I can't wait until Wall Street hating CT, NY and NJ vote and blow Clinton out of the water!!

[hill2016]

Sanders' message must really resonate there!!!

Oh wait...

[merrily]

1. Thank heaven Wall Street loving NJ picked Corzine over asshat Christie!

Oh, wait....

[JaneyVee]

3. Didnt Tad Devine work for Corzine?

Oh yeah, he did.

[alcibiades_mystery]

4. ...

[merrily]

7. Maybe only for a certain age group, though.

[merrily]

5. Hugely irrelevant and meaningless.

[CalvinballPro]

14. I'm curious, but not enough to Google: Has Tad Devine ever won a campaign in America? n/t

[still_one]

31. He was on the campaigns for Dukakis, Gore, and Kerry.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tad_Devine

"Devine is considered one of the leading experts on the Democratic Party's presidential nominating process[5] and general election strategy.[6] In 1980, he worked on President Jimmy Carter's reelection campaign as a delegate tracker.[7] He went on to serve as Deputy Director of Delegate Selection in the nomination campaign of former Vice President Walter Mondale and Executive Assistant to the Campaign Manager in the 1984 general election.[8] [9]

"In 1992, Devine served as a member of the Democratic Party Rules Committee and was a consultant to CBS News throughout the Democratic National Convention in New York. As lead negotiator for the Dukakis campaign at the 1988 Rules Committee, Devine was involved in the Democratic party's 1988 reform that eliminated winner take all methods of delegate selection and established proportional representation as the exclusive system of delegate allocation in the Democratic Party."

He has has obviously won Democratic primary nominations for his clients, but moving them to win in the general election, not so much

He has been involved in winning Senate campaigns

[Else You Are Mad]

9. Haha...

During the Corzine/Christie race a bag of dog poop would have defeated Corzine here in NJ. Sadly, one did defeat Corzine.

[merrily]

12. At least, when Christie was up for re-election, Democrats supported his

Democratic opponent with all their might

Oh, wait....

Sorry, that was OT as to this thread, but it still is a sore spot with many of my NJ relatives, all of whom are lifelong Democrats with no clue how to split a ticket and no desire to get a clue.

[CalvinballPro]

15. It's been pretty obviously reported that Christie used state resources and threats of blacklisting

to get Democratic mayors in NJ to endorse him. Or did you miss that whole "Bridgegate" debacle? Christie got re-elected the way Ghaddafi and Hussein and Kim Jong get re-elected.

[merrily]

18. No, I didn't miss shit. No missing of ANY of the shit from either side. Please don't condescend.

[Else You Are Mad]

22. See my post below as to how Christie stole the vote.

[Else You Are Mad]

20. Oh, the problem was that...

After Lautenberg died in 2013, Christie separated the special election for the open senate seat from the November election because he did not want to be on the same ballot as Cory Booker. Christie knew that NJ would vote straight democrat right down the ticket if Booker was on the ballot and he would lose, so he moved the special election up one month so that they would not be on the same ticket. And it worked, and cost NJ $30 million and a democratic government.

[CalvinballPro]

24. *facepalm* I completely forgot about that, and I live in NJ.

Too bad we can't sue him for all the money he's wasted. Not just on that special election, but on the pension management and personal security detail while he's jetting around playing Trump's lapdog.

[Else You Are Mad]

25. My mom is in NJEA the teachers union...

And the crap he has done to the public pensions is so absurd. He has spent more in fees for the fund manager that handles the pensions during his 6 years than all the governors spent on fees in total for the last 2 decades or so.

There is no such thing as a good NJ governor, but he has been the worst in decades.

[joshcryer]

42. Oh that's dirty as hell.

Good to know the actual history as opposed to shallow innuendo.

[wendylaroux]

2. we shall see,you little wall street lover you. : ) nt

[NurseJackie]

6. Tell me more! (LOL!) :-P

[merrily]

16. So many of those Gene Wilder things are floating around DU. Just saw this one:

[alcibiades_mystery]

8. Listen, Sanders only has to win 54% of the delegates out of those states

It's not like that's a lot.

