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K&R! stonecutter357 Mar 2016 #1
Poli-sci classes show AA community being co-opted by white bourgeoisie establishment 130 yrs. TheBlackAdder Mar 2016 #160
K&R NCTraveler Mar 2016 #2
Bye, Felicia! PeaceNikki Mar 2016 #3
Ha!! :-D NurseJackie Mar 2016 #78
What's the proper sig line gravedance in this situation? hootinholler Mar 2016 #4
I bet it will be classy...because that is how they roll. artislife Mar 2016 #106
The administrators can ban any of us. DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2016 #5
We all think we know better than others. JonLeibowitz Mar 2016 #10
voting in an election is not even remotely the same as... jcgoldie Mar 2016 #17
And I didn't excuse his behavior. JonLeibowitz Mar 2016 #25
He wasn't banned for voting. DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2016 #18
I know. I called him out on it. And I am calling out what I see as a fallacy in your post. JonLeibowitz Mar 2016 #26
Where is the fallacy ? DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2016 #38
You said JonLeibowitz Mar 2016 #45
perspicacity! jcgoldie Mar 2016 #27
That same sentiment is expressed here daily about poor republicans. Loudestlib Mar 2016 #34
Exactly. But some do not want to see. JonLeibowitz Mar 2016 #46
Poor Republicans aren't an integral and indispensable part of our base. DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2016 #47
that wasnt a lecture jcgoldie Mar 2016 #35
We mock the entire country for picking wrong in 2000 and 2004 and not seeing through JonLeibowitz Mar 2016 #40
I agree its a fine line jcgoldie Mar 2016 #51
Oh sorry, the equation is one which people use when explaining that voting JonLeibowitz Mar 2016 #65
And we wonder all the time why the poor and lower middle class vote against their self-interest by kath Mar 2016 #90
So you do think you know better than a group who votes in a different way than you do? Jackie Wilson Said Mar 2016 #108
I mean, don't we all to some extent? JonLeibowitz Mar 2016 #134
Here is the difference. Jackie Wilson Said Mar 2016 #138
I think you are exactly right. JonLeibowitz Mar 2016 #144
Agreed NWCorona Mar 2016 #11
I agree bravenak Mar 2016 #39
As you say, it was the repetition. SusanCalvin Mar 2016 #63
I have too but that one was especially for me bravenak Mar 2016 #73
Long time coming. Codeine Mar 2016 #6
Storming dog whistle beach!!!!! JoePhilly Mar 2016 #154
Huge K&R!!... SidDithers Mar 2016 #7
So who will pimp Trump's chances in the fall now BeyondGeography Mar 2016 #8
I'm sure there's a replacement waiting in the wings. nt sufrommich Mar 2016 #12
right! n/t jazzwinders Mar 2016 #79
You will be able to recognize him by the coy little shruggies at the end of every damn post PeaceNikki Mar 2016 #81
There are plenty left. nt DURHAM D Mar 2016 #13
Unfortunately, as in society as a whole, people of this ilk are among us. Fla Dem Mar 2016 #67
Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2016 #87
I generally liked him, but he exercised poor judgment and I didn't agree with many of his positions. morningfog Mar 2016 #9
Yup. Agschmid Mar 2016 #74
Yeah.. that guy was a shit stirrer. DCBob Mar 2016 #14
Now if only some others who seem to live just to stir the shit here, taking great glee in it, would kath Mar 2016 #92
Good. Dr Hobbitstein Mar 2016 #15
The exact words...... quickesst Mar 2016 #16
GOOD RIDDANCE! (How did he survive so long anyway?) NurseJackie Mar 2016 #19
Cute picture -- brilliant - - made me laugh pdsimdars Mar 2016 #44
It's getting clearer and clearer that this division will not heal Gregorian Mar 2016 #20
You should probably lying read Earl's explanation for the ban. sufrommich Mar 2016 #24
Value seems to be in the eye of the beholder. Jackie Wilson Said Mar 2016 #109
He was a blatantly racist shitstirrer Codeine Mar 2016 #28
Was he a racist or racialist , or perhaps that's a difference without a distinction? DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2016 #58
I think he got a thrill trolling AA posters. Codeine Mar 2016 #64
Valuable? I don't think so. leftofcool Mar 2016 #30
He was a very vocal bigot and racist for his whole tenure here. nt. NCTraveler Mar 2016 #56
WillyT caused much divisiveness on this board. cwydro Mar 2016 #88
What the fuck is valuable about a blatant racist? Codeine Mar 2016 #131
There are plenty of decent Bernie supporters. Sheepshank Mar 2016 #149
YEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSS! All hail the admins' axe! Surya Gayatri Mar 2016 #21
I'm not big on grave dancing...but that was deserved. Lucinda Mar 2016 #22
I know I am on thin ice because of my hides but this was his own fault. hrmjustin Mar 2016 #23
I agree. And I gave up on asking him to stop posting racist stuff. Luminous Animal Mar 2016 #31
Yes, to your infinite credit you did. I appreciate all the DU'ers with integrity KittyWampus Mar 2016 #55
To your credit, and although we agree on nothing..good msanthrope Mar 2016 #137
I worry about all this attention to just this one poster. Willy has many like him here Jackie Wilson Said Mar 2016 #114
Remember that most Sanders supporters will back the nominee. hrmjustin Mar 2016 #117
I know all that, but I will tell you that I am hearing elsewhere a great deal of Jackie Wilson Said Mar 2016 #130
God help us. hrmjustin Mar 2016 #132
It is a shame that that energy could not have been focused on Trump, the real enemy of all of us Tarc Mar 2016 #29
The real enemy isn't the Romans. iandhr Mar 2016 #48
First one is the funniest scene in movie history Jackie Wilson Said Mar 2016 #116
He asked for it and he deserved it. Bonobo Mar 2016 #32
