As Of 5 Minutes Ago I Stopped Being A Democrat - Arizona

[scottie55]

Last edited Wed Mar 23, 2016, 12:03 AM - Edit history (1)

I am no longer a Democrat, and will never call myself a Democrat ever again.

Closing 70% of the polling places by the "state party" to insure an easy mail in victory for Hillary is bullshit.

I will not be a part of a party that thinks fairness is such a f-ing joke.

Today I am an independent.

Who cares if a Hillary Nomination destroys "the" party.

Winning is everything right?

I am beyond pissed.

Hillary's base, the old are stable, and mail in their ballots.

Poorer, younger, less stable people have to work hard to vote, and then find out they can't because the party rigged the election, and closed 70% of the polling places in the county where 60% of the people live.

Not my party any more.

Arizona News: Nothing but pissed off people and an obviously Hillary Shill making excuses below.

http://www.12news.com/news/local/valley/huge-lines-make-for-frustrating-election-day/96943378

The lady Helen Purcell is a Republican. The Democrats let her close down 70% of the polling places without a fight.

[anotherproletariat]

1. Honestly, everyone should be an independent, at least in thought. It doesn't make sense that either

political party should count on a block of voters. Each of us should be able to independently decide who we want to vote for in each election.

[DesertFlower]

116. i disagree. there are democratic values and

republican values. i could never vote for a repub.

[pinebox]

161. And then there are progressive values

[BeanMusical]

165. +1 Well said.

[RepubliCON-Watch]

177. +1

!!!

[KPN]

228. Booyah!! +1

[Avalon Sparks]

182. Values?

What’s the point of the two party system? The main point is to keep third parties out, while the two parties continue to switch parts in the Punch-and-Judy show we call American politics.

Both parties are giving away the store, and cleaning out the cash register.

~Ava~

[stranger81]

194. +1000 [n/t]

[DesertFlower]

248. there are still democratic values, i.e., a woman's

right to choose, LGBT rights, appointments to the supreme court, health care, etc.

if you don't think i'm right you're not paying attention to what republicans are saying.

[Avalon Sparks]

297. I think what you mentioned are important...

But just because the Dems are a little more flexible on social issues, doesn't mean anything -at least to me. Both parties are furthering war, and fiscal supply side economy economics, and I think those things are more important then the issues you brought up.

Now both parties are using social policies to maintain their base, it's a diversion tactic. I think we need to get people working and raise taxes on the wealthy, then focus on other issues.

[highprincipleswork]

203. Along with the poster, I have to agree - there USED to be Democratic values we could agree on.

Things that were sacred and sacrosanct.

Not so much anymore.

Perhaps both parties and the American people need to be shaken up, woken up, to the reality of the lies they are fed and/or their powerlessness to do something better.

[Nanjeanne]

204. You are right. Which is why I can't call myself a Democrat any longer.

When the party gets back to what once were the values of the Democratic Party like support of the working people, I will pick up the label again.

[pdsimdars]

238. The Democrats abandoned their values from Bill Clinton on . . .when he decided to drop the Unions

and start taking corporate money.
There aren't real Democratic "values" in the so-called Democratic Party.

[progressoid]

242. Many of the democratic values I grew up with aren't part of the Democratic Party anymore.

And sadly, the party seems to have adopted some of Republican values.

[JaneyVee]

2. Youre complaining about mail-in ballots now?

[Agschmid]

6. Yes, and early voting.

[snowy owl]

14. I read "closed polling places" - did you see that?

[geek tragedy]

31. Republicans are responsible for that, not Democrats.

I find all of you Bernie fans who seek to excuse Republicans and falsely accuse Democrats to be suspicious.

[CorkySt.Clair]

137. Would love to see some data on that

It's a rare thing to see a Sanders supporter having much of anything negative to say about the GOP. I'm not saying they don't have those feelings, but it doesn't seem like a priority when it comes to what gets posted.

[Hortensis]

195. Democrats are also responsible for Republican

chicanery. LOL.

Nothing new about that one. These people are largely anti-liberal in personality as well as ideology, and the Democratic Party is mostly made up of liberals. Thank goodness they are a tiny minority in real life or we would be in the soup.

[scottie55]

224. Democrats Could Make It Easier To Vote

If they tried....

They don't....

[Hortensis]

225. A researcher of far right and left personality

types summarized a major difference between them by saying that the far right hates everyone not like them, whereas the far left hate themselves.

Normally our own far-lefters just complain bitterly about how evil and awful America is, blaming it for all the problems of humanity, but now, supporting a candidate running on the Democratic ticket they're focused on hating the party they themselves are tied to, blaming it for all the problems of America.

Let's all hope it comes to an end soon, shall we? Before the web, we might not run into each other for...decades and then only as long as it took to get acquainted and drop the acquaintance. Mutually, of course.

[MariaThinks]

229. would any democrat hate hillary so much as to leave the party?

[ablamj]

263. Yes

Yes

[Retrograde]

157. How does Arizona handle mail-in ballots?

Can anyone get one, or do you need to produce evidence that you won't be able to physically get to a polling place. Same question about early voting - is it available to everyone?

[mwrguy]

172. Anyone can get one

It's easy.

[LiberalFighter]

271. It's called no-excuse absentee voting

[reformist2]

3. I'm just figuring this out tonight. The lack of polling places suppresses the working poor vote.

And you're exactly right - senior citizens, who either vote early or mail in their ballots, they are not disenfranchised at all.

[Agschmid]

7. They've been able to vote for weeks.

[LiberalFighter]

270. Arizona

Allows for no-excuse absentee voting.
Has early voting 24 days before the election at multiple locations.

[Califonz]

4. I would expect no less

from Shillary and her flying monkeys.

[dbackjon]

20. You are clueless

[BeanMusical]

89. Ah!

You are projecting, dear.

[Zynx]

5. Except the state party didn't establish the voting procedures.

So you're getting mad about nothing.

[Agschmid]

12. Yup.

But they don't care, facts be damned.

[scottie55]

67. The State Dems Did Nothing - They Could Have - 400 Polling Places to 60 - Insane

Win win they say.

Bull.

[CoffeeCat]

98. These 400-60 numbers, where is this?

So there were 400 polling places in a certain area, but that went down to 60 polling places in that same area.

What area are we talking about here?

[scottie55]

147. Post #43

I did not verify.

[LiberalFighter]

273. They had 200 some voting locations during the 2012 primary election.

Maricopa County decided to only have 60 for this election. Yet, they will now use 724 voting locations for the general election.

