I want to know.

[upaloopa]

Bernie has next to no path to the nomination given his delegate deficit. He needs to get 65% of remaining delegates to tie Hillary.

He isn't going to do that tonight. So tomorrow he will need a greater percentage depending on delegates won tonight. The number of delegates available keeps going down as do the number of state primaries.

All states award delegates proportionally. The states where Hillary has the biggest leads are closed primaries as is AZ tonight. Hillary has been getting a higher number of Dem votes than Bernie. He can't possibly win those states with a high enough percentage of delegates to close the gap. Hillary will get delegates in the states where Bernie wins. If the spread narrows it also opens back up larger than before.

If you don't accept the math then we have nothing to talk about.

If you do then why bash or presumptive nominee on this board any longer? Our mutual enemy is Trump or Cruz.

Why not bash them?

Maybe you support Trump or Cruz I don't know. If that is the case then shouldn't the rest of us put a stop to that?


We can retain the White House. We can retake the Senate and maybe even the House. We can have a liberal Supreme Court.

Bernie's revolution can continue. You can still build a movement for single payer and free tuition and everything else Bernie stands for. Hillary as President would not veto single payer if it got to her desk. Basically she stands for every thing Bernie does.

Our best chance for change begins when we begin to pull together to GOTV for November and for the off years too.


Bernie will be in the Senate as will Warren and I hope Kamilla Harris and Russ Feingold.

We need to stop fighting each other and man the phones for down ticket candidates so we can take back state legislatures. We need our people in charge of redistricting.

The narrative created about Hillary here this primary season is a false narrative. Supporting it only helps the right. They brought it here and many of us adopted it.

Do I want Bernie to drop out? Yes I do for the above reasons not because Hillary need him to to win.

If Bernie were in the position that Hillary is I would have the same feelings about him after much healing of the wounds inflicted here.

So how long until we start fighting the right instead of each other?

If you are one who won't vote for Hillary in the general you could change your mind or you could keep it to yourself since your taking yourself out of the game.

[CaliforniaPeggy]

1. We hear you, believe me, and we don't feel like giving up now.

It's our right to keep on working for Senator Sanders.

[msanthrope]

4. To what end, though. The downballot, the Senate and SCOTUS are bigger than Bernie. nt

[CaliforniaPeggy]

7. Read the other replies. They spell out our resistance very well. n/t

[msanthrope]

12. Resistance? To what? nt

[NCTraveler]

27. This isn't resistance.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511552498

It's a big part of what this op is about.

[yardwork]

11. The OP is suggesting that we stop bashing Democrats.

That's different from giving up.

[farleftlib]

14. Not at all. Just Hillary. And it's not bashing.

This is a primary. Both candidates' records are open to criticism until there is an official nominee.

[yardwork]

21. Why? It's just helping the Republicans.

This is more than an academic exercise to me. I live in North Carolina where Republicans are dismantling the state. We need attention to the down ticket races.

[farleftlib]

25. Then hop to it

And let the rest of us discuss the issues. I haven't even voted yet. PA's primary is late next month and I'm going to continue saying whatever I see fit so that the candidate who actually can beat Trump in Nov. gets nominated.

[1StrongBlackMan]

17. Your giving up wasn't the point of the OP ...

In fact, it was specifically advocated that the Bernie Movement continue ... supporting Bernie and building support for Bernie'so platform, that HRC would not veto, should any of it get to her desk, and supporting down ticket runs. What the OP indicated stopping was the bashing of the presumptive nominee, on this board and ,presummably, out in the wild.

That seems reasonable ..especially for Democrats. No?

[ebayfool]

2. No, just no. Not this shit again. She's NOT the nominee yet.

The false narrative you speak of is the one that says only half the states get to name our nominee.


And no.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

3. The primaies aren't over. And, the issues will remain after the primaries.

[Press Virginia]

5. I'm not ready to sell my soul to Hillary

I still have principles

[farleftlib]

6. Bernie is staying in it until the convention this summer!

Jeebus H. Krist, why is that so hard to understand?

[whatchamacallit]

8. You're right we have nothing to talk about

so quit barking at us.

