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[gollygee]

1. DOMA was in the mid-1990s and this resolution was in 1982

So it wasn't in response to the DOMA movement. It was probably just about marriage and they were just all as heterosexist as all straight people in 1982. I question whether same-sex marriage was even considered when they wrote this. I was just 12 in 1982. Maybe there was a huge anti-same-sex marriage movement that mayors were supporting with resolutions that I don't remember during that time.

[silvershadow]

2. 1982. I would imagine he rightfully did so.

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if he had done anything else back in that era so long ago, he likely would have never made it to the Senate let alone be running for president. He has stood up for marriage equality earlier than anyone else in the race. I welcome him wholeheartedly

[Hassin Bin Sober]

85. It had nothing to do with political cover.

This resolution was not about anything concerning same sex relationships.

It was a feel-good resolution akin to a resolution claiming "dogs are man's best friends"

There was no same sex marriage debate (to speak of) at the time. Gay people were working on not getting murdered and trying to figure out what was killing us while Hillary's Hero on the issue, Nancy Reagan, was whistling Dixie.

[Duckhunter935]

3. just a couple of years ago

From her own mouth

Not 30+ you had to try and smear Bernie with

[randome]

18. 'A couple' equals 'twelve'?

I think the point of the OP is clear: both candidates have 'evolved', personally and politically. It's no big deal either way, imo.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Birds are territorial creatures.
The lyrics to the songbird's melodious trill go something like this:
"Stay out of my territory or I'll PECK YOUR GODDAMNED EYES OUT!"[/center][/font][hr]

[Duckhunter935]

25. That is not what the OP is about

It was a slam on Bernie and facts matter. Note how the opportunity never mentioned it was 30 years ago.

[bravenak]

4. I'm not sure what the resolution means exactly

[IMG][/IMG]

I do not see where it says anything about what type of marriage... I was not around then, I think you might be my age, I wish we had somebody who was around then to tell us what was going on at the time.

[bravenak]

5. Oh duh..

I see it now. It says husband and wife

[DURHAM D]

26. This was pandering to those on the religious right.

They could of said absolutely nothing but they did not want to lose the moderate/conservative voters so this is how they threw rocks at us.

However, the LGBT movement at the time did not even have marriage equality on their radar. We were just trying to work on public accommodations, employment discrimination, and housing denial. We still are.

[bravenak]

27. Makes perfect sense now

Another reason I do not do religion or trust politicians. I swear we are always sold out for some 'moderate' votes. But now we get called moderates. The world is a trip.

[beam me up scottie]

61. What bullshit, Bernie stood up to the religious right in Vermont.

32 Years Before SCOTUS Decision, Sanders Backed Gay Pride March
by Paul Heintz
June 30, 2015

"In the city of Burlington and in the state of Vermont, people have the right to exercise their lifestyles," Sanders said. "It's an American right, anyone's right to have a march... This is a civil liberties question."

The mayor elaborated on his reasoning later that month in a memo penned on the eve of the march.

"In our democratic society, it is the responsibility of government to safeguard civil liberties and civil rights — especially the freedom of speech and expression," Sanders wrote. "In a free society, we must all be committed to the mutual respect of each others [sic] lifestyle."

...

But not long after the march, according to an undated story from the UVM archives that appears to have originated in the Vanguard Press, Burlington resident Maikel Carder was beaten up on Church Street.

"The reason — Carder was confronted by a teenager and accused of being gay. When he refused to back down or turn away, he was beaten unconscious outside of City Hall," the story reads. "The irony is that the 41-year-old knifemaker is straight."

Peggy Luhrs, who helped organize the march, linked the two events.

"It really doesn't surprise me," she said. "We knew that coming out would stir up the homophobes."

Some of them went after Sanders — particularly in letters to the editor published in the Free Press.

The mayor's "support for 'gay rights' and the city's support is giving this town a bad name," Burlington's Patrick McCown wrote. Essex Center's Stephen Gons questioned why the city wouldn't designate a day for Nazis if it was willing to do so for gays.

"Come on, Bernie, no one is infringing on any civil rights by not proclaiming a gay rights day," he wrote.

Winooski's Iva Black penned one of the more caustic responses.

