Sanders still dismissing the black vote in the South which voted overwhelmingly for Hillary

[bigtree]

Bernie Sanders on Sunday admitted he had been “creamed” in many southern states by his rival for the Democratic presidential nomination, Hillary Clinton, but said Democrats were “not going to win those states in the general election”.

Sanders, speaking on CBS, was asked about the delegate math that gives Clinton a nigh-insurmountable lead in delegates and superdelegates combined.

Sanders said his campaign had a good path forward even though “the deep south” was “not a strong area for us”, and pointed out that in Illinois and Missouri the campaigns nearly split the delegates available despite Clinton winning the states.

“She creamed us in Mississippi and Louisiana and South Carolina,” he said, before adding that Democrats are “not going to win those states in the general election”.

“As we head to the west coast, which is probably the most progressive part of America, I think as you go forward you’re going to see us doing better and better.”

read: http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/mar/20/bernie-sanders-hillary-clinton-south-west-coast-us-election-2016?CMP=share_btn_tw


I gotta ask. Why would Californians be more progressive than black voters in the South? That's what those voters hear when Sanders turns his back on them and looks to the West for a mini-momentum miracle. There is no 'confederacy' vote in our Democratic primaries in the South, as Sanders surrogates termed the votes there last week.

The reason Sanders has done better outside of the South is the predominance of non-black voters in the Northern states he did well in, with a sprinkle of actual republican votes coming out of open-primaries (unlike the closed Southern primaries).

That said, he's going to find a fair share of minorities and others opposed to his campaign in California who will keep him from establishing little more than parity there with Hillary. It's a mystery why he believes this is his campaign's saving grace. At this point, the North/South and the West/South slams have been disproved in elections in Ohio, Mass., Illinois, Nevada, Missouri. What's the point in poking Southern voters in the eye every time he's looking to recover his losses there?

Why is Sanders already conceding those states to the GOP and ignoring the impact of this important group of voters? Hell, polls this week show that Trump's candidacy even makes Democrats competitive in solidly red states like Utah.

Black voters in the South and elsewhere who are a legacy of the registration efforts of Barack Obama's two-term presidency have given Hillary a resounding lead in delegates. Sanders' strategy is to downplay and dismiss those votes. Is there anything more shortsighted or counterproductive to the efforts of our Democratic coalition?


Propane Jane @docrocktex26
Saying “Hillary only won the Confederacy” isn’t just idiotic — it’s also bad for the Dem Party http://www.salon.com/2016/03/19/saying_hillary_only_won_the_confederacy_isnt_just_idiotic_its_also_bad_for_the_democratic_party/ …

[NWCorona]

1. Still at it huh?

[arcane1]

4. Baiters gotta bait n/t

[NWCorona]

5. Yup!

[uponit7771]

37. Repeating Sanders own words with context?! Yeap, gonna keep at it too k? thx

[NWCorona]

39. I'd expect nothing less

[seabeyond]

2. Ego. Nt

[msanthrope]

114. This. nt

[arcane1]

3. The west coast is more progressive than the south. Period.

It's not rocket science.

[bigtree]

6. he's comparing them to what he KNOWS is the overwhelming black vote in the South

...which voted for Hillary.

He's not speaking in the abstract. He's using the Western and Northern voters as a wedge against these Democrats in the South.

[arcane1]

7. Whatever you need to say to make yourself feel... whatever it is you're trying to feel.

[bigtree]

8. no, goddamn it. None of this makes me 'feel better'

...and after months of this, the Sanders campaign and supporters haven't gotten the clue.

Trifling with such a dependable and dedicated group of voters isn't some virtue, it's wrong and lousy politics, besides.

[Ken Burch]

101. He has changed his message totally.

Black voters are not demanding that Bernie end his campaign, for God's sakes.

[Ken Burch]

102. It's not anti-southern black for Bernie to try to do better among POC on the West Coast

Nor is it hostile to southern blacks for Bernie to keep running.