[CreekDog]

152. Apparently you don't understand that Republicans run Arizona

but let's face it.

you're here to blame the Democrats for everything. this is your moment, you were looking for some way to announce you're not a Democrat and you made up something about the lack of polling places in Republican Arizona being the decision of Democrats.

but no matter, you had your narrative and you were gonna use it, you didn't care if it was accurate or not.

[Ghost Dog]

246. 1. In AZ Republican officials run the system, which is 'imperfect'.

2. The system's 'imperfections' most likely discriminate mostly against Trump and Mr. Sanders.

3. In terms of the GE (and the international reputation of the USA), this is not good.

4. Not sure if anything can or will be done about it.

5. Other states have similar systemic 'imperfections'.

My own conclusions for today.

[sweetloukillbot]

158. It was 200 to 60 - still VERY problematic

But this wasn't closing Democratic polling places - this affected Republican voters as well. I'm not going to defend Purcell, who fucked up BIG TIME, but it wasn't a grand conspiracy - just run of the mill incompetence and trying to do something on the cheap.

[LiberalFighter]

272. The Democratic Party is NOT in charge of elections.

Elected county officials responsible for elections determine the conduct of elections. In this case, it was a Republican County Recorder. And as explained at the press conference held by the Democratic Party for the county they warned people that there weren't enough voting locations for the election. Helen Purcell didn't budge and said voters could also vote early.

[Fast Walker 52]

245. who decided to cut precincts down to 60?

[vintx]

8. And people on this site are blaming the victims of the intentional disinfranchisement.

It's like watching Faux 'news' commentary

[w4rma]

129. I honestly can't tell the most prolific pro-Hillary posters from a Republican. (nt)

[senz]

174. I know what you mean.

[840high]

183. Yep

[Cobalt Violet]

189. same here.

So sad it's come to this.

[Art_from_Ark]

191. Neither can I

That's why I finally put more than 100 of them on permanent ignore.

[uponit7771]

193. Or Sanders voters from GOPrs who are calling for voter suppression cause of made up CTs

[LiberalFighter]

274. It really bugs me with Bernie supporters making stuff up.

[Hereiam2005]

199. I can't tell the most vocal anti Clinton voice here from the Republicans either

[KittyWampus]

223. You've been here for a few days. LOL. Welcome.

[Maedhros]

237. Well, that's because you lack insight and interpretive skill. [n/t]

[Hereiam2005]

265. Adhominem all the way. Cheers.

[KittyWampus]

222. It's the Sanders supporters who seem intent on ignoring the facts regarding AZ

They have been posted repeatedly in a respectful manner again and again.

[LiberalFighter]

275. Yes it has.

Before I even checked out the Hillary Clinton group I was checking out the Bernie Sanders group. Almost immediately I got blocked. All for providing correct information and analysis.

[workinclasszero]

9. Well..............

[firebrand80]

186. +1

[artislife]

10. Thank you for bringing this here.

Maybe we should ask Haiti to oversee our voting to ensure it is legit.




This is very sad. And maddening.

[Snarkoleptic]

49. Agree, there is a reason for these "irregularities", "anomalies" and long lines at the polls.

The corporatocracy gets what the corporatocracy wants, and that's not in line with counting your vote.

[Viva_La_Revolution]

168. ^^this^^

[senz]

180. You got it.

[Jenny_92808]

281. +1

[Jenny_92808]

286. We need something to stop the cheating.

The people must rise and demand change. Go Bernie!

[Zynx]

17. Yeah, they're just making stuff up. Histrionics about lies are things crazy people do.

Yes, I'm inferring the OP is detached from reality. The things they're talking about aren't real.

[artislife]

60. I call BS on you and Geek

One thing that is completely passing over your heads is that the party we have supported through our lives may not be worth it anymore. There have been so many irregularities in the Democratic primaries.

It is laughable that the republicans seem to be doing it fairly to the people who are voting. How sad is that?

And we lay it at the DNC and Hilary's feet. Why? Because they have proven again and again to be untrustworthy.

Nothing that has happened in the last 6 months has alleviated any of those feelings of un trustworthiness. Nothing.

[Zynx]

91. Do you believe that races are being stolen from Sanders?

I see absolutely nothing to suggest that. I see Sanders supporters who are looking for reasons to raise a fuss about the results because they don't want to accept reality.

If you're remotely introspective about it, I bet you'll find that's why you feel this way.

[artislife]

107. I find that there are a lot of irregularities

I find that very troubling that there are issues in almost every state. Why is that?

[peace13]

209. Many years ago, when Ohio went to black box voting...

...I asked the Diebold trainer of election poll workers,'Are these machines connected to the Internet?' His answer? ' Did you see me hook a wire to this thing?' I kid you not, in the days where I sat with my wireless computer at home, this was his answer. As a result of my question, I was not asked to work in the upcoming election. The next election cycle came around and I received another announcement to attend training. I called the BOE and asked if they had too many workers last time because I hadn't been called and didn't want to go to training if they didn't need me. She said, 'I'm sure we needed you. We were short of people last election.' I asked to talk to her boss and she put Gerry on. I questioned him about why they hadn't called me to work at the last election and he responded, 'Kim we can't have you telling the people anything negative about the machines.' You see if someone speaks up they try to cut you from the herd. My response to Gerry was, ' Please call the people I have worked with. They want me there. I am as professional or more so than most of the crew.' Dead silence from Gerry and then he agreed that I would work the next election.

You can't expect people to do the right thing..you have to hold their feet to the fire. Most BOE's are just regular folk. They don't want any 'trouble' so they do what they are told. While the boards are local, they get their direction from the State. We need pencil and paper voting. We need President Carter to help clean up our elections like he has done around the world. We are a third world nation with nuclear bombs.

[druidity33]

252. Damn it! You're right and it pisses me off!...

"We need pencil and paper voting. We need President Carter to help clean up our elections like he has done around the world. We are a third world nation with nuclear bombs. "

If Venezuela can have (ok not lately, but originally) open source voting machines with inspection and approval by Carter and associated verification organizations, why the heck can't we? Corporations. Money. We should teach civics in the 10th or 11th grade and have seniors serve as poll monitors for credit. Election day should be a Holiday, the fact that it isn't already is a travesty. Paper ballots counted in a room with observers. Done the world over. It could be done digitally, but the physicalness of the experience, the written record, the eventual potential for compost... there are many things that paper ballots can offer. On top of that we need automatic registration when you turn 18. I'd also like to see compulsory voting (No idea how this would work, but i thought maybe you could pay $10 fine on your taxes if you choose not to vote)...

mini rant off/ sorry

[peace13]

254. : )

[LiberalFighter]

276. In our state, the Election Board has limited say in who works the election

Unless there is a specific problem with a worker, the political party assigns the workers.