Good to see. iandhr Mar 2016 #33
Oh noes! alcibiades_mystery Mar 2016 #36
Is he one of those Bernie supporters who will switch to Trump ... salinsky Mar 2016 #37
He had just posted implying that this morning. yardwork Mar 2016 #49
Who knows. MoonRiver Mar 2016 #50
I won't grave dance. Amimnoch Mar 2016 #41
I do DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2016 #60
You can only test the limits for so long. MineralMan Mar 2016 #42
Post removed Post removed Mar 2016 #43
+100 bigtree Mar 2016 #59
You want everyone who ever recced a post of his banned? kdmorris Mar 2016 #115
That's not what I said, but enabling racism IS sickening. yardwork Mar 2016 #147
You didn't say ask them kdmorris Mar 2016 #148
Yep. And I will remember them MaggieD Mar 2016 #125
You'll remember them? Did you copy the rec list? morningfog Mar 2016 #155
Too bad he couldn't see ibegurpard Mar 2016 #52
The infamous Stockholm Syndrome post workinclasszero Mar 2016 #53
Props to all the users who kept that original thread kicked. joshcryer Mar 2016 #54
Gloating ill becomes us. n/t Orsino Mar 2016 #57
Being one of the 67 people who recced his last Codeine Mar 2016 #66
Yeah. Like that. n/t Orsino Mar 2016 #69
Concern noted. nt Codeine Mar 2016 #72
Word alcibiades_mystery Mar 2016 #70
I don't think it's gloating to say that we stand by the AA men and women of this board and will not Lucinda Mar 2016 #75
Love for the LGBQT community. NCTraveler Mar 2016 #61
Thank you! MaggieD Mar 2016 #129
K and R Bobbie Jo Mar 2016 #62
The recs for that thread! alcibiades_mystery Mar 2016 #68
Good. Racists don't belong on DU. nt Cali_Democrat Mar 2016 #71
HUGE K&R! JaneyVee Mar 2016 #76
past greats, past baits: Bluenorthwest Mar 2016 #77
I never saw that second link. Banned from the group. Righteous words on your part. As usual. NCTraveler Mar 2016 #150
A necessary ban to help make DU look HRC supportive during the primaries. aikoaiko Mar 2016 #80
Or at least a little less racist and homophobic. PeaceNikki Mar 2016 #83
or be inconvenient. aikoaiko Mar 2016 #84
WillyT's banning was earned. He wasn't banned for supporting Sanders. PeaceNikki Mar 2016 #86
What is interesting is that Earl doesn't say WillyT is racist or even insensitive. aikoaiko Mar 2016 #93
Awww, you need a hug? PeaceNikki Mar 2016 #94
No, I only need to speak out. aikoaiko Mar 2016 #96
I know, it seems very important to you to defend racist and homophobic posts. PeaceNikki Mar 2016 #98
I didn't defend the post. And the line appears to be transgression plus anti-HRC opinion. aikoaiko Mar 2016 #104
It's their site. They can ban anyone they want to. randome Mar 2016 #97
Yes, they can ban for any reason -- even not liking someone aikoaiko Mar 2016 #100
They explained very specifically why he was banned. BainsBane Mar 2016 #99
Yes, Earl did explain why. Because of others opinions of WillyTs posts. aikoaiko Mar 2016 #101
You can post in ATA to ask them to clarrify decision. hrmjustin Mar 2016 #107
Yes, I can and could, but Earl doesn't usually respond. aikoaiko Mar 2016 #110
I think it was clear that he was told not to post that kind of stuff and he chose to do it again. hrmjustin Mar 2016 #113
Earl said, and I quote, aikoaiko Mar 2016 #118
If they didn't agree with that assessment, he'd still be here. PeaceNikki Mar 2016 #123
Finish the quote. hrmjustin Mar 2016 #124
And that's why the jury system has been challenged and it looks like changes are coming. JTFrog Mar 2016 #156
Yes I did notice. aikoaiko Mar 2016 #159
"At best highly insensitive and at worst blatantly racist..." PeaceNikki Mar 2016 #120
There were plenty of Bernie supporters that spoke out repeatedly against WillyT's racist tactics Sheepshank Mar 2016 #161
He says WillyT "doubled down" on his silly Stockholm Syndrome theory. cwydro Mar 2016 #136
True, but a randomly sampled set of DUers voted to leave it. aikoaiko Mar 2016 #146
Oh, come off it. Donald Ian Rankin Mar 2016 #145
Wait what? JTFrog Mar 2016 #152
So are you denying what Earl said about Willy? trumad Mar 2016 #139
No, there were indeed some DUers who said he was insensitive and racist. aikoaiko Mar 2016 #143
He was banned for his racist posts. cwydro Mar 2016 #121
This poster is trying to claim that was not the reason, but that others (wrongfully?) make the claim PeaceNikki Mar 2016 #126
I know, and that poster is wrong. cwydro Mar 2016 #128
Amen. It's paranoid a conspiracy theory PeaceNikki Mar 2016 #133
Hmm... I've had an epiphany whatchamacallit Mar 2016 #82
Funny how that works UglyGreed Mar 2016 #102
He should have been banned long ago MaggieD Mar 2016 #135
You Better Believe It!!! n/t JTFrog Mar 2016 #85
K&R Gothmog Mar 2016 #89
It's about time. tammywammy Mar 2016 #91
last Tuesday's post should have done it . . . DrDan Mar 2016 #95
See you after the elections nolabels Mar 2016 #103
I'm finding it incredible that people are leaving after THIS ban. joshcryer Mar 2016 #105
Good riddance to anybody who enables racism. yardwork Mar 2016 #112
Just hope they leave the doors open and the keys on the counter... joshcryer Mar 2016 #122
Guessing only people whose extreme left-wing partisanship Hortensis Mar 2016 #158
About time MaggieD Mar 2016 #111
Post removed Post removed Mar 2016 #119
Lol whatchamacallit Mar 2016 #127
Who? nt onehandle Mar 2016 #140
Jury results edbermac Mar 2016 #141
Seems he found a safe haven for his rhetoric. Not going to link the site welcome ing to his hate.nt. NCTraveler Mar 2016 #142
They can have him. Bobbie Jo Mar 2016 #153
I'm sad it came to that, but he earned it in the end. Renew Deal Mar 2016 #151
...and to those DU jurors who always voted to let his posts stand? wyldwolf Mar 2016 #157

