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[cherokeeprogressive]

This discussion thread was locked as off-topic by In_The_Wind (a host of the 2016 Postmortem forum).

Here's my plan: If it's an anti thread posted by Clinton supporters, and it's OBVIOUS what it is? LET IT SINK.

Don't give them the satisfaction. Let the echo-chamber they want begin right here... with THIS post. You know who the posters are. You know what you'll read when you open their posts.

Let. Them. Sink. Open them and read if only just for the laugh. Then let them sink.

And for each post of theirs that sinks like a stone, contribute $27 if you can, and $1 if that's all ya got.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

1. Good idea.

They are baiting us. We shouldn't take the bait.

[cherokeeprogressive]

2. That's EXACTLY right. And we're taking the bait. I admit I'm as guilty as anyone else.

Fuck them. Let them talk amongst themselves.

[BeanMusical]

23. "Fuck them"

Yuck, not even with a ten foot pole.

[arcane1]

3. I put the worst trolls on ignore and now DU feels like a site for grown-ups again.

[cherokeeprogressive]

6. You know, in the decade+ I've been here I've never put anyone on ignore.

I like to read their posts for their entertainment value, but I don't respond most times.

I'll tell you what though... after the "changes" that Skinner made the other day, I'm done contributing to DU. I used to think "democracy" was what was important at a place called "Democratic Underground", but was slapped in the face by "It's my ball so we'll play by MY rules." It IS Skinner's site after all, and knowing his support for one candidate over another is so strong he'd change the rules to support it makes me rethink my welcome here.

Done monetarily and probably done after the primaries. I'm writing my flame-out post little by little.

[arcane1]

27. Indeed, after 13 years here, I finally started using ignore last autumn.

And I suspect that criticism of a president Clinton will not be as tolerated as criticism of Obama. I stopped donating too, especially once I heard about the connections to the Clinton campaign.

The sudden appearance of the Hillary Logo Font was the first red flag.

[Zira]

44. I donated today and got my first hide right after

What are the connections to the Clinton campaign?

I suspect i better just close my account here. I perhaps made a mistake donating. I didn't know it was partisan site.

[Blue_In_AK]

49. I just started putting people on ignore a couple days ago,

and I feel so much better. I had resisted for a long time, but now I'm really glad the feature is available.

[Zira]

45. Can I ask what the changes were?

[cherokeeprogressive]

47. People who got five hides in 90 days got a "time-out".

Problem for Skinner was he's an unabashed Hillary Clinton supporter and most of his paying customers aren't. They were getting their stupid shit hidden right and left and sent to the corner to cool their heels until their 90 day old hides fell off the board and they had four or less.

Skinner owns the site and I guess he got tired of being in the minority when it came to primary candidates so he gave his fellow Hillary Clinton supporters amnesty if they had 5 hides and let them come back to post. One of the worst ones had SEVEN hides in less than three weeks. She's driving a supercharged V-8 manure spreader all over the site as I type this.

[Zira]

48. Thanks for telling me. Very much appreciated.

Very sad to hear the site owner is for Hillary. I should have found out more before I donated.

[peacebird]

53. His changes have freed up some of the worst offenders

They are baiting Bernie folk, Alert swarming and trying to get bans. I personally think that was the whole reason for the change.

[Zira]

43. I think I did too. I went to the Hillary group and found many of the ones to ignore.

I just found one on this thread calling Bernie "BS." Immediate ignore on that type.

I am learning.

[pdsimdars]

58. I just started doing this

Someone mentioned it the other day. It is a much nicer place now. I got so tired of the same people over and over, just putting up annoying "bait" posts, just to piss Bernie supporters off. They don't seem to have anything concrete or positive to offer, just smears, innuendo and condescension. Let them stew in their own nastiness.

[JaneyVee]

4. Ok we wont read it.

[dchill]

7. Turned it in, turned it out...

Turned it into sauerkraut.

