2016 Postmortem
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(1,748 posts)PeoViejo
(2,178 posts)...Tokyo Rose Propaganda.
SMC22307
(8,090 posts)
Shut off that judybox! I cant hear myself a-speechin!
LexVegas
(6,962 posts)
Blue_In_AK
(46,436 posts)Moo.
LibDemAlways
(15,139 posts)dchill
(42,660 posts)Also incredibly wrong.
Viva_La_Revolution
(28,791 posts)reformist2
(9,841 posts)2banon
(7,321 posts)some will , many won't.
You might want to reconsider that "fall in line" edict by the way,
It isn't actually a very persuasive rhetorical devise. pretty much has the opposite effect, in fact,.
Jackie Wilson Said
(4,176 posts)Trying to appeal to reasonable Bernie supporters and tell them they must vote Democratic no matter what.
Or #votebluenomatterwho
Etc
But when you post these unsubstantiated stories and comments it makes our job harder.
yardwork
(69,643 posts)I really am not seeing a problem here. I gave it a rec.
grossproffit
(5,591 posts)hellofromreddit
(1,182 posts)If people feel insulted then they'll respond as if they have been insulted.
Insulted people are hard to win over.
yardwork
(69,643 posts)TDale313
(7,822 posts)Snotcicles
(9,089 posts)choie
(6,997 posts)more like Daily Trash Bin
left-of-center2012
(34,195 posts)Your journal is full of pro-Hillary stuff.
grossproffit's Journal
http://www.democraticunderground.com/~grossproffit
grossproffit
(5,591 posts)I'm pretty transparent.
Avalux
(35,015 posts)Bernie is the same as he always was no matter how much pro-Hillary media wants to turn him into a defeated, bitter and angry person. This is the sort of character assassination the GOP engages in; sad to see Dems doing the same thing.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)And it makes sense, since she's the right-wing candidate. It's just sad to see so many alleged progressives playing the same game.
revbones
(3,660 posts)Simply just pro-Hillary propaganda outfits now. Nothing of value and undeserving of any responses.
highprincipleswork
(3,111 posts)I truly wish the Clinton campaign did not use vehicles like this. I truly feel the corporate takeover of the Democratic Party is just as dangerous to my welfare as Donald Trump, partly because it's more subtle and apparently downright invisible to many people.
marions ghost
(19,841 posts)uponit7771
(93,532 posts)... mostly in front of a majority white electorate in the north.
That's when I saw that this guy wasn't going to run an up and up campaign
aikoaiko
(34,214 posts)noretreatnosurrender
(1,890 posts)If this is where they get their news it explains a lot.
HassleCat
(6,409 posts)Between your user name and your message.
grossproffit
(5,591 posts)I do like cats.
anotherproletariat
(1,446 posts)He is becoming too invested in the ego part of running for president, and his message just doesn't sound as sincere anymore. (I will openly admit that it takes ego for anyone to mount a presidential run, but in the case of a populist, it just doesn't go over well.)
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)grossproffit
(5,591 posts)He's so vibrant and youthful. I think he's cute too.
Surya Gayatri
(15,445 posts)Response to anotherproletariat (Reply #16)
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2banon
(7,321 posts)talk about self projection! whoah!
arcane1
(38,613 posts)We weren't born yesterday
imagine2015
(2,054 posts)
And he's really tense!
yardwork
(69,643 posts)Finally, though, it's not so much the tone of Sanders' campaign that bothers me but the inherent disconnect between his claim to run as "the honest candidate," while his campaign promises are so dishonest.
As a longtime senator, Sanders knows damn well that no president will get "free college" or single payer or $15 minimum wage passed by Congress anytime in the next decade. It's inherently dishonest to promise these things to people who are hurting, while castigating Hillary for not promising them, when Sanders knows that the promises are impossible to fulfill.