TheBlackAdder

(29,981 posts)
160. Poli-sci classes show AA community being co-opted by white bourgeoisie establishment 130 yrs.
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 01:18 PM
Mar 2016

.


In the pre-WWI days, it was the White Women's Clubs doing most of the co-opting.


The broken deals made during the labor and suffrage movements were the most striking.


.

DemocratSinceBirth

(101,850 posts)
5. The administrators can ban any of us.
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 10:29 AM
Mar 2016

That being said I will miss him. He was an unintentional source of levity. I can see how others felt differently. As a white guy I wasn't the target of his ire.

But it comes down to one thing...When you consistently argue you know better for others than they they know for themselves you are bound to piss those others off, and rightfully so.

JonLeibowitz

(6,282 posts)
10. We all think we know better than others.
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 10:31 AM
Mar 2016

It's called voting in an election rather than letting the result stand unaffected by our vote. Did you just espouse a 0 - 0 = 0 argument there?

Not to excuse WillyT's post of course...

jcgoldie

(12,046 posts)
17. voting in an election is not even remotely the same as...
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 10:33 AM
Mar 2016

Claiming that an entire demographic of people only vote the way they do because they have been somehow brainwashed to screw themselves

JonLeibowitz

(6,282 posts)
25. And I didn't excuse his behavior.
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 10:36 AM
Mar 2016

I actually condemned it prior to his banning. You don't need to lecture me on the differences.

Be that as it may, what DSB posted is incorrect and I stand by my comment.

DemocratSinceBirth

(101,850 posts)
18. He wasn't banned for voting.
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 10:34 AM
Mar 2016

He was banned for suggesting black folk lacked the perspicacity to think for themselves.

DemocratSinceBirth

(101,850 posts)
38. Where is the fallacy ?
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 10:42 AM
Mar 2016

By exercising my franchise I am not suggesting that somebody who exercises his or her franchise lacks the perspicacity to think for themselves.

JonLeibowitz

(6,282 posts)
45. You said
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 10:45 AM
Mar 2016
When you consistently argue you know better for others than they they know for themselves you are bound to piss those others off, and rightfully so.


This is an exceptionally common political sentiment and we express when we vote. Implicit in voting is possibly tilting the vote against what it would be without our vote. And I have no problem with that of course. I was just pointing out the inevitable logical conclusion of your post.

(I should note it is one we use about Republicans voting against their economic interest very often)

jcgoldie

(12,046 posts)
27. perspicacity!
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 10:37 AM
Mar 2016

I'm guessing I'm not the only one heading to dictionary.com. Thanks for helping me learn something today!

DemocratSinceBirth

(101,850 posts)
47. Poor Republicans aren't an integral and indispensable part of our base.
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 10:46 AM
Mar 2016
Democratic Underground is an online community for politically liberal people who understand the importance of working within the system to elect more Democrats and fewer Republicans to all levels of political office.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=termsofservice



Like I said I thought he was funny but it wasn't my proverbial "oxe being gored."

jcgoldie

(12,046 posts)
35. that wasnt a lecture
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 10:41 AM
Mar 2016

Maybe this is... There's a difference between thinking you know better than others and therefore exercising your right to vote and knowing better than others what is best for THEM and so demeaning the choices they make. It is clear that the latter was what is being discussed in the post you responded to with your snark.