[TheDormouse]

5. unfortunately, they won't sink because this strategy only works if everybody adheres to it

and we know everybody won't adhere to it.

[TheDormouse]

8. the other thing is that when there are clear mistatements of fact, they need to be called out nt

[SMC22307]

9. Exactly. (n/t)

[cherokeeprogressive]

10. No, they really don't. DU is but a grain of sand on a beach. It AIN'T an influential place.

Entertaining as fuck, yes. Influential, no.

[SMC22307]

13. I learn from the anti-Bernie threads...

and take that information/knowledge outside of the DU bubble. DUers cut through bullshit tremendously well (Corporate Media, Third Way, Spandan, smarty, Milt, et al.) and it's a joy to watch that garbage get chewed up and spit out.

Plus, I derive waaaay too much pleasure from the resident loudmouth(s) getting shot down.

[pdsimdars]

60. Have they ever actually stated a fact?

Maybe we should start a list. Whenever they actually state a fact, put it on the list so we can go look at them. All I've ever seen is condescension and smugness.

[bigwillq]

11. Take it to the BS group, please. GDP is for everybody.

This is just silly.

[cherokeeprogressive]

12. All in good fun.

[angstlessk]

25. Are you saying 'Everybody'

Does not include Bernie supporters?

[peacebird]

54. That would appear to be the case....

[pdsimdars]

61. That was P E R F E C T !!!

[Zira]

42. Wellcome to my ingnore for your offensive to be offensive post.

[mindwalker_i]

14. Or we could join them and reply with....

Mr. Sanders is bad, mmmkay?

[cherokeeprogressive]

17. The problem there is replies kick the thread to the top...

effectively negating the notion of letting it sink.

[Tarc]

15. Or here's a thought; engage with those you have disagreements with

Shocker, I know, but it seems that far too many Sanders fans around here like to brag about their Ignore lists, their forum-trashing, and then stuff like this.

If you can't even handle a fellow Democrat and her supporters, y'all would be no match for Trump and his, I'm afraid.

[cherokeeprogressive]

18. I don't ignore posters. Some people post the most entertaining shit I've ever read.

But I don't need to read it more than once.

[artislife]

28. I am not afraid of Trump

We know what we will get with him.

She is another thing. Who in the world can guess what she will do...except be bold.

[Scootaloo]

51. ou ever considered mining that rich vein of irony you've got going, there?

[Tarc]

57. I don' t think "irony" means what you think it means

Oh my god...TRASH FORUM...how awesome!

I cheerfully engage with your camp, but many over there seem to prefer the eyes-closed, fingers-in-ears approach to life.

Tsk.

[Bluenorthwest]

56. Here's some news for you- Some have been dealing with Trump since the 1980's w/o centrist help

"Recognizing Trump as a key symbol of the privatization of New York that contributed to the rapid increase in economic inequality in the 1980s, ACT UP continued to target him. The Housing Committee returned to Trump Tower on February 11, 1989, for the “Soup Kitchen Rally,” in which a coalition of city groups protested the city’s failure to address homelessness, and again on Halloween 1989, when ACT UP members passed out candy, condoms, and information about AIDS and homelessness."
http://www.gothamcenter.org/blog/the-majority-of-people-dying-of-aids-were-people-of-color-aids-activism-rising-inequality

This was LGBT, primarily people of color, who were a match for Trump 28 years ago. Where were you? Hillary recently told us that it was Ron and Nancy doing all the hard work of 'opening conversations' and being strong advocates but in reality LGBT under extreme community duress were already choosing off and calling our the man who is now the big surprise candidate casting fear into Hillary supporters.

If Hillary type Democrats had stood with the LGBT and PoC of ACT Up decades ago, today Trump would not have the power he has. The DNC did not stand with those activists, they did not join in the condemnation of Trump. Not then and not for 30 years following.

[Avalux]

16. I like this plan!

I think I can't see a lot anyway, so won't be too difficult. Onward!!!