He does this while running as the "pure" candidate. I don't like it.
redstateblues
(10,565 posts)It almost worked. I'm sure it will be tried again
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)she is so much better qualified it's not even a reasonable choice.
But yes, promising things you know you cannot deliver is a pet peeve of mine both in and outside of politics.
PowerToThePeople
(9,610 posts)Trash thread.
pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)Of course I understand your problem, . . . which position on a given issue would you defend? It depends on the polling her handlers get as to what position she has. But just look at the history. . . . I want to hear about Honduras and many others. . where are those transcripts, wow!!
sibelian
(7,804 posts)They have to wait and see what she says this time.
Karmadillo
(9,253 posts)think her propaganda outlets would be nicer to him.
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)sibelian
(7,804 posts)And you wouldn't like to think of yourself as beng THAT sort of person would you?
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)eom
Lil Missy
(17,865 posts)riversedge
(81,541 posts)Happy Spring

Vinca
(54,330 posts)Hillary should be grateful he's remaining in the race. It gives the media something to talk about other than all of Hillary's baggage. That will come next, of course, if she is the nominee. The GOP hasn't even started warming up yet for those attacks.
riversedge
(81,541 posts)X-posed.
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Sally Field talks with Howard Stern about Bernie Sanders: 'He's losing his decency' #ImWithHer via @siriusxm
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http://linkis.com/blog.siriusxm.com/20/7VBfB
Sally Field on Bernie Sanders: Hes losing his decency
Doric Sam
March 14, 2016
Two-time Oscar Award-winning actress Sally Field stopped by The Howard Stern Show for the first time on Monday to discuss her new film, Hello, My Name Is Doris. But things got much deeper than just the new project Field is promoting. She also touched on her political views, saying that she is hoping for Hillary Clinton to receive the Democratic nomination.
http://linkis.com/blog.siriusxm.com/20/7VBfB
............Field went on to say that as the campaign has drawn on and tensions between the two candidates have grown stronger, she no longer sees Sanders the same way.
To me, hes losing my respect because at first I had a great deal of respect for him and now I just see him being hungry for his own achievement against the things he was really fighting for and how important it is now to have at least one party thats acting in a civil fashion, Field said. I dont want to see him yelling at anybody, at her, oh God no, not at her. Theyre talking about real issues and really important things, and I think hes losing his decency in this.
She continued, At the beginning I thought, ................
Vinca
(54,330 posts)Bernie is turning into a bad, bad man???????
"They like me! They really like me!"
riversedge
(81,541 posts)
Vinca
(54,330 posts)riversedge
(81,541 posts)dogman
(6,073 posts)"Hungry for his own achievement"? He's been around way to long for that shit. He has a long history and his message is consistent, not poll tested. Compare that to Hillary's history. It would be a great roller coaster design.
bkkyosemite
(5,792 posts)"desperate, failing, dishonest, bitter days of his once uniquely high-minded Presidential campaign."
" his most rabidly angry supporters "
Kip Humphrey
(4,753 posts)the most honest, authentic human being in the US Senate.
Maybe, try talking positions on issues? Oh, wait! That fails even worse for you Hillary true believers because you have no idea what you believe in or even what Hillary espouses at any given moment.
Try again, fail. Try again.
DavidDvorkin
(20,684 posts)His campaign is a giant con game.
dogman
(6,073 posts)As opposed to milking the Wall Street elite.
MaggieD
(7,393 posts)His main goal is clearly to tear down the Democratic party. He's not stupid. He had to know attacking Obama and the Democratic party wasn't going to win him the nomination voted on by Democratic party voters.
He has used his followers to get back at Dems, who he is bitter against because they have never signed on to his pie in the sky proposals. I pity those that have emptied their bank accounts to advance his petty vendettas.
DemocratSinceBirth
(102,007 posts)I am of two minds about threads like these...And as one of the most stalwart Clinton defenders on this board I feel I have standing. Threads like this don't create comity. On the proverbial other hand it's an antidote against all the crap, including the beating of the cynical indictment drum, spewed by her opponents.