JonLeibowitz

(6,282 posts)
40. We mock the entire country for picking wrong in 2000 and 2004 and not seeing through
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 10:43 AM
Mar 2016

Bush's lies. This is typical behavior.

I wasn't posting any snark either.

jcgoldie

(12,046 posts)
51. I agree its a fine line
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 10:49 AM
Mar 2016

I think race charges it in a way that demands more respect given our history. I interpreted the equation of this issue to voting as snark... guess not if you say so.

JonLeibowitz

(6,282 posts)
65. Oh sorry, the equation is one which people use when explaining that voting
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 11:01 AM
Mar 2016

3rd party rather than choosing not to vote for the presidential ticket has no effect. In other words, voting 3rd party isn't a vote for Trump. It's not snark, it's more like an idiom.

kath

(10,565 posts)
90. And we wonder all the time why the poor and lower middle class vote against their self-interest by
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 11:28 AM
Mar 2016

voting Republican, and how crazy it seems for women to vote Repub. Been doing it for decades - 20-30 years ago my mom was telling the Rush Limbaugh-listening guys on the shop floor in the small factory where she worked that the Repubs were NOT on their side.

Jackie Wilson Said

(4,176 posts)
108. So you do think you know better than a group who votes in a different way than you do?
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 12:03 PM
Mar 2016

I know I do when I see lower middle class folks voting for republicans who will not help them, but hurt them.

But that is obvious, clear, undeniable.

JonLeibowitz

(6,282 posts)
134. I mean, don't we all to some extent?
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 12:22 PM
Mar 2016

Of course we expect 1%ers to vote GOP, or at least neolib. But most of the country is worse off economically with the GOP and I'd say everybody but the top 5-10% are better off with a progressive rather than a neolib.

The question gets more dicey when you start talking about racial groups voting differently (of course, economic privilege is a thing -- maybe even in the case of economics discussed above lower income people want a more "fair" but unequal system where they can understand that they are the "losers&quot . I wonder if there is anyone on this board who would respond with an unequivocal "No" across the board to your question. Would their answer differ in November were Trump to win the general?

Jackie Wilson Said

(4,176 posts)
138. Here is the difference.
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 12:27 PM
Mar 2016

If you are a white middle class person, or lower middle class, you can easily judge another person like that for instance the guy in Kansas who votes republican even though doing so causes him or her great harm.

If you are that same white person but decide you are going to judge any minority, whether that be non white, gay, Muslim, etc., you are using one set of life experiences to apply to another that you know nothing about.

JonLeibowitz

(6,282 posts)
144. I think you are exactly right.
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 12:44 PM
Mar 2016

I was trying to speak to something resembling that divide with the economic privilege aside, but one is a small difference and the other a chasm. The racial privilege difference is rather more like a billionaire's kid making judgements based on privilege. And even then it is weak because race is so unique.

I try to keep my privilege in mind, but when you do a lot of reading on neoliberalism and the policies of the Clintons, you must understand it is hard not to come away with a feeling of how others are voting incorrectly. I try not to speak of it, because who am I, but I still think it. Does that make me a bad person? I don't know, but I still think I am right.

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
39. I agree
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 10:42 AM
Mar 2016

He and I had our fun times and our bad moments too. Nobody is all bad. I wish he had just logged off instead of posting that same stuff again. It was hurtful.

SusanCalvin

(6,592 posts)
63. As you say, it was the repetition.
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 11:00 AM
Mar 2016

I had been consciously not clicking on his OPs for some time, until this latest came up.

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
73. I have too but that one was especially for me
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 11:08 AM
Mar 2016

He came and got a hide right before posting that. I think it set him off to see me use the term in my op. I wish he had listened. I asked him to just delete and apologize. Move on.

BeyondGeography

(41,101 posts)
8. So who will pimp Trump's chances in the fall now
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 10:30 AM
Mar 2016

and keep us apprised of the latest Hillary attacks? Pretty much all he did was trash Democrats.

Good riddance.

PeaceNikki

(27,985 posts)
81. You will be able to recognize him by the coy little shruggies at the end of every damn post
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 11:21 AM
Mar 2016

Fla Dem

(27,633 posts)
67. Unfortunately, as in society as a whole, people of this ilk are among us.
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 11:02 AM
Mar 2016

Willy T managed to hide his bigotry in veiled comments and innuendos. It's amazing he survived here for 14 years.

Response to BeyondGeography (Reply #8)

 

morningfog

(18,115 posts)
9. I generally liked him, but he exercised poor judgment and I didn't agree with many of his positions.
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 10:31 AM
Mar 2016

kath

(10,565 posts)
92. Now if only some others who seem to live just to stir the shit here, taking great glee in it, would
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 11:34 AM
Mar 2016

get the Boot...

But will never happen.