His antiracist message is stronger than HRC's now.

And she wouldn't have ended her campaign if Bernie had carried black voters in the South.

Super Tuesday was not the end of the race.

[Setsuna1972]

111. I beg to differ

I was insulted when there were numerous posts here saying that the South should be ignored.

[uponit7771]

38. Not in the context of democrats but go ahead keep telling yourselves what you want to hear no matter

... how wingerishly made up it is

[yardwork]

94. Democrats in CA are not more progressive than Democrats in SC

It's somewhat surprising for a presidential candidate to say such a dumb thing.

[KingFlorez]

9. His numbers include some conservative states

Kansas, Nebraska and Oklahoma are hardly progressive bastions, so this line of reasoning is not a smart one for him. And if we talk about the south, he lost most of the more liberal counties down there and did best in the most conservative ones (save for Buncombe in North Carolina), so it's really a moot point to play the red vs. blue card. He won a majority in the most conservative county in Florida despite losing big statewide.

[Vattel]

24. He beat Hillary in SC with "very liberal" voters.

[KingFlorez]

29. So? He still did his best in the most conservative counties in the state

[Vattel]

34. If he can win with "very liberal voters" even in SC, that should tell you something.

[uponit7771]

43. That there aren't enough "very liberal" voters for him to win the primary? tia

[Vattel]

84. that does seem to be a problem

[uponit7771]

42. He did not beat her with "liberal" voters overall... nor with democrats overall. Nice try though

[Vattel]

86. But he did beat her with very liberal voters, which is what I said.

Too bad SC is not more progressive.

[uponit7771]

40. Sanders Camp response: ....HEY !!! ....HEY!!! This is a no fact zone dammit!!

[RANGERMAN89]

115. Fact free zone?

Is that what they call the podium Hillary Clinton stands behind during debates.

[NWCorona]

12. Not happening

[RANGERMAN89]

15. Hahahhahahahha

Coming from someone who is supporting the wife of the man who started the democratic party on a path to being the second republican party favoring the so called "New winners" over the working class people who built the party. Also Bernie is "destroying the party" but meanwhile the head of the party DWS(close friend of Hillary) is defending payday lenders who are notorious for putting poor and usually African American workers in a vicious cycle of debt is a brave democrat who is sticking to her principles and the vision of the party. Man this celebrity worship for Clinton and her fellow DINO's while denying all the evidence that our party is becoming more corrupt is ridiculous.

[George II]

17. Well sir, the majority of the Democratic Party agrees with "the wife of the man.....yadda yadda"...

so clearly, here in America, the will of the people will prevail.

And Secretary Clinton is supporting the Party by raising tens of millions of dollars for local and state Democratic candidates.

Sanders, on the other hand, hasn't raised a penny.

The rest of what you're going on about closely resembles right wing talking points.

[kristopher]

22. "the majority of the Democratic Party agrees"?

That's because the aforementioned husband and wife, along with their able assistant, have driven most traditional Democrats out of the party.

We're coming to take it back for the liberals. It's our party and we aren't going to let the economic conservative lapdogs of Wall Street have it.

[RANGERMAN89]

107. Oh wow

It is a FACT that DWS is defending payday lenders against the organization set up by Obama. God RW "talking point" like I said the celebrity worship blinds you people. Also look up the history of the DLC everything I have stated is a FACT.

[George II]

108. In what manner is she "defending" payday lenders? I think you missed something in that article.

[RANGERMAN89]

109. Please

She is working with republicans to pass a bill that lets them ignore the consumer protection bureau as long as they pass their own restrictions. You and DWS might trust the republicans over Warren but if that is the case then which one of us is repeating RW talking points.

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

30. How does she accumulate 10 hides without getting a kick from the pizza boot?

[cherokeeprogressive]

41. 10 hides in a SINGLE MONTH.

SMDH.

