Bad news: Sanders could win the next seven states after Arizona

[hill2016]

Idaho, Utah, Alaska, Hawaii, Washington, Wisconsin, Wyoming

We don't have a chance to stop him until Hillary's Eastern firewall starts voting in a month's time.

Have courage and fortitude! It's gonna be a rough month from here on out.

[MFM008]

1. He will most likely win my WA

but so what. He can win the next 800 states unless he has the delegates hes not going anywhere.

[msongs]

4. well 4 of those are red states and we are told they don't count lol nt

[Ghost Dog]

32. Yes, it is essential that he wins by sufficient margins everywhere.

So mobilisation needs to be massive, and any and all shenanigans and worse need to be identified, documented and immediately denounced in loud voices, no matter how much chaos ensues.

The state of health of the biosphere and of your (and indirectly, my, of all our) society depends on it.

There won't be another chance. Not until after the disaster.

[DURHAM D]

2. He has already been stopped so not sure what

you are trying to say. He is done. It is over.

[Hortensis]

24. The Obama administration is becoming involved in

the GE, helping our candidates defeat the GOP candidates, and Obama's people expect our candidate for president will be Hillary Clinton.

Not exactly a bunch of amateurs, and not commercial media trying to keep interest in their product pumped up.

Hill, Sanders broke his word and has been running a negative, not inspiring, campaign, so I'd prefer an early decisive win for the sake of the country.

BUT, so it crawls along a bit? Sanders would have to win ALL remaining states by large margins to win the nomination. Instead, with every state he does win but not by enough, he will fall farther and farther and farther behind...

Gotta hoard the courage and fortitude for the GE. Right now, it's just patience that's needed.

[MaggieD]

3. He still won't win the nomination

[Renew Deal]

5. Obama lost 6 of the last 9 primaries in 2008 with a much smaller lead

And it made no difference.

[Fawke Em]

6. How is that bad news?

It's great news if the Democrats want to win in November!

[OriginalGeek]

58. I thought it was pretty good news too

Would certainly be fine with me.

[CaliforniaPeggy]

7. Well, we Sanders supporters see that as good news.

And even if he loses the nomination, he will have shown the country what can be done when you have the courage to try.

[surrealAmerican]

28. ... and he will have demonstrated that there is widespread support ...

... for liberal principles in the US.

[BigBearJohn]

35. Absolutely TRUE

[snowy owl]

8. even a win only means more delegates which is good

But Hillary will get a significant number from some of these states and probably all of them. This election is close. The notion that you "win" when actually your numbers are really close - well, how is that a real win. It simply means that voters are very split. I'm tired of the "win" when close votes. She's had a couple real wins as has he. But the remaining states? I'll wait and see.

I'm hoping for a real WIN but not counting on it.

[KingFlorez]

9. I think Hawaii could go for Clinton

And Wisconsin could be a surprise win.

[Dawson Leery]

12. Don't count out Utah.

[bobbobbins01]

10. Also, he'll win Democrats Abroad

Not sure how many delegates that nets him though.

[Beacool]

11. Meh........

Idaho: 23 delegates

Utah: 33 delegates

Alaska: 16 delegates

Hawaii: 25 delegates

Washington: 101 delegates

Wisconsin: 86 delegates

Wyoming: 14 delegates

Total: 298 delegates

Hillary is currently ahead by 306 delegates. Sanders would have to win every single delegate in those states, an impossibility, and still he wouldn't be ahead of Hillary.

[DURHAM D]

13. spoil sport

[brush]

14. Thank you for dispelling the premise of this uninformed OP

It's all about the delegate math, and that's not even close.

Bernie may "win" some of those states but as we've seen in other close wins, the second place finisher gets nearly as many delegates as the first place vote getter so these sliver margins of victory only propel Clinton closer to number needed to win the nomination.

[Electric Monk]

20. Nah, they're not un-informed, just trolling, based on previous posts I've seen as well. nt

[brush]

22. Agreed. Also the ones with very low post numbers proclaiming that Clinton will lose to Trump badly?

[uponit7771]

48. But but... Crowd size matters dammit!!!! /sarcasm

[Garrett78]

15. Sanders might close the gap by as many as 70 delegates.

But, as you and others suggest, that would only put a dent in Clinton's lead. A lead that will probably be bigger following the Arizona primary.

And then there's NY, PA, MD, etc. I expect Clinton to be ahead by ~400 delegates by the end of April.

