Wed Mar 23, 2016, 10:03 AM

ViseGrip (3,133 posts)

Bernie won the majority of delegates last night, but Hillary group says she won.

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Bernie won the majority of delegates last night, but Hillary group says she won. (Original post)	ViseGrip	Mar 2016	OP
The towering 300 delegate lead she's got is all the "medication" we need.	DanTex	Mar 2016	#1
Not to mention 2.5 million more people	workinclasszero	Mar 2016	#37
+1000	stonecutter357	Mar 2016	#54
Delegates	metroins	Mar 2016	#2
yeah this.... eom	artyteacher	Mar 2016	#51
Two replies, and I'm seeing nothing. Mayhap you struck a nerve. nt	VulgarPoet	Mar 2016	#3
Echo... Echo...	Agschmid	Mar 2016	#40
I can only see ten	chervilant	Mar 2016	#52
3 more states down. Bernie is running out of states.	JaneyVee	Mar 2016	#4
they are a delusional lot.	Cobalt Violet	Mar 2016	#5
That's a lot of stupid voters you presume to know!	randome	Mar 2016	#28
Yes, "delusional" would be pinning your candidate's hopes on a non-existent indictment. nt	CalvinballPro	Mar 2016	#32
+! And there you have it. The great hope of how Bernie can win. n/t	Sheepshank	Mar 2016	#47
Bernie won last night - despite the media's blatant spin.	lagomorph777	Mar 2016	#68
A little bit further than 1st grade will inform that to close a 304 delegate gap,	Thor_MN	Mar 2016	#72
Would 80/20 margins qualify?	lagomorph777	Mar 2016	#73
He is doing just fine. Go Bernie! We are waiting for you here in CA! nt	thereismore	Mar 2016	#88
Perhaps in your rush to see only what you want to see, you confused me with someone else?	Thor_MN	Mar 2016	#90
It's more than stupid and delusional. nt	grasswire	Mar 2016	#82
umadbro?	stonecutter357	Mar 2016	#6
Is there a total for delegates won last night?	casperthegm	Mar 2016	#7
Bernie won pretty handily overall	lagomorph777	Mar 2016	#74
Excellent	casperthegm	Mar 2016	#80
I enjoy it when a guy scores a touchdown, and then celebrates wildly ...	JoePhilly	Mar 2016	#8
Joe, Joe, sarcasm will get you nowhere...	Surya Gayatri	Mar 2016	#14
So what?	Dem2	Mar 2016	#9
Jury Results	MidwestTech	Mar 2016	#10
More chickenshit alerts. Thanks, admins.	arcane1	Mar 2016	#35
Wow, they didn't even provide a reason for the alert	EmperorHasNoClothes	Mar 2016	#55
Hey, thanks for reminding me!	Lizzie Poppet	Mar 2016	#11
so you think that trolling a protected group reflects well on you? nt	geek tragedy	Mar 2016	#17
Wait, you actually think I care what the Ostrich Army thinks of me?	Lizzie Poppet	Mar 2016	#18
okay, if your ego needs the satisfaction of trolling people out of malice, go for it nt	geek tragedy	Mar 2016	#19
Golly, thanks! I was _totally_ waiting for your permission.	Lizzie Poppet	Mar 2016	#20
you all have been such angels of good will, community building, and civility nt	geek tragedy	Mar 2016	#21
I can't speak for anyone but myself...	Lizzie Poppet	Mar 2016	#24
let us just say that everyone outside the Bernie Bubble has a good chuckle	geek tragedy	Mar 2016	#25
Holy shit, a psychic! Can you also tell the future?	Lizzie Poppet	Mar 2016	#29
a doper nt	geek tragedy	Mar 2016	#30
Sadly, that's probably a good call.	Lizzie Poppet	Mar 2016	#31
...	Agschmid	Mar 2016	#41
Revealed? Um...	Lizzie Poppet	Mar 2016	#43
You made someone mad.	Loudestlib	Mar 2016	#66
