I really don't understand why a video like this doesn't just say it all.

[highprincipleswork]

I mean, is it too short a clip? Too hard to decipher? Out of context? Hillary gets a pass because her policies will be so different than Bill's and not influenced by him in any way.? People don't like Medicare anymore?

The writing is on the wall folks. Hillary and Bill are not Progressives economically, in hardly any sense of the word. They are willing to give away our social services in an instant, all the while claiming they had no other choice.

She is also a hawkish Neocon.
http://www.commondreams.org/views/2016/03/22/hillary-clinton-goes-full-neocon-aipac-demonizes-iran-palestinians

Do you really feel safer with views like this? Do you really think this is the way for the United States to act, especially if we are to have anything like peace and prosperity?

[kgnu_fan]

1. wake up people...

[bkkyosemite]

2. I posted this video yesterday. It is appauling but I AM NOT SURPRISED!

Edited to ask...........any Hillary supporters roaming around in here...what do you think. Do you think I should continue to get Medicare. Cuz Billy boy doesn't

[PufPuf23]

78. I am amazed that so many folks at DU have their fingers in their ears regards to

Hillary Clinton and go nanananana at the obvious.

The posting of facts by Democrats in 2016 is not equivalent to the GOP and right wing slime machine of the 1990s.

Hillary Clinton has a well-documented history post 2001.

Hillary Clinton votes and recommends neo-liberal and a neo-conservative policies.

Bill and Hillary Clinton have benefited financially like no other exe-POTUS ever, not even close.

The Clinton Foundation is larger and unlike any non-profit founded by any exe-POTUS ever as well.

Hillary Clinton was my least favorite Democratic candidate in 2008, I was down on Obama for appointing her SOS (where she failed but she and the Clinton Foundation benefited), and Hillary Clinton in 2008 and again in 2016 set the low bar for Democratic campaigning.

[DanTex]

3. TYT have been predicting a Bernie win in the primary for months now.

How wrong do they have to be, over and over?

If you don't want medicare cuts, talk to the Bernie or Busters who are trying to put the GOP in the White House.

[bkkyosemite]

5. Don't need to Billy Boy and Ryan have it in the bag. Do you agree with what is being said in

this video.

[DanTex]

7. From what I heard, Bill Clinton said we need to not "do nothing on Medicare".

I guess the conspiracy theorists assume he was saying we should cut Medicare or privatize it.

Anyone who is going to sit out the GE and let the GOP take over obviously doesn't care at all about preserving Medicare.

[bkkyosemite]

13. That is NOT what he said listen again!

Bill says I'm glad we won NY..but I hope the democrats don't use it as an EXCUSE to do NOTHING about Medicare. (not exact but right on) Ryan talks over Bill when he says the word Medicare!

Ryan says Got to get this thing moving

Bill says: Want to talk about it give me a call

If you can not hear that than you are in DENIAL like the rest of the Hillary supporters. This is exactly why Bernie supporters are voting for Bernie. Hillary is in this agenda just as Bill is. It's the club and they all stick together. SICK!

We are sick of the dishonesty from the Clintons. Disgusted!

[DanTex]

15. Well that's what I heard. What did you hear? Is there a transcription somewhere?

[bkkyosemite]

26. I added (edited) my post for you please read it. It is pure disgust.

[DanTex]

31. How is that different from what I said? What part do you object to?

He obviously didn't say we need to "cut" medicare or "privatize" medicare. Can you just make an argument instead of all the anger and the all-caps?

Are you upset by the very fact that he's talking to Paul Ryan? You don't think Bernie talks to Republicans about issues also?

[Politicalboi]

19. Anyone who is going to support Hillary

"Obviously doesn't care at all about preserving Medicare." You guys are jokes and so are the Clinton's.

[DanTex]

20. Another personal attack. So far zero substance from you.

[bkkyosemite]

28. Go listen again.....

[DanTex]

32. Nobody has even attempted to make a coherent argument. This is why your side loses.

[Jackie Wilson Said]

36. And if the next president does cut in anyway Medicare of Soc Sec, it is on all of us

to make it loud and clear that person will NOT be reelected.

You will be amazed how that will change what they do.