Gregorian

(23,867 posts)
20. It's getting clearer and clearer that this division will not heal
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 10:34 AM
Mar 2016

Gloating over a ban. Shameful. He was a valuable member, which you folks obviously didn't appreciate.

sufrommich

(22,871 posts)
24. You should probably lying read Earl's explanation for the ban.
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 10:36 AM
Mar 2016

He was a flame baiting racist.

Jackie Wilson Said

(4,176 posts)
109. Value seems to be in the eye of the beholder.
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 12:05 PM
Mar 2016

As in the person saying Willy was a valuable member.

If reminding us white privilege is alive and well, then I suppose so.

 

Codeine

(25,586 posts)
28. He was a blatantly racist shitstirrer
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 10:38 AM
Mar 2016

and this place is much the better for his banning. One hopes his inevitable sock will not last as long.

DemocratSinceBirth

(101,850 posts)
58. Was he a racist or racialist , or perhaps that's a difference without a distinction?
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 10:54 AM
Mar 2016

I know his paternalism drove our black brothers and sisters on this site to distraction.

 

Codeine

(25,586 posts)
64. I think he got a thrill trolling AA posters.
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 11:00 AM
Mar 2016

There are probably all sorts of hidden psychological depths to plumb with that sort of fellow, but easier to kick them to the curb than worry about the finer points.

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
88. WillyT caused much divisiveness on this board.
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 11:26 AM
Mar 2016

Your post is just too funny.

His banning was long overdue and well-deserved.

 

Codeine

(25,586 posts)
131. What the fuck is valuable about a blatant racist?
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 12:19 PM
Mar 2016

The urge to defend that piece of shit is utterly fucking mystifying. He delighted in antagonizing AA posters.

 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
149. There are plenty of decent Bernie supporters.
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 12:50 PM
Mar 2016

Many of whom also condemned WillyT's blatant racism. He was not a valuable member of this community. He was a shit stirrer, a racist, repeatedly hurtful to especially AA members and harmful to the progressive label. I'm exceptionally glad he is gone.

Watch for the inevitable sock puppets

 

Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)
21. YEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSS! All hail the admins' axe!
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 10:35 AM
Mar 2016

About WillyT
Statistics and Information
Account status:Posting privileges revoked
Member since: 2002
Number of posts: 72,631
Number of posts, last 90 days: 3311
Favorite forum: General Discussion: Primaries, 2787 posts in the last 90 days (84% of total posts)
Favorite group: Bernie Sanders, 314 posts in the last 90 days (9% of total posts)
Last post: Fri Mar 18, 2016, 03:03 PM

In honor of this much desired day, and in remembrance, I say...













Posting Privileges Revoked
Revoked on Reason Revoked by
Mar 18, 2016 Doubled down on his infamous suggestion that black Democrats have Stockholm Syndrome, by posting an article which included the same suggestion (along with comments calling black Democrats "battered wives&quot . The title of his OP was "Thank God I'm Not The Only One" and he bolded the Stockholm Syndrome comments to make sure everyone knew exactly what he was talking about. The first time he did this it was repeatedly explained to him by many members of this community that his comments were at best highly insensitive and at worst blatantly racist. Rather than learning from that experience he chose to double down.

 

KittyWampus

(55,894 posts)
55. Yes, to your infinite credit you did. I appreciate all the DU'ers with integrity
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 10:50 AM
Mar 2016

who didn't roll with that noise.

 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
137. To your credit, and although we agree on nothing..good
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 12:25 PM
Mar 2016

fucking riddance to a racist piece of shit.

Jackie Wilson Said

(4,176 posts)
114. I worry about all this attention to just this one poster. Willy has many like him here
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 12:08 PM
Mar 2016

who are just not as bold when it comes to saying stuff.

I fear, sincerely, MANY Bernie supporters who will seek to punish POC and vote for Trump or not at all, to get back at them for not voting for Bernie.

 

hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)
117. Remember that most Sanders supporters will back the nominee.
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 12:11 PM
Mar 2016

DU is not representative of Sanders supporters in real life. I know plenty of Sanders supporter and they have no hatred of HRC.

Remember we have a lot of green party voters here who post here and they were never going to vote for Hillary.

Jackie Wilson Said

(4,176 posts)
130. I know all that, but I will tell you that I am hearing elsewhere a great deal of
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 12:19 PM
Mar 2016

anger by the Bernie people about the likelihood he wont be the nominee, but I hope you are right.

I will be interested to see exit polling done on Bernie supporters in the GE to see what they did.

I keep saying "they", I am a Bernie supporter, but very turned off by many of them.

One quick story, a close friend who is very liberal says he will vote Trump over Clinton, but was a Bernie supporter.

He says he read the book Trump's lawyer wrote and now believes Trump is a great guy. My friend is an educated and very liberal person, I screamed at him but he isnt hearing it.

