2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumPoll: MORE THAN HALF Of Americans View Donald Trump & Hillary UNFAVORABLY

Two horrible, war-mongering, lying, dishonest candidates.........
The unfavorable ratings are the highest in the history of the poll asking the question, dating back to 1984. Both parties, meanwhile, are viewed favorably by less than half of Americans although Democrats are doing a bit better. Forty-six percent of Americans have a favorable view of the Democratic Party and just 28 percent have a favorable view of the Republican Party. That number is also the lowest-ever rating in the history of CBS News/New York Times polls.
The telephone poll was conducted March 17-20 among 1,252 nationwide voters, with 1,058 of those being registered. The margin of error is plus or minus 3 percentage points.
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/03/poll-americans-trump-clinton-unfavorably-221063
Segami
(14,923 posts)insta8er
(960 posts)FreakinDJ
(17,644 posts)Sky Masterson
(5,240 posts)Its her turn.
And everyone who doesn't like her are just going to catch that Hillary Magic and fall head over heels in love with her.
Its almost like the Democrats want to lose.
Attorney in Texas
(3,373 posts)enough to nominate someone other than Hillary.
Welcome to the Cruz presidency.
EndElectoral
(4,213 posts)Has had a poor favorability rating forever and it certainly isn't going to improve. That said, she's without a doubt better than Trump. Hillary fans should be cheering really hard for Trump to be the nominee because Hillary will win if that is the case. Otherwise Hillary supporters will spend 4 years apologizing for President Cruz.
revbones
(3,660 posts)Hillary supporters always say she's better than whoever, but they never give any reasons. Aside from the racism espoused by Trump, what exactly makes you think she's a better candidate than anyone?
Is it perhaps her being owned by Wall St? Her warmonger qualities? Her lies to unions about fighting trade deals, which we found out in her emails that she supported and lobbied for? Perhaps it's her half a loaf approach, or her theft of some of Bernie's positions?
For the inevitable jurors, once the alerting Hillary supporter wakes from their fainting:
The Terms of Service clearly state "But that does not mean that DU members are required to always be completely supportive of Democrats. During the ups-and-downs of politics and policy-making, it is perfectly normal to have mixed feelings about the Democratic officials we worked hard to help elect."
TeddyR
(2,493 posts)I'm a Democrat who prefers Bernie to Hillary, though I'd prefer a 3d Obama term or Biden to either.
Regarding Hillary v. Trump, the answer should be obvious. Trump is a Republican (loosely speaking), appears to be a psycho, is both racist, sexist and anti-Muslim, and is perhaps the least qualified candidate I've seen (I voted twice for Bill Clinton so have been around a while). And he clearly lacks the temperament to be president. Despite not liking Hillary she's undoubtedly more qualified than Trump. Every Dem/liberal should support her over Trump.
revbones
(3,660 posts)Whether you vote Bernie or not, I'm assuming you vote for him because of his policies. Just saying someone is better because they're not the other person doesn't do much to substantiate your case.
Unfortunately she is despised by many on both sides. The constant sniping by Hillary followers doesn't help. (I think "followers" is now a better term than "supporters" because of the cult-like idolization"
. They don't provide any real justification for their support, and they deflect and tune out any negative facts about her.
For the inevitable jurors, once the alerting Hillary supporter wakes from their fainting:
The Terms of Service clearly state "But that does not mean that DU members are required to always be completely supportive of Democrats. During the ups-and-downs of politics and policy-making, it is perfectly normal to have mixed feelings about the Democratic officials we worked hard to help elect."
TeddyR
(2,493 posts)She's a better candidate than Trump. Is there something specific you disagree with or are you just being difficult?
revbones
(3,660 posts)you stated was that she was better than Trump and "Every Dem/liberal should support her over Trump".
Not once did you give a reason to support her. You gave reasons to not support Trump, but nothing positive about her other than her not being Trump.
TeddyR
(2,493 posts)Hillary is more experienced in foreign policy and will do a better job than Trump in protecting the country. Is that sufficient? If not, why do you think Trump is a better candidate?
Bjorn Against
(12,041 posts)How the party thinks it is a good idea to nominate a candidate who has a 31% approval rating is beyond me. The only reason she even has a chance is because the likely Republican nominee is one of the worst candidates in history. If either one of them becomes President they will be extremely unpopular, there is virtually no chance of either of them winning reelection the only question will be how much they damage their parties when they lose.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)....and all of us will be "brought to heel" apparently
grasswire
(50,130 posts)Then she was at -2. Now it's -21.