This is an example of why I prefer Bernie over Hillary, but at the end of the day, we are in control.

If we all threatened general strikes and voting in certain ways, none of them would do this.

[Politicalboi]

17. And you still don't SEE!!!!!!!

:rof

Sorry, edited.

[DanTex]

18. Personal attacks and smilies: the usual fare from Bernie fans.

No wonder you haven't been able to make your case to the Democratic electorate.

[Politicalboi]

22. You can't even figure out this video

The Clinton's are NOT Democrats.

[DanTex]

25. You have still to make a substantive argument. Like I said, this is why your side loses.

[bkkyosemite]

30. Clintons are liars, dishonest and are conning the public because it is obvious from so

much of what they have said even recently that they are this way.

[DanTex]

34. That's just the same nonsensical Clinton smearing that has failed all campaign long.

And it has nothing to do with the video whatsoever. I mean, yeah, I get that you hate the Clintons, but what is it that you think this video demonstrates?

[bkkyosemite]

43. You did not really listen to what he said because you keep shape shifting.

[DanTex]

45. I listened, and I read your transcription, and haven't seen the word "cut" anywhere.

Maybe that word was spoken at a frequency that only Hillary-haters can hear.

[Politicalboi]

35. The Clinton's will work with the GOP

To cut benefits. Is that what you support? Bernie would NEVER let that happen. And we're on our way to winning real soon. And hopefully this video will get more exposure so people can see the REAL Clinton's.

[DanTex]

37. Where does the "cut benefits" idea come from. The word "cut" isn't in the video.

The video is from 2011, if this was the magic bullet that Bernie needed, then he wouldn't be getting demolished by 300+ delegates.

[Armstead]

72. You miss the point of tyhe OP and video...There's Bill chatting it up against DEMOCRATS

and he hopes they don't let an election victory go to their heads when it comes to his shared goals with Paul Ryan on Medicare.

[DanTex]

74. First of all Bernie has been "chatting it up against Democrats" for decades.

Second, nowhere does he say he shares Paul Ryan's goals of cutting Medicare (which he doesn't). He said "do something". That doesn't mean "cut", except in the mind of Clinton-haters.

[floriduck]

4. The Clinton hits just keep on coming! nm

[Faux pas]

6. Kickin'

Spread it around!!!!!!

[DemocracyDirect]

8. This is terrifying. nt

[Fawke Em]

9. I remember that.

Can't cut their salaries, their bennies, the MIC, but, by golly, they're in agreement that they can throw the elderly and sick who depend on these programs to the curb.

[highoverheadspace]

10. People, indeed, do need to wake up.

Things that reveal the truth are being taken down at DU. Be careful. I just had a Wikileaks post on her emails banned. Then my post about the censorship was banned. Then the post I put up highlighting the banning twice was.......you guessed it......banned.

[Duppers]

14. I knew it would be taken down when i first read it.

Be careful that you don't get tombstones here.

[highoverheadspace]

56. How does one get a tombstone for posting the Secretary of States emails?

Is it common for them to ban members who help release official emails from a government official?

[Duppers]

61. I don't think you should.

You're an asset here, however I think you may perhaps be tagged (can't think of the correct term now) and scrutinized for review. That's all I was trying to convey.

[highoverheadspace]

65. Oh ok. Thanks for the heads up.

I appreciate it. For all the victims of all these wars. May the truth come to light before the election is decided by the powers that be.

[noiretextatique]

70. Yeah...watch yourself

You have probably gotten the attention of the hit squad.

[Duppers]

11. "Glad we won this race in NY but hope the Democrats don't use it

as an excuse to do nothing on Medicare" !!!!


Hillary defenders, where is your spin on this one?

[dana_b]

12. it does but

some prefer to stick their finger in their ears.

i am on Medicare because I am also on SSDI due to 11 years of back issues/surgeries and lots of pain. I have dealt with both private insurance, worker's comp (insurance companies) and Medicare. I will tell you that although it's not perfect, Medicare is so much easier to deal with and willing to work with me AND the private insurance companies. I hate to see them go the other way.