[Autumn]

83. Simple answer. Because Bernie is not Hillary.

[Marr]

96. Yeah, it's odd, isn't it. /nt

[hrmjustin]

11. I don't expect much from Sanders.

[R B Garr]

13. He's even calling it the "Deep South", as an apparent code word.

Hmm, whatever could he be getting at? What would Deep South as opposed to "South" mean other than a divisive term...

[Dawgs]

21. LOL! The deep south is used all of the time, and never for the way you're implying.

BTW, I live in the "Deep South".

[R B Garr]

66. LOL yourself! "Deep South" is obviously a regional denotation with implications

that are obvious. Sanders himself has indicated as much with his further comments about Clinton's wins there. LOL!

[redstateblues]

77. I've lived in three southern states.

I never hear it called that

[Hissyspit]

32. Hunh?

[Autumn]

14. Bernie's right.

[uponit7771]

44. Nah, he did his best in conservative counties

[Autumn]

47. You know that's not true. Look at their politicians and the DINOS they elect and then tell me

those states are Liberal.

[Autumn]

59. Facts DO matter as you stated to me earlier. You don't get to makeup your own facts.

Mississippi, red state. Louisiana red state, in fact Romney won over Barack Obama by a margin of 58% to 41% in 2012. South Carolina, red state. Those are facts, for you to say Bernie does better in conservative areas is ridiculous.
Don't piss in my ear and tell me it's raining. I can tell the difference. Edited to ask what the hell do you mean by

Kansas and OK, redest states ever since civil war and not full of the "others"?

Never mind responding , I know exactly what that post is, it's becoming a real habit here with some posters as we have been finding out with some posts being exposed.

Star Member uponit7771 (27,620 posts) Response to Autumn (Reply #59)Mon Mar 21, 2016, 03:03 PM
61. Kansas and OK, redest states ever since civil war and not full of the "others"? tia

[uponit7771]

61. Kansas and OK, redest states ever since civil war and not full of the "others"? tia

[Autumn]

67. I adressed what Bernie said that article the OP posted, I don't see anything about Kansas and OK

in the article. If you want to discuss those states then by all means start and OP on them and I may or may not decide to respond, but most likely not after the way you self deleted your replies to me.

“She creamed us in Mississippi and Louisiana and South Carolina,” he said, before adding that Democrats are “not going to win those states in the general election”.

[Bluenorthwest]

87. CA is whiter than OK. OK has the largest percentage of Native Americans of any of the 50 continental

United States. Of course you don't think about them, so you keep repeating a denial of their existence to suit your narrative. Bernie won the OK Native American vote. He will continue to do so in other States, such as Alaska which has a large population of Native Alaskan people.
I'm not so sure this high horse you ride is rightfully yours.

[EndElectoral]

16. What did he say that was inaccurate? We're not going to win those states? Look at the last 50 years

since the Civil Rights Legislation passed. It's a rarity when we take any unless a landslide.

Lyndon Johnson was right. "We have lost the South for a generation."

[Chitown Kev]

18. The South as a bloc, yes

Carter won the solid South, Clinton won portions of the South, and Obama won Virginia, North Carolina (2008) and Florida (all three are battleground states and Georgia will be approaching battleground status shortly).

The entire Eastern seaboard will be ripe for the plucking in another couple of cycles.

[DCBob]

20. Why didn't he say something like..

"Its unfortunate my message didn't resonate with the good Democrats in the south. I think perhaps if I had a bit more time I could have connected with them. I am certain my message is better than my opponent's no matter what region in the US."

Rather he choose to dismiss the entire region as unimportant.

[Dawgs]

25. Why does the OP mention "black voters"? n/t

[bigtree]

28. because of the overwhelming number of those voters who supported Hillary

...essentially providing her with the early and formidable margin of votes and delegates.

It's the untold story of this election, with what are essentially Obama coalition voters asserting their voting power which was energized and expanded with the two elections of the nation's first black president.

I'm left wondering why this isn't mentioned more, instead of brushed past and dismissed, as Sanders and his supporters have repeatedly done after each loss there.