[krispos42]

26. Yeah,, that's why Hillary ceded to Obama in April of '08.

Oh, wait...

[stevenleser]

30. You make our point. She should have. It was all wasted effort from that point on. nt

[Beacool]

46. I have never called for him to drop out.

He is entitled to stay until the convention if he wishes. It still won't change the final result.

[NuclearDem]

59. Sanders is trailing Clinton by three times as many delegates as Clinton trailed Obama.

[krispos42]

66. And most of those are superdelegates

Which can change on a dime. They are, after all, unpledged. It's a long way to August.

Frankly, the fact that the centrist superdelegates are leaning so heavily towards Clinton as one of the proofs she's not the best for the job, but that's just my opinion.


People have been throwing up their hands and muttering "it's Clinton, get over it" for the better part of a year now, only now it's getting louder and either smug or desperate.

[NuclearDem]

67. Actually, that number is pledged delegates.

Obama had a 90 PD lead. Clinton has a 300+ PD lead.

[krispos42]

71. I stand corrected

Wikipedia says 1163 to 844.

Still, large numbers of states haven't had a voice yet, Bernie running is not affecting the party in the eyed of the public while Trump is doing his carnival act, and hey, a lot can happen in 5 months.

[RandySF]

16. Hillary will get delegates out of it.

[Historic NY]

19. They can thank Sanders boy wonder Ted Devine for

proportional representation as the exclusive system of delegate allocation in the party uses.

[ebayfool]

17. You know, it's been so long since I've seen a Clinton supporter post something ...

acknowledging that Sanders has an ability to win anything WITHOUT adding snark or putdowns. I really had to refresh a few times to be sure another shoe wasn't gonna drop.

Thank you. Honestly and simply, thank you.

And I will repeat your call, but to both camps ... have courage and fortitude! It's gonna be a rough month from here on out.




Crazy days, aren't they?

[Art_from_Ark]

27. Um, the thread title is full of snark

What else would you call "Bad news-- Bernie could win..."?

[Bucky]

47. I think you'd have to project that interpretation into it

It makes just as much sense if you read it as a straightforward and factual statement. You have to omit what the OP writes immediately after what you quoted in order to get the read you're reaching for. If you really supported Bernie, you'd spend your time phone banking instead of twisting words out of context to provoke an argument with some random stranger.

[ebayfool]

65. TY, Bucky. You get it.

The day you can get rebuked for a sincere attaboy ... is just another day on GD , I guess.

[ebayfool]

63. That was relatively innocuous, compared to most of the stuff we've had posted ...

lately. I really meant what I said. I have been just as partisan at times for Sanders, so I know how easy it is to slip into the snark. The body of the OP was pretty straightforward and I felt it should be acknowledged.

Unfortunately, the thread went to hell in a hand basket immediately after it was posted.

Now. Back to our regularly scheduled shit storm.

[RandySF]

21. Wisconsin could surprise

At minimum, it won't be a blowout. Same goes for Hawaii.

[firebrand80]

23. The margins are what matters

He could win all of those States and still be falling further behind

[Sky Masterson]

25. I don't think Bad means what you think it means

Nominating Clinton is the best way to lose in November.
The Hillary fanatics don't care. Its just her turn to lose like Kerry and Gore did.

[Lucinda]

29. Nonsense. Even I could beat Trump. n/t

[Sky Masterson]

33. You put too much faith in the Electorate.

They gave Bush a second term because we nominated a very uninspiring bore(Kerry).
They gave Bush a First term because we nominated a very uninspiring Gore.
They are about to give us a very uninspiring Hillary.

[Logical]

36. Lol, no, you could not. Nt

[LiberalElite]

31. Awww. the shoe's on the other foot now. Where it will stay BTW nt

[workinclasszero]

34. I think the state of New York has more delegates than all those states combined

When Hillary wins big in New York, the game is over for Bernie.

[DCBob]

37. And after Bernie's big win stretch.. he will still be more than 250 delegates behind.

Then NY, MD, PA.. etc. and we are back up to 300+.

[hill2016]

38. I do hope so

But next month will not look good for us

[workinclasszero]

42. "And after Bernie's big win stretch.. he will still be more than 250 delegates behind."

Then NY, MD, PA...LOL

The primary is over today, right now as a matter of fact.

Lots of people don't realize it yet, but it is.