[Electric Monk]

95. For a good laugh, check out her transparency page. 5 hides in just the past 4 days, and 10 total.

I think the amnesty was a huge mistake, unless the Admin's intent was to make this place even more toxic, in which case it was a total success.

[artislife]

102. Gosh. I guess I love the amnesty now!

[artislife]

114. I just checked....only 2 in the last 90.

[Electric Monk]

139. The other one, above. The hidden post poster. nt

[artislife]

141. Oh...Okay.

I thought maybe since they declared amnesty, one was no longer informed when they got a hide.

[closeupready]

236. Oh HER! Yes, you are so spot on. I just sit and laugh at her lies and smears now.

So many see her for what she is; no need to worry anyone is taking her seriously.

[OilemFirchen]

115. I see what you did there.

That was a Ron Paul speech with the parties reversed.

Sneaky!

[artislife]

119. I haven't listened to Ron Paul

but maybe I should.

[OilemFirchen]

130. Alrighty then!

No text for you.

[obamanut2012]

190. Except the Dem and GOP primaries are at the same exact polls

And, in AZ, the GOP is who is "running' the primaries, so there is no way to blame HRC and DWS, unless one has CDS>

[uponit7771]

196. +1

[Andy823]

36. Yep

There seems to be a whole lot of posters here on DU who never were Democrats trying to trash the party and those running for the nomination. They are only here to make trouble, nothing else.

[Agschmid]

65. Yup.

[scottie55]

71. Yep - I Was Never A Democrat

Let's just forget the 20K I donated to Democrats since 2006.

I am now not a Democrat.

I am a Progressive Independent.

[Agschmid]

76. Am I supposed to be impressed that you have 20k to donate?

Don't we already have a poster who likes to flaunt their wallet? I don't think we need another.

[BeanMusical]

99. "Don't we already have a poster who likes to flaunt their wallet?"

You mean the Hillary fan?

[Agschmid]

103. I do ;)

[scottie55]

112. I Didn't Have 20K To Give, And I Gave Anyway

Beating back the Republican Horde was that important.

I gave when I had no money.

And I gave hours of my time too.

[BeanMusical]

126. Did you mean to reply to Agschmid?

I wasn't criticizing you.

[oasis]

120. Thanks for the 20k. Our super pacs will take over from here

until Hillary can rid us of Citizens United. Her Supreme Court picks in the next 4 years should go a long way in getting there.

[artislife]

133. Do you really believe she will do that?

I can't.

[oasis]

148. Why not? Even if she wouldn't be running for a second term

Hill will still be determined to strengthen the Democratic Party by restoring confidence in the more progressive wing.

[artislife]

150. Why wouldn't she run for a second term?

If anything, I know her legacy is paramount in importance and one term doesn't do it.

I don't think she will overturn citizens united. It keeps the grassroots down.

[Amimnoch]

187. Ginsburg and Breyer.

2 proven Clinton appointees. I have no reason to doubt that she'd continue on that path.

[senz]

179. Getting rid of Citizens United would be ungrateful to the sponsors & donors

and I'd be a little wary of Wall Street-friendly SC picks.

[Amimnoch]

188. Yet the 2 SCOTUS appointees who presided over that decision

Decided against it.

A Clinton Presidency gave us Ginsburg and Breyer.

[Kermitt Gribble]

240. I fixed your post:

There seems to be a whole lot of posters here on DU who are Traditional Democrats trying to take the party back from those who stole it from the working class. They are only here to make trouble for the Corporatists, nothing else.

[scottie55]

280. Exactly

And then some....

How about justice?

[Firebrand Gary]

13. Just so you know...

That the Republican party controls the state of Arizona and has for a long time. Democrats have ZERO say in how the elections are managed.

[AgadorSparticus]

29. Yep. Can't argue with that

[Firebrand Gary]

42. Ohh Agador....

Maybe we should give them some Perin tablets???

[AgadorSparticus]

146. Yes. Yes, we do! That is my FAVORITE line in the movie. Lol

[Firebrand Gary]

154. It's such a great film!

Great moniker my friend!

[AgadorSparticus]

159. Thank you! In the crazy world of politics, we need all the laughter we can get.

Have a good night, my friend!

[dbackjon]

15. The GOP County Recorder closed the polling locations

The Democratic Party had ZERO to do with it

[brush]

16. Calm down. Unlike caucuses run by the parties, the states run primaries and determine when polls . .

close. Take you complaints up with your secretary of state, the officer holder who usually is responsible for elections.

And as far as the election being called already, take that up with the networks who called it.

[Mary Mac]

264. such a clear headed rational reply

nt.

[brush]

266. Thank you, Mary Mac.

[alcibiades_mystery]

18. It's the "I'm no longer a Democrat" post of the March 22 primaries

Good lord, the rending of garments and gnashing of teeth when New York and California come in for Clinton is gonna be epic.

I really can't even, as the kids say.

[Agschmid]

21. I think I'll take a self imposed vacation that night.

[obamanut2012]

37. Not me

[onenote]

19. The Democrats didn't make that decision.

There are not "Democratic" polling places. There are polling places. Both Repub and Democratic primaries are being held in the same places. And the decision to cut the number of polling places was made by the republican government officials in Maricopa County. Five of the six members of the board of supervisors are repubs. Even more importantly, the "Recorder" who is the official who runs elections is Helen Purcell, a republican who has held that office since 1988.

I guess it didn't occur to you to educate yourself before deciding to jump off the bridge.

[Agschmid]

25. Aaaaaaaaaarrrrrrgggggghhhhhhh...

That's my bridge jumping noise.

I'm a foley guy in real life.

[72DejaVu]

57. Was that a Wilhelm Scream?

[Agschmid]

59. Why yes indeed!

Now if I just had a horse to dramatically fall off of.

[Surya Gayatri]

22. Adieu, O monde cruel.....

[calguy]

23. Poor Scottie

I suggest you grow up
And stop taking yourself so seriously. This isn't the end of the world. You just bet on the wrong horse, that's all.

[DesertFlower]

46. i agree. nt

[CoffeeCat]

72. Wow, just wow

You've got about as much empathy as a ping-pong ball.

It's isn't about who won or lost, for him.

It's about the voter-suppression tactics that happened in his own state.

He's not taking *himself* seriously. He took the process seriously and he was let down.

"Grow up" indeed. You sound like a middle-school bully, kicking someone when they're down.

[Ed Suspicious]

109. Amen.

[BeanMusical]

111. +1 Yes, pretty pathetic.

[senz]

181. I doubt they can understand what you are saying, CC.

I've tried. They cannot see beyond win-lose.

[KitSileya]

210. Yeah, it is about voter suppression blaming the wrong people.

We don't have much sympathy for people who blame Democrats for the bad things Republicans do, and who then refuse to acknowledge that it wasn't the Democrats' fault when we tell them who is really to blame.