Thanks. And thanks, jurors, for recognizing the lack of threat.	Lizzie Poppet	Mar 2016	#69
One more time...	progressoid	Mar 2016	#70
Fortunately, the alert/jury system is changing soon, and that sort of abuse will be punished.	Lizzie Poppet	Mar 2016	#71
None of those alerts were mine, I know you won't believe me most likely...	Agschmid	Mar 2016	#75
On the contrary: I have no reason to believe you're a liar.	Lizzie Poppet	Mar 2016	#79
Thanks.	Agschmid	Mar 2016	#84
Bernie missed his delegate target last night by double digits. That should concern you. nt	hack89	Mar 2016	#12
I believe the delegates haven't been completely awarded yet...but...	bobbobbins01	Mar 2016	#38
He has only hit his target in 11 of 29 states	hack89	Mar 2016	#44
Ok, but the percentages still are on pace.	bobbobbins01	Mar 2016	#45
It is not that straight forward.	hack89	Mar 2016	#48
He doesn't have to win every state to have a chance.	bobbobbins01	Mar 2016	#50
First off he is not going to "crush" California.	hack89	Mar 2016	#53
The last poll was end of Dec in CA and it was already a close race.	bobbobbins01	Mar 2016	#56
That poll had Hillary as an 11 point favorite	hack89	Mar 2016	#59
Because they all do as it gets closer to voting time?	bobbobbins01	Mar 2016	#60
Did you notice that Hillary is over performing on her path to victory	hack89	Mar 2016	#62
He picked up a percentage point last night.	bobbobbins01	Mar 2016	#63
NY and CA is not friendlier territory. Not white enough. nt	hack89	Mar 2016	#64
What were the final delegate totals?	oberliner	Mar 2016	#13
67 for Sanders, 51 for Clinton, I believe. /nt	Marr	Mar 2016	#16
Do you have a source for that?	oberliner	Mar 2016	#23
I don't, sorry.	Marr	Mar 2016	#26
Found something online	oberliner	Mar 2016	#36
Nope - Bernie +71, Hillary+54	lagomorph777	Mar 2016	#81
Yes, that is the update	oberliner	Mar 2016	#89
Bernie missed his target while Hillary hit hers.	Kaleva	Mar 2016	#15
Bernie kept himself in the race, but the logic is...	phantom power	Mar 2016	#22
Add to that the net delegates from Democrats Abroad	Autumn Colors	Mar 2016	#86
do the math again. Hillary won by 2	MariaThinks	Mar 2016	#27
Huh?	EmperorHasNoClothes	Mar 2016	#58
SO bizarre reading all the media stories trumpeting Hillary's "victory"...	lagomorph777	Mar 2016	#67
He could actually win the primary	New Earth	Mar 2016	#78
When he's sitting in the Oval Office, will it be a "moral victory" for Hillary?	lagomorph777	Mar 2016	#83
But WHO CARES????	pdsimdars	Mar 2016	#33
I wouldn't know what they were saying	BernieforPres2016	Mar 2016	#42
sorry your man lost last night.	stonecutter357	Mar 2016	#34
Hillary lost Utah and Idaho and won Arizona.	NuclearDem	Mar 2016	#39
Did Sanders win 58% or more of the March 22 delegates?	Garrett78	Mar 2016	#46
Utah and Idaho are huge swing states, too.	grossproffit	Mar 2016	#49
.	libodem	Mar 2016	#57
Hillary is winning	asuhornets	Mar 2016	#61
There's a kind of circular (il)logic at work.	lumberjack_jeff	Mar 2016	#65
He won more delegates but it didn't change the dynamics of the primary.	upaloopa	Mar 2016	#76
Congrats for...	MrWendel	Mar 2016	#77
Sounds like..	desmiller	Mar 2016	#85
They're probably discussing delegate targets or the general lead.	shadowandblossom	Mar 2016	#87
Locking...	one_voice	Mar 2016	#91