Tarc

(10,601 posts)
29. It is a shame that that energy could not have been focused on Trump, the real enemy of all of us
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 10:38 AM
Mar 2016

But, some have just gotten far, far too carried away this primary season

iandhr

(6,852 posts)
48. The real enemy isn't the Romans.
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 10:47 AM
Mar 2016

Last edited Fri Mar 18, 2016, 12:18 PM - Edit history (2)

It's Judean People's Front. And the Popular Front, and the Campaign for a Free Galilee. Not the Romans. Fighting the SPLITTERS is more important. #peoplesfrontofjudea





Bonobo

(29,257 posts)
32. He asked for it and he deserved it.
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 10:40 AM
Mar 2016

There is such a thing as too much shit-stirring.

The mere fact that he hurt feelings and did not stop doing so was enough to show him the door.

salinsky

(1,065 posts)
37. Is he one of those Bernie supporters who will switch to Trump ...
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 10:42 AM
Mar 2016

... should Hillary get the nomination?

Oh, well.

There's always a place for him at Stormfront.

 

Amimnoch

(4,558 posts)
41. I won't grave dance.
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 10:43 AM
Mar 2016

I wouldn't like it if the ban hammer came down on you or one of my other fellow long time Hillary Supporters.

You are your own person. You are entitled to your own opinion.

I for one will take Skinner's message of reconciliation to heart and not join you in this dance.

I've been part of the opposition posts in a number of Willy's posts, I can't argue with EarlG's reasons. For the obnoxious things that some of Willy's posts had in them, I don't question that Willy is, at heart a Liberal and progressive.. and justified or not I just can't find joy in the silencing of a liberal or progressive voice (even if some of the things that voice said made me occasionally want to punch my computer screen LOL).

DemocratSinceBirth

(101,850 posts)
60. I do
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 10:58 AM
Mar 2016
I don't question that Willy is, at heart a Liberal and progressive


Celebrating diversity is a liberal/progressive value and, at least here, he exhibited a paucity of it.

MineralMan

(151,268 posts)
42. You can only test the limits for so long.
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 10:44 AM
Mar 2016

Eventually, you discover what those limits actually are.

Apparently that DUer now knows the limits. Too bad. It's so easy to participate on DU without pushing any limits at all and still make your points clearly and effectively.

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yardwork

(69,364 posts)
147. That's not what I said, but enabling racism IS sickening.
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 12:44 PM
Mar 2016

Since few of the people who recced the thread that got him banned bothered to post in the thread, I have no idea why they RECOMMENDED a piece of vile racism, but asking what they meant is a fair question, I think.

kdmorris

(5,649 posts)
148. You didn't say ask them
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 12:48 PM
Mar 2016

You responded to someone getting banned with "what about the others"...implication being that they should be banned, also.

ibegurpard

(17,081 posts)
52. Too bad he couldn't see
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 10:49 AM
Mar 2016

His distasteful and counter-productive racial paternalism. He was dogged in presenting viewpoints about the direction of the Democratic Party that many need to see and yet refuse to acknowkedge.

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
53. The infamous Stockholm Syndrome post
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 10:49 AM
Mar 2016

was blatant racism.

It was sad that a person could post insulting hate speech like that and get away with it on a liberal democratic board for so long.

joshcryer

(62,536 posts)
54. Props to all the users who kept that original thread kicked.
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 10:50 AM
Mar 2016

And who stood fast against this bullshit.

 

Codeine

(25,586 posts)
66. Being one of the 67 people who recced his last
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 11:02 AM
Mar 2016

Stockholm Syndrome missive reflects far more poorly upon DU than a little well-earned Schadenfreude at the banhammering of a filthy shitfucker like WillyT.

Lucinda

(31,170 posts)
75. I don't think it's gloating to say that we stand by the AA men and women of this board and will not
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 11:09 AM
Mar 2016

accept posters who willfully, repeatedly, insult them.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
61. Love for the LGBQT community.
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 10:59 AM
Mar 2016

While WillyT was a blatant racist, we must recognize his bigotry was just as bad. He had a history of bigoted comments. Not just one here and one there. It's who he is.



 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
77. past greats, past baits:
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 11:14 AM
Mar 2016

Apparently, If One Voted For Reagan, They Were Anti-Gay...
Really ???

REALLY ???

So it had nothing to do with money/taxes/RW Philosophy ???

I got some info for ya... They we're called Reagan Democrats...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026231263

I told him off and got attacked for it by him, then attacked by Hillary supporters because of him.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/128093910#post2

aikoaiko

(34,214 posts)
80. A necessary ban to help make DU look HRC supportive during the primaries.
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 11:20 AM
Mar 2016


Let's see the purge list so far:

NYC-SKP
MannyGoldstein
Loonix
WillyT

PeaceNikki

(27,985 posts)
83. Or at least a little less racist and homophobic.
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 11:22 AM
Mar 2016

Protip: don't be a racist homophobic asshole then double down on that and you probably won't be PPR'd

PeaceNikki

(27,985 posts)
86. WillyT's banning was earned. He wasn't banned for supporting Sanders.
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 11:26 AM
Mar 2016
Doubled down on his infamous suggestion that black Democrats have Stockholm Syndrome, by posting an article which included the same suggestion (along with comments calling black Democrats "battered wives&quot . The title of his OP was "Thank God I'm Not The Only One" and he bolded the Stockholm Syndrome comments to make sure everyone knew exactly what he was talking about. The first time he did this it was repeatedly explained to him by many members of this community that his comments were at best highly insensitive and at worst blatantly racist. Rather than learning from that experience he chose to double down.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=profile&uid=109627&sub=trans

aikoaiko

(34,214 posts)
93. What is interesting is that Earl doesn't say WillyT is racist or even insensitive.
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 11:37 AM
Mar 2016

Only that others thought so. Maybe Earl will be direct and say that he banned WillyT because he assessed him to racist.

