2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumBernie Sanders IS the Democratic Party
From the Daily Kos
That other Democratic Party is Republican Lite Incorporated, its owned by Wall Street and managed by K Street and doesnt give a damn about Main Street. Im not telling Hillary supporters that, 30 years of Triangulation is telling them that, 30 years of complicity in tax cuts for the rich is telling them that, 30 years of complicity in the destruction of civil liberties and the crushing of labor unions and the shipping of jobs overseas is telling them that.
But Hillary supporters only hear what they want to hear, they only see what they want to see, as democracy dies, as politicians of the Corporate Party poison it with corruption, as Hillary collects her speaker fee paychecks from Wall Street and they proudly proclaim Im With Her.
Not so long ago, the message of the Democratic Party was inspiring, it came from the heart, it had meaning, it rang out across this country and voters responded to it, it won election after election, ensured Democratic control of the House of Representatives for 40 years, and brought America a Golden Age of Middle Class prosperity.
Now it sounds like a cheap tin bell.
But theres a different bell ringing, loud and clear against the coming of the night. Theres a stirring anthem being sung by the Democratic Party of Bernie Sanders, it rang out across New Hampshire, Vermont, and Oklahoma, across Minnesota, Colorado and Maine, across Kansas and Nebraska and Michigan . . .
And it will ring out the rest of the way, from New York to California, it will ring out at the Democratic Convention and on into November.
For some bizarre reason, Hillary people are claiming this is over, they have begun preaching their sermons about unity.
Unity with what?
Unity with the DNC Machine of Debbie Wasserman Schultz? Unity with the SuperPac Machine of Hillary Rodham Clinton? Unity with the cheap tin bell ringers of the 2010 and 2014 midterm election disasters?
The Democratic establishment has learned nothing from those epic defeats, Hillary has learned nothing from those epic defeats, the people supporting them have learned nothing from those epic defeats.
Theyre calling for unity, but thats not what it is. Its endless submission to the corporate candidates of the corrupt Democratic establishment, its endless appeasement of Wall Street bankers, its endless military interventions in the Middle East, its an endless ride on the Triangulation Tollway, we pay the toll and pay the toll and pay the toll and all we ever get for it is more toll booths further down the road.
What are you going to do about it, vote for the evil Republicans?
No.
Were going to vote for Bernie.
Thats what were going to do about it.
Thats what Arizona and Utah and Idaho voters are going to do about it, thats what Alaska and Hawaii and Washington voters are going to do about it, thats what Wisconsin and Wyoming and New York voters are going to do about it, thats what California and the rest of the primary states are going to do about it, thats what the Democratic Convention is going to do about it.
And come November, thats what the American people are going to do about it.
http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/3/17/1496825/-Bernie-Sanders-IS-the-Democratic-Party
BreakfastClub
(765 posts)Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)than most of today's party bigshots, including both Clintons.
wyldwolf
(43,869 posts)SoLeftIAmRight
(4,883 posts)sad - might be a better expression
BainsBane
(53,055 posts)Did he switch his party ID in the Senate?
smiley
(1,432 posts)and if Hillary is nominated you can consider me an Independent again.
alarimer
(16,245 posts)It's funny how here nominally progressive supporters rail against Sanders, when what he stands for is just like what was in the New Deal. Most Democrats are proud of that. It's become nothing more than a cult of personality, with no actual critical thinking of the contrast between what Democrats allegedly stand for and what they actually do. The smears and the lies are just too much. I'm starting to despise politics and the fan club nature of all of it. There is no critical thinking involved at all. My criticism is not specific to Clinton. It's all the "new" Democrats, who have betrayed their own party (and more importantly, the people) at every turn, with their corporate giveaways.
Anyway, this season has taught me that I am no longer a Democrat (even though I have to register as one to vote in our primary- in which I will vote for Sanders and for every single Democratic primary challenger). But after that, no more. And I will stop wasting my time arguing on the internet with people won't can't or won't see reason.
Peace Patriot
(24,010 posts)You got me almost laughing with agreement! Bernie Sanders is the REAL Democrat!
I've been around for a long time--50+ years as an activist Democrat (canvassed for JFK in 1960, when I was 16)--and I recognize a Democrat when I see one: a candidate who speaks for workers and the poor, for genuine opportunity for all, who abhors the corporate/billionaire takeover of my party, as much as I abhor it, and who understands just how much our democracy is in peril from this co-optation.
I unhesitatingly support Sanders over the Clinton Corporate machine!