As Sista Souljah rapped "two wrongs don't make a right but they damn sure make us even."
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Broward
(1,976 posts)Downwinder
(12,869 posts)AZ Progressive
(3,411 posts)CentralMass
(16,994 posts)redwitch
(15,273 posts)Little_Wing
(417 posts)When you think the desperation has reached DefCon One, you realize you're wrong. Again.
Carry on!
99Forever
(14,524 posts)We're not "going out." The Revolution is on, no matter how much Hillary and her cronies cheat, lie, smear, and steal.
That's where I stopped reading your bunk.
Bub Bye.
Autumn Colors
(2,379 posts)Bernie's not going anywhere. With continued donations and support, he can stay in right up until the convention in Philly.
Wishful thinking on the part of this writer from a Hillary propaganda blog.
Dems to Win
(2,161 posts)If Trump is the second coming of Mussolini, what are the Clintons doing hanging out with him and going to his wedding?
And how do the Democrats think they can beat the monster by running one of Trump's wedding guests against him?

arcane1
(38,613 posts)These idiots act like no thinking person is reading their nonsense
Viva_La_Revolution
(28,791 posts)are those who are fooled by such blatant tripe as this
Billsmile
(404 posts)To illustrate media bias to students. Bill Palmer's articles consistently favor Clinton over Sanders. See for yourself. Be sure to look at scores of articles.
http://www.dailynewsbin.com/author/bill-palmer/
I had to go back 82 articles to find a Clinton and/or Sanders piece that wasn't pro Clinton and/or anti Sanders. Here's the first non negative Sanders article, 82 posts deep.
http://www.dailynewsbin.com/news/republicans-dishonestly-edit-video-to-make-it-appear-bernie-sanders-bailed-on-town-hall-early/23876/
mikehiggins
(5,614 posts)Blue_In_AK
(46,436 posts)I hardly ever use this one but
arcane1
(38,613 posts)Kittycat
(10,493 posts)It's okay to demand better. It's okay to stand up to the corporations and say Not this time. Not this year!
I remember a young Senator from my state once gave a great speech. I remember watching him closely, hearing the words he spoke, and feeling them move through me so strongly - that they become more than words. Those words gave meaning and life to my beliefs that it was possible to stand up for what we believe in. To fight for it, against the odds. To work with others, despite the differences, and to believe that things could be better. Below is most of that Senator's speech, emphasis my own. He has quite a few lofty ideas in there, that I believe we still need to push for - many of the ideas I see Sanders pushing for today. I'm tired of being told why I need to settle, why I need to accept my government cheese sandwich and get to the back of the line. I don't need to settle, Hillary has had her day - and to continue to force failed policies by failed politicians is not going to work this time. You should have heeded Obama's words the first time around, instead of trying to force-feed people this time. His words ring as true today, as they did back then.
No, Sanders is not Obama, but Hillary is still Hillary - only she's revealed herself to be worse in the years that have followed. Sanders is offering us redirection to the left with an opportunity to build on some of the very policies that Obama spoke of in 2008. It's time to end the Status Quo. It's time to focus our energy and resources back to rebuilding our country, and the middle/working class and lifting the poor out of poverty. That's worth more to me than any triangulated talking point Hillary is bringing to the table.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/05/us/politics/05text-obama.html?_r=0
You're tired of hearing promises made and plans proposed in the heat of a campaign, only to have nothing change when everyone goes back to Washington. (Cheers, applause.)
Nothing changes because lobbyists just write another check or politicians start worrying about how to win the next election instead of why they should -- (cheers, applause) -- or because they focus on who's up and who's down instead of who matters.
And while Washington is consumed with the same drama and divisions and distractions, another family puts up a "For sale" sign in their front yard, another factory shuts its doors, another soldier waves goodbye as he leaves on another tour of duty in a war that should have never been authorized and should have never been waged -- (cheers, applause) -- that goes on and on and on. (Cheers, applause.)