If you don't believe me, just keep repeating "Favorable Map" and "Favorable Calendar" over and over again, and you, too, will feel the Bern...

[merrily]

13. I'm so sorry you still don't get how pointless posts like that are.

Make that counter productive to your cause.

In fact, I think I'll donate to Sanders again "right fucking now!"

[MaggieD]

19. LOL - go ahead

Why would anyone care if you choose to throw your money away?

[merrily]

35. ?Quien sabe? Why would people who don't care post as you and Alcibades have?

Lots of mysteries on this board!

I don't care if anyone cares if I donate or not. I was simply trying to make AM understand that I thought he or she was missing the point. I think you are, too.

[1StrongBlackMan]

32. Funny ... I didn't see your concern for "pointless counter productive" posts ...

on either of the post that led to this: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027693888

[Else You Are Mad]

10. Well, I will be casting my vote for Sanders on June 7!!!

Because better late than never...

[Octafish]

11. Certainly resonates with Wall Street.

Those who read can learn:



Warfare via Banking

Milton Friedman and the Rise of Monetary Fascism

The Dark Age of Money

by JAMES C. KENNEDY
CounterPunch Oct. 24, 2012

EXCERPT...

Monetary Fascism was created and propagated through the Chicago School of Economics. Milton Friedman’s collective works constitute the foundation of Monetary Fascism. Knowing that the term ’Fascism’ was universally unpopular; Friedman and the Chicago School of Economics masquerade these works as ‘Capitalism’ and ’Free Market’ economics.

SNIP...

The fundamental difference between Adam Smith’s free market capitalism and Friedman’s ‘free market capitalism’ is that Friedman’s is a hyper extractive model, the kind that creates and maintains Third-World-Countries and Banana-Republics, without geo-political borders.

If you say that this is nothing new, you miss the point. Friedman does not differentiate between some third world country and his own. The ultimate difference is that Friedman has created a model that sanctions and promotes the exploitation of his own country, in fact every country, for the benefit of the investor, money the uber-wealthy. He dressed up this noxious ideology as ‘free market capitalism’ and then convinced most of the world to embrace it as their economic salvation.

SNIP...

Monetary Fascism, as conceived by Friedman, uses the powers of the state to put the interest of money and the financial class above and beyond all other forms of industry (and other stake holders) and the state itself.

SNIP...

Money has become the state and the traditional state is forced to serve money’s interests. Everywhere the Financial Class is openly lording over sovereign nations. Ireland, Greece and Spain are subject to ultimatums and remember Hank Paulson’s $700 billion extortion from the U.S. Congress. The $700 billion was just the wedge. Thanks to unlimited access to the Discount Window, Quantitative Easing and other taxpayer funded debt-swap bailouts the total transfers to the financial industry exceeded $16 trillion as of July 2010 according to a Federal Reserve Audit. All of this was dumped on the taxpayer and it is still growing.

CONTINUED...

http://www.counterpunch.org/2012/10/24/the-dark-age-of-money/

Think this is history or something in far-off Faroffia? Think again.

President Clinton and the Chilean Model.

By José Piñera

Midnight at the House of Good and Evil

"It is 12:30 at night, and Bill Clinton asks me and Dottie: 'What do you know about the Chilean social-security system?'” recounted Richard Lamm, the three-term former governor of Colorado. It was March 1995, and Lamm and his wife were staying that weekend in the Lincoln Bedroom of the White House.

I read about this surprising midnight conversation in an article by Jonathan Alter (Newsweek, May 13, 1996), as I was waiting at Dulles International Airport for a flight to Europe. The article also said that early the next morning, before he left to go jogging, President Bill Clinton arranged for a special report about the Chilean reform produced by his staff to be slipped under Lamm's door.

That news piqued my interest, so as soon as I came back to the United States, I went to visit Richard Lamm. I wanted to know the exact circumstances in which the president of the world’s superpower engages a fellow former governor in a Saturday night exchange about the system I had implemented 15 years earlier.