The number of polling places in Arizona was decided by the Republican party. They have a majority in the committee who runs the primaries by the tune to 5 out of 6 members. But yeah, blame the Democrats and refuse to support them for what happened. It's so stupid, ridicule and strong wording is the only recourse we have.

[noiretextatique]

212. they could give a flying f

Anything to win.

[scottie55]

78. I Didn't Bet On Any Horse

I want a better future for my family, not the oligarch's families.

I am sure you don't understand.

[nolabels]

184. I can somewhat understand, i made sure there where no kids fathered by me for many of those reasons

My problem is my step-son with fiance and child has claimed me for Dad and has moved in and is helping take care of the place. Na, so don't let get you down because we only get to pass through this world once or so. Don't sweat the small stuff, it's all small stuff. Move to somewhere more hospitable if you don't like the climate.

It's easier to change your location than to change the world.

We all can only do so much after that it's up to fate and karma.

[Kali]

24. a lot of dumbasses think being independant is the "cool" thing to do

in a 2-party system, no matter how much that may suck - if you want to vote for the party preference in AZ you need to BE IN THE PARTY.

for those that wanted to vote for Sanders, THEY SHOULD HAVE FOLLOWED HIS LEAD and joined the Democratic party.

not that hard to grasp, you would think people deciding how to register would try to have some understanding of the rights and RESPONSIBILITIES of what they are doing.

[cosmicone]

34. +1000 n/t

[DesertFlower]

50. my late husband was an independent, but

wanted to vote for obama in the primary. he went on line to service arizona and changed it to democrat. very simple.

[Kali]

73. yeah, I know a few that are doing that for various strategic reasons

another thing people are getting wrong, is that this wasn't our actual primary - that happens August 30 and all can vote then.

[DesertFlower]

123. i didn't know that. by that time i would

think the nominee would be chosen.

[Kali]

167. it is all part of the crazy system, for sure

I only know the dates, have no idea about the "whys"

[frylock]

241. A lot of dumbasses know the two-party system is a fucking joke.

and have no desire to participate in that shit show. Other dumbasses really have nothing going in their lives, and need that sense of belonging that checking a box on a form gives them.

[chervilant]

267. The reports I've seen

are about people who changed their affiliation in order to vote for Bernie, and had proof of their changes -- but were not registered as Democrats. Frankly, I cannot understand why any Democrat is defending this indefensible voter disenfranchisement, regardless of the candidate they support.

(I have long had you on my IL, and I have to wonder why I even saw this post...)

[Kali]

295. I have reassessed my feelings on this, but I don't want to be a chicken shit and change my earlier

comment. I was going by previous experience with the "independents" in other elections. There does indeed seem to have been huge problems in both Pima and Maricopa counties. Especially Maricopa. (Pima experienced some kind of bomb threat!)

I apologize for jumping the gun on this story on Tuesday evening. My opinion was based on the way independents are classified here in AZ - they have never been allowed to vote in the PPE, and from the early reports it sounded like the problems were mostly a bunch of Trump fans that were all excited to come vote but weren't registered to the party. I had no idea that Maricopa county had reduced the number of poling places so drastically nor the party switching errors that were happening.

I also apologize for whatever caused you to have me on ignore (and I confess to major curiosity as to what that was, since I rarely post outside of the Lounge - and didn't we work on MIRT together a while back?).

[Jenny_92808]

287. I disagree with your defense

of the wrong. poof!

[Kali]

296. you can read my reply to chervilant, or not

I will get over your "poof" in time, I am sure.

[obamanut2012]

26. You do realize the AZ GOP did that, right?

Not the A Dems?

Oh wait, you don't.

at the number of people on DU and social media who have zero understanding of how any of this works.

[asuhornets]

27. SO...

[Codeine]

28. Educate yourself.

The party had fuck-all to do with any of that.

[cosmicone]

30. Why couldn't the young, hard working people

send a mail-in ballot?

[DesertFlower]

54. i've been using mail in ballots since '92.

[LonePirate]

32. The state party did not close polling places. The Republican in charge of Maricopa County did.

http://recorder.maricopa.gov/recorder/

Plus there was almost a month of advanceearly voting.

Overreacting much?

[onenote]

39. Over reaction seems to be the order of the day.

Its pretty tiresome.

[MadBadger]

33. Don't let the door hit ya

[valerief]

35. American "democracy" in action. This is what veterans lost limbs for. nt

[Lorien]

38. I'm with you. I thought that the party actually believed in Democracy

but if they allow this to stand, then they are no longer worth the time of those of us who still DO believe in Democracy! I'm seeing from my FB news feed that people have been standing in line for over five hours or more and are now being turned away. The AP calls it with only 2% of the mail in ballots being counted. Insane!!! If Hillary fans think this is "fair" because it lets them win a few more delegates, then they shouldn't even dare to call themselves Americans.

[we can do it]

256. I would expect something like this from someone with low post count.....

[Jenny_92808]

284. Thank you for saying

what I was thinking.

[LisaM]

40. But wasn't it the state that cut polling places, not the Democrats?

I thought it was the Republican governor and Secretary of State. They didn't have separate polling places for each party, did they?

[obamanut2012]

44. yes

[MelSC]

41. So long

Farewell...I hate to see you go.

[ebayfool]

43. Shameful of the whoever the hell in AZ (from your link).

2012 - 400 polling places record breaking turnout

2008 - 200 polling places

2016 - 60 polling places with larger record breaking turnout

This is NOT how to make voting easier. Mail-in ballots notwithstanding, going from 400 polling places to 60 is disenfranchising voters.

edit to add: Or whoever did the reduction. Where was the state Dem people when this was done? Infuriating. I'm also reading that some areas that were predominantly Latino were most affected.


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http://www.azcentral.com/story/opinion/op-ed/elviadiaz/2016/03/22/maricopa-county-election-officials-writing-off-voters-you-bet/82145554/

For weeks, some Democrats have been sounding the alarm about not enough polling places in Maricopa County for Tuesday's presidential primary.

They said the fact that some predominantly Latino areas got one or none polling places essentially translates into voter suppression.

Before, it was easy to dismiss their claims as pure conspiracy theories. It was difficult to fathom that Maricopa County election officials would purposely design a plan to keep people, especially minorities, away from the polls.

"So we looked at an area, and factored into that how many early ballots we usually get in that area and how many people normally vote at the polls. We didn’t look at it as legislative districts. We looked at the overall picture of our voters.”

So, it is no coincidence many poor and predominantly Latino areas didn’t get a polling place. Purcell and her staff figured few of them vote anyway.