But in this election, at this moment, you are standing up all across this country to say, "Not this time" -- (cheers) -- "not this year."
The stakes are too high and the challenges too great to play the same Washington game with the same Washington players and somehow expect a different result. This time must be different. This time we have to turn the page. This time we have to write a new chapter in American history. (Cheers, applause.) This time we have to seize the moment. (Cheers, applause.)
Now, this isn't about me and it's not about Senator Clinton. As I've said before, she was a friend before this campaign. She'll be a friend after it's over. (Cheers.) I respect her. I respect her as a colleague. I congratulate her on her victories tonight. She's been running an outstanding race.
But this fall, this fall we owe the American people a real choice. (Cheers, applause.) We have to choose between change and more of the same. We have to choose between looking backwards and looking forward. (Cheers, applause.) We have to choose between our future and our past.
It's a choice between going into this election with Republicans and independents already united against us or going against their nominee with a campaign that has united Americans of all parties, from all backgrounds, from all races, from all religions, around a common purpose. (Cheers, applause.)
It's a choice between having a debate with the other party about who has the most experience in Washington or having one about who's most likely to change Washington -- (cheers, applause) -- because that's a debate that we can win. (Cheers, applause.)
It's a choice between a candidate who's taken more money from Washington lobbyists than either Republican in this race and a campaign that has not taken a dime of their money because we have been funded by you. You have funded this campaign. (Cheers, applause.)
(Chants of "Yes, We Can! Yes, We Can!"![]()
And if I am your nominee, my opponent will not be able to say that I voted for the war in Iraq, because I didn't -- (cheers) -- or that I gave George Bush the benefit of the doubt on Iran, because I haven't -- (cheers, applause) -- or that I support the Bush-Cheney doctrine of not talking to leaders we don't like, because I profoundly disagree with that approach. (Cheers, applause.) And he will not be able to say that I wavered on something as fundamental as whether or not it's okay for America to use torture, because it's never okay. That is the choice in this election. (Cheers, applause.)
The Republicans running for president have already tied themselves to the past. They speak of a 100-year war in Iraq. They talk about billions more in tax breaks for the wealthiest few, who don't need them and didn't even ask for them, tax breaks that mortgage our children's future on a mountain of debt at a time when there are families who can't pay their medical bills and students who can't pay their tuition. (Cheers, applause.)
Those Republicans are running on the politics of yesterday. And that is why our party must be the party of tomorrow. (Cheers, applause.) And that is the party that I intend to lead as president of the United States of America. (Cheers, applause.)
I'll be the president who ends the tax breaks to companies that ship our jobs overseas -- (cheers) -- and start putting them in the pockets of hard-working Americans who deserve them, and struggling homeowners who deserve them and seniors who should retire with dignity and respect, and deserve them. (Cheers, applause.)
I'll be the president who finally brings Democrats and Republicans together to make health care affordable and available for every single American. (Cheers, applause.)
We will put a college education within the reach of anyone who wants to go. (Cheers, applause.) And instead of just talking about how great our teachers are, we will reward them for their greatness with more pay and better support. (Cheers, applause.)
And we will harness the ingenuity of farmers and scientists and entrepreneurs to free this nation from the tyranny of oil once and for all. (Cheers, applause.) And we will invest in solar and wind and biodiesel, clean energy, green energy that can fuel economic development for generations to come. That's what we're going to do when I'm president of the United States. (Cheers, applause.)
When I'm president, we will put an end to the politics of fear -- (cheers, applause) -- a politics that uses 9/11 as a way to scare up votes. We're going to start seeing 9/11 as a challenge that should unite America and the world against the common threats of the 21st century, terrorism and nuclear weapons, climate change and poverty, genocide and disease. (Cheers, applause.)
We can do this. (Cheers, applause.) We can do this.