Response to ViseGrip (Original post)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 10:04 AM

DanTex (20,709 posts)

1. The towering 300 delegate lead she's got is all the "medication" we need.

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Response to DanTex (Reply #1)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 12:18 PM

workinclasszero (28,270 posts)

37. Not to mention 2.5 million more people

have voted for Hillary over Bernie.

The OP can keep living in fantasyland.

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Response to workinclasszero (Reply #37)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 02:06 PM

stonecutter357 (12,564 posts)

54. +1000

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Response to ViseGrip (Original post)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 10:05 AM

metroins (2,550 posts)

2. Delegates

Hillary is on target, Bernie is further behind target.

The vast majority of us don't dislike Sanders. It's just disingenuous to suggest he's got a real, credible, path to the nomination.

Hillary is up in popular vote and delegates. It's just facts.

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Response to metroins (Reply #2)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 01:54 PM

artyteacher (598 posts)

51. yeah this.... eom

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Response to ViseGrip (Original post)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 10:05 AM

VulgarPoet (2,872 posts)

3. Two replies, and I'm seeing nothing. Mayhap you struck a nerve. nt

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Response to VulgarPoet (Reply #3)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 12:20 PM

Agschmid (28,749 posts)

40. Echo... Echo...

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Response to VulgarPoet (Reply #3)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 01:57 PM

chervilant (8,267 posts)

52. I can only see ten

of 42 responses. I think I am successfully using my IL.

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Response to ViseGrip (Original post)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 10:06 AM

JaneyVee (19,877 posts)

4. 3 more states down. Bernie is running out of states.

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Response to ViseGrip (Original post)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 10:09 AM

Cobalt Violet (9,897 posts)

5. they are a delusional lot.

Although supporting someone under fbi investigation that could lead to a indictment is stupid rather than delusional.

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Response to Cobalt Violet (Reply #5)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 12:05 PM

randome (34,845 posts)

28. That's a lot of stupid voters you presume to know!

[hr][font color="blue"][center]TECT in the name of the Representative approves of this post.[/center][/font][hr]

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Response to Cobalt Violet (Reply #5)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 12:10 PM

CalvinballPro (1,019 posts)

32. Yes, "delusional" would be pinning your candidate's hopes on a non-existent indictment. nt

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Response to CalvinballPro (Reply #32)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 01:41 PM

Sheepshank (12,504 posts)

47. +! And there you have it. The great hope of how Bernie can win. n/t

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Response to Sheepshank (Reply #47)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 02:56 PM

lagomorph777 (30,613 posts)

68. Bernie won last night - despite the media's blatant spin.

He won 71 delegates; she won 54. This is 1st-grade arithmetic. Apparently most reporters did not graduate 1st grade.

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Response to lagomorph777 (Reply #68)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 03:44 PM

Thor_MN (11,843 posts)

72. A little bit further than 1st grade will inform that to close a 304 delegate gap,

the margin of victory in the remaining states has to be much greater than yesterday. Bernie did win the day, but not by a margin great enough to significantly cut into Clinton's lead.

Unless the delegate counts are much closer or flipped from the ratio they are now, the Super Delegates are going to go the way they have indicated. One can say they don't count yet, but absent an amazing comeback, they have already given an indication of what they will do.

I'm fine with either candidate and view things realistically. Sanders will need some incredible blowouts to not be in second place come the convention.

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Response to Thor_MN (Reply #72)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 03:50 PM

lagomorph777 (30,613 posts)

73. Would 80/20 margins qualify?

'cause that's what he got in Idaho and Utah last night.

For the three states combined, he got 31% margin.

And the upcoming states are even friendlier to Bernie.

On edit: I notice you deleted mention of the 18% margin he will need going forward.

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Response to lagomorph777 (Reply #73)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 04:04 PM

thereismore (13,326 posts)

88. He is doing just fine. Go Bernie! We are waiting for you here in CA! nt

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Response to lagomorph777 (Reply #73)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 04:12 PM

Thor_MN (11,843 posts)

90. Perhaps in your rush to see only what you want to see, you confused me with someone else?

I did not delete anything.

Sanders will need an incredible comeback to invoke the "Super Delegates don't count" mantra. I wish him luck in that, but will not be holding my breath. Like I said, I'm fine with either of them. I'm not a spoiled brat, "My way or I'm taking the ball home."

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Response to Cobalt Violet (Reply #5)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 03:59 PM

grasswire (50,130 posts)

82. It's more than stupid and delusional. nt

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Response to ViseGrip (Original post)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 10:13 AM

stonecutter357 (12,564 posts)

6. umadbro?