Lamn and I shared a coffee on the terrace of his house in Denver. He not only was the most genial host to this curious Chilean, but he also proved to be deeply motivated by the issues surrounding aging and the future of America. So we had an engaging conversation. At the conclusion, I ventured to ask him for a copy of the report that Clinton had given him. He agreed to give it to me on the condition that I do not make it public while Clinton was president. He also gave me a copy of the handwritten note on White House stationery, dated 3-21-95, which accompanied the report slipped under his door. It read:

Dick,
Sorry I missed you this morning.
It was great to have you and Dottie here.
Here's the stuff on Chile I mentioned.
Best,
Bill.

Three months before that Clinton-Lamm conversation about the Chilean system, I had a long lunch in Santiago with journalist Joe Klein of Newsweek magazine. A few weeks afterwards, he wrote a compelling article entitled,[font color="green"] "If Chile can do it...couldn´t North America privatize its social-security system?" [/font color]He concluded by stating that "the Chilean system is perhaps the first significant social-policy idea to emanate from the Southern Hemisphere." (Newsweek, December 12, 1994).

I have reasons to think that probably this piece got Clinton’s attention and, given his passion for policy issues, he became a quasi expert on Chile’s Social Security reform. Clinton was familiar with Klein, as the journalist covered the 1992 presidential race and went on anonymously to write the bestseller Primary Colors, a thinly-veiled account of Clinton’s campaign.

“The mother of all reforms”

While studying for a Masters and a Ph.D. in economics at Harvard University, I became enamored with America’s unique experiment in liberty and limited government. In 1835 Alexis de Tocqueville wrote the first volume of Democracy in America hoping that many of the salutary aspects of American society might be exported to his native France. I dreamed with exporting them to my native Chile.

So, upon finishing my Ph.D. in 1974 and while fully enjoying my position as a Teaching Fellow at Harvard University and a professor at Boston University, I took on the most difficult decision in my life: to go back to help my country rebuild its destroyed economy and democracy along the lines of the principles and institutions created in America by the Founding Fathers. Soon after I became Secretary of Labor and Social Security, and in 1980 I was able to create a fully funded system of personal retirement accounts. Historian Niall Ferguson has stated that this reform was “the most profound challenge to the welfare state in a generation. Thatcher and Reagan came later. The backlash against welfare started in Chile.”

But while de Tocqueville’s 1835 treatment contained largely effusive praise of American government, the second volume of Democracy in America, published five years later, strikes a more cautionary tone. He warned that “the American Republic will endure, until politicians realize they can bribe the people with their own money.” In fact at some point during the 20th century, the culture of self reliance and individual responsibility that had made America a great and free nation was diluted by the creation of [font color="green"] “an Entitlement State,”[/font color] reminiscent of the increasingly failed European welfare state. What America needed was a return to basics, to the founding tenets of limited government and personal responsibility.

[font color="green"]In a way, the principles America helped export so successfully to Chile through a group of free market economists needed to be reaffirmed through an emblematic reform. I felt that the Chilean solution to the impending Social Security crisis could be applied in the USA.[/font color]

CONTINUED...

http://www.josepinera.org/articles/articles_clinton_chilean_model.htm

The Future holds more of the Same, unless We the People can dosumpinaboudid.

5 WikiLeaks Revelations Exposing the Rapidly Growing Corporatism Dominating American Diplomacy Abroad

One of WikiLeaks' greatest achievements has been to expose the exorbitant amount of influence that multinational corporations have over Washington's diplomacy.

By Rania Khalek / AlterNet June 21, 2011

One of the most significant scourges paralyzing our democracy is the merger of corporate power with elected and appointed government officials at the highest levels of office. Influence has a steep price-tag in American politics where politicians are bought and paid for with ever increasing campaign contributions from big business, essentially drowning out any and all voices advocating on behalf of the public interest.