"How many of these abnormal, disgusting critters will emerge from their closets, under the guise of aldermen, and Bernie is right is [sic] there too, rubbing his hands with glee and expectation," she wrote in a letter published on the day of the march. "As morals keep slipping, will we eventually celebrate Murderer's Day, Rapist's Day, Alcoholic's Day, Dope Day, Arsonist's Day and Child Molester's Day, or will a greater power give us The Day of Reckoning? Stand up, you weirdos, and give your brains an airing."

Sanders didn't back down. The next year, the Board of Aldermen passed a resolution urging all levels of government to support gay rights, according to a letter in the archives from the Organizing Committee for Lesbian and Gay Pride Celebration, which invited Sanders to speak at its 1984 rally.

On June 22, 1985, Sanders wrote members of the gay community to inform them that the board had passed yet another such resolution.

"It is my very strong view that a society which proclaims human freedom as its goal, as the United States does, must work unceasingly to end discrimination against all people," he wrote. "I am happy to say that this past year, in Burlington, we have made some important progress by adopting an ordinance which prohibits discrimination in housing. This law will give legal protection not only to welfare recipients, and families with children, the elderly and the handicapped — but to the gay community as well."


http://www.sevendaysvt.com/OffMessage/archives/2015/06/30/32-years-before-scotus-decision-sanders-backed-gay-pride-march

[DURHAM D]

63. This is not on point. nt

[beam me up scottie]

66. It most certainly is on point. Bernie never pandered to the religious right.

Hillary not only pandered to them, she joined their crusade against marriage equality.

[DURHAM D]

69. The poster asked a specific question.

I answered it. You don't like the answer so you are trying to change the subject.

I don't engage with derailers in my personal life and certainly don't bother on the internuts.

Done

[beam me up scottie]

70. Just because it doesn't fit the narrative doesn't mean it's irrelevant.

I really don't care whether or not you respond, I'm correcting the record.

[treestar]

54. Yes. Way too early to be anything other than

Maybe the right wing when they are just starting out on their social issues. They were probably taking a swipe at single parents and had no thoughts regarding same-sex marriage

[LexVegas]

6. Sanders has evolved as many politicians have. I salute him. nt

[bluedigger]

7. Hillary has never been an elected executive, either, but Bernie has.

[uponit7771]

10. So?!?! tia

[bluedigger]

14. Just thought I'd point that out, since she claims to be the more experienced candidate.

[MoonRiver]

15. So exactly what was she when she served as the Senator from New York?

[bluedigger]

23. She was an elected representitive.

She signed no bills into law. Elected executives are leaders of their polity, in Bernie's case, the City of Burlington, Vermont's largest city. It's quite a different level of responsibility.

[MoonRiver]

90. Exacccctly!

[Hassin Bin Sober]

89. The U.S. Government has three branches. Executive, Legislative, and Judicial.

Here:

https://m.

[MoonRiver]

91. Some here have serious deficits in their ability to grasp nuance in language.

Just saying.

[rhett o rick]

8. "Washington (CNN)As recently as a year ago, Hillary Clinton was sparring with a public radio host

about her position on same-sex marriage, defending her past reticence to discuss the issue and falling well short of full-throated support. Now, in a markedly new position, Clinton is offering just that, calling gay marriage a right afforded by the Constitution."

http://www.cnn.com/2015/04/15/politics/hillary-clinton-same-sex-marriage/index.html

She still doesn't believe it but willing to say so to win votes.

[uponit7771]

9. uh oh...

[Vattel]

11. Oh god, the nonsense never ends.

I was pro gay marriage in 1982, but I would have signed this if I had been mayor because it wasn't a statement expressing opposition to gay marriage.

[cleopotrick]

12. May I offer a broad-sweeping "fuck you" to the bastards who continue to impugn Bernie's character?

What have you gained by making Bernie (who voted and spoke out against DADT & DOMA) seem anti-gay? Gay "heroine" Hillary is a shifting, opportunistic sot when it comes to LGBT rights

[Broward]

16. Yep, they are backing the lesser candidate on this issue and many others.

They deflect, twist and lie about Bernie to justify it. In the interest of honesty, they should just own that they're for the conservative in the race.

[Warren Stupidity]

21. +1000

[Liberal Insights]

13. Hillary worked on racist Republican presidential campaign !

Come on already.
These ancient history arguments are just plain silly!
Hillary worked on Sen. Barry Goldwater's presidential campaign after he had been one of the opponents of the historic 1964 Civil Rights bill.
Who wants leaders who haven't had a change of heart or mind in 50 years!!!

