2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumThere is a 99.99% chance that Hillary Clinton will be the Democratic Nominee.
It is what it is.
PoliticAverse
(26,366 posts)revbones
(3,660 posts)bkkyosemite
(5,792 posts)reformist2
(9,841 posts)brooklynite
(94,554 posts)basselope
(2,565 posts)Luckily, the primaries are not just about the opinions of the small minority of the population that are "democrats"
KMOD
(7,906 posts)Non Democrats can have their opinion in the General Election.
PoliticAverse
(26,366 posts)KMOD
(7,906 posts)she still has a million more votes than he does.
???
basselope
(2,565 posts)John Poet
(2,510 posts)the kind of train wreck where, afterwards,
they go around and shoot the survivors.
'Who Would Hillary Bomb?'
jillan
(39,451 posts)AgerolanAmerican
(1,000 posts)it precisely matches the probability that I will end up voting third party this year
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Beacool
(30,247 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Codeine
(25,586 posts)I thought you guys liked to deal with facts and reality.
So c'mon, prove me wrong.
PoliticAverse
(26,366 posts)KMOD
(7,906 posts)You must see that his odds are between slim and none.
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)KMOD
(7,906 posts)Super bowl by now,
It is what it is. Hillary will be the Democratic nominee.
I see no path forward for Bernie. If you do, please post it.
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)PoliticAverse
(26,366 posts)being the Democratic Nominee. If Clinton isn't the nominee that doesn't necessarily mean
Sanders would be.
EndElectoral
(4,213 posts)KMOD
(7,906 posts)that is not going to happen.
EndElectoral
(4,213 posts)KMOD
(7,906 posts)You can take that to the bank.
It's as silly as thinking she'll be abducted by aliens.
PoliticAverse
(26,366 posts)of Hillary Clinton not being the nominee is likely many many many times greater than her
being abducted by aliens.
KMOD
(7,906 posts)She will be the nominee.
OilemFirchen
(7,143 posts)a virtual tie.
840high
(17,196 posts)PoliticAverse
(26,366 posts)according to the OP.
840high
(17,196 posts)basselope
(2,565 posts)And a 0% chance she can win the general election.
It is what it is.
Iliyah
(25,111 posts)But alas, if the cards fall that way, I would. I guess that's what make us different.
basselope
(2,565 posts)with a good record.
I just dont vote for republicans.
THATS what makes us different
pa28
(6,145 posts)Kip Humphrey
(4,753 posts)It is what it is.
KMOD
(7,906 posts)but I'm not.
highprincipleswork
(3,111 posts)KMOD
(7,906 posts)Tell me his path to win. I promise, if you present it, I'll listen.
highprincipleswork
(3,111 posts)I don't know if that's a foreign concept around here, but there were golden ages of Democrats, around people like FDR and the Kennedys, when being a Democrat meant fighting for something profound for the average person.
Bobby Kennedy's death made me feel awful, because he was attracting so many people to his cause. And he had it all. He had the compassion and authenticity that I believe Bernie has. He had the toughness, and Bernie has shown himself to be pretty tough in his own way. But he also had the Kennedy name and more than a little touch of his own charisma.
But since Bobby, nobody has ignited a certain part of the Democratic base like Bernie Sanders. I'm not letting go of that excitement and that spirit and that feeling of going for what is right, not until and unless I have to.
And I hate to say it, if Hillary does not live up to enough of those more idealistic principles I'm talking about (much as Bill has failed to do so in the last years of his presidency and since), then I'm going to have a hard time voting for her. Not saying I won't. But I just hate voting against many of my best interests and for someone or something I don't believe in. Don't you?
I wish those in the Hillary camp could convince her and those of us who support Bernie that she will run anything like a Progressive campaign and run anything like a Progressive presidency.
KMOD
(7,906 posts)are backing and voting for Hillary.
highprincipleswork
(3,111 posts)right or my knowledge of history in the slightest.
I feel sure you will not appreciate that comment, but her winning can be explained by many other factors other than doing what is right for the Democratic Party or for the average person or for the country.
I am long since past the point where I am surprised that people can believe or be led to believe all sorts of very bad things. In fact, the good things have to be spoken for and stood for just as much as the lies (proven fact) to be effective. The only thing is, they are somewhat easier and more palatable to stand for. That is why we love standing for Bernie and he enjoys standing for us. We actually feel we are in it for something that is right and good.
You may feel that same way about Hillary, but I do hear all sorts of other arguments like
he can't accomplish what he's saying
she's the safer choice
who is he anyway?
he's a racist or sexist - this is Rovian bullshit
she has the numbers
Look at the start of the race, when she really had the numbers.
I'm interested in people, and in how they feel, and what is actually right for the majority of them. And that's why I support Bernie, and will do so till there is no purpose to it. Unfortunately, that could be a very long time.
KMOD
(7,906 posts)We simply don't agree with you.
highprincipleswork
(3,111 posts)Just the latest in a long string of hits.
4nic8em
(482 posts)If that's true, Then the overwhelming majority of Democrats want Trump for President.
It is what it isn't...
Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)Democrats who, for the most part, live in states that won't vote for the Democrat in the general election.
How many Democrats west of Kansas have been able to vote so far? Answer: Democrats in only two states so far-- Colorado and Nevada.
Despite your claim, Democrats in half the country have not been able to vote yet.
NJCher
(35,669 posts)I had not thought about it that way before.
In light of what you say, then, why would any Democrat want to discount the votes in half the country? There is something fundamentally wrong with such a thinking process.
I also don't understand people who tell us what is going to happen and that it is what it is. I quit thinking that way a long time ago. About the time I feel certainty about anything, I find that life hands me a lesson telling me otherwise.
The truth of the matter is, it's hard to live with uncertainty.
Hmm, I think I just wrote myself into an explanation for a possible reason people do that.
Cher
steve2470
(37,457 posts)Last edited Tue Mar 22, 2016, 11:54 AM - Edit history (1)
Good to see you again!
(brain fart re: sl lol )
KMOD
(7,906 posts)I've missed you!!
Go Hillary!
Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)I'd say Sanders has a VERY good chance of becoming our nominee.
DemocracyDirect
(708 posts)Let the rest of us vote.
VulgarPoet
(2,872 posts)DrDan
(20,411 posts)BernieforPres2016
(3,017 posts)Jim Lane
(11,175 posts)Here's my post about a recent example, from Nate Silver's site.