Millions of dollars in campaign funding flooding Washington's halls of power combined with tens of thousands of high-paid corporate lobbyists and a never-ending revolving door that allows corporate executives to shuffle between the public and private sectors has blurred the line between government agencies and private corporations.

This corporate dominance over government affairs helps to explain why we are plagued by a health-care system that lines the pockets of industry executives to the detriment of the sick; a war industry that causes insurmountable death and destruction to enrich weapons-makers and defense contractors; and a financial sector that violates the working class and poor to dole out billions of dollars in bonuses to Wall Street CEO's.

The implications of this rapidly growing corporatism reach far beyond our borders and into the realm of American diplomacy, as in one case where efforts by US diplomats forced the minimum wage for beleaguered Haitian workers to remain below sweatshop levels.

In this context of corporate government corruption, one of WikiLeaks' greatest achievements has been to expose the exorbitant amount of influence that multinational corporations have over Washington's diplomacy. Many of the WikiLeaks US embassy cables reveal the naked intervention by our ambassadorial staff in the business of foreign countries on behalf of US corporations. From mining companies in Peru to pharmaceutical companies in Ecuador, one WikiLeaks embassy cable after the next illuminates a pattern of US diplomats shilling for corporate interests abroad in the most underhanded and sleazy ways imaginable.

While the merger of corporate and government power isn't exactly breaking news, it is one of the most critical yet under-reported issues of our time. And WikiLeaks has given us an inside look at the inner-workings of this corporate-government collusion, often operating at the highest levels of power. It is crystal clear that it's standard operating procedure for US government officials to moonlight as corporate stooges. Thanks to WikiLeaks, here are five instances that display the lengths to which Washington is willing to go to protect and promote US corporations around the world.

CONTINUED...

http://www.alternet.org/story/151370/5_wikileaks_revelations_exposing_the_rapidly_growing_corporatism_dominating_american_diplomacy_abroad

Explains why rightwing asswipes hate DU. Also gives us a heads-up on why we need Libaral, Progressive Democratic Action.

[MaggieD]

17. LOL!

Sanders apparently prefers to go down in ignominious defeat rather than bow out gracefully.

[bkkyosemite]

27. Oh and Hillary bowed out gracefully all the way to the end of the campaign.!

[MaggieD]

46. She wasn't behind by over 300 delegates

It was a close race. THIS is NOT a close race. And it won't be in the future either. He is simply refusing to accept reality. He will not win PA, NY, NY, MD, DC at the very least, and will likely lose by a lot in those states. He will not win any of the other large remaining states, or by squeakers at best. He certainly will not hit the 66% he needs of the remaining delegates.

That is so obvious. He is either in the kind of denial that is dangerous for a president (disqualifying him) or he is simply grifting money from his donors.

[morningfog]

48. You should quit claiming Bernie is grifting.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

21. Yep. Brownie points are important. Vital on Wall Street.

And, they pay well for celebrity performers.

[Jefferson23]

23. OP's like your remind me reform of the party will not be possible and a split inevitable

in the near future.

The contemptible cynicism and lack of concern for corruption displayed here
as a political pawn game only increases those odds innumerably.

Unfucking believable, truly.

[kennetha]

26. Not every person who works on Wall Street is corrupt.

though most are probably Republicans, not all are.

Wall street employs many, many people.

Sanders says that the entire business model of Wall street is a fraud. The ENTIRE thing? Really?

That is so crude, simplistic, vastly over-exaggerated.

And wall street isn't just the billionaire class. Millions of people's pension funds, many 401K's, many entrepreneurs, small, medium and large, are tied up with Wall street. Wall street doesn't alway serve their interests well, and definitely needs to be regulated.

But I very seriously doubt Sanders can sell his crude vision of Wall street in NY and New Jersey and Connecticut.

[bkkyosemite]

28. Yes and they are messing with those 401K's and pensions all the time....gambling with

people's lives.......