She just decided to discount them. Really.

[Codeine]

47. Democrats don't control the electoral system there.

It's run by the Republicans.

[ebayfool]

77. I stand corrected. I hit the Google and caught some of the shenanigans going on ...

there. Am adding to the post.

[CoffeeCat]

52. Clearly, it is a form of voter suppression.

Not even debatable.

What a shame.

[ebayfool]

87. Yes, it is. From what I'm reading it has affected Latino communities hard. Some had ...

from none to 1 polling place in their area. Zero! Can you imagine that?

[Jenny_92808]

285. I agree...So wrong.

Last edited Sat Mar 26, 2016, 11:12 AM - Edit history (1)

We need a change. We need Bernie. Go Bernie!

I wonder.....if a President wanted to....could they sign an executive order requiring that all Federal elections were "vote by mail" like Oregon. That would stop the shenanigans.

[MadBadger]

66. LOL, if you think Democrats are in charge, why would they double polling places in 2012?

There were no candidates but Obama.

[ebayfool]

136. And I have corrected my post ...

so sweet of you to LOL. I post in haste, I correct as fast. It is appalling to see this in this country - we who send election observers to other countries.

I would hope you would find this as appalling as I do. It will still be in place in the general election, no matter who our candidate is. And that's a damnable crime.

[BeyondGeography]

45. It's always something

[workinclasszero]

131. LOL

In loved Gilda Radner, such a sweet spirit.

[CoffeeCat]

48. I am so sorry. I know exactly what you are feeling!

Believe me, I have been there. I know how it feels. You take it personally--and to heart--when it happens in your own state. It is a direct violation in your own backyard.

I have one post in the past ninety days that was hidden, and that was the post I wrote the night of the Iowa caucuses. I saw cheating and voter suppression tactics in my own caucus. It was jarring. I had friends calling me all night--telling me about cheating, miscounting and bullying. All on Hillary's side. And of course, there were big problems at the Iowa Democratic Party level. So many problems that the Des Moines Register wrote an article titled, "Something Smells in the Iowa Democratic Caucuses."

I do understand what you are feeling. I know the anger and disappointment. You are entitled to your feelings, every single one of them.

We had record turnout in our caucuses in 08. There were absolutely no problems. But this year, it was chaos, problems, tons of dirty tricks and other mayhem. All of this is clearly part of a plan that suppresses votes. It's game playing that enables cheating.

I'm so sorry. I wish I had a magic wand. All I can tell you is that I've been there and I totally understand.

When it happens to YOU in your own state, it really is devastating. We're here if you need to vent.

[astrophuss42]

160. +1000

[Jenny_92808]

283. +1000 plus +1000

[janlea]

51. Stopped being a democrat

I have a question: all of the people who had to use a provisional ballot- will they be counted? I mean, through no fault of their own, their vote would have been counted otherwise, right? so do they NOT count now or, what am I missing?

[w4rma]

63. Unless there is a court order, they will most likely be tossed into the trash.

Hope for a court order counting them.

[janlea]

145. Stopped being a democrat

Thank you, and I do hope there's a court order!

[w4rma]

163. Stay Democrat for future closed primaries. They're dying off. Folks like you are the future. (nt)

[RandySF]

53. How many times do I need to repeat the same fact?

The State of Arizona and the County election departments are running this election.

[Gwhittey]

85. People know this

Are you too dense to understand that it is DNC job to fight this. They have done zero effort as party to combat this. Because the like how it is run. For Primary lower turnout is in Hillary favor, so DNC did not bother trying to fight it, which they should of. It is such bullshit that this stuff is happening at all and worse DNC is silent. What are they going to do when the GE comes? They let this shit fly now they are going to let it fly in Nov and low turn out means Hail to Pres Trump.

[w4rma]

55. The neoliberal wing of the Democratic Party supports your decision to disenfranchise yourself in

future Democratic primaries.

Also note that it is the Republican Arizona government who did this. State Democrats only made the decision to not really do much about it, until it is too late, though.

[liberal_at_heart]

68. "State Democrats only made the decision to not really do much about it."

I get so tired of Democratic leaders going along to get along and then blaming the Republicans. The voters expect more than that.

[w4rma]

75. I haven't seen an ounce of sympathy from the neoliberal wing, yet.

All of the regular Clinton supporters are as snide and arrogant as usual about this, and future, disenfranchisement of potentially new Democratic voters.

[scottie55]

56. The Whole System Is Rigged By Both Sides

Having to wait 5 hours to cast a primary vote is sickening.

Both parties are broke, and I belong to neither.

One is obviously worse though.....

Purcell couldn't have done it if the Democrats didn't let her.

Win Win right?

Make it practically impossible to vote if you are mobile, a student or whatever.

Win, win my ass.

I've had it.

[onenote]

61. "Purcell couldn't have done it if the Democrats didn't let her"

Is your picture in the dictionary next to naive?

Maricopa County is republican. Five of six members of the board of supervisors are republican. Purcell has been elected and reelected Recorder umpteen times since 1988.

Facts just bounce off you, don't they?

[jsmirman]

100. Step 1: State some things that are untrue

Step 2: Bemoan them.

That's performance art, not an actual complaint.

[Starry Messenger]

166. +1

[snooper2]

219. So you were proving wrong with a so awesome fail OP, this is your spin?

LOL

I'm taking my blankey and I'm goin' home I say! Goin' home!

[hrmjustin]

58. Damn the bastards for voting!

[jsmirman]

62. Do you ever reach a point of embarrassment over your ignorance?

If you really care about this stuff, shouldn't you, like, know something about how any of this works???

[TheDormouse]

64. All the snark & lack of empathy for OP is very disappointing

Can no one imagine themselves in the OP's situation?

How would you feel if you were turned away or could not vote on election day?

[w4rma]

69. The Hillary supporters are all happy for their "win". From every single post, they obviously could

give a shit. And it's literally every single Clinton supporter who doesn't give a shit from what I'm seeing.

[dana_b]

173. which is no better

than those who celebrated the outcome of the 2000 election.

[MadBadger]

70. I wouldnt reflexively blame the Democrats/Hillary

I would try to act rationally.

Where does the OP say they were turned away?

[w4rma]

80. THEY'RE STILL IN LINE RIGHT NOW. (nt)

[MadBadger]

82. So not turned away

And I still don't see where the OP mentions specifically mentions this is about them.

[w4rma]

94. The largest county in Arizona screwed up people's voting registrations.

And are forcing people to vote by provisional ballots. Provisional ballots are typically thrown right into the trash.

And if you don't think that long lines aren't the equivalent of "turning people away", then I have no interest in supporting anything that you support.