(Crowd says in unison, "Yes, we can."![]()
But it will not be easy. It will require struggle and it will require sacrifice. There will be setbacks, and we will make mistakes. And that is why we need all the help we can get. (Cheers, applause.)
So tonight I want to speak directly to all those Americans who have yet to join this movement but still hunger for change. They know it in their gut. They know we can do better than we're doing. They know that we can take our politics to a higher level. But they're afraid. They've been taught to be cynical. They're doubtful that it can be done.
But I'm here to say tonight to all of you who still harbor those doubts, we need you. (Cheers, applause.) We need you to stand with us. (Cheers, applause.) We need you to work with us. (Cheers, applause.) We need you to help us prove that together, ordinary people can still do extraordinary things in the United States of America. (Cheers, applause.)
I am blessed to be standing in the city where my own extraordinary journey of service began. (Cheers, applause.) You know, just a few miles from here, down on the south side, in the shadow of a shuttered steel plant, it was there that I learned what it takes to make change happen. I was a young organizer then -- in fact, there are some folks here who I organized with -- a young organizer intent on fighting joblessness and poverty on the south side.
And I still remember one of the very first meetings I put together. We had worked on it for days. We had made phone calls. We had knocked on doors. We had put out fliers. But on that night, nobody showed up. (Laughter.) Our volunteers who had worked so hard felt so defeated, they wanted to quit. And to be honest, so did I. But at that moment, I happened to look outside and I saw some young boys tossing stones at a boarded-up apartment building across the street. They were like the boys in so many cities across the country, little boys, but without prospects, without guidance, without hope for the future. And I turned to the volunteers and I asked them, "Before you quit, before you give up, I want you to answer one question: What will happen to those boys if we don't stand up for them?" (Cheers, applause.)
And those volunteers, they looked out that window and they saw those boys and they decided that night to keep going, to keep organizing, keep fighting for better schools, fighting for better jobs, fighting for better health care. And I did too. And slowly but surely, in the weeks and months to come, the community began to change.
You see, the challenges we face will not be solved with one meeting in one night. It will not be resolved on even a Super Duper Tuesday. Change will not come if we wait for some other person or if we wait for some other time. We are the ones we've been waiting for. (Cheers, applause.) We are the change that we seek. We are the hope of those boys who have so little, who've been told that they cannot have what they dream, that they cannot be what they imagine. Yes, they can. (Cheers, applause.)
We are the hope of the father who goes to work before dawn and lies awake with doubt that tells him he cannot give his children the same opportunities that someone gave him. Yes, he can.
(Crowd says in unison, "Yes, he can."![]()
We are the hope of the woman who hears that her city will not be rebuilt, that she cannot somehow claim the life that was swept away in a terrible storm. Yes, she can.
(Crowd says in unison, "Yes, she can."![]()
We are the hope of the future, the answer to the cynics who tell us our house must stand divided, that we cannot come together, that we cannot remake this world as it should be.
We know that we have seen something happen over the last several weeks, over the past several months. We know that what began as a whisper has now swelled to a chorus that cannot be ignored -- (cheers, applause) -- that will not be deterred, that will ring out across this land as a hymn that will heal this nation -- (cheers, applause) -- repair this world, make this time different than all the rest. Yes, we can.
Let's go to work. Yes, we can. Yes, we can. Yes, we can.
(Chants of "Yes, We Can! Yes, We Can!"![]()
Thank you, Chicago. Let's go get to work. I love you. (Cheers, applause.)
jillan
(39,451 posts)If SHE cannot handle being challenged in a primary, she better drop out now because the goppers are drooling at the chance to run against her in the GE.
Mike Nelson
(10,943 posts)...stuff about Trump's wedding. At the time, I would have gone, too - now, I would toss the invitation in the trash. Bernie should stop asking for Hillary's transcripts, also. These things do not make Bernie look good.
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AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)From Hillary supporters.
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