If Bernie Wins the Nomination...

[JaneyVee]

Should the Hillary crowd just write in Hillary at the ballot box?

I see some here advocating Bernie or Bust, so why should Hillary supporters turn around and back Bernie?

I can think of plenty of reasons why this would be a dangerous, stupid, and psychotic thing to do (see: Trump. See: SCOTUS). Obviously voting for the Dem nominee is the only sane choice, but then what does that say about the Bernie or Bust crowd?

[TCJ70]

1. Do you feel you'd be worse off with Bernie over Hillary?

If you honestly do, which I find hard to believe, then yes you should write in someone else. The reality is that Hillary folks have little to nothing to lose with a Sanders nomination so it's not a hard jump for them to turn around a vote for him. Bernie supporters have to set aside ethical standards, which is a lot harder.

[upaloopa]

7. The whole country has much to lose with a Bernie nomination.

First, he has too much baggage to win. But even if he did, he has pissed off all the Dems he would need to work with. Also, and most importantly, there is no revolution in sight. Hell he can't even get a majority of Dems to vote for him.

[TCJ70]

9. He has too much baggage?

That's awesome coming from a Hillary fan...

[upaloopa]

11. well none so blind as those who refuse to see

[JaneyVee]

15. Lets compare baggage...

How would the GOP attack Hillary vs Bernie? You go first.

[TCJ70]

21. I think I'll quote the other poster in this subthread:

"well none so blind as those who refuse to see"

[JaneyVee]

23. Im not denying, Im the one asking to compare....

If you are trying to say Bernie has no baggage then maybe youre the blind one?

[TCJ70]

25. I'm not saying he has no baggage...

...I just think his is far less than hers. No one is perfect in this situation.

I'm sorry I misread you. I fell victim to Passionate Candidate Support Syndrome for a moment...

[Lizzie Poppet]

43. Bell and fucking Howell.

See what I did there?

[JonLeibowitz]

30. Having baggage may be a reason to not vote for him in the primary.

Not a very good argument for the general.

[upaloopa]

34. He won't be in the general.

Repubs are chomping at the bit to run against him. They are spending millions trying to help him in the primaries.

[JonLeibowitz]

35. This thread is about the general election scenario.............

[serbbral]

37. Interesting. I never heard of him having baggage (????).

[JaneyVee]

8. Yes, much worse off.

I think a Bernie presidency would tank the economy, shudder the markets, and lead to mass layoffs and recession. But what do I know, I only have 2 economic degrees.

[TCJ70]

12. The point is...

...vote however you feel best. That's what everyone should do, whatever their education is.

[floriduck]

42. Then, Janey, you need to vote for Hillary.

The issues you have about Bernie, we have equally or more important issues in our minds about Hillary. So rather than participate in a pissing match, let's just agree to disagree. Neither side will change the others minds and votes. We should all be able to accept that by this time.

This constant attempt to imply one side's votes will harm the other side's candidate is and will go nowhere. Once all the primaries are over and a nominee truly exists, we can all weigh our options and make our own personal decisions. Until then, relax and have some fun.

[Dem2]

18. Both candidates have their strengths and weaknesses

No need to rehash them here.

The high horse "ethical standards" remark almost had me fall of my chair laughing. Good one!

[TCJ70]

24. That's fine if you want to laugh...

...but Hillary and Bernie are running vastly different campaigns in terms of how their funded, how the contrasts being drawn, and honesty/consistency. For people who see corporate funding as an ethical issue and twisting facts (like the auto bailout crap, for example) as important issues, voting for Hillary is a stretch.

[Dem2]

28. Bernie has many strengths that I admire

One of them is his single-mindedness, it's good to not be distracted or feel like one owe's a favor to anybody. It might make him a better president too, though it might also make him somewhat naive. Look how enthusiastic Obama was when he arrived in Washington. We still have a Republican Congress to deal with and this is where Hillary's savvy nature may be an advantage. I honestly don't know which is the better choice - I'll be as happy with either, so long as we elect a Democrat this fall. The alternative is demonic hell-on-earth.