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Response to stonecutter357 (Reply #6)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 10:14 AM

casperthegm (643 posts)

7. Is there a total for delegates won last night?

Should be simple math. What's the total for each candidate?

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Response to casperthegm (Reply #7)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 03:52 PM

lagomorph777 (30,613 posts)

74. Bernie won pretty handily overall

Arizona · 75 delegates
99% reporting · Clinton won and has 44 delegates, Sanders has 30
Idaho · 23 delegates
100% reporting · Sanders won and has 17 delegates, Clinton has 5
Utah · 33 delegates
99% reporting · Sanders won and has 24 delegates, Clinton has 5

https://www.google.com/search?q=bernie+delegatges&oq=bernie+delegatges&aqs=chrome..69i57.3343j0j1&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8#q=bernie+delegates&eob=m.09c7w0/D/3/full/m.09c7w0/g.11bx8sb_zm

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Response to lagomorph777 (Reply #74)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 03:56 PM

casperthegm (643 posts)

80. Excellent

Thanks for the info

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Response to ViseGrip (Original post)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 10:17 AM

JoePhilly (27,787 posts)

8. I enjoy it when a guy scores a touchdown, and then celebrates wildly ...

... forgetting that he's still down by about 300 points.

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Response to JoePhilly (Reply #8)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 11:26 AM

Surya Gayatri (15,445 posts)

14. Joe, Joe, sarcasm will get you nowhere...

but, it sure can be a good laugh...

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Response to ViseGrip (Original post)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 10:18 AM

Dem2 (8,164 posts)

9. So what?

I trashed both "specialty" groups and I never visited either.

I can think for myself without the peer pressure to conform.

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Response to ViseGrip (Original post)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 10:22 AM

MidwestTech (170 posts)

10. Jury Results

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Wed Mar 23, 2016, 12:17 PM

arcane1 (38,613 posts)

35. More chickenshit alerts. Thanks, admins.

I hope you're happy.

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Wed Mar 23, 2016, 02:10 PM

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55. Wow, they didn't even provide a reason for the alert

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Response to ViseGrip (Original post)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 10:23 AM

Lizzie Poppet (10,164 posts)

11. Hey, thanks for reminding me!

I've never gotten around to getting banned there. Now to think of the best post to accomplish that with...

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Response to Lizzie Poppet (Reply #11)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 11:30 AM

geek tragedy (68,868 posts)

17. so you think that trolling a protected group reflects well on you? nt

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Response to geek tragedy (Reply #17)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 11:42 AM

Lizzie Poppet (10,164 posts)

18. Wait, you actually think I care what the Ostrich Army thinks of me?

Oh, that's just adorable.

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Wed Mar 23, 2016, 11:44 AM

geek tragedy (68,868 posts)

19. okay, if your ego needs the satisfaction of trolling people out of malice, go for it nt

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Response to geek tragedy (Reply #19)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 11:47 AM

Lizzie Poppet (10,164 posts)

20. Golly, thanks! I was _totally_ waiting for your permission.

Free clue: I'll be doing this solely because of countless Hillary acolytes (like you) who've treated me and other Bernie supporters with smug condescension, loyalty demands, and general asshattery. "As you sow..."

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Response to Lizzie Poppet (Reply #20)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 11:48 AM

geek tragedy (68,868 posts)

21. you all have been such angels of good will, community building, and civility nt

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Response to geek tragedy (Reply #21)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 11:58 AM

Lizzie Poppet (10,164 posts)

24. I can't speak for anyone but myself...

...but I know I didn't fire the first shots.

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Wed Mar 23, 2016, 11:58 AM

geek tragedy (68,868 posts)

25. let us just say that everyone outside the Bernie Bubble has a good chuckle

whenever Bernie partisans complain about online vitriol

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Response to geek tragedy (Reply #25)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 12:07 PM

Lizzie Poppet (10,164 posts)

29. Holy shit, a psychic! Can you also tell the future?

Who ya got for the Tour d'France?

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Wed Mar 23, 2016, 12:07 PM

geek tragedy (68,868 posts)

30. a doper nt

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Wed Mar 23, 2016, 12:09 PM

Lizzie Poppet (10,164 posts)

31. Sadly, that's probably a good call.

Kinda glad my racing days are over. Not that there has ever been nearly as much doping on the women's side: no money in it, so a lot less motivation.

