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Gore won the popular vote - yet Gallup showed an 11 point lead for Bush on this day in 2000. (Original Post) mzmolly Oct 2012 OP
your labels are reversed. unblock Oct 2012 #1
What's Ironic Is How Different Their Tracker, Even Then, Was Different From Other Trackers. DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2012 #3
What's also interesting is that they ultimately adjust. mzmolly Oct 2012 #10
Goodness, thanks! mzmolly Oct 2012 #4
Please Reverse The Numbers. DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2012 #2
Will do. mzmolly Oct 2012 #6
What was there numbers in 2004 and 2008 bigdarryl Oct 2012 #5
I'm out for a bit mzmolly Oct 2012 #7
Good question. But ... mzmolly Oct 2012 #8
this link gives some info for 2004 and 2008 WI_DEM Oct 2012 #11
are amborin Oct 2012 #21
Thanks WI DEM mzmolly Oct 2012 #23
In 2008, Gallup's final poll had Obama beating McCain by 11 nationally... Drunken Irishman Oct 2012 #16
Thanks! I also think the job numbers today on Gallup are telling WI_DEM Oct 2012 #9
The final results Dawson Leery Oct 2012 #12
They Were Only Off By 2.5% Or So In Their Final Poll DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2012 #13
Zogby RobinA Oct 2012 #14
There were many pollsters who were close mzmolly Oct 2012 #15
So what is Zogby saying right now? Butterbean Oct 2012 #17
Obama up 3 on 10-14 mzmolly Oct 2012 #18
Thank you ma'am. :) Butterbean Oct 2012 #19
yw mzmolly Oct 2012 #20
Zogby Lucked Out DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2012 #22
In 2010 creeksneakers2 Oct 2012 #24
Interesting mzmolly Oct 2012 #25

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
3. What's Ironic Is How Different Their Tracker, Even Then, Was Different From Other Trackers.
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 01:42 PM
Oct 2012

They were showing three times the lead for Bush* on 10/18/00 that ABC/WAPO was.

amborin

(16,631 posts)
21. are
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 02:52 PM
Oct 2012

we combatting the lies in their ads?

since i live in ca, i have no idea except what i read.

ny times today discusses a romney ad in swing states that is
geared to women...plays big time on lies about the
debt/deficit, and says r is not against abortion, etc.

i hope we are combatting these deficit/debt ads with our own?

debt/deficit will go up under R and it was Bush who created the current one:

"2001-08: Republicans, including Ryan, repeatedly vote to increase the deficit during the George Bush administration. This includes votes in favor of two huge tax cuts, two huge wars, and a big Medicare expansion, none of which are paid for.

January 20, 2009: Barack Obama is inaugurated.

October 2009: After nine months of focusing on stimulus and job creation, Obama begins his famous "pivot" toward long-term deficit reduction.

January 2010: A Senate proposal to create a bipartisan deficit commission is filibustered. Politico explains what happened: "The tepid support from Democratic leaders contributed to the loss, but more decisive was the number of Republicans switching under pressure from their party to block the measure. Six Republicans who had co-sponsored the bill as recently as last month voted against it."

One day later: In his State of the Union address, Obama announces that he'll act on his own: "I've called for a bipartisan fiscal commission, modeled on a proposal by Republican Judd Gregg and Democrat Kent Conrad....Yesterday, the Senate blocked a bill that would have created this commission. So I'll issue an executive order that will allow us to go forward, because I refuse to pass this problem on to another generation of Americans." This is the birth of the Bowles-Simpson Commission.

March 2010: Republicans appoint six members to the commission. One of them is Paul Ryan.

December, 2010: The Bowles-Simpson commission fails to agree on a plan. All three of the House Republican appointees vote against it, including Paul Ryan.

July 9, 2011: House Speaker John Boehner abandons negotiations with President Obama over an ambitious plan to cut the deficit by $4 trillion. The Washington Post explains why: "Boehner (R-Ohio) told Obama that their plan to 'go big'....was crumbling under Obama’s insistence on significant new tax revenue." One of the key opponents of compromise on taxes was Paul Ryan.

July 22, 2011: Boehner abandons yet another set of deficit negotiations when it becomes clear that House Republicans won't support tax increases of any kind. Sam Stein quotes a Republican aide explaining that Ryan was, once again, one of the key opponents: "There were certain people ... who thought the pursuit of the grand bargain was a useless pursuit because it could never pass anyway. Ryan was one of them. Ryan is opposed to tax increases."

August 2012: The Romney/Ryan campaign explicitly endorses tax cuts, but declines to take a stand on how they would pay for this by closing tax loopholes. The campaign also explicitly rejects any cuts in defense spending. Their Medicare plan proposes no cuts at all for a decade, and after that it proposes the same growth rate cap as Obamacare. However, unlike Obamacare, it doesn't include any plausible mechanisms for meeting that cap. Social Security reform is not addressed at all."

from mother jones

WI_DEM

(33,497 posts)
9. Thanks! I also think the job numbers today on Gallup are telling
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 01:57 PM
Oct 2012

50/44 positive Obama--three day sample.

Dawson Leery

(19,348 posts)
12. The final results
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 02:03 PM
Oct 2012

Gallup was off by: Gore +8.5, Bush -3.2

Final Result:
Gore: 48.4%
Bush: 47.9%

Gallup was off by 11.6%.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
13. They Were Only Off By 2.5% Or So In Their Final Poll
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 02:13 PM
Oct 2012

My larger point is they weren't doing a good job of actually portraying the race.

RobinA

(9,888 posts)
14. Zogby
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 02:14 PM
Oct 2012

was the only major pollster who called that one correctly. If I remember correctly, and I'm pretty sure I do.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
22. Zogby Lucked Out
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 03:59 PM
Oct 2012

His final CA poll had Gore up by only 1%. He won it by 11% or 12%. Without a blow out win in CA, Gore would have certainly lost the pop vote. He won CA by > 1,300,000 votes. He won the U.S.A. by 500,000 or so. Do the math. A close win in CA and his pop vote victory disappears.

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