[uponit7771]

17. When she was 12 with her parents right? Leaving those salient facts out leads people to ignore the

.. more gating critiques of HRC

[Hassin Bin Sober]

37. She was President of the local College Republican chapter her first year at Wesley.

[randome]

19. If someone hasn't learned and changed in 50 years, there is something wrong with him/her, imo.

[hr][font color="blue"][center]Birds are territorial creatures.
The lyrics to the songbird's melodious trill go something like this:
"Stay out of my territory or I'll PECK YOUR GODDAMNED EYES OUT!"[/center][/font][hr]

[Broward]

22. Hillary's timeline is a little shorter.

Given her constant shape-shifting, if someone hasn't changed in the past five minutes then there is something wrong with him or her.

[Progressive dog]

24. Before she could vote,

she was a young Republican. If you really think the arguments are silly, why put the word racist in there.

[surrealAmerican]

20. You mean this Mayor Sanders?

That's not an anti-gay marriage statement, and you know it.

[beam me up scottie]

29. Of course they know it, but Hillary's record is so dismal they have to lie about Bernie's.

[oldandhappy]

75. Thank you for this

[beam me up scottie]

28. That wasn't a marriage resolution, why do HC supporters make up stories?

It's bad enough when you claim Hillary stood up for lgbt rights when she adamantly opposed marriage equality until 2013 but lying about Bernie's support is truly despicable.

That "resolution" had nothing to do with same sex marriage.

In 1972 Bernie wrote a letter calling for the abolishment of laws making homosexuality illegal:

Bernie Sanders Was for Full Gay Equality 40 Years Ago

Today’s Supreme Court decision was a monumental moment in American history, as it guaranteed the right for gays and lesbians to get married and established full marriage equality.

Many politicians offered their words of support, including President Obama and Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton.

Yet it is important to remember that Obama and Clinton both opposed marriage equality as late as early 2012. It is a testament to the work of thousands of activists over decades that the political class was pulled towards supporting equality.

There is however one prominent politician who did not wait so long to call for full gay equality: Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT)

In a letter he published in the early 1970’s, when he was a candidate for governor of Vermont from the Liberty Union Party, Sanders invoked freedom to call for the abolition of all laws related to homosexuality:



http://www.alternet.org/civil-liberties/bernie-sanders-was-full-gay-equality-40-years-ago

In 1996 He voted against DOMA.

Where was Hillary?

Oh that's right, matching with lgbt people and standing in the way of marriage equality.

[seabeyond]

30. Sanders and Clinton have both always been for gay rights. Clinton and Sanders both opposed marriage

equality until 2009 for Sanders and 2013 for Clinton.

[beam me up scottie]

35. Bernie never opposed marriage equality, why make up stories about him?

He voted against DOMA in 1996, proving he didn't oppose it.

A quote from 2006:

I was a strong supporter of civil unions, I believe that. I voted against the DOMA bill, I believe that the federal government should not be involved in overturning Massachusetts or any other the state because I think the whole issue of marriage is a state issue.

[seabeyond]

36. Yes he did. In 2006

[beam me up scottie]

39. I added the quote from 2006, point out where he said he opposed it.

He didn't want the feds overturning states that passed same sex marriage legislation.

[seabeyond]

41. For a socialist isn't it a hoot how often he goes to state rights when it comes to stuff like this?

[beam me up scottie]

44. Supporting states' rights to pass marriage equality is a bad thing to you?

[seabeyond]

47. He used state rights to not have to stand for marriage equality. Which is a hoot for a socialist.

[beam me up scottie]

51. Read the quote, he was STANDING UP FOR MASSACHUSETTS' RIGHT TO PASS SSM.

Socialism has nothing to do with it, Bernie is a Democratic socialist, how can you not know the difference?

[seabeyond]

71. He did not stand up for Vermont to pass marriage equality.

[beam me up scottie]

76. He said it was too soon to try because it wouldn't pass - and he was right.

He didn't oppose marriage equality in Vermont or anywhere else.

Unlike your candidate:

[Hassin Bin Sober]

67. Yeah. Because the repigs were attacking more enlightened states that were allowing same sex unions

They passed an unconstitutional law (signed by Bill Clinton, btw) meant to subvert the 14th amendment. The DOMA law was meant deny the more enlightened states the ability to affect federal benefits and deny reciprocal recognition of contracts (marriage licenses) across state lines.