[scottie55]

81. Seeing A Line 5 Hours Long Is The Same Thing

As being turned away.

[CreekDog]

93. you've been here 2 months, how much credibility do you think your story has

especially since you framed it as a conspiracy to unfairly give Hillary the nomination.

her voters have to wait in the same lines.

[w4rma]

97. Hillary's voters are mostly over 45. 77% of the early voting were from voters over 45.

So, no Hillary's supporters aren't generally in the long lines.

[snooper2]

220. yeah, but you waited for seven hours for the Iphone4 when it came out

Come on! Fess up! I have video!

[liberal_at_heart]

79. By in large voter suppression is happening to the poor and minority communities.

The Democratic Party doesn't care if they get to vote or not. Like on most issues those in well to do neighborhoods that are not having this issue "got theirs" so why do they care if someone else can't vote, especially if that vote isn't going to Hillary?

[w4rma]

88. It's the Clinton wing of the Democratic Party.

It appears to me that their priority is to hold onto power within the Democratic Party at whatever future cost. They obviously have no interest in expanding the Democratic Party to new generations of voters if it might cost them their money and power.

[scottie55]

90. Exactly

As long as the gravy train keeps a rollin' right?

Some progress has been made with zero Republican help, (thanks PBO/Party) but if my old party actually cared about the poor, and all became populists, and took care of ALL AMERICANS there would not be any Republicans.

Of course few can actually understand this.

Minimal changes around the edges while the .01% get most of the cash is not gonna make anyone's lives better.

[jsmirman]

113. Wait, you mean those communities that overwhelmingly vote for Hillary?

Yes, I'm sure Hillary doesn't care if communities that overwhelmingly vote for her get to vote.

[CreekDog]

86. he blamed the Democrats for fewer polling places in this primary than before

he blamed it on the party in a Republican state and he blamed it on the party by suggesting a conspiracy by the party to deprive Democrats of their chance to vote.

exactly what sympathy does he deserve for lying about the party?

[jsmirman]

134. It's not snark! It's annoyance!

He's making stuff up and trying to turn this into some DNC conspiracy when it's really all about what the Republicans are up to!

It's reprehensible behavior to distort the truth and reality in this way!

[KMOD]

74. Are you ok?

[hrmjustin]

83. Maybe he needs a fainting couch.

[emsimon33]

84. How Hillary thinks she can win the GE amazes me

After this, would you vote for Hillary (don't answer or you will get an alert and perhaps be banned). This type of Rovian tactic is being employed in state after state but it will finally nail the lid shut on Hillary.

[MadBadger]

92. Yes, I would vote for Hillary. Alert/Ban away

[scottie55]

101. I Didn't Say I Wouldn't Vote For Hillary

Now did I?

[scottie55]

105. "The Party" Let This Happen

My former party.

[MadBadger]

108. I wasnt talking to you

Now was I?

[w4rma]

104. And her supporters with all of their snide arrogance aren't helping her, not one little tiny bit. nt

[emsimon33]

128. The cheating and Rovian tactics aren't helping either

[Ed Suspicious]

124. I'm not comfortable with president Trump, but that is what we'll see with her as the Dem nominee.

[emsimon33]

262. Yes. I have run every scenario in my head & she can't win the GE

At least 25% of previously Yellow Dog Democrats will not vote for her based on her record (not the myth) and that percentage is climbing with her Rovian tactics and lies and the antics of the DNC; I have seen polls that indicate that at least 60% of Independents have vowed not to vote for her; once the Republicans start on her record as SoS and that of the Clinton Slush Fund, er, I mean, Foundation, even more voters will drop her; then there is the "meh" factor that does not motivate voters to go out in the cold and/or wet to vote for her; and finally she is Satan to Republicans who will come out in droves to vote against her.

Scary, very scary!

[Jenny_92808]

289. That is why

we must vote for Bernie!

[seabeyond]

260. So, repugs suppress the vote, and you trash Clinton. Classic.

[Jenny_92808]

288. Vote Bernie is the answer!

[scottie55]

96. No One Could Believe Bush Could Be Re-Elected

Just like no one believes Trump can beat Hillary.

God I would like to meet your dealers.

[DhhD]

198. Did Arizona Republicans shut down the voting places in order to help place a certain nominee

opposite their Conservative nominee on the November 2016 ballot? If so, what candidate would that be? Up thread someone wrote that the true Primary was coming up at the end of March. Hope the ADP can clarify this.

[book_worm]

106. Oh, it was the state party not the GOP Governor & legislature that closed all the polling places?

You guys always have excuses when you lose.

[w4rma]

117. Yet another arrogant and snide Hillary supporter, who is pissing on all the under 45 voters. (nt)

[scottie55]

127. I Never Said Bernie Was Gonna Win

I said the bullshit and cowardice of my former party became too much to bear.

I am no longer a part of the chicken party.

[w4rma]

151. Stay. Younger voters are Berniecrats. Clintonites are over 65 and will be mostly dead from old age.

And they have, truly, run this nation into the ground.

[scottie55]

118. No

It is a little more complicated than that.

Tell you what.

Keep the polling places open for another week, and see who comes and votes without having to stand in line for hours.

Make it fair.

Ain't gonna happen.

Ever.

[DesertRat]

110. "The party" didn't consolidate the polling places

The STATE (which is run by Republicans, btw) did, based on previous presidential preference elections. This was a Republican, Democrat and Green party election.

We have far more Republicans in this state and they voted today too. I don't see them complaining.

I've lived here all my life. It's not hard to vote here.

[w4rma]

121. It's so not hard to vote "here" that people are still waiting in line as you arrogantly post that.nt

[MadBadger]

132. Ignoring the point again

[scottie55]

135. So I Take It You Mailed In Your Ballot Right?

Yer not in college right?

Mobile right?

Poor right?

Working 2 jobs right?

You don't get it.

No one in the Democratic Party is fighting for the right to easily vote in the Red States.

Zero.

We (my old party) lose.

Always.

No one is smart enough to figure it out.

[w4rma]

144. Not "noone". The older Democrats definitely could care less about the younger generations, though.

And older Democrats are, currently, selfishly holding onto their positions until they retire or die off.

[KitSileya]

214. If you're working 2 jobs, wouldn't it be logical to vote in advance?

Wouldn't young people in college have a better ability to actually find out the rules of how to do that online?

I agree with you that reducing polling places is a bad decision, because I am for making it as easy as possible to vote. The lines in AZ though were caused not only by fewer polling places, but also by Independents who stood in line because they wanted to cast votes they aren't allowed to cast in a closed primary. But in the future, if you keep your (I), you don't have to ever vote in a primary again. Comfort yourself with that thought.