The list of the recently purged long-term members may have transgressed in some way, but those transgressions aren't sufficient for banning unless coupled with an anti-HRC position, apparently.



PeaceNikki

(27,985 posts)
98. I know, it seems very important to you to defend racist and homophobic posts.
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 11:43 AM
Mar 2016

Thankfully EarlG has shown that there's a line which cannot be crossed without repercussions.

aikoaiko

(34,214 posts)
104. I didn't defend the post. And the line appears to be transgression plus anti-HRC opinion.
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 11:59 AM
Mar 2016


eta:
Earl says that the members of DU have complained about Willy's posts for being inappropriate and therefore are banned.

On the other hand, the 5-hide rule has been suspended because too many randomly sampled DU members found HRC or Bernie-haters' posts inappropriate, rude, disruptive or over-the-top and they needed to bolster the pro-HRC, anti-Bernie views.


 

randome

(34,845 posts)
97. It's their site. They can ban anyone they want to.
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 11:43 AM
Mar 2016

They're guided by what the community thinks. And the broad consensus was that WillyT's posts were racist. You may as well accept the fact that enough people thought that.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]The truth doesn’t always set you free.
Sometimes it builds a bigger cage around the one you’re already in.
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aikoaiko

(34,214 posts)
110. Yes, I can and could, but Earl doesn't usually respond.
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 12:06 PM
Mar 2016

I think the implication is clear, too, but I bet we disagree on what that is.

We've seen this type of purging before when it begins to get emotional.

 

hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)
113. I think it was clear that he was told not to post that kind of stuff and he chose to do it again.
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 12:07 PM
Mar 2016

Earlg said no more.

aikoaiko

(34,214 posts)
118. Earl said, and I quote,
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 12:11 PM
Mar 2016

"The first time he did this it was repeatedly explained to him by many members of this community that his comments were at best highly insensitive and at worst blatantly racist."

Is that all it takes to be banned -- to be told by DU members to not post something again?

I have no doubt that what Early wrote is true, but the post was juried by a randomly selected set of DU members and survived.

PeaceNikki

(27,985 posts)
123. If they didn't agree with that assessment, he'd still be here.
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 12:14 PM
Mar 2016

Do you think it's an accurate portrayal of the "Stockhom posts"?

I sure do.

 

hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)
124. Finish the quote.
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 12:15 PM
Mar 2016

"The first time he did this it was repeatedly explained to him by many members of this community that his comments were at best highly insensitive and at worst blatantly racist. Rather than learning from that experience he chose to double down."


Yes willy was told by members how bigoted his Stockholm syndrome thread was and he doubled down last night. Earlg felt it rose to the level of banning because he did the same thing and learned no lessons. I have no idea why this is not clear to you.

 

JTFrog

(14,274 posts)
156. And that's why the jury system has been challenged and it looks like changes are coming.
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 12:57 PM
Mar 2016

Or hadn't you noticed the admins comments on that? A bunch of trolls in a Lord of the Flies environment will not hide shit like that. One of the best things about the Democratic party is how they work to give minorities a voice. For the last few years, minority voices have been drowned out, beaten down and outrighted silenced here.

Fuck that noise.

aikoaiko

(34,214 posts)
159. Yes I did notice.
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 01:14 PM
Mar 2016

And I think their recent changes had more to do with politics and support for politicians than support for minority membership.

Yes minorities whether they be based on membership associated with politician, race, gender, sexual-orientation, etc have always been at a disadvantage with the jury system.

PeaceNikki

(27,985 posts)
120. "At best highly insensitive and at worst blatantly racist..."
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 12:13 PM
Mar 2016

Do you agree with that assesment of the "stockholm posts"? Admins clearly do. If they didn't agree, he'd still be here.

 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
161. There were plenty of Bernie supporters that spoke out repeatedly against WillyT's racist tactics
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 01:24 PM
Mar 2016

Some Bernie supporters even acknowledging it was well deserved that the ban hammer finally came down. Just look up thread. It's there for all to see.

Apparently you are not one of them that felt this was deserved, and instead have much love for Willy and his abuse of the system that allowed him to speak so cruelly and with such disdain regarding the AA community.

But I must say, your inaccurate portrayal that this banning had everything to do with the candidate he supported is patently false. WillyT was a nasty piece of work and earned the banning he so consistently played coy with.

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
136. He says WillyT "doubled down" on his silly Stockholm Syndrome theory.
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 12:23 PM
Mar 2016

Earl G didn't have to spell it out; it's clearly a racist meme.

aikoaiko

(34,214 posts)
146. True, but a randomly sampled set of DUers voted to leave it.
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 12:44 PM
Mar 2016

A system they have said, until recently, was producing mostly correct results.