How hard is that for you to understand?

It was absolutely a "states' rights" issue. You and your ilk bleating about "states' rights" is nothing short of pathetic.

[seabeyond]

74. And it was the Dems battle to avoid an amendment.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

86. That has nothing to do with you regurgitating the "states rights" bullshit meme.

[seabeyond]

87. It has to o with your discussion of DADT/DOMA.

[surrealAmerican]

32. That letter is a great find.

Thanks, beam me up.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

33. I doubt same sex marriage had anything to do with this "resolution"

SSM wasn't even on the radar.

If anything, it was about "the divorce problem"

[beam me up scottie]

42. Good point. They are desperate, aren't they?

You would think Hillary's horrible record on marriage equality would make them think twice before bringing this issue up.

[Armstead]

59. Correction -- It was pro-marriage and family but NOT anti gay marriage

is said husband and wife not "man and woman" as the basis of marriage. Husband and wife could be within a same-sex marriage.

[riversedge]

73. LOL

[beam me up scottie]

84. Same sex marriage wasn't even being considered then.

There is no way this was a resolution against ssm.

[Armstead]

88. I agree...but it was pro-marriage and family

The larger lie that the otehr side is promulgating is what's important, but should be clear that it was pro-family, whatever definition that may be.

[AzDar]

31. So SICK of this bullshit... but when your candidate is a LYING shape-shifter, it must make one

sad and DESPERATE.

[seabeyond]

38. So SICK of this bullshit, but when your candidate is a loser.....

[beam me up scottie]

46. I'm sick of Hillary supporters exploiting this issue when her record on it sucks.

[seabeyond]

49. I am sick of Sanders supporters lying about his true position to use this issue in their favor.

[beam me up scottie]

53. We're not the ones lying, our posts are backed up by facts, yours are not.

Bernie never opposed marriage equality, Hillary did.

[Bluenorthwest]

58. Gee seabeyond, do you think we LGBT Bernie supporters have Stockholm Syndrome and need you to

cure us? These threads are exactly like that thread and the people who make them are exactly like that poster, just on your side so you dig it, and you dig it hard but what you are doing is being a straight person telling LGBT how to think and that we are liars. It's tiresome the way you and a few others bait like this.

You all should let WillyT be a warning to you, because this shit is that shit, it is not different shit but the same shit.

[seabeyond]

80. "Bernie supporters have Stockholm Syndrome" Gee Blue, dont give me bigotry from Sanders supporters.

[Bluenorthwest]

50. Wow. You are not only straight but you are a 'former' opponent of marriage equality yourself.

This routine in which DU's straights try to explain LGBT things to LGBT is repulsive. Those who do it should go the way of WillyT and there are many of them. It needs to stop. You were one of the people whose minds we had to change to get rights, you have no standing to pull this shit and it is privilege soaked and bigoted for you to do so. Stop it, all of you.

You all refused to talk about the 'Reagan was an AIDS hero' crap. But you post OP's like this. How condescending and nasty is that? Very.

[seabeyond]

77. All in the verbage, but i get that. I was never an "opponent". I did support civil unions for

all of a moment in 2004 because I was so damn pissed at the bigotry toward gays, that I thought it would be a first step. Then, the gay community spoke out to me. I shut up, listened and got on board with what they were demanding. If you really want to flog me for that one, it is your right.

[AzDar]

52. Losing? Who has LOST a lead of nearly 30% points in a few months? WHO is gaining? It's HALFTIME

and we have the ball... Hillary is an incompetent LIAR who loses support everyday.

[seabeyond]

82. 2.75 million more votes.

[LostOne4Ever]

34. DEBUNKED

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/peter-c-frank/clinton-campaign-contorts_b_9184856.html

However, Allen’s assertion has a fatal flaw. Nothing could be further from the truth than the theory he offers as proof positive that Bernie supported marriage as only between a man and a woman. A look at the facts in their historical context determines the (in)significance of this potentially slanderous accusation by the Clinton camp, which Williamson L. Henderson, V, Chairman of the STONEWALL Rebellion Veterans’ Association (SVA), called “a complete distortion of the reality of the time.”

Fact #1: This is a resolution of the Board of Aldermen (which essentially is their city council) of Burlington, Vermont. A resolution is a statement supported by at least a majority of a governing body.

