2016 Postmortem
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(13,045 posts)TheBlackAdder
(29,981 posts).
In the pre-WWI days, it was the White Women's Clubs doing most of the co-opting.
The broken deals made during the labor and suffrage movements were the most striking.
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NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)PeaceNikki
(27,985 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)
hootinholler
(26,451 posts)Strange times around this place.
artislife
(9,497 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(101,850 posts)That being said I will miss him. He was an unintentional source of levity. I can see how others felt differently. As a white guy I wasn't the target of his ire.
But it comes down to one thing...When you consistently argue you know better for others than they they know for themselves you are bound to piss those others off, and rightfully so.
JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)It's called voting in an election rather than letting the result stand unaffected by our vote. Did you just espouse a 0 - 0 = 0 argument there?
Not to excuse WillyT's post of course...
jcgoldie
(12,046 posts)Claiming that an entire demographic of people only vote the way they do because they have been somehow brainwashed to screw themselves
JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)I actually condemned it prior to his banning. You don't need to lecture me on the differences.
Be that as it may, what DSB posted is incorrect and I stand by my comment.
DemocratSinceBirth
(101,850 posts)He was banned for suggesting black folk lacked the perspicacity to think for themselves.
JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(101,850 posts)By exercising my franchise I am not suggesting that somebody who exercises his or her franchise lacks the perspicacity to think for themselves.
JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)This is an exceptionally common political sentiment and we express when we vote. Implicit in voting is possibly tilting the vote against what it would be without our vote. And I have no problem with that of course. I was just pointing out the inevitable logical conclusion of your post.
(I should note it is one we use about Republicans voting against their economic interest very often)
jcgoldie
(12,046 posts)I'm guessing I'm not the only one heading to dictionary.com. Thanks for helping me learn something today!
Loudestlib
(980 posts)JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(101,850 posts)http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=termsofservice
Like I said I thought he was funny but it wasn't my proverbial "oxe being gored."
jcgoldie
(12,046 posts)Maybe this is... There's a difference between thinking you know better than others and therefore exercising your right to vote and knowing better than others what is best for THEM and so demeaning the choices they make. It is clear that the latter was what is being discussed in the post you responded to with your snark.
JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)Bush's lies. This is typical behavior.
I wasn't posting any snark either.
jcgoldie
(12,046 posts)I think race charges it in a way that demands more respect given our history. I interpreted the equation of this issue to voting as snark... guess not if you say so.
JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)3rd party rather than choosing not to vote for the presidential ticket has no effect. In other words, voting 3rd party isn't a vote for Trump. It's not snark, it's more like an idiom.
kath
(10,565 posts)voting Republican, and how crazy it seems for women to vote Repub. Been doing it for decades - 20-30 years ago my mom was telling the Rush Limbaugh-listening guys on the shop floor in the small factory where she worked that the Repubs were NOT on their side.
Jackie Wilson Said
(4,176 posts)I know I do when I see lower middle class folks voting for republicans who will not help them, but hurt them.
But that is obvious, clear, undeniable.
JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)Of course we expect 1%ers to vote GOP, or at least neolib. But most of the country is worse off economically with the GOP and I'd say everybody but the top 5-10% are better off with a progressive rather than a neolib.
The question gets more dicey when you start talking about racial groups voting differently (of course, economic privilege is a thing -- maybe even in the case of economics discussed above lower income people want a more "fair" but unequal system where they can understand that they are the "losers"
. I wonder if there is anyone on this board who would respond with an unequivocal "No" across the board to your question. Would their answer differ in November were Trump to win the general?
Jackie Wilson Said
(4,176 posts)If you are a white middle class person, or lower middle class, you can easily judge another person like that for instance the guy in Kansas who votes republican even though doing so causes him or her great harm.
If you are that same white person but decide you are going to judge any minority, whether that be non white, gay, Muslim, etc., you are using one set of life experiences to apply to another that you know nothing about.
JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)I was trying to speak to something resembling that divide with the economic privilege aside, but one is a small difference and the other a chasm. The racial privilege difference is rather more like a billionaire's kid making judgements based on privilege. And even then it is weak because race is so unique.