Donald Ian Rankin

(13,598 posts)
145. Oh, come off it.
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 12:44 PM
Mar 2016
"Doubled down on his infamous suggestion that black Democrats have Stockholm Syndrome, by posting an article which included the same suggestion (along with comments calling black Democrats "battered wives&quot . The title of his OP was "Thank God I'm Not The Only One" and he bolded the Stockholm Syndrome comments to make sure everyone knew exactly what he was talking about. The first time he did this it was repeatedly explained to him by many members of this community that his comments were at best highly insensitive and at worst blatantly racist. Rather than learning from that experience he chose to double down."


Are you seriously suggesting that this leaves any doubt whatsoever that, in the view of the admin who banned him, WillyT's comments were "at best highly insensitive and at worst blatantly racist."?

I don't think anyone who wasn't being actively intellectually dishonest could possibly claim that the intent was to convey that those were just the opinions of other people, and not of the author too.
 

JTFrog

(14,274 posts)
152. Wait what?
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 12:54 PM
Mar 2016
Doubled down on his infamous suggestion that black Democrats have Stockholm Syndrome, by posting an article which included the same suggestion (along with comments calling black Democrats "battered wives&quot . The title of his OP was "Thank God I'm Not The Only One" and he bolded the Stockholm Syndrome comments to make sure everyone knew exactly what he was talking about. The first time he did this it was repeatedly explained to him by many members of this community that his comments were at best highly insensitive and at worst blatantly racist. Rather than learning from that experience he chose to double down.


I think it's quite clear why he was banned.

aikoaiko

(34,214 posts)
143. No, there were indeed some DUers who said he was insensitive and racist.
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 12:41 PM
Mar 2016

And he subsequently posted an article where someone agreed with him.

PeaceNikki

(27,985 posts)
126. This poster is trying to claim that was not the reason, but that others (wrongfully?) make the claim
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 12:16 PM
Mar 2016

and that EarlG banned him because Willy hates Hillary.

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
128. I know, and that poster is wrong.
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 12:18 PM
Mar 2016

There are plenty of Bernie supporters here still.

There's no purge beginning, as we all know.

I like most of the Bernie supporters on this board; there's just a small percentage that try to push things too far.

Willy T was a complete shit-stirrer.

PeaceNikki

(27,985 posts)
133. Amen. It's paranoid a conspiracy theory
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 12:21 PM
Mar 2016

The denial is fomenting mistrust of harassment victims in a sick attempt to absolve the left from any responsibility for its failings and pretends that ideologies inoculate them from engaging in harm.

The victim-blaming is off the charts. Why is it so hard for Sanders supporters to accept that there are problematic people among them?

whatchamacallit

(15,558 posts)
82. Hmm... I've had an epiphany
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 11:22 AM
Mar 2016

about the admins' confusing decision to remove the moderate, nonpermanent, remedy to bad behavior (time outs) at the height of forum discord...

Let the purge commence!

Just an observation. Please don't misconstrue this as a defense of Willy T's posts or a protest of his banning.

 

MaggieD

(7,393 posts)
135. He should have been banned long ago
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 12:23 PM
Mar 2016

He helped make racism and bigotry acceptable here. I look forward to the rehabilitation of DU.

joshcryer

(62,536 posts)
105. I'm finding it incredible that people are leaving after THIS ban.
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 12:00 PM
Mar 2016

Manny, I could understand, he was sometimes funny, sometimes even correct, but what the hell.

joshcryer

(62,536 posts)
122. Just hope they leave the doors open and the keys on the counter...
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 12:14 PM
Mar 2016

...to the Sanders group. In recent polls here at least half of DU's 80-90% Sanders supporters will support Clinton.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
158. Guessing only people whose extreme left-wing partisanship
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 01:06 PM
Mar 2016

causes them to resent and villify everyone who doesn't support Bernie would leave. And, of course, some with...problematic social conservative attitudes. IMO, it'll be a helpful and unifying sifting out if it happened.

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edbermac

(16,449 posts)
141. Jury results
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 12:37 PM
Mar 2016

AUTOMATED MESSAGE: Results of your Jury Service
On Fri Mar 18, 2016, 11:25 AM an alert was sent on the following post:

Every single racist mofo who rec'd that thread should be banned. nt
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1524020

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Publicly calling for the banning of other DUers has always been treated as a personal attack, and rightly so.

JURY RESULTS

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Fri Mar 18, 2016, 11:34 AM, and the Jury voted 4-3 to HIDE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Meh. The thread was an intentional attack on our black community. People are upset, and rightly so.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: It doesn't seem any worse than a lot of other posts on this thread. If this one should be hidden then so should a lot of others.
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: I agree. It's pretty fascist in spirit IMHO
Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: The thread is gone. The person who posted it has been banned. Let it go. Stop calling other DUers "racist mofo"s.

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.
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NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
142. Seems he found a safe haven for his rhetoric. Not going to link the site welcome ing to his hate.nt.
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 12:39 PM
Mar 2016
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