[MadBadger]

122. This has been stated many times. The OP and others are selectively ignoring posts like these.

[CorkySt.Clair]

125. ...

/

[BeyondGeography]

138. Raul Grijalva was just on MSNBC acknowledging Clinton's strength in AZ

He endorsed Obama in 2008 and said he saw basically the same race this time around. Not a word about the state being stolen from Bernie by voting irregularities.

[riversedge]

164. oh, nobody stole nothing. Clinton voters got out in LARGE numbers. BS not so much

[w4rma]

169. Are you another happy 65+ Hillary supporter pissing on all the 45 and younger voters?

Btw, Bernie's supporters DID turnout. And Bernie's supporters are STILL in line. Only the early votes have really been counted, so far.

[KitSileya]

215. Are you saying that age determines a person's worth?

Or the worth of a person's vote? Should we disenfranchise everyone when they turn 65?

There are more young people than old people - if young people came out to vote, they could change the world. However, as evidenced by this primary season, that is not the case.

[Chan790]

140. Stay.

We need all of us to continue to wage this war for the future of the party. Don't leave...get more involved, work to run Hillary's surrogates out the party, out of the DNC, and out of Congress. Work to take back Congress and the party...the assclowns keep winning because after every loss for the progressive wing of the party, we all get disenchanted and leave or give-up. We need to not do that this time. The campaign for 2020 starts before the campaign for 2016 has even ended for progressives.

Don't leave...double down and I promise you it will be worth it in 4 years when we primary a sitting President out of office. All the disppointment you feel tonight, you will be able to revisit it upon Hillary's supporters and it will be sweet.

[bkkyosemite]

142. Weaver just said numbers not right they are waiting til morning for AZ count.

[scottie55]

143. And I Just Love Being Banned Off The Trending Now

On the front page.

This is what happens when you tell the truth too much.

[Dem2]

153. Welcome to DU!

[Agschmid]

155. ... You personally were banned?

[Chan790]

162. No, the entirety of GD:P is.

It's supposed to restore civility to the rest of the non-GD:P fora. It's not working.

The party is broken and the pieces would rather jab broken edges at each other than unite.

[scottie55]

170. Yep, This Piece Is Tired Of Being Ripped Off

By the folks the other pieces are working for.

Who are funding their campaigns.

[Maru Kitteh]

171. Hey. This is Democratic Underground. For DEMOCRATS.

You stopped being a Democrat like 3&1/2 hours ago. You're not on the front page?



Why would you care?

[Jenny_92808]

290. so true!

DU owners are in the bag for Hillary and it shows.

[scottie55]

149. Correction

"the party rigged the election"

Should say parties.

Strongly favors incumbents, and establishment candidates.

Change, ain't gonna happen.

[w4rma]

156. Clinton-style centrist economics rests on a surprisingly shaky foundation

The center-left economic policy consensus that dominated the administrations of Barack Obama and Bill Clinton now rests on surprisingly shaky electoral foundations. Not only is Clinton relying on older voters to beat Sanders, she's relying specifically on African-American votes and the institutional support of labor unions. Both groups have their reasons for backing Clinton in 2016, but neither is a reliable supporter of centrist economics.
http://www.vox.com/2016/3/21/11273978/clinton-shaky-foundation

[joshcryer]

175. The Republicans rigged it and you blamed the Democrats.

Good job.

[hereforthevoting]

176. It's a shame

Many dems seem to support the brain drain. You go on and vote for whomever and whatever makes you feel like you can sleep at night. I am voting my conscience this election myself. I hope whatever was done that wasnt right gets figured out.

[Trust Buster]

178. ADIOS !!!!!!!!! LOL

[corbettkroehler]

185. Why I Left Years Ago

I cannot add to your powerful statement except to say that I concur. I joined the Green Party in 2008. I live in Florida and, even though a Sanders Campaign volunteer called me to ask if I'd change my affiliation in order to vote in the primary, I had to decline.

I knew that I could change it again for the general. The Supervisor of Elections in my county is a Democrat and generally does a fine job in promoting equanimity in the process. Even so, I couldn't bring myself to switch (and I have donated multiple times to the Sanders campaign).

On the bright side, because Sanders barely contested Florida, if I had swallowed my integrity and switched, it would not have mattered.

Our democracy is a debacle and a Clinton presidency would not fix this most urgent problem.

[Jenny_92808]

291. Every one of us counts

Don't dismiss that. To create change, we must do it from the inside, not just give up.

[JFKcrat]

192. It's time to start planning for the Big One

Protest the Convention https://www.facebook.com/events/1262141703800004/

[brooklynite]

211. How idiotic...

...what exactly are you protesting? The management of a Party you choose not to be affiliated with?

...the selection of a candidate of a Party you choose not to be affiliated with?

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

197. Glad you got your anti mail ballot and early voting shots in

I know a party who hits all those talking points

[Doremus]

200. Ohio 2004

Page 666 from the Rove-Blackwell manual "How to Steal Ohio."

[artyteacher]

201. then get off a Democratic forum. eom

[Bettie]

202. Honestly, even the Clinton people should be

concerned by this.

If it can happen in a primary, it can happen in a general election as well.

How will they feel when, emboldened by their success in closing polls in the primary, they decide that it is a good idea to do the same in November, in areas with normally heavy Democratic turnout?

[JEB]

233. No concern from them at all. Only grave dancing. They really know

how to unify the party. Not.

[Bettie]

234. And yet, you'd think that they would be concerned

about vote suppression, as any nominee will have to face that.

Or is it all still the "she's inevitable" thing.

Suppression is a HUGE issue in any election. Ignoring it because it might favor one candidate or another is just stupid, because it can come back to bite anyone in the butt later on.

I can't imagine that the Clinton folks will think voter suppression is a non-issue if it happens against them.

[JEB]

235. Election fraud should be top of the agenda for any candidate.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511559532

[rjsquirrel]

205. Awww

we will miss you!

Trump awaits your idealistic support.

[Jitter65]

206. Ok, so you join the over 200,000 who are not Democarats but tried to vote as one yesterday. nt

[JoePhilly]

207. Blaming the wrong people ... The tradition continues.

The GOP does something bad, so naturally it's the dens who are to blame.

[Kip Humphrey]

208. One can't take the party of FDR back from the 3rd-Way Republicrats by quiting the party.

[BernieforPres2016]

213. You have to be delusional to think the 3rd way Republicrats will cede control

It is going to require a 3rd party.

[Autumn Colors]

251. ^^^ This ^^^

I think we'll see the birth of this as a result of our primary season this year.

[BernieforPres2016]

216. Between SuperDelegates, voter suppression and selling out to big money

The Democratic Party should consider a simple name change to the Undemocratic Party.