I like the party of FDR that I was born into. I like what the New Deal did for my parents and grandparents, and they also appreciated it and were Democrats. Real Democrats. In my view, Sanders held himself apart from the Democratic Party, as an Independent, because the party was so corrupt already when he entered political life. He caucused with them in Congress but he was not OF them. Perhaps the Democratic Party would be better--would have reformed itself a lot sooner--if more of us had done that: Left the party for its utter corruption during the Clinton years--the end of Glass-Steagall (Good God! Why didn't more of us make the Clintons pay for that, then?), the Crime bill and the "war on drugs" (horrible!), the Welfare bill (just as horrible), "free trade for the rich" (so damaging to workers! so damaging to our very sovereignty as a people), their failure on gay rights and so much more. They were NEVER Democrats. They were interlopers, and many of us loyal Democrats didn't see it until too late.
Well, many of us oldies see it now--with the clear-eyed young leading the way. SANDERS is the Democrat, and Hillary Clinton is the Goldman Sachs candidate. It couldn't be clearer. The only thing that can save the Democratic Party from the near fatal damage that the Clintons have inflicted on it is this campaign--the Sanders campaign--and, win or lose this FIRST step, the long term restoration of the "big tent" Party of the People that this campaign has inspired.
That is why we won't give up. The heart and soul of our democracy is at stake. I've never had any illusions about Sanders' chances in the nomination process--rigged as it it, from outside (corporate media, corporate donors) and inside (DNC). I am amazed that he has gotten this far! He still has a chance, with blue skies ahead. She hasn't done that well, even with all of her advantages. He has a strong argument that he is the best candidate for the GE. He creates great excitement with his revolutionary funding method and his plain statement of REAL Democratic goals--goals that have been with us since Harry Truman, like Medicare for all and like expanding Social Security so that it covers cost of living, and like insisting on a living wage, and insuring a college education for all qualified students.
Astonishing, isn't it, that we don't hear these things, except occasionally (when they want our votes) as dim, insincere echoes, from much of our party establishment? And here's Sanders saying what THEY should be saying, and meaning it!
Well, you said all this better, so I won't go on. I will just say a big THANK YOU for your thrilling essay!
TrueDemVA
(250 posts)I'm in my 30's and this is the first time in my life the Democratic Party has had a candidate that truly represents us. When I was younger I use to defend Bill Clinton and drank the Kool aid believing he was this great president, but as I have gotten older and seen just how damaging he was for not only the party, but the country, there is no way I could ever support a Clinton.
The party should be uniting behind Sanders. People have been brainwashed into thinking Hillary is a democrat. Wake up my fellow democrats. Understand what it really means to be a Democrat. It's more than having D after your name.
pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)and I felt the same thing you did when I read it so I posted it here. Glad to spread the joy.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)He has not always had great things to say about the Democratic party.
pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)Bernie may not always have great thing to say about what the Democratic Party has BECOME. Just as the article did, in case you didn't actually read it but just wanted to snark against it. The Democratic party has become a corporatist party that doesn't really represent the people and the working Americans. Which means that the Democratic party isn't really what the Democratic party should be. It's fallen a LONG way.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)I'm better with numbers. Many people are much better with words than I am.
BainsBane
(53,055 posts)It is not defined by one man who for years has made so secret of his contempt for it. Nor is the party defined by people who refuse to vote for the nominee. It is comprised To no small extent by women, people of color and LGBT Americans. It doesn't exist to promote the career of one man who can't approach winning a majority of voters. Those who insists their views and their political candidate takes precedence over the democratic will of the electorate demonstrate quite clearly that they stand in stark opposition to not only the party but democracy.
Half of the American public has already voted and handily rejected the man you insist should determine our party and political consciousness. The American people is not comprised of a self-entitled minority. Its will is made apparent through elections, the very elections in which Bernie's candidacy has been decimated.
Vote for whomever you like, but you do not define the Democratic Party, and you have no right to insist that that you can rather than the delegates at the convention or the majority of Democratic voters determine what it is.
Bernie is not anti corporatist. He voted for and continues to defend immunity for gun corporations, showing in no uncertain terms that he puts corporate profits over the rights and the lives of the American people. Bernie has voted with the GOP far more often than Clinton, on issues like immigration, the Minutemen, and Moar guns.
There is nothing Republican about Clinton, and the fact is she is overwhelmingly supported by Democrats over Sanders. Many of his votes have come from independents, who are not now and have never been Democrats. Now you insist it is they and you who matter more than the majority of Democratic voters. That has been an argument for why we should vote as posters here demand, and that our very rights to make independent democratic choices are illegitimate since we refuse to follow their command. Entitlement, insults, threats and bullying proved to be unsuccessful political tactics, but they did expose just how much those who engaged in it oppose the rights of their fellow citizens whom they refuse to treat as equals.