[uponit7771]

45. Because Sanders is mostly resonating with white male voters? You know, the coalition that HRC

... lost with in 2008 and is deeper into loss numbers now than then?

The real revolution is happening in the DNC and the establishment is having its temper tantrum, they'll get over it soon

[Autumn]

80. I had saved this a while back from The Hill. I found it interesting.

WASHINGTON
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MINNESOTA
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OREGON
Voted for Democratic president in last seven elections; two Democratic senators; four out of five House representatives are Democrats; past three governors have been Democrats; Democratic-controlled Legislature.
CALIFORNIA
Voted for Democratic president in last six elections; two Democratic senators; 38 out of 53 House representatives are Democrats; two out of past three governors have been Democrats; Democratic-controlled Legislature.
RHODE ISLAND
Voted for Democratic president in last seven elections; two Democratic senators; two out of two House representatives are Democrats; past three governors have been Republicans (current governor is Independent from 2007 to 2013); Democratic-controlled Legislature.
NEW YORK
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MASSACHUSETTS
Voted for Democratic president in last seven elections; two Democratic senators; nine out of nine House representatives are Democrats; two out of past three governors have been Republicans; Democratic-controlled Legislature.
MARYLAND
Voted for Democratic president in last six elections; two Democratic senators; seven out of eight House representatives are Democrats; two out of past three governors have been Democrats; Democratic-controlled Legislature.
MICHIGAN
Voted for Democratic president in six out of last seven elections; two Democratic senators; five out of 14 House representatives are Democrats; two out of past three governors have been Republican; Republican-controlled Legislatures.
WISCONSIN
Voted for Democratic president in last seven elections; one Republican senator and one Democratic senator; three out of eight House representatives are Democrats; two out of past three governors have been Republicans; Republican-controlled Legislature.
MAINE
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ILLINOIS
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HAWAII
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CONNECTICUT
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VERMONT
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NEW JERSEY
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DELAWARE
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IOWA
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PENNSYLVANIA
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NEW MEXICO
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NEW HAMPSHIRE
Voted for Democratic president in five of last seven elections; one Democrat senator and one Republican senator; two out of two House representatives are Democrats; two out of past three governors have been Democrats; split control of Legislature.
NEVADA
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OHIO
Voted for Democratic president in four of last seven elections; one Republican senator and one Democratic senator; 12 out of 16 House representatives are Republicans; two out of past three governors have been Republicans; Republican-controlled Legislature.
WEST VIRGINIA
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COLORADO
Voted for Republican president in four of last seven elections; two Democratic senators; four out of seven House representatives are Republican; two out of past three governors have been Democrats; Democratic-controlled Legislature.
FLORIDA
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VIRGINIA
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MISSOURI
Voted for Republican president in five of last seven elections; one Republican senator and one Democratic senator; six of eight House representatives are Republicans; two of past three governors have been Democrats; Republican-controlled Legislature.
ARKANSAS
Voted for Republican president in five of last seven elections; one Republican senator and one Democratic senator; four out of four House representatives are Republicans; two of past three governors have been Democrats; Republican-controlled Legislature.
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LOUISIANA
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TENNESSEE
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INDIANA
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MONTANA
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NORTH CAROLINA
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GEORGIA
Voted for Republican president in six of seven last elections; two Republican senators; nine out of 14 House representatives are Republican; two out of past three governors have been Republicans; Republican-controlled Legislature.
ARIZONA
Voted for Republican president in six of seven last elections; two Republican senators; five out of nine House representatives are Democrats; two out of past three governors have been Republicans; Republican-controlled Legislature.
SOUTH DAKOTA
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NORTH DAKOTA
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SOUTH CAROLINA
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WYOMING
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UTAH
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OKLAHOMA
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MISSISSIPPI
Voted for Republican president in last seven elections; two Republican senators; three out of four House representatives are Republicans; two out of past three governors have been Republicans; Republican-controlled Legislature.
KANSAS
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IDAHO
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ALASKA
Voted for Republican president in last seven elections; one Republican senator and one Democratic senator; one and only House representative is Republican; past three governors have been Republicans; Republican-controlled Legislature.
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http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/house-races/221721-how-red-or-blue-is-your-state