I try to keep my privilege in mind, but when you do a lot of reading on neoliberalism and the policies of the Clintons, you must understand it is hard not to come away with a feeling of how others are voting incorrectly. I try not to speak of it, because who am I, but I still think it. Does that make me a bad person? I don't know, but I still think I am right.
NWCorona
(8,541 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)He and I had our fun times and our bad moments too. Nobody is all bad. I wish he had just logged off instead of posting that same stuff again. It was hurtful.
SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)I had been consciously not clicking on his OPs for some time, until this latest came up.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)He came and got a hide right before posting that. I think it set him off to see me use the term in my op. I wish he had listened. I asked him to just delete and apologize. Move on.
Codeine
(25,586 posts)He chose to die storming Dogwhistle Beach; may he long be remembered!
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)SidDithers
(44,333 posts)Sid
BeyondGeography
(41,101 posts)and keep us apprised of the latest Hillary attacks? Pretty much all he did was trash Democrats.
Good riddance.
sufrommich
(22,871 posts)jazzwinders
(103 posts)PeaceNikki
(27,985 posts)DURHAM D
(33,054 posts)Fla Dem
(27,633 posts)Willy T managed to hide his bigotry in veiled comments and innuendos. It's amazing he survived here for 14 years.
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morningfog
(18,115 posts)DCBob
(24,689 posts)RIP
kath
(10,565 posts)get the Boot...
But will never happen.
Dr Hobbitstein
(6,568 posts)Another racist, sexist poster gone.
quickesst
(6,309 posts).... I was going to use.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)
pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)Gregorian
(23,867 posts)Gloating over a ban. Shameful. He was a valuable member, which you folks obviously didn't appreciate.
sufrommich
(22,871 posts)He was a flame baiting racist.
Jackie Wilson Said
(4,176 posts)As in the person saying Willy was a valuable member.
If reminding us white privilege is alive and well, then I suppose so.
Codeine
(25,586 posts)and this place is much the better for his banning. One hopes his inevitable sock will not last as long.
DemocratSinceBirth
(101,850 posts)I know his paternalism drove our black brothers and sisters on this site to distraction.
Codeine
(25,586 posts)There are probably all sorts of hidden psychological depths to plumb with that sort of fellow, but easier to kick them to the curb than worry about the finer points.
leftofcool
(19,460 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)cwydro
(51,308 posts)Your post is just too funny.
His banning was long overdue and well-deserved.
Codeine
(25,586 posts)The urge to defend that piece of shit is utterly fucking mystifying. He delighted in antagonizing AA posters.
Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)Many of whom also condemned WillyT's blatant racism. He was not a valuable member of this community. He was a shit stirrer, a racist, repeatedly hurtful to especially AA members and harmful to the progressive label. I'm exceptionally glad he is gone.
Watch for the inevitable sock puppets
Surya Gayatri
(15,445 posts)About WillyT
Statistics and Information
Account status:Posting privileges revoked
Member since: 2002
Number of posts: 72,631
Number of posts, last 90 days: 3311
Favorite forum: General Discussion: Primaries, 2787 posts in the last 90 days (84% of total posts)
Favorite group: Bernie Sanders, 314 posts in the last 90 days (9% of total posts)
Last post: Fri Mar 18, 2016, 03:03 PM
In honor of this much desired day, and in remembrance, I say...
Posting Privileges Revoked
Revoked on Reason Revoked by
Mar 18, 2016 Doubled down on his infamous suggestion that black Democrats have Stockholm Syndrome, by posting an article which included the same suggestion (along with comments calling black Democrats "battered wives"
. The title of his OP was "Thank God I'm Not The Only One" and he bolded the Stockholm Syndrome comments to make sure everyone knew exactly what he was talking about. The first time he did this it was repeatedly explained to him by many members of this community that his comments were at best highly insensitive and at worst blatantly racist. Rather than learning from that experience he chose to double down.
Lucinda
(31,170 posts)hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)who didn't roll with that noise.
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)fucking riddance to a racist piece of shit.