[Politicalboi]

16. Holy Shit!

So if Bernie is not the nom, we're supposed to vote for the assholes who will cut SSI and medicare? Slimy fucks will NEVER get my vote. I so wish I could take my 92 and 96 vote back. Fuck you Bill Clinton. And now he's trying for a third term under the disguise of Hillary. Both are slimy and now this shit. And now were being told Bill didn't talk bad about Obama. Only it's in the Bubble. Cowards.

[Ferd Berfel]

27. I will not vote for Trump but I cannot vote to screw myself

Here's the scenario if Clinton wins:

Like BUsh did - regardless of how much she wins by - ITS A MANDATE!!!! The American people WANT US TO CUT SS & MV

Because it fucking PRAGMATIC - wouldn't want to tax the 1%

[Politicalboi]

38. We still have time to stop this

And hopefully the FBI will settle it for both Clinton's. Matching orange suits.

[Ferd Berfel]

48. NOt holding my breath for that and don't want to win that way

The CLintons have a lot of power.

[Ferd Berfel]

21. COmplete Utter Betrayal By the Clintons and Dem Party

Thom Hartman - WHY THE HELL are you supporting this?



Have you pulled a Howard Dean on us?

[dana_b]

24. wait - Thom is a Clinton supporter??

when did that happen?

[Ferd Berfel]

46. HAven't you been listening to his SHow

Talk is cheap. his "support" for Bernie has been disturbingly weak-kneed at best and gets more so each week. He's been hedging his bets for a few months now and it's disappointing. He makes a lot of excuses for her RW nature. He would have you believe that he's so worried about the 'circular firing squad'. You cant win an election riding the fence.

It's a shame. I've been listening to his show since Vermont and it's why I know about Bernie. I've learned a ton from him. But, if I was Bernie I'd be pissed at the type of 'support' he's been getting from Thom.

I know I"ll get slammed for this but it's the way I see it.

[dana_b]

50. no I haven't

wow... I am very disappointed to hear this.

"You cant win an election riding the fence." - that is for damn sure!! And after those years of "Brunch with Bernie"??
I will try to listen this week. This whole election is amazing and bringing out things that I never thought would happen.

[All in it together]

62. Thom supports Bernie but used to say Clinton would be fine with him

He wanted to avoid a circular firing squad in the party. But lately he's allowing people to talk about Hillary even if what they are saying isn't positive and not cutting them off or going on a rant about how good she'd be. This is still the primary and I think Bernie is running for good reason against Hillary and to move us all to a more progressive country.

[Ferd Berfel]

77. uh huh

Notice that he will defend Hillary by saying (paraphrased) she's moving to the left...., she's sounding like Bernie on this one...., she has now started saying the same thing as Bernie on this one...., She's changed her position - more like Bernie....

ANd I'm screaming at the radio:
are we in a vacuum here?
Is this day one and we have no history on this person?
AYFKM?
What about the triangulation and flipflops?
talk is cheap - WHY would you believe her just because it came out of her mouth all of a sudden?

I hope that if I ever run for office that I have NO 'supporters' like Thom.

[pdsimdars]

23. Here, let me save the Hillary supporters the trouble

Why are the mean Bernie supporters smearing the Clintons (with their own words on video)
Thanks guys for doing the Republicans work for them . . . . . Geeez!

[Duppers]

33. Hillary's people are out in force on YouTube comments.

Claiming Bill never said Medicare.

[Politicalboi]

41. We gotta FIX that

Thanks

[MisterP]

58. the Republicans are the party of neocons and cutting Medicare!

it's time to stop undermining the candidate!

[randome]

29. Clinton was diplomatically speaking to an adversary.

At no time did he say he was in favor of cutting Medicare benefits, only in favor of cutting costs.

This is a prime case of seeing what you want to see and hearing what you want to hear. And it's far too late to knock our leading Presidential nominee off her game.
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[bkkyosemite]

40. He said he hopes the democrats do not use it as an excuse to not cut Medicare

Obama tried and failed. Clinton was in agreement with Ryan it was obvious by his comment.

[randome]

49. "An excuse to do nothing on Medicare" is what I heard. He was talking about costs, not benefits.

Only those in a fever-dream of destroying our leading candidate would assume otherwise.
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[bkkyosemite]

54. It is quoted here what he said. How can you say it was different it's his own words.

Ryan was talking about cutting Medicare and you can't just can't accept it.