[EndElectoral]

85. Thanks for some reality. It's a "grown up" look at actual voting.

[Armstead]

19. Oh please, give it a rest

[Vattel]

26. It does get tiresome, doesn't it?

[Dawgs]

23. Where does he mention the "black voter"?

There are many of us white Democrats in the South. Why exclude us in your attack?

[panader0]

27. I read the statement by Sanders and do not see the word "black"

These posts of yours make me wish MOM was still in the race.

[bigtree]

31. the answer is apparent to so many people outside of this forum that it's almost embarrassing

...to read these obtuse responses pretending not to know that black voters didn't make up the majority of the votes Sanders is dismissing, and his supporters are labeling 'conservative' and 'confederate.'

The fact that so many Sanders supporters (and the candidate) appear so oblivious to the importance of the black turnout in this primary, is as good a reason as any for those voters to reject the Sanders campaign.

[panader0]

35. I truly do not believe that Sanders or his supporters are oblivious to the importance

of the black turnout. The notion that Bernie or his supporters are somehow racist is absurd.
The idea that the South is "confederate" is silly too. Some posters have pointed out that those states will not
be blue in November. That may well be true, but that has no racial bias. I believe that most POC in the South will vote for the Democratic candidate in November, no matter which one.

[uponit7771]

46. Strawman, no one said they were racist just dismissive as he has been since the beginning of his...

.... campaign in regards to PoC social issues and now its coming home to roost

The real revolution is being lead by Clinton, the establishment is now ceding power in the DNC and that changes is good and hopeful

[panader0]

50. Many, many HRC supporters on this site have called Sanders supporters racist.

[uponit7771]

51. Some of them have been overtly racist and with willing supporters to rec their overtly racist ...

... threads.

That's a fact that's not in dispute

I don't think anyone is calling all Sanders supporters racist though, I don't see that at all

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

90. You're losing your mind. The stress of supporting Hillary is getting to you!

[bigtree]

98. blocked

...much better now.

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

103. Blocked! (Guess I struck a nerve)... tee hee

Much MUCH better now!

[tularetom]

33. He's being totally honest and practical

Democratic presidential candidates do not have to spend a lot of time appealing to African American voters in the south because (a) what other choice do they have, vote republican? and (b) black voters are a minority of general election voters and the Democrat party isn't going to get any electoral votes from that region anyway.

If you honestly believe that nominee Hillary Clinton is going to spend any time at all in the deep south chasing black votes that she will get anyway, I fear that you will be disappointed.

[uponit7771]

36. Who the in the HELL is running this guys campaign?! He sounds like someone with a REDDIT account !!!

[Renaissance Man]

48. I find nothing wrong with Bernie deciding to write off black Southern voters.

I'm black, male, a Democrat, southern, and voted for Bernie Sanders. If black Southern voters decided to honestly look at Hillary Clinton's record as it relates to the community (and honestly contrasted that with Bernie's record with the wealth of YouTube videos, news articles, etc.) and voted for Hillary anyway, then good riddance.

It's disgusting what was done by Hillary's campaign with John Lewis, the CBC, and Delores Huerta. Frankly, that was the final straw in any Democrat expecting me to cast a vote for Hillary in the general election (should she win the primary). Honestly, I'm embarrassed that she even won any state with black support, and I have no problem with Bernie deciding to focus his attention elsewhere.

[uponit7771]

53. LOL ... a "progressive" campaign that's mostly homogeneous racially in a non homogeneous party

... lol... sigh.

REVOLUTION !!! ***

*** except for those people

[Renaissance Man]

54. I don't get your post.

I don't get how your post actually addresses the substance of what I wrote. Playground taunts are cool, but I left the sand box a long time ago.