[Bluenorthwest]

39. It's very good news, not only because Bernie gains delegates but because Hillary's DU supporters are

a nervous bunch and many are already starting to show their motivating biases. A few good States for Bernie will certainly bring out the very best in Clinton supporters and when they let lose with the rhetoric Bernie gains votes like mad. DU the last few days has been an amazing tool for creating Bernie voters. I have been sending a daily digest to my undecided few. The openly anti Jewish materials from those who attacked Bernie for months thinking they were being clever and coy have been a boon to me. I expect Bernie to take Oregon. And much thanks for that will go to the Hillary supporters of DU, their biases and their lack of empathy. Between Nancy Reagan and the open antisemitism it's been a harvest of plenty.

Have a great time, keep writing the stuff that makes my efforts so easy.

[ISUGRADIA]

40. Clinton's numbers just have to be better or equal to 2008

With the delegate lead she has now she can still win by losing. All she has to do is outperform her 2008 numbers see below:

State. 2008. %

IDIdaho. 38
UTUtah 39
AKAlaska 25
HIHawaii 24
WAWashington 46
WIWisconsin 41
WYWyoming 38

[Dawson Leery]

69. She will do much better in most of those contests.

Don't count Hawaii out just yet. The same with Utah.

[Dynamite Dave]

41. Uh, including Arizona.

I'm getting a completely different read in Arizona.

By the time it reaches New York, Bernie will have the strongest momentum and will take New York, Pennsylvania and California, giving him the delegates needed to secure his nomination.

[grossproffit]

43. Welcome to DU!

[brooklynite]

44. According to Bloomberg Politics, Sanders' team has already acknowledged they won't win AZ...

[workinclasszero]

45. Nice

They need to tamp down unrealistic expectations.

[Dawson Leery]

68. Hillary is on the ground.

Still a loss in AZ is bad for Bernie's already floundering campaign.

[MohRokTah]

55. BWAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!

[MohRokTah]

49. He'll still lose on the delegate math.

Every state where he does not make inroads into the delegate math is a loss even if he wins.

No way does he take at least 75 out of 131 delegates tomorrow. And failing that, I don't see how he takes enough delegates the following week to make up the shortfall.

Even Hillary won most of the later races in 2008 but it just wasn't enough to counter the already existing delegate deficit and Hillary leads by three times more delegates now than what she lost by in 2008!

[NuclearDem]

50. Those seven states combined are at around 300 delegates.

New York, which is a closed primary and where Clinton served as senator, has 247 alone.

None of those seven are going to vote for Sanders in margins high enough to lock Clinton out of delegates, and Sanders simply can't afford to blow through eight contests only to put a slight dent in Clinton's lead. There just aren't enough states left for that to be a viable strategy.

Pennsylvania and New York are likely going to erase whatever gains Sanders makes between now and then.

[brush]

61. And remember, Clinton will win delegates too in these upcoming states

Sanders is not going to get 100% sweeps, not even close to that so those contests will move Clinton closer to the needed final tally. And with big states like NY, NJ, PA, and CA coming up, there's not viable path for Sanders to the nomination.

[NuclearDem]

62. April won't be a good month for Sanders.

He might get Wisconsin and Wyoming, but New York, Pennsylvania (both states with more delegates than Wisconsin and Wyoming combined), Maryland, Connecticut, and Rhode Island aren't going to be so kind.

[hill2016]

73. I hope so too!

[villager]

51. Good news!

[LonePirate]

52. ID and UT are not after AZ. Those contests are all on the same day.

[lmbradford]

53. Time to donate again

Every time I see someone post about Bernie needing to quit, I donate. The American people get to decide who wins, nobody else. This is halftime and if his team quits now, it would be ridiculous. Stay in it to win it. Donate, donate, donate.....

[HooptieWagon]

54. Time for the rest of the country to be heard.

Not a good plan to have the Deep South be the sole determination of the nominee.

[Chichiri]

56. By an average of 58%?

That's what he needs.

And yeah, I can see it happening, except maybe in Wisconsin. But he needs to win not just these seven states, but ALL the remaining states by an average of 58%. That means New York, Maryland, Pennsylvania, Puerto Rico, California, New Jersey . . . yeah.

[arcane1]

57. Sounds good to me!

[JackRiddler]

64. Yay! Bad news!

[Lizzie Poppet]

70. Bad news for 1%ers and warmongers.

Good news for the people.

[DCBob]

72. Why are you reposting this??

Odd for a Hillary supporter??