[randome]

64. 'Cutting' Medicare does not automatically mean cutting benefits.

In your own post, you said Clinton referred to Democrats "doing nothing on Medicare". At no point did he say he wanted to cut benefits. It's all in your imagination.

It's just more diplomacy-speak, a way to get your adversary to relax and maybe give in a little. Talk friendly to him, make it seem like the two of you are not adversaries, after all. That in no way, shape or form means that Clinton wanted to cut benefits.

It's just not there in the video.
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[democrattotheend]

68. In his defense, he didn't say "cut"

He said "do nothing". Cut might have been what he meant by doing something, but it's not what he actually said.

In his defense, we do need to "do something" to keep Medicare sustainable. I did a paper on it a few years ago for my health policy class and as much as I hate to say it, we have to either do some cost cutting measures or accept that the program is going to be a bigger and bigger net loss for the government every year, instead of being self-sustainable as originally intended.

To be clear, I am not saying I agree with anything Paul Ryan wants to do with Medicare. I think "do something" should mean allowing Medicare to negotiate prescription drug prices and providing more incentives to choose palliative rather than aggressive end of life care. Theoretically, that could be what Bill meant by "not doing nothing." However, given his audience, I'd say it's unlikely.

[highprincipleswork]

53. This is not a GAME!!! Although some people think it's just about winning and losing. Numbers. Points

There are real people that are going to be affected by this shit. Including you and me.

[bkkyosemite]

55. And me!

Obama wanted CPI . You watch they will try to raise the age and cut Medicare and Social Security or at least try to.

[cantbeserious]

39. Duplicity Is As Duplicity Does - Yet - Camp Weathervane Will Never See The Light

eom

[bkkyosemite]

42. It's like they have been blinded and deafened by the light announcing the coronation.

Bill wants in there to be President again.

[cantbeserious]

47. Yes - The Empress Has No Clothes

eom

[hedda_foil]

67. Speaking as a female contemporary of hers, that is NOT a pretty picture!

[berni_mccoy]

44. Listen to how Bill says "The Democrats"... it's like he's talking about another group.

[Duppers]

51. Yes, it's as if he's outside of our party.

Not a subtle point to most of us "eyes and ears open" folks.

[randome]

52. You two would not make skilled negotiators, then.

It's a classic tactic of getting the other person to bond with you by painting both his group and yours as 'other' so that the two of you can feel above it all. It's what diplomatic adversaries say in private in order to gain cooperation.

Very fundamental stuff.
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[highprincipleswork]

57. Yes, she'll gain lots of cooperation - to cut our Social Security and Medicare!!!

[randome]

60. No. She won't cut anything.

She will offer to work with the GOP for as long as it's necessary. Until we have both the Senate and the House, cooperation is essential if anything is to get done other than thumb-wrestling.

Cooperation does not mean giving in, though.
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[highprincipleswork]

63. She can thumb-wrestle all she wants. Cutting Social Services is another story.

I would rather that nothing get done than the wrong things.

[noiretextatique]

71. Sure...they bonded over cutting Medicare

As the two grown-ups in the room. Great.

[CharlotteVale]

59. I need to take another shower after seeing that sleazy video.

[liberal_at_heart]

66. I am watching before my very eyes friends losing SSI and Medicaid.

I am sick of Democrats caving to cuts to social services. Bernie is the only one talking about expanding SS and therefore Bernie is the only one getting my vote. This video makes me sick. What the Democrats now stand for makes me sick. It's no wonder 40% of Americans are now Independents. The Democratic Party better wake up or it will find itself irrelevant before too long.

[AzDar]

69. Disgraceful.

Never AGAIN.

[noiretextatique]

73. Because, some Democrats think entitlements need to be reigned in too

Wall Street, Ryan and the Clintons agree on that. So do other 3rd wayers.

[nolabels]

75. Give it up, they don't care about anything except if their side wins

You couldn't convince them even if the sky was falling, which it actually is

[Protalker]

76. Nail jello to the wall

It appeared that they just met to me. I'm optemistic that they want to start a dialog and not gridlock of the past administration. Negotiate without saying anything specific.