[uponit7771]

56. "writing" off the marginalized isn't progressive in any way, Sanders isn't a progressive he's angry

... and a lot of the establishment are angry with him

[Zira]

75. This is what Hillary did that bugs me. Her people infiltrated Sander's campaign and hurt it

On his Face book page, he traced these people who were working for the Bernie Campaign and sabotaging it to Hillary people.

He found them in a picture as upper level people for her. They basically didn't pay bills, and fled these states and then showed up in more states and when the Bernie supporters warned about them they were kicked out of the campaign by the same people. Let me go get the other Video where he exposes them as in Hillary's campaign. The Bernie campaign hired them because they said they were Bernie Supporters. They were frauds.

3 videos now. https://www.facebook.com/nikoforthepeople/?fref=nf

[ebayfool]

95. Replying so I can find this easier at a later time.

I would like to delve into it further, and he has some interesting points. TY!

[Kelvin Mace]

52. When did Dems last win

LA, SC and MS?

The statement is factual and has nothing to do with race.

[uponit7771]

55. 2016, a real democrat won those states in the primary which is his context so... yeah, Sanders is

... doubling down on being dismissive of the "others"...

again

[Kelvin Mace]

57. The presidential elections have already occurred?

I did not know that.

[uponit7771]

60. There's a difference between primary and general election, its sad that some Sanders supporters

... don't know the difference.

Could it be the reason why he's losing so bad?

maybe?

tia

[Kelvin Mace]

62. Gosh, we are talking about Sanders, a presidential candidate,

pointing out that although he lost in those three states. Those states are highly unlikely to be relevant to winning the White House for the Dems since they are blood red states.

[uponit7771]

64. He lost the PRIMARY in three states, a word that's being left out of your retort but whatever...

... go ahead and think those states don't matter.

math does not suck

[Kelvin Mace]

70. And again, he was, and I am

talking about the GE. The states are of no use to us in the GE.

[R B Garr]

68. Yup, but we have to be careful about repeating Sanders' own words about who

his campaign really appeals to or the alerts and hides come. You are right; it's obvious he was being dismissive of the "Deep South" and Hillary's wins there. We all know what that really means.

[ebayfool]

63. Right. It's part of the conservative 'bible belt' ...

so conservative Democrats abound. Making this into a race issue is a sad tactic.

[uponit7771]

65. Like Kansas and OK were there are less black folk but their two of the redest stats in the union!?

... facts matter and they don't suck.

[ebayfool]

72. They are part of that conservative belt I spoke of ...

so yes, facts matter. And sometimes they do suck. Remember the book 'What's the Matter With Kansas'? And I have a shit ton of family from and in Oklahoma ... yeah, it's part of that conservative/bible pattern.

The OP's take is that Sanders is discounting the black vote, but it's not what Sanders said. If the OP or anyone else is saying, then they are projecting. He is moving on to the states that haven't voted yet. He can't rerun those conservative areas that have already had their say

A sucky fact.

.

[whatchamacallit]

58. Saying that he'll do better out of the south should get the same outrage as "super predators" got

Which is to say, none.

Keep finding new ways to drive that wedge.

[Zira]

74. It's a fact he'll do better out of the South. The South is for Hillary.

Super Predators doesn't bug you? I found it appalling.

[whatchamacallit]

79. Yes, it was disgusting

What I'm saying is it's fucking ludicrous how people who excuse or forgive that shit from Hillary, will use anything Bernie says, no matter how innocuous, to paint him as a bigot. It's like the twilight zone in here.

[Marr]

97. The gross part about it is that it's so disenguous. When cornered on one of these slimey

attacks, they giggle and throw up their hands in a 'that's politics, sucker' sort of way. I literally had one of their more prolific posters tell me in no uncertain terms that ethics is for losers and all that matters is winning.

[RandySF]

69. I remember 8 years ago

When we Obama supporters defended the legitimacy of Southern primary voters. I hope no one changed their minds.