[serbbral]

39. Though I did vote for Sanders

I agree with you.

[Dem2]

40. Thank you

[mythology]

36. I disagree.

If Sanders wins the nomination then the choice isn't whether Clinton or Sanders is better. The real choice is whether Sanders is better than the Republican candidate. Yes there will be other candidates for other parties, but they are functionally irrelevant.

[upaloopa]

2. If Bernie wins the nomination I am voting against the Repub and not for Bernie.

But then he isn't going to win the nomination so I don't have to face that nightmare scenario.

God I can't stand that man

[Jester Messiah]

3. Your vote is yours.

Do with it what you will. I certainly intend the same with mine.

[Trust Buster]

4. He already lost the nomination. It's a moot point.

[Katashi_itto]

5. No one is telling you how to spend your vote.

[hrmjustin]

6. Hell no. We need to all vote for the nominee.

Anything else elects trump.

[JaneyVee]

10. You sound sane and rational.

[Betty Karlson]

13. Wouldn't be the first time they pull such a trick. PUMA, anyone? eom

[JaneyVee]

17. You mean the group who overwhelmingly voted for Obama?

[Bluenorthwest]

44. After having a public melt down and claiming they hated his guts, did they actually vote for him or

did they just say that they did? No one knows. Their votes are secret, their actions well known and public. They were Hillary supporters and they could not let go.

[Thinkingabout]

14. Good thinking, as much as I like Sanders agenda the possibilite of his agenda getting passed

is zilch, even with Democratic Congress I don't think it would pass. It will not matter how many of protesters lives outside of the window. The thought of having Trump and Cruz as president over whelms any reasoning of showing my dislike of Sanders and his agenda.

[Orsino]

16. "Some."

Why worry about a few votes that were never really up for grabs? Why waste another thread on another fake Berniebro crisis?

[JaneyVee]

19. This is about...

The Bernie or Bust crowd, for example: HA GOODMAN

[Orsino]

33. Do you believe such people constitute a significant voting bloc?

Do you believe they will in November? What is this thread supposed to accomplish?

[Arkansas Granny]

20. I sincerely hope that whoever wins the Democratic nomination that we can all put hurt feelings and

disappointed dreams aside and elect that nominee in the GE. We have too much at stake to let Trump or Cruz take that office.

Regardless who you support now, you must admit that the other candidate would be far, far better than either of the choices on the Republican side.

[JaneyVee]

22. I agree 110%.

[MineralMan]

26. All such threats are simply silly.

Only people who do not care what happens in this country would ever suggest such a thing. That's why I don't take the "Bernie or Bust" posters seriously. I have to doubt whether they would ever vote for any Democrat for office, really.

So much depends on which party holds the Executive Branch that any such threats could not be from Democrats or progressives, in my opinion. I simply ignore anyone who says such things. They don't matter in any way.

[LexVegas]

27. Not ever going to happen. Theoretically, I would hold my nose and vote for Sanders. nt

[JaneyVee]

31. Solidarity wins elections.

[artyteacher]

29. i would vote for him..

But he won't win.

[JonLeibowitz]

32. Your vote is your own and I would never tell you how to use it

I will be voting privately in November.

[pampango]

38. There is a PUMA contingent in both camps. (There are PUMA folks in Trump's camp too.)

There were PUMA folks in 2008 and most people ended up voting for Obama though there certainly some who did not.

[Lizzie Poppet]

41. If that's what your conscience dictates, then of course.

Preferring Hillary to Bernie doesn't strike me as something a progressive would do over the issues. The only significant area in which they differ on issues is in the area of economic justice and excessive corporate political power. If one isn't a progressive, choosing Hillary makes sense, of course.

[H2O Man]

45. Vote as your

conscience dictates. Respect others' right to do the same.

[Tarc]

46. Never in a million years, no

I've said from Day 1 I'd cheerfully vote for Sanders in the fall if he is our nominee.

The least Democrat is a million times better than the best Republican, in today's political climate.