[cherokeeprogressive]

20. Excelsior!

That happens to be the high school my Mom graduated from LOL.

[Hydra]

19. It's what they say they want

They want a DU without us. They're getting their wish.

[cherokeeprogressive]

21. NO! We post, we just don't reply to their stupid ANTI shit

[Hydra]

22. Oh, I'll still be here posting

But I did add that last part because the exodus is well underway, and if we do as you suggest, they will only be conversing with each other, not us.

They will have the bubble they are so craving.

[cherokeeprogressive]

24. Nooo... not really. Let them reply to OUR posts. Then we'll either reply to them or not.

Bernie Sanders is 10x as bad as Stalin? Bernie Sanders is a draft dodger? Joe Arpaio is being defended against Jane Sanders? AIPAC is being used as a wedge between Bernie Sanders and voters?

Srsly?

[pangaia]

26. Good idea.

I've thought of doing this and have started to a great degree.

Don't have 100% self-control yet but working on it.

[beam me up scottie]

29. Excellent advice my friend.

I can't promise to take it but I'll try.

[cherokeeprogressive]

30. Time was... "Let it sink" was a rallying cry here.

I say we bring back the tradition.

[beam me up scottie]

31. I posted a couple of threads calling for the same thing a few months ago.

Disruptors want attention, the worst thing you can do to them is ignore them.

Nothing they hate more than having their flame bait sink.

[cherokeeprogressive]

32. LOL and "unrec" was considered oppression and/or censorship.

Those who screamed loudest had no clue that censorship is only possible when you have governmental control... but Skinner took unrec away anyhoo.

Good times.

[beam me up scottie]

34. I loved unrec!!!

Remember forced ignore?

And when you could see how many people had someone on ignore?

[cherokeeprogressive]

36. Those were heady days. I remember them well.

We were aligned along parallel lines like metal shavings near a magnet because we HATED "*". Then 2008 came along, Barack Obama got elected, and we were set adrift like some rudderless supertanker.

Hasn't been the same since.

[beam me up scottie]

37. Word.

Pre-2008 DU saved my sanity.

[NuclearDem]

33. I'm a Clinton supporter and I read your OP.

Where's your God now?

[cherokeeprogressive]

35. MY God? I honestly don't know. Haven't considered it for even a single second.

In fact; I'm not sure whether you mean a spiritual entity or some bullshit snark.

Where's your God? Fuck that... where's my money?

[NuclearDem]

38. Whoa, easy man, I just gotta go down to the bank, I swear.

[cherokeeprogressive]

39. Hey don't worry. I'm old. Was throwing shadow punches in the mirror a few months ago...

pulled a muscle in my back. I'm no threat without a gun in my hand.

[bravenak]

40. Sorry but, this cracked me the fuck up

[cherokeeprogressive]

41. Then my job here is done.

[Chichiri]

46. Sorry, but I read it. If I could ask . . .

What's an anti thread?

[aikoaiko]

50. Nah. I still ok with hammering every OP and donating

[djean111]

52. I have the worst ones on full ignore, so I don't even see the OPs.

There is no point in arguing. Can you imagine an argument that would make Hillary seem a better choice than Bernie? On issues OR baggage OR record OR deeds? There is none. So they can blather to themselves. At this point, no one will be convincing anyone to switch support. Not for logical reasons, anyway.

[ebayfool]

55. ^^^^^That! Right there!^^^^^ n/t

[hack89]

59. That certainly is the mature and adult way to deal with disagreement

I think I will start doing it with all my personal relationships.

[asuhornets]

62. Good Luck...GO HILLARY!!!! n/t

[JoePhilly]

63. Perhaps at some point you'll realize that all of the anti-Clinton OPs ...

.... cause the relatively few pro-Bernie OPs that get posted to SINK SINK SINK ... as you all flock to rec the anti-Clinton OPs.

You seem SO close to figuring it out.

[In_The_Wind]

64. Locking

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