[Fresh_Start]

217. I've been independent for almost my entire life

(I was green in my first two years of voting, making me left of the left).

but last night I registered as a republican.
My state has open democratic primary and closed republican primary.
I've decided that I will support either democratic candidate.
And since for the first time in my life, my vote might make a difference, I want to be disruptive to the GOP.

[TBF]

218. I am switching from dem to indy here in TX -

I have had it. And I have voted for the democratic candidate for president in every election since 1992.

Enough is enough.

[lmbradford]

226. Stop saying that independants didn't switch there affiliation

That is an incorrect assumption. Documented over and over, by the thousands, was the fact that these people had voter registration cards that showed their new affiliation of Dem. The computer showed them as R, I, or unaffiliated. One woman has been a Dem for thirty years and all of a sudden the computer showed her as Libertarian. She and thousands of others had to get a provisional ballot. I think that the only way to make this election even remotely fair is to count those provisional ballots. Get a court order and count the votes for Goodness Sake. This is a travesty. This isn't about people who didn't do it right. This about people who did.

[djean111]

227. Isn't it funny how the fact that they DID switch, they DID follow up - is being totally

swept under the rug? One of those "repeat a lie often enough and people will believe it" things.

[polichick]

230. Welcome to the democratic (small d) club!

[George II]

231. Did you vote yesterday?

[randome]

232. Then you can't vote in closed primaries so you're effectively giving up your right to vote.

It's funny how some think registering as 'Independent' means they can vote for any party they want to. It doesn't work that way and it never has. Being a member of the Democratic Party entitles you (in closed primaries) to vote for that party's representative.

All you're doing is giving up, and giving up for the most pretentious of reasons -a Republican state-run debacle with voting registrations.

What a heroic gesture.
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[Peacetrain]

243. ^^^^^^^^^^^6

[Onlooker]

239. Oh No! Scottie55 stopped being a Democrat. See ya! n/t

[DisgustipatedinCA]

249. I'm considering doing the same after the General. You can make fun of me too.

But it's going to be a numbers game, and I think you'll eventually lose.

[Onlooker]

253. Why should anyone really care?

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I mean I thought about not being a Democrat after the anti-union, anti-regulation Jimmy Carter was elected, but decided to stay, but what difference would it have made either way? You want the Democrats to drift right, leave them. If the left leaves the Democrats than Bernie's campaign will be in vein. But, every election, we win some, we lose some. It's not a big deal, and not a threat.

[cui bono]

244. Election fraud always benefits the right wing. This time, the right wing of the Dem Party.

It's still TPTB doing it to the people. The Dem Party is lost. This primary season the leadership has shown they don't care about what's good for the people, they only do what they think strategically benifits the status quo, the establishment.

I'm glad I left the party when Clinton sold out with NAFTA and welfare. Pretty soon I'll stop voting Dem too, and so will many others. The party is going to die soon if they keep this up. The only saving grace is that the same thing is going on in the GOP, so maybe both will die and two new parties will spring up.

.

[EndElectoral]

247. The Maricopa polling reduction is a disgrace and inexcusable...who decided this reduction and why

[jwirr]

250. Dems let her close down 70% of the polling places without

a fight ---- you have a right to be angry. The state Democratic Party should have protested and they should have appealed to the DNC and DWS to appeal. That is their job. NOW they should be asking for a re-vote.

[Lorien]

258. Either a re-vote, or toss out ALL the votes from Arizona!

It's bad enough that election fraud went unchallenged in MA, OH, FL (yes, the same shenanigans happened here), IL, MO, etc. Arizona was sloppy and so blatant, and the behavior of many Hillbots here proves that some of them were in on it. Any honorable and fair minded true Democrat would be horrified, not matter who benefited from it. The fact that they are all spinning like tops with flimsy excuses for some of the most disgusted and un-Democratic actions ever taken by the party (yes, THE PARTY, not the GOP, as some of them like to pretend) shows just how low they are willing to go. They've destroyed the party's reputation for the ambitions of just two power hungry people: HRC and DWS! Both Clinton and Schultz's names will be synonymous with "Fraud" and "Theft" from this day forward!

[jwirr]

261. Exactly.

[DonCoquixote]

255. take solace folks

When those Reagan Democrats and "independent voters" do not save Hillary, the people who make fun of you will be begging for your money and time, and even if by that effort they are spared from the noose, Debbie Wasserman Schultz and lady Rothschild will insist that the perfect time to get rid of you is right after the election. That is ok, because even if Hillary ins this one, even her friends can see the Clinton machine sputter and cough, which means come 2020, she will "retire" and either try to placate voters with her veep, or get run over FLAT by a primary challenger (and god let it be Tulsi Gubbard or Liz)

[BlueStateLib]

269. For a Dem Tulsi Gubbard has a pretty conservative voting record, she ranks

161th liberal out of 185 house democrats
http://voteview.com/HOUSE_SORT113.HTM

[Jenny_92808]

294. I want

Warren, not Tulsi in future Presidential elections. Now, I want Bernie. Go Bernie!

[Lorien]

257. Now we finally know exactly WHY Hillfolk say they don't need or want our votes

The paid people posting here know the election is rigged. We are already hearing about how Team Hillary is laying the groundwork in NY, CA, PA and elsewhere to pull multiple thefts like what we say last night, with the help of the MSM. "Vote Blue no matter who" no longer holds any water; our votes won't be counted in the GE if she steals the primary, so we can vote for whomever we like without a second thought.

[Jenny_92808]

293. You are right and that is why

we must do every thing we can to overcome their cheating!

[seabeyond]

259. Bully for you. How about blaming the ones responsible? Oh wait, where is the fun in that.

[DrDan]

268. I want to make sure I understand this - the county recorder, a republican, closes polling

stations . . . and this leads you to leaving the Democratic party.

I am not that good at pretzel-logic . . . so could you please lay this out for me simply.

Because, to be honest, it sounds like textbook faux-outrage.

Thanks

[LiberalFighter]

278. Don't forget this is the state where Supreme Court Justice William Rehnquist

worked at polling locations to intimidate voters with the purpose of preventing them from voting.

[DrDan]

282. were there Democrats who left the party over his intimidation? I sort of doubt it.

[rock]

277. Great way to do your part to get Republicans elected

Ah, the Grand Ol' Party. Who knows what they'll bring?

[cantbeserious]

279. IMHO - Both The RNC And DNC Are Captured Corporate Interests Run For The Benefit Of The 1%

eom

[Jenny_92808]

292. Yep!

That is it in a nutshell!

[Odin2005]

298. Hillary supporters put party over principle.

They only care about "their side" winning, nothing else matters, issues don't matter to them.