Fact #2: A mayor routinely signs proclamations and resolutions proffered by legislative bodies on a wide number of topics and subjects. Such proclamations are not bills and do not become law. Rather, they are official statements supported by a majority of the governing body.

Fact #3: This particular resolution supports “We Believe in Marriage Week,” a nation-wide attempt to stem the rising tide of divorce and single parenthood sweeping the nation, which other boards of aldermen supported via similar resolutions declaring the week from February 14-20, 1982 as such.

Fact #4: The rising divorce rate and increase in the number of out-of-wedlock children being born were of particular unilateral, bipartisan concern, according to Henderson. Assistant Secretary of Labor Daniel Patrick Moynihan (whom Clinton replaced when she ran for Senator in New York in 2000) issued a report in 1965 essentially decrying a condemnation into poverty, particularly of minority families, who were being broken apart due to divorce and single-parenthood.

Fact #5: The terms “family values” and “traditional marriage” did not have the anti-LGBTQ meaning in 1982 that they do today. They were, instead, concerns over the family unit falling apart due to an increase in divorce and out-of-wedlock childbirth.

Henderson further stated, “It is completely hypocritical to attack someone who has made it crystal clear that he is 100% for LGBTQ rights and marriage equality by digging up something that took place over 30 years ago, twisting the truth to use in a political attack.”

[beam me up scottie]

40. Good find!! Bookmarked for the next time this is used to lie about his record.

[Broward]

45. Thanks for posting. No surprise here.

Some Hillary supporters are as dishonest as she is.

[TheDormouse]

62. Thank you. nt

[riversedge]

78. NOT Debunked that he did sign it for whatever reason.

[beam me up scottie]

79. Yes DEBUNKED because it didn't say anything about "marriage between a man and a woman".

The op made it up.

[Bluenorthwest]

43. Hillary supporters need to cut out the straight splaining, it's gauche.

"It may be hard for your viewers to remember how difficult it was for people to talk about HIV/AIDS back in the 1980s and because of both president and Mrs. Reagan — in particular Mrs. Reagan — we started a national conversation, when before nobody would talk about it, nobody wanted to do anything about it, and that too is something I really appreciate with her very effective low-key advocacy. It penetrated the public conscience and people began to say, hey, we have to do something about this too."


I understand you folks don't want to talk about that, but too fucking bad, you need to, she needs to and you all need to give some thanks to the people who really did that work who were already protesting Donald Trump regularly as well, while you of course did not and while Hillary went to events with Donald and his wife and their kids became friends and so on and so on.

[Vinca]

48. Both he and Hillary have evolved. What's your point?

[Bluenorthwest]

55. Her point is that Hillary's alter to Ronald and Nancy is still bothering Team Hillary as well it

should. So they are gay baiting.

[beam me up scottie]

56. Bernie didn't need to evolve, the op is telling falsehoods.

[Vinca]

65. I took the OP at face value. If Bernie signed something in the 80's it is what it is.

The world has changed. Bernie changed. Hillary changed. Most of the population changed. It must be a slow day for them scandal-wise.

[beam me up scottie]

68. Read the document, it has nothing to do with marriage between "a man and a woman".

It's another fabrication from supporters of the person who did say "marriage is a sacred bond between a man and a woman".

[Armstead]

57. Don't lie -- It said husband and wife -- not man and woman

That may be a technicality, but an important one. It was simply a symbolic pro-marriage and family proclamation by the local council -- NOT an anti gay-marriage statement

[Bluenorthwest]

60. The OP is basically another 'Stockholm Syndrome' type post in which a majority member lectures

minorities about how they misunderstand their own issues. No Hillary supporter will criticize this OP, many will defend it, it's dishonest and it is gay baiting pure and simple. Exploitation.

[TheDormouse]

64. I'm really disappointed in the OP. There is clearly no statement in the resolution that

says that the only acceptable form of marriage is between man and woman, which is what the OP claims.

[oldandhappy]

72. Resolution is 1982.

When were the photos?
What was your position in 1982?
I hope you have evolved in 25 years.

[beam me up scottie]

81. The op is a lie, read the resolution.

It doesn't say "marriage is between a man and a woman".


*note to jury: it is not against community standards to point out a lie.

[Arugula Latte]

83. Pathetic. You lie.

[shawn703]

92. Dishonest just like your Dear Leader I see