions. I've truly had it. It's demagoguery pure and simple.

That is all I have to add. Purely out of pent-up frustration that has kept me quiet for weeks.

[MADem]

18. I can relate, and understand why you're "frazzled" -- particularly given the circumstances!

It's been tough to have a conversation about political differences because dissent wasn't tolerated. Now it is, and that makes life a bit easier.

I do agree that he--and his staff--and some of his supporters, certainly--take that "My Way or the Highway" attitude. It can be upsetting and off-putting.

That said, I hope his supporters keep donating vigorously to his campaign so he can retire his debt.

[Zen Democrat]

26. He doesn't have any debts. He's awash in funds.

[MADem]

31. That's why a bunch of his campaign workers departed to go work at a Millenial Super Pac?

OK, sure, whatever you say.

Awash in funds? All the more for downticket races, if there's any left over, then! Donate generously!

[DesertRat]

17. Doesn't Sanders realize that a vast majority of super delegates

have long strong relationships with the Clintons; that the Clintons have raised money and campaigned for them, while Sanders has done nothing for them?

[MADem]

19. He SHOULD know that--seeing as his Senate campaign benefitted from GENEROUS donations from

cough-- HILLPAC -- cough...and individual donations that Clinton and others steered his way.

[Beacool]

21. It's not going to happen.

If either party denies the candidate with the most pledged delegates the nomination, the backlash will be brutal.

That party would lose the election. They would have stolen the nomination from the will of the people and those people will not vote for the person they anointed. It's undemocratic.

If Sanders thinks that he can hijack the election by getting super delegates to switch to him, despite Hillary leading in pledged delegates, he WILL get to see a revolution.

That would be the one way to guarantee that people would not vote for the nominee. I would be one of them.

[workinclasszero]

24. But..but..the will of the people???

Supers are tools of the Oligarchy....wall street...????

Oh Bernies losing so all those high morals standards go out the window, eh?

What a joke!

[LexVegas]

25. Its not hypocrisy. Its supreme arrogance brought on by a modicum of success. nt

[sufrommich]

30. This. We're probably close to the time when Sanders

starts referring to himself in the 3rd person in campaign speeches. The end of his campaign won't be pretty.

[Gothmog]

27. This tactic is not going to work

The fact that this is all that Sanders has left is amusing

[DCBob]

29. Last desperate gasp of a dying campaign.

RIP