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Wed Mar 23, 2016, 12:21 PM

Agschmid (28,749 posts)

41. ...

The truth is revealed.

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Wed Mar 23, 2016, 12:24 PM

Lizzie Poppet (10,164 posts)

43. Revealed? Um...

...it's not like I've been concealing anything. Payback's a...well...me. It's not like I pretend otherwise...although I do avoid first strikes.

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Wed Mar 23, 2016, 02:51 PM

Loudestlib (980 posts)

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Wed Mar 23, 2016, 03:05 PM

Lizzie Poppet (10,164 posts)

69. Thanks. And thanks, jurors, for recognizing the lack of threat.

Well...except the one.

And to the transparently obvious alert swarmer(s): better luck next time...bless your heart!

To be explicit: I'd never, ever threaten or commit physical violence upon anyone not actively trying to harm me or obviously about to.

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Wed Mar 23, 2016, 03:35 PM

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Wed Mar 23, 2016, 03:44 PM

Lizzie Poppet (10,164 posts)

71. Fortunately, the alert/jury system is changing soon, and that sort of abuse will be punished.

Can't wait...

And to whoever's stalking me, grow a fucking spine and PM me if you have a problem.

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Response to Lizzie Poppet (Reply #71)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 03:52 PM

Agschmid (28,749 posts)

75. None of those alerts were mine, I know you won't believe me most likely...

But I clearly have no problem saying what I feel in the thread.

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Wed Mar 23, 2016, 03:55 PM

Lizzie Poppet (10,164 posts)

79. On the contrary: I have no reason to believe you're a liar.

No problem taking you at your word...

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Wed Mar 23, 2016, 04:00 PM

Agschmid (28,749 posts)

84. Thanks.

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Response to ViseGrip (Original post)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 10:25 AM

hack89 (39,136 posts)

12. Bernie missed his delegate target last night by double digits. That should concern you. nt

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Response to hack89 (Reply #12)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 12:19 PM

bobbobbins01 (1,681 posts)

38. I believe the delegates haven't been completely awarded yet...but...

Including Democrats Abroad 2 days ago, he needed 57.5% and he has 57.6%. Not much of a buffer going forward, but it still puts him on pace, so he is hitting the appropriate numbers right now. Washington is going to be a real bellwether.

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Response to bobbobbins01 (Reply #38)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 12:58 PM

hack89 (39,136 posts)

44. He has only hit his target in 11 of 29 states

he is badly under performing.

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Response to hack89 (Reply #44)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 01:37 PM

bobbobbins01 (1,681 posts)

45. Ok, but the percentages still are on pace.

So he's overperforming by .1%. Its the math!

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Response to bobbobbins01 (Reply #45)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 01:42 PM

hack89 (39,136 posts)

48. It is not that straight forward.

because of how the delegates are distributed. He can win 57% of the delegates in the next couple of weeks and have it all wiped out by Hillary winning NY by anything over 50%. Margin of victory in big states is the key here. In any case, the required percentage goes up with every state that he fails to meet his target. And he has to win every state to even have a chance.

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Response to hack89 (Reply #48)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 01:48 PM

bobbobbins01 (1,681 posts)

50. He doesn't have to win every state to have a chance.

California alone has enough delegates to make up the difference. So even if Hillary takes 50% in NY, he could crush CA and end it right there. The possibilities are endless! Bernie outperformed UT and ID by something like 40-50%....who knows how NY and CA will look. Not to mention he bought himself a lot of time to campaign in those states. MI was won because they ran ads weeks in advance, OH was lost because they didn't until late in the game. I don't think you, me or anyone really knows how this will play out. But its fun to speculate.

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Response to bobbobbins01 (Reply #50)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 02:04 PM

hack89 (39,136 posts)

53. First off he is not going to "crush" California.

Hillary right now is favored to win - you know as well as I do that Bernie does not do well in large states with diverse populations. Nothing is going to magically change that fact.

If he won CA by 20 percentage points he would net 115 delegates. He is not going to be anywhere near 200 delegates much less 115 delegates going into CA.