Bernie has had a super Pacs for over a year, lying to the American people the entire time. He also has some $23 million in illegal campaign contributions cited. Staffers who only just left his campaign went to work for it in Alaska. http://time.com/4261350/bernie-sanders-super-pac-alaska-millenials/ By the way, that's illegal, as were the $23 million in excess campaign contributions that went to his affiliated pac and his campaign, prompting a series of FEC inquiries (middle and end of Feb).
http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2016/02/12/f-e-c-tells-sanders-campaign-that-some-donors-may-have-given-too-much/?_r=4
http://docquery.fec.gov/pdf/988/201602110300034988/201602110300034988.pdf
And again. http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2016/02/26/bernie-sanders-campaign-contributions/80999298/
http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/story/news/politics/2016/02/26/feds-flag-bernie-sanders-campaign-contributions/80985898/
The disclosures about his historic level of illegal finding demonstrate that he is been far from honest. You and others decided to buy his rhetoric without bothering to see ask if it held up to scrutiny. Your wanted to be lied to, so you were. None of these disclosures make any difference to his most vocal supporters because his rhetoric has served as mere pretext for their war on Democratic voters and the party itself for refusing to elevate their class interests over the concerns and rights of the majority.
all american girl
(1,788 posts)And I just want to give this to you
wyldwolf
(43,869 posts)Cal33
(7,018 posts)daring to come straight out and challenge the greatest evil that has been plaguing America for
the past 40 years. Bernie has thrown down the gauntlet at Corporate America!!
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)The long, troubled history of Bernie Sanders and the 'ideologically bankrupt' party whose White House nod he now seeks.
By MICHAEL KRUSE and MANU RAJU August 10, 2015
http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/08/bernie-sanders-2016-democrats-121181
Bernie Sanders says he ran as Democrat for the media attention
Bernie Sanders on Monday night said he decided to run for president as a Democrat because of the media attention he would receive.
"Do you run as an independent? Do you run within the Democratic party? We concluded-- and I think it was absolutely the right decision, that, A) in terms of media coverage -- you have to run within the Democratic Party," the Vermont independent said at MSNBC's Democratic town hall in Columbus, Ohio.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/bernie-sanders-says-he-ran-as-democrat-for-the-media-attention/
LexVegas
(6,091 posts)alcibiades_mystery
(36,437 posts)msongs
(67,433 posts)qdouble
(891 posts)djean111
(14,255 posts)called a Democrat, but Bernie, who embodies all that is/was, really good about the Democratic Party is sneered at.
That "big tent" is really only for DINOs, isn't it?
Hopefully, the DINO game is beginning to end.
Cal33
(7,018 posts)Republicans are also split, and at this very same time.
Tarc
(10,476 posts)That is all.
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)Thanks Skinner
PeaceNikki
(27,985 posts)1. I am not now, nor have I ever been, a liberal Democrat. 1985
2. The Democratic Party is ideologically bankrupt. Their ideology is opportunism. 1986
3. I am not a Democrat, period. 1988
4. the old Democrat-Republican, tweedle-dee tweedle-dum, two-party system 1989
5. greed and vulgarity perpetuated by the Democrats and Republicans 1989
6. You dont change the system from within the Democratic Party.
7. My own feeling is that the Democratic Party is ideologically bankrupt.
8. Why should we work within the Democratic Party if we dont agree with anything the Democratic Party says? 1990
9. It would be hypocritical of me to run as a Democrat because of the things I have said about the Party. 1990
10. I am running as a Democrat obviously, I am a Democrat now. Nov. 5, 2015
Step 10 seems radically inconsistent. After being a socialist for 54 years, and despising Democrats (as any good socialist does), he suddenly becomes a super Democratjust in the nick of time to enter the primaries. Could the chance to use, and perhaps take over, the Democratic party have something to do with his last-minute conversion?
http://zfacts.com/socialist-bernie-sanders/
pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)so much that they put him on committees and even made him Chairman of some as well. So for YOU, who were not there, to pretend that you know better than all those Democrats who welcomed him . . . a bit presumptuous.
PeaceNikki
(27,985 posts)pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)Do any Hillary supporters actually address ANY issue or is it ALWAYS the standard, typical, disingenuous REPUBICAN tactic of deflecting, changing the subject, attacking the messenger. . . . do you have ANY answers at all????
PeaceNikki
(27,985 posts)pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)Orsino
(37,428 posts)We are coming around, but we are not quite there yet.
amborin
(16,631 posts)uponit7771
(90,359 posts)... his consummate ignoring of the effects of congress on presidetial policies is gob smacking
Beacool
(30,250 posts)He's a self described "democratic" Socialist who was an Independent until he joined the party out of self interest to run for president.
Sugar coat any which way, but that's the reality. He even admitted recently why he chose to run as a Democrat.
Kermitt Gribble
(1,855 posts)Sadly, politics has become no different than rooting for your favorite football team.
Uncle Joe
(58,403 posts)Thanks for the thread, pdsimdars.
jwirr
(39,215 posts)the T-party took over the Rs in later years. And both are still moving us to the right as much as they can. They don't even mention the pre-80s issues unless they are trying to get some specific voter group to pay attention.
I we do not all want to end up going over the cliff with the rw we need to vote for Bernie. His issues are the issues that we heard pre-DLC.
A vote for Hillary is a vote for the corporate rule.