Worse than I even thought.
EndElectoral
(4,213 posts)Ironically, Favorabilty matters more as it has won the last eight straight elections.
If Trump is the candidate HRC would have an advantage at this point, but by election day those ratings may very well change and most likely will, AND if HRC ran against Kasich the exact same NY time poll above shows Kasich beating Clinton 47-44.
amborin
(16,631 posts)grasswire
(50,130 posts)revbones
(3,660 posts)I think her behavior starting with the debates in Jan helped sink her numbers further.
cosmicone
(11,014 posts)So this is a useless OP.
revbones
(3,660 posts)Please go back to the Hillary group where everything is sunshine and rainbows about Hillary, we'll continue to talk facts and truth out here.
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Now, if you read the article, buried at the bottom, the little nugget that Bernie leads ALL GOP contenders.
But why on earth would CNN have a front page headline "POLL: Sanders Leads All GOP" ???
revbones
(3,660 posts)For the inevitable jurors, once the alerting Hillary supporter wakes from their fainting:
The Terms of Service clearly state "But that does not mean that DU members are required to always be completely supportive of Democrats. During the ups-and-downs of politics and policy-making, it is perfectly normal to have mixed feelings about the Democratic officials we worked hard to help elect."
CoffeeCat
(24,411 posts)Bernie is clearly the more superior candidate for our party, and the better candidate to take on Trump.
The polls bear out these facts as well. Bernie beats Trump by much wider margins than Clinton.
We are gambling big time with her.
It's very frightening.
H2O Man
(79,257 posts)Tarc
(10,602 posts)Funny how these alleged polls results don't bear fruit in the elections.
Rilgin
(799 posts)Both Gore and Dukakis won the Democratic Primary handily. I do not exactly remember either being president (although Gore obviously might have had a squeeking victory taken away from him).
Trying to say that Hillary is winning the democratic primary in an underwhelming way says nothing about her electability in the GE.
What the OP is saying is that in the democratic primary Sanders is polling behind Hillary but he is polling better if you consider the GE. Your argument is whistling past the graveyard. We are taking a huge risk with Hillary because of her high unfavorabilities and low favorable polling in the GE. Which is why the smart political party (apparantly) is desperately trying to replace their front runner Trump with someone with better favorables and our democratic party is desperately trying to prop up our unfavorable candidate.
However, I am sure you know this.
If Sanders cannot even win a party vote, he has no chance in the generals. You don't get awards just for trying real hard in an election; you either win, or you lose.
Rilgin
(799 posts)My local supervisor won lots of elections im my local community but when he ran for mayor he lost because different electorates.
Romney won the republican primary handily but lost the general when the electorate broadens.
My high school hockey team won lots of local championships but was a big loser when competing statewide.
The prize in this election is the GE. Winning the primary is nothing if the candidate is not a good candidate foe the general. You know this and continue to use bad logic in assuming that winning in a primary show general support in a general election.
Tarc
(10,602 posts)even though he can only muster 40% of the primary vote.
Rilgin
(799 posts)I happen to believe in democratic voting processes. If Hillary wins she should be the democratic party nominee. She us currently a favorite to do so.
This does not mean she is a good candidats. She isnt. It means that people are ignoring the warning signs of this election. People like you. The republicans are desparately trying to get their bad ge candidate out of the race. The democratic party seems determined to nominate a risky candidate while her supporters hold their ears and just repeat she is great without acknowledging the risks.
Bernie is a better ge candidate as shown in polls and favorable ratings He may not make it through the democratic primaries. He is not a favorite. Just do not point at progressives. Point at yourself for pretending that winning the primary means she can win in an electorate that considers her dishonest and with a base wher 30% dont trust her.
Really her only hope is trump as an opponent and the republicans may succeed in taking him out and putting in a kasich who does not have the unfavorables.
Logical
(22,457 posts)Obama in 2008 44% favorable, 28% unfavorable,
Obama in 2012 41% favorable, 41% unfavorable
Hillary is not trusted and not liked.
Tarc
(10,602 posts)But again, the Sanders Camp never seems to have answer to this; how can an allegedly "not trusted and not liked" candidate be beating Sanders like a drum in election after election?
Logical
(22,457 posts)Tarc
(10,602 posts)are still unable to explain why an allegedly "not trusted" person is beating, handily, the allegedly "trusted" candidate.
Logical
(22,457 posts)
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