[Jefferson23]

30. Crude? You can keep your head in the sand, but anyone working on WS who is not at the

very top constructing THIEVERY should not be afraid of Sanders. That is not his
target..one would hope people could understand at least that much.

Talk about simplistic, you appear to not appreciate the power they have to
create another crisis.

[1StrongBlackMan]

34. +1. eom.

[taught_me_patience]

49. Most are democrats

Moderate democrats, but democrats nonetheless.

Full disclosure:
My sister and brother in law work on wall street. They are both strong Hillary supporters and donors.

[kennetha]

52. yeah I know a lot of democrats in banking too

Many of them can't stand the fundies who have taken over the repugnants.

Also, when Bernie talks about contributions from Wall Street he's purposely demagoguing the difference between people who work at a firm and the firm itself. If a bunch of democrats who work on wall street donate money to Hillary that doesn't mean that she's a "captive" of wall street firms the way Bernie purposely implies.

[LonePirate]

36. Has the corruption been proven in a court of law?

Corruption is indeed an important issue but so is the Fifth Amendment's Due Process clause. I would think Democrats of all people would not rush to judgment and would uphold the innocent until proven guilty principle.

[Jefferson23]

38. How are the top tier going to be prosecuted when they've funneled money to elections is

probably what you meant to say.

I'm not rushing to any judgment, connect the dots, it has worked in WS's
favor for a long time.

[LonePirate]

43. You're not rushing to judgment?

You state you have connected the dots and your posts read like you've already convicted her based on speculation and hearsay. As Democrats, we should be better than that.

[Jefferson23]

45. I am referring to her and the last 7 years of this administration.

You would have to have a leap of faith larger than the Atlantic ocean to
think they give her or anyone money just by the chance she will allow them the wiggle
room they're vying for. No one who takes their money is best placed to fight for reform.
Frank-Dodd does not have the necessary teeth to prevent another financial crisis.
So asking me to wait and see if she breaches the law is rather specious, and not
in the least proactive.

Her past is another indicator:

http://billmoyers.com/story/elizabeth-warren-recalls-a-time-when-big-donors-may-have-changed-hillarys-vote/

[Hiraeth]

41. You realize that some judges can be bought, right

[2pooped2pop]

29. Jesus, stop with the constant shit stirring

Will this be followed by calls to unite behind Hillary? Your shit stirring posts drive more people into the "no way ever" group every day.

Take a bow for job well done.

[kennetha]

33. you mean you would really decide who to vote for on the basis of posts on DU that offend you?

you can't really be serious. Are you?

[2pooped2pop]

37. makes me hate her more every single day

[kennetha]

40. You actually hate her?

and you hate her because of something some third party says?

That doesn't sound very rational or grown-up.

[2pooped2pop]

44. I do now

And with all of your shit stirring posts, you are a fine one to comment on rational and grown up.

Its one thing to snark in a thread. Its another to start thread after thread just to gloat and insult and stir shit up.

[kennetha]

47. Hate me, if you must -- though I would rather you not.

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But don't hate Hillary. I don't hate Bernie, I just think he's a misguided ideologue blind to political reality and too pure and self-righteous for the real fights ahead. I don't hate his supporters either. I just think they are too wide-eyed and not realistic enough. But why should I hate them because of something like that?

[2pooped2pop]

53. I do hate hillary

And there is no reason I shouldn't. Everything she does destroys lives.

[1StrongBlackMan]

39. It's hard to keep pace ...

When African-Americans were voicing offense to some of the treatment we received from the keyboards of Bernie supporters, we were told, by Bernie supporters, how stupid it was to allow his supporters to sway our voting decision.

How Bernie supporters are telling Hillary supporters that their posts are making them less li9kely to unify for the G/E.

So hard to keep pace, these days.

[Agschmid]

51. Yup.

[Agschmid]

50. They are serious...

I read so many posts like this everyday, people should not let what (mostly) anonymous people on the internet say dictate their life decision, but they do.

[Avalux]

54. What are you trying to accomplish here?

Ridicule isn't going to help your cause.