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Response to hack89 (Reply #53)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 02:11 PM

bobbobbins01 (1,681 posts)

56. The last poll was end of Dec in CA and it was already a close race.

So saying she's favored to win isn't saying much, that number has probably changed dramatically by now...and there are plenty of other big states in play(most also with ancient polling) before then to make up the rest.

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Response to bobbobbins01 (Reply #56)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 02:23 PM

hack89 (39,136 posts)

59. That poll had Hillary as an 11 point favorite

why would it change dramatically in Bernie's favor? It is a large state with an ethnically diverse population. Bernie does not do well in states like that. That is why he is not going to "crush" CA or NY.

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Wed Mar 23, 2016, 02:33 PM

bobbobbins01 (1,681 posts)

60. Because they all do as it gets closer to voting time?

If you haven't noticed, he tends to get at least a 10 point jump in the last 2 weeks before a vote, and there is still a good amount of time before then for him to campaign.

And he doesn't even need to crush is. Hillary people love to trot out Nate Silver predictions...well if you look at his path to victory for both Bernie and Hillary, neither wins the whole thing until CA. And Bernie will only need 14 more delegates than Hillary there to win if everything continues the way it is.

Its going to be a nail biter.

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Response to bobbobbins01 (Reply #60)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 02:37 PM

hack89 (39,136 posts)

62. Did you notice that Hillary is over performing on her path to victory

while Bernie is under performing? California decides it for Bernie only if he stays on that path. Right now is straying off it. Don't forget that his targets go up every time he fails to meet a target while Hillary's targets go down as she meets her. It becomes harder for Bernie and easier for Hillary.

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Response to hack89 (Reply #62)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 02:40 PM

bobbobbins01 (1,681 posts)

63. He picked up a percentage point last night.

And he is behind right now, but those projections take into account where he is right now. And it doesn't get harder for him, it gets easier because he is in friendlier territory. Hillary blew her wad already. Its just ask likely that Hillary will miss a target as it is he will at this point....its anyones game.

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Response to bobbobbins01 (Reply #63)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 02:42 PM

hack89 (39,136 posts)

64. NY and CA is not friendlier territory. Not white enough. nt

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Response to ViseGrip (Original post)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 10:26 AM

oberliner (58,724 posts)

13. What were the final delegate totals?

How many did each candidate win?

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Response to oberliner (Reply #13)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 11:28 AM

Marr (20,317 posts)

16. 67 for Sanders, 51 for Clinton, I believe. /nt

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Response to Marr (Reply #16)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 11:52 AM

oberliner (58,724 posts)

23. Do you have a source for that?

A link would be great.

I can't seem to find the official final results anywhere.

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Response to oberliner (Reply #23)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 12:01 PM

Marr (20,317 posts)

26. I don't, sorry.

It was something I heard on the radio this morning. I haven't actually read anything with the numbers either as yet.

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Response to Marr (Reply #26)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 12:18 PM

oberliner (58,724 posts)

36. Found something online

It seems to confirm the numbers you provided.

Not sure how to link to it though (Google has each primary result listed).

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Response to oberliner (Reply #36)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 03:57 PM

lagomorph777 (30,613 posts)

81. Nope - Bernie +71, Hillary+54

Right on google, their own box, if you search "bernie delecgates"

Arizona · 75 delegates
99% reporting · Clinton won and has 44 delegates, Sanders has 30
Idaho · 23 delegates
100% reporting · Sanders won and has 17 delegates, Clinton has 5
Utah · 33 delegates
99% reporting · Sanders won and has 24 delegates, Clinton has 5

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Response to lagomorph777 (Reply #81)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 04:07 PM

oberliner (58,724 posts)

89. Yes, that is the update

With now all the precincts reporting.

The earlier numbers were incomplete.

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Response to ViseGrip (Original post)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 11:28 AM

Kaleva (35,479 posts)

15. Bernie missed his target while Hillary hit hers.

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Response to ViseGrip (Original post)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 11:49 AM

phantom power (25,966 posts)

22. Bernie kept himself in the race, but the logic is...

that to close the gap he needs to maintain a certain overall net delegate lead from here on out. He didn't hit that overall rate last night.