Jackie Wilson Said
(4,176 posts)who are just not as bold when it comes to saying stuff.
I fear, sincerely, MANY Bernie supporters who will seek to punish POC and vote for Trump or not at all, to get back at them for not voting for Bernie.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)DU is not representative of Sanders supporters in real life. I know plenty of Sanders supporter and they have no hatred of HRC.
Remember we have a lot of green party voters here who post here and they were never going to vote for Hillary.
Jackie Wilson Said
(4,176 posts)anger by the Bernie people about the likelihood he wont be the nominee, but I hope you are right.
I will be interested to see exit polling done on Bernie supporters in the GE to see what they did.
I keep saying "they", I am a Bernie supporter, but very turned off by many of them.
One quick story, a close friend who is very liberal says he will vote Trump over Clinton, but was a Bernie supporter.
He says he read the book Trump's lawyer wrote and now believes Trump is a great guy. My friend is an educated and very liberal person, I screamed at him but he isnt hearing it.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)That is scary.
Tarc
(10,601 posts)But, some have just gotten far, far too carried away this primary season
iandhr
(6,852 posts)Last edited Fri Mar 18, 2016, 12:18 PM - Edit history (2)
It's Judean People's Front. And the Popular Front, and the Campaign for a Free Galilee. Not the Romans. Fighting the SPLITTERS is more important. #peoplesfrontofjudea
Jackie Wilson Said
(4,176 posts)Bonobo
(29,257 posts)There is such a thing as too much shit-stirring.
The mere fact that he hurt feelings and did not stop doing so was enough to show him the door.
iandhr
(6,852 posts)alcibiades_mystery
(36,437 posts)salinsky
(1,065 posts)... should Hillary get the nomination?
Oh, well.
There's always a place for him at Stormfront.
yardwork
(69,364 posts)MoonRiver
(36,975 posts)They certainly can't say so on DU.
Amimnoch
(4,558 posts)I wouldn't like it if the ban hammer came down on you or one of my other fellow long time Hillary Supporters.
You are your own person. You are entitled to your own opinion.
I for one will take Skinner's message of reconciliation to heart and not join you in this dance.
I've been part of the opposition posts in a number of Willy's posts, I can't argue with EarlG's reasons. For the obnoxious things that some of Willy's posts had in them, I don't question that Willy is, at heart a Liberal and progressive.. and justified or not I just can't find joy in the silencing of a liberal or progressive voice (even if some of the things that voice said made me occasionally want to punch my computer screen LOL).
DemocratSinceBirth
(101,850 posts)Celebrating diversity is a liberal/progressive value and, at least here, he exhibited a paucity of it.
MineralMan
(151,268 posts)Eventually, you discover what those limits actually are.
Apparently that DUer now knows the limits. Too bad. It's so easy to participate on DU without pushing any limits at all and still make your points clearly and effectively.
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bigtree
(94,261 posts)kdmorris
(5,649 posts)That's sickening
yardwork
(69,364 posts)Since few of the people who recced the thread that got him banned bothered to post in the thread, I have no idea why they RECOMMENDED a piece of vile racism, but asking what they meant is a fair question, I think.
kdmorris
(5,649 posts)You responded to someone getting banned with "what about the others"...implication being that they should be banned, also.
MaggieD
(7,393 posts)That stuff made this place stink like a cesspool.
morningfog
(18,115 posts)ibegurpard
(17,081 posts)His distasteful and counter-productive racial paternalism. He was dogged in presenting viewpoints about the direction of the Democratic Party that many need to see and yet refuse to acknowkedge.
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)was blatant racism.
It was sad that a person could post insulting hate speech like that and get away with it on a liberal democratic board for so long.
joshcryer
(62,536 posts)And who stood fast against this bullshit.
Orsino
(37,428 posts)Codeine
(25,586 posts)Stockholm Syndrome missive reflects far more poorly upon DU than a little well-earned Schadenfreude at the banhammering of a filthy shitfucker like WillyT.
Orsino
(37,428 posts)Codeine
(25,586 posts)alcibiades_mystery
(36,437 posts)I can't believe the recs on that. Jay-sus.