[MineralMan]

9. People aren't going to give up hope.

Just be patient. That's all you can do. The results will come in as the primaries occur. You're right, but people will hang onto their hope until the bitter end passes through their fingers.

Hint: Google "bitter end" if you don't know the reference.

[upaloopa]

13. I know the reference.

It's a damn shame that we never get anywhere because we all march in different directions.

Just my dream that before I die we could do something beside fight these senseless battles.

[MineralMan]

19. I'm afraid the battle will rage on.

That is why we fail so often.

[msanthrope]

15. Unfortunately, we are waiting for some to realize the ship sailed. nt

[whatchamacallit]

22. Fuck that

Why don't you do your already victorious candidate a favor and give it a rest. As much as I hate republicans, you guys engender something far worse.

[NCTraveler]

29. .

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 09:02 PM
whatchamacallit
22. Fuck that
Why don't you do your already victorious a favor and give it a rest. As much as I hate republicans, you guys engender something far worse.

[LiberalArkie]

34. Results

On Tue Mar 22, 2016, 09:20 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

Fuck that
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1554089

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Saying that Hillary supporters are "far worse" than the Repyblicans is over the top, rude, disruptive, etc.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Tue Mar 22, 2016, 09:35 PM, and the Jury voted 1-6 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: the poster had clearly been baited.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Hillary folks have been warned by Skinner that this is still a race until the primary is over. I oppose using the f word out here but....it's hard to not get sucked in to the frustration of this type of thread. It's not worth a hide but I suggest Dialing it back.
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
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Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Not alert worthy, not worth of an explanation.
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Leave it. I think his opinion is pretty accurate. And those who alerted got what they sought out of it.

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

[whatchamacallit]

35. Thanks

[NWCorona]

10. Please! This was Hillary in May 2008

[upaloopa]

16. Look I don't give a hoot about 2008. I can't do anything about the past but play old tapes in my

mind.

[NWCorona]

20. Oh so context doesn’t matter huh?

[Blanks]

18. It's one thing to promote Bernie's 'vision'...

It's an entirely different thing to spend all of your time trashing Hillary.

Of course a lot of us support the things that Bernie supports, but recognize that they are pipe dreams as long as the republicans control even the house.

How does it help democrats to trash Hillary?

[yardwork]

23. That's the question.

[Vattel]

24. His odds are small, but the costs of his losing are huge.

So Bernie supporters nationwide should do even more to point out Bernie's many strengths and Hillary's many shortcomings.

[marions ghost]

30. "The costs of his losing are huge"

--that pretty much says it.

The two candidates are NOT interchangeable for many voters.

Hillary certainly does not represent much of anything I care about. She is not in a position to address the massive problems facing this country.

I don't see why Bernie should stop running--this race is a referendum on the future. And everybody IN EVERY STATE needs to weigh in.

EVERYBODY.

[daleanime]

26. No one is taking themselves "out of the game".....

although I'm sure that the only people who count are the ones backing Hillary.

[HumanityExperiment]

28. LOL...

yet another one of these OPs posted by an HRC supporter that's afraid to let this primary process to run it's course to allow all the states to cast their votes...

If HRC is inevitable then all this process will do is make your candidate stronger, correct?

So let this play out or are you afraid and using all these similarly worded OPs is your expression of that fear?

[marions ghost]

33. Good point

Let primary season run its course and it will be more clear if Hillary is really the nation's choice--Hillary camp must be awfully worried about that outcome.

Calls for Bernie to quit now are just ridiculous.

[hellofromreddit]

31. You are wrong again

In December you stated he should give up because he'd never get beyond 30%. Here are the RCP numbers now.

I've seen nobody here provide an honest justification for calling this primary race self-destructive. It appears to only be people saying whatever makes them feel good.

If you don't accept the math then we have nothing to talk about.

The math does not actually say what you claim that it does. You are putting the word "math" to your biased claims to make them sound neutral.

Bernie's revolution can continue. You can still build a movement for single payer and free tuition and everything else Bernie stands for.

Indeed. That is what his campaign will continue to do.

[morningfog]

32. You don't get to define "bash."

Everything that follows from that is irrelevant.