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Response to phantom power (Reply #22)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 04:02 PM

Autumn Colors (2,379 posts)

86. Add to that the net delegates from Democrats Abroad

I believe he got +7 net delegates from that.

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Response to ViseGrip (Original post)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 12:04 PM

MariaThinks (2,495 posts)

27. do the math again. Hillary won by 2

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Response to MariaThinks (Reply #27)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 02:13 PM

EmperorHasNoClothes (4,797 posts)

58. Huh?

71 for Bernie, 54 for Hillary

54 - 71 = 2???

Math.

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Response to EmperorHasNoClothes (Reply #58)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 02:54 PM

lagomorph777 (30,613 posts)

67. SO bizarre reading all the media stories trumpeting Hillary's "victory"...

most of them don't even reveal the numerical truth: Bernie won by 17 delegates.

We are truly through the looking glass.

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Response to lagomorph777 (Reply #67)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 03:55 PM

New Earth (9,745 posts)

78. He could actually win the primary

and they'll still say she 'won'.

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Response to New Earth (Reply #78)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 04:00 PM

lagomorph777 (30,613 posts)

83. When he's sitting in the Oval Office, will it be a "moral victory" for Hillary?

At what point do numbers matter?

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Response to ViseGrip (Original post)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 12:13 PM

pdsimdars (6,007 posts)

33. But WHO CARES????

They say a lot of what I consider to be nonsense

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Response to pdsimdars (Reply #33)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 12:24 PM

BernieforPres2016 (3,017 posts)

42. I wouldn't know what they were saying

If Bernie supporters didn't keep posting it. I have the Hillary supporters, including the mainstream media, on Ignore.

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Response to ViseGrip (Original post)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 12:14 PM

stonecutter357 (12,564 posts)

34. sorry your man lost last night.

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Response to ViseGrip (Original post)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 12:19 PM

NuclearDem (16,184 posts)

39. Hillary lost Utah and Idaho and won Arizona.

Still, she's going to come out behind in delegates. And you know what? That's just fine by me, because Bernie just blew through three of twenty-five remaining contests and only closed a three hundred plus delegate lead by six.

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Response to ViseGrip (Original post)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 01:40 PM

Garrett78 (10,721 posts)

46. Did Sanders win 58% or more of the March 22 delegates?

I haven't seen the delegate totals from yesterday's contests. I imagine some delegates are still outstanding.

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Response to ViseGrip (Original post)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 01:43 PM

grossproffit (5,591 posts)

49. Utah and Idaho are huge swing states, too.

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Response to ViseGrip (Original post)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 02:12 PM

libodem (19,288 posts)

57. .

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Response to ViseGrip (Original post)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 02:35 PM

asuhornets (2,405 posts)

61. Hillary is winning

she has not won yet.

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Response to ViseGrip (Original post)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 02:46 PM

lumberjack_jeff (33,224 posts)

65. There's a kind of circular (il)logic at work.

Vote for Hillary, she's the only one that can win!
But she has shitty policies.
Doesn't matter! She's a winnah!
*Bernie wins 71 - 54*
See! The people have spoken! Hillary is a winner because of her awesome policies!

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Response to ViseGrip (Original post)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 03:54 PM

upaloopa (11,417 posts)

76. He won more delegates but it didn't change the dynamics of the primary.

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Response to ViseGrip (Original post)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 03:54 PM

MrWendel (1,881 posts)

77. Congrats for...

throwing a deck chair off the

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Response to ViseGrip (Original post)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 04:00 PM

desmiller (747 posts)

85. Sounds like..

they're using the ooool' Tea Party approach when they lost. Perfect example: Chris McDaniel of Jones County, MS. When he making a speech that's nowhere near a concession speech, he was on the verge of crying. Laughed my ass off too. Good riddens to him.

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Response to ViseGrip (Original post)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 04:03 PM

shadowandblossom (718 posts)

87. They're probably discussing delegate targets or the general lead.

or, it could happen, that someone passed on info with an error; but since do have over a 300 delegate lead we are feeling fine to be honest with you.

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Response to ViseGrip (Original post)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 04:12 PM

one_voice (20,043 posts)

91. Locking...

disruptive meta is not allowed.

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