[Vinca]

71. Bernie didn't write off southern voters, they wrote him off.

Apparently, they thought his civil rights background and continuous work for equality and prosperity for all over a lifetime of work wasn't enough. I have an opinion about why they didn't take to Bernie, but I'll keep it to myself rather than deal with 90 trolls responding.

[LonelyLiberalOhio]

76. How many Times was Hillary arrested for protesting civil rights....

And that is what Hillary will give blacks....a big fat 0

[Mike Nelson]

78. He knows how to "spin" a...

...story. If he won those voters, he'd be different. The real blind-spot in all this is that Black voters in the south hear this - you don't increase your popularity with Black voters by dismissing them.

[whatchamacallit]

81. Tell it to this guy

Some honesty from last year.

http://www.theroot.com/articles/politics/2015/10/bernie_sanders_why_black_voters_still_aren_t_feeling_him.html

[Enrique]

82. why do you hate Latinos?

California has a lot of Latinos, and therefore your comments reveal a discomfort with people of Hispanic descent.

By the way, this post is a parody of the racial nonsense in this campaign, of which your OP is an example.

[bigtree]

99. blocked

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

88. The title of your thread so totally dishonest - surprise!

There was nothing in their about "dismissing the black vote".

[iandhr]

89. We are not going to win Kansas, Nebraska, or Oklahoma either.

[hellofromreddit]

91. A campaign has to prioritize

His campaign does not have limitless resources, so a plain fact of life is that regions will get prioritized. The south has been very conservative for a very long time, so his claim that we won't win those states anyway seems reasonable. It's certainly consistent with recent history.

I don't see where you demonstrated that Sanders abandoned the black vote specifically, as your title implies.

[0rganism]

92. the western Democratic voters probably tend to be less religious

i'm thinking the evangelical Democrats maybe had difficulty voting for a Jewish socialist (even a nominally democratic socialist). his support will probably increase considerably west of the Rockies; won't be too long before we find out. i would expect him to run well in the PNW, AK, and HI, but CA is the big kielbasa and we won't know how that plays out until June.

[RandySF]

93. I was assured here on DU that Bernie was going to win all 50 states.

What happened?

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

104. Anothe Clinton supporter lie.

[Ken Burch]

100. He's not dismissing black voters in the South.

He never has.

And he never thought it was a bad thing that black progressive activists have increased black voter registration and participation in the South and everywhere.

It's just that he rejects the idea that the results on Super Tuesday should have caused him to withdraw as a candidate.

And it's not as if what happened there means AA voters everywhere will always vote against him.

Every reason anyone in the AA community had to attack him as a candidate has been addressed and corrected.

What do you want from the guy?

Does he have to give up to prove to you that he respects the black community?

If he did, nothing progressive would ever be said again in this campaign.

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

105. Don't bother - they never answer to reason.

Cowards and Liars is all I see from some people here (I won't mention, lest I get hidden).

[LexVegas]

106. Of course he is. nt

[Setsuna1972]

110. this is why I can't support Sanders

He pretty much wrote off the black voters who live in the south such as myself after we chose Hillary over him . And there are still a lot of his supporters who keep confirming this slanted view here on DU . So fuck him and the losers who think black voters need to be indoctrinated into his Socialist agenda .

[PeteSelman]

112. Those states are deep, deep red.

It doesn't really matter who won Alabama or Mississippi, they're never going our way in the election. No chance in hell. So while a President Bernie would absolutely govern in their best interests and is the best candidate for all Americans, whether or not that particular demographic loves him is irrelevant. Those old Confederate states are not going blue. Obama couldn't do it, neither of these two will either.

[Orsino]

113. I heard Bernie was arrested for running an all-lives-matter protest!

Meanwhile, back on Planet Earth, the quote actually shows him minimizing/spinning his losses in some states that really are likely to go Republican in the general.

Not dismissing African-American voters.