Lucinda
(31,170 posts)accept posters who willfully, repeatedly, insult them.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)While WillyT was a blatant racist, we must recognize his bigotry was just as bad. He had a history of bigoted comments. Not just one here and one there. It's who he is.
MaggieD
(7,393 posts)Bobbie Jo
(14,344 posts)Thank you, EarlG.
alcibiades_mystery
(36,437 posts)What a disgrace.
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)Apparently, If One Voted For Reagan, They Were Anti-Gay...
Really ???
REALLY ???
So it had nothing to do with money/taxes/RW Philosophy ???
I got some info for ya... They we're called Reagan Democrats...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026231263
I told him off and got attacked for it by him, then attacked by Hillary supporters because of him.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/128093910#post2
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)I did see the first one.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026231263#post92
aikoaiko
(34,214 posts)Let's see the purge list so far:
NYC-SKP
MannyGoldstein
Loonix
WillyT
PeaceNikki
(27,985 posts)Protip: don't be a racist homophobic asshole then double down on that and you probably won't be PPR'd
aikoaiko
(34,214 posts)PeaceNikki
(27,985 posts)http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=profile&uid=109627&sub=trans
aikoaiko
(34,214 posts)Only that others thought so. Maybe Earl will be direct and say that he banned WillyT because he assessed him to racist.
The list of the recently purged long-term members may have transgressed in some way, but those transgressions aren't sufficient for banning unless coupled with an anti-HRC position, apparently.
PeaceNikki
(27,985 posts)aikoaiko
(34,214 posts)PeaceNikki
(27,985 posts)Thankfully EarlG has shown that there's a line which cannot be crossed without repercussions.
aikoaiko
(34,214 posts)eta:
Earl says that the members of DU have complained about Willy's posts for being inappropriate and therefore are banned.
On the other hand, the 5-hide rule has been suspended because too many randomly sampled DU members found HRC or Bernie-haters' posts inappropriate, rude, disruptive or over-the-top and they needed to bolster the pro-HRC, anti-Bernie views.
randome
(34,845 posts)They're guided by what the community thinks. And the broad consensus was that WillyT's posts were racist. You may as well accept the fact that enough people thought that.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]The truth doesnt always set you free.
Sometimes it builds a bigger cage around the one youre already in.[/center][/font][hr]
aikoaiko
(34,214 posts)BainsBane
(57,757 posts)aikoaiko
(34,214 posts)hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)I think it was clear.
aikoaiko
(34,214 posts)I think the implication is clear, too, but I bet we disagree on what that is.
We've seen this type of purging before when it begins to get emotional.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)Earlg said no more.
aikoaiko
(34,214 posts)"The first time he did this it was repeatedly explained to him by many members of this community that his comments were at best highly insensitive and at worst blatantly racist."
Is that all it takes to be banned -- to be told by DU members to not post something again?
I have no doubt that what Early wrote is true, but the post was juried by a randomly selected set of DU members and survived.
PeaceNikki
(27,985 posts)Do you think it's an accurate portrayal of the "Stockhom posts"?
I sure do.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)"The first time he did this it was repeatedly explained to him by many members of this community that his comments were at best highly insensitive and at worst blatantly racist. Rather than learning from that experience he chose to double down."
Yes willy was told by members how bigoted his Stockholm syndrome thread was and he doubled down last night. Earlg felt it rose to the level of banning because he did the same thing and learned no lessons. I have no idea why this is not clear to you.
JTFrog
(14,274 posts)Or hadn't you noticed the admins comments on that? A bunch of trolls in a Lord of the Flies environment will not hide shit like that. One of the best things about the Democratic party is how they work to give minorities a voice. For the last few years, minority voices have been drowned out, beaten down and outrighted silenced here.
Fuck that noise.
aikoaiko
(34,214 posts)And I think their recent changes had more to do with politics and support for politicians than support for minority membership.
Yes minorities whether they be based on membership associated with politician, race, gender, sexual-orientation, etc have always been at a disadvantage with the jury system.
PeaceNikki
(27,985 posts)Do you agree with that assesment of the "stockholm posts"? Admins clearly do. If they didn't agree, he'd still be here.
Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)Some Bernie supporters even acknowledging it was well deserved that the ban hammer finally came down. Just look up thread. It's there for all to see.
Apparently you are not one of them that felt this was deserved, and instead have much love for Willy and his abuse of the system that allowed him to speak so cruelly and with such disdain regarding the AA community.
But I must say, your inaccurate portrayal that this banning had everything to do with the candidate he supported is patently false. WillyT was a nasty piece of work and earned the banning he so consistently played coy with.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)Earl G didn't have to spell it out; it's clearly a racist meme.
aikoaiko
(34,214 posts)A system they have said, until recently, was producing mostly correct results.
Donald Ian Rankin
(13,598 posts)Are you seriously suggesting that this leaves any doubt whatsoever that, in the view of the admin who banned him, WillyT's comments were "at best highly insensitive and at worst blatantly racist."?
I don't think anyone who wasn't being actively intellectually dishonest could possibly claim that the intent was to convey that those were just the opinions of other people, and not of the author too.
JTFrog
(14,274 posts)I think it's quite clear why he was banned.
trumad
(41,692 posts)aikoaiko
(34,214 posts)And he subsequently posted an article where someone agreed with him.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)Long overdue.
PeaceNikki
(27,985 posts)and that EarlG banned him because Willy hates Hillary.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)There are plenty of Bernie supporters here still.
There's no purge beginning, as we all know.
I like most of the Bernie supporters on this board; there's just a small percentage that try to push things too far.
Willy T was a complete shit-stirrer.
PeaceNikki
(27,985 posts)The denial is fomenting mistrust of harassment victims in a sick attempt to absolve the left from any responsibility for its failings and pretends that ideologies inoculate them from engaging in harm.
The victim-blaming is off the charts. Why is it so hard for Sanders supporters to accept that there are problematic people among them?
whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)about the admins' confusing decision to remove the moderate, nonpermanent, remedy to bad behavior (time outs) at the height of forum discord...
Let the purge commence!
Just an observation. Please don't misconstrue this as a defense of Willy T's posts or a protest of his banning.
UglyGreed
(7,661 posts)MaggieD
(7,393 posts)He helped make racism and bigotry acceptable here. I look forward to the rehabilitation of DU.
JTFrog
(14,274 posts)Gothmog
(179,847 posts)tammywammy
(26,582 posts)DrDan
(20,411 posts)beyond the pale
nolabels
(13,133 posts)joshcryer
(62,536 posts)Manny, I could understand, he was sometimes funny, sometimes even correct, but what the hell.
yardwork
(69,364 posts)This white woman has had enough.
joshcryer
(62,536 posts)...to the Sanders group. In recent polls here at least half of DU's 80-90% Sanders supporters will support Clinton.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)causes them to resent and villify everyone who doesn't support Bernie would leave. And, of course, some with...problematic social conservative attitudes. IMO, it'll be a helpful and unifying sifting out if it happened.
MaggieD
(7,393 posts)thank you, admins.
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whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)onehandle
(51,122 posts)edbermac
(16,449 posts)AUTOMATED MESSAGE: Results of your Jury Service
On Fri Mar 18, 2016, 11:25 AM an alert was sent on the following post:
Every single racist mofo who rec'd that thread should be banned. nt
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1524020
REASON FOR ALERT
This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.
ALERTER'S COMMENTS
Publicly calling for the banning of other DUers has always been treated as a personal attack, and rightly so.
JURY RESULTS
You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Fri Mar 18, 2016, 11:34 AM, and the Jury voted 4-3 to HIDE IT.
Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Meh. The thread was an intentional attack on our black community. People are upset, and rightly so.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: It doesn't seem any worse than a lot of other posts on this thread. If this one should be hidden then so should a lot of others.
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Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: I agree. It's pretty fascist in spirit IMHO
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Explanation: The thread is gone. The person who posted it has been banned. Let it go. Stop calling other DUers "racist mofo"s.
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