Since when is prosperity for all a "white" issue?

[MidwestTech]

I keep reading how Bernie just can't get the minority vote and I honestly don't understand.
Bernie's message is essentially prosperity, or at least a better lot for everyone.
A better chance to succeed and a more secure net for those who don't.

how is that a "white" message?

Justice for all isn't a "white's only" goal.
Medical for everyone isn't a "White's only" goal
An increased minimum wage isn't only going to be applied to whites
Free/reduced cost higher education isn't going to ONLY affect white kids
Making sure kids are fed in school k-12 isn't a white-only thing
reducing poverty won't only affect the poor white folks.
Making sure there are liberal judges at every level of the judicial system, supremes on down is not a white's only issue

Also... why is it only the AA and Latino (barely) communities that demand/get pandered to?
What about the rather LARGE asian population?
The Native Americans?
The Indians
The middle-easterners
The Samoans
Puerto Rico - Which voted to JOIN the US... how many times do I have to say that before it sinks in?
The virgin Islands?
The Marianas islands where a LOT of textile Slave Labor happens

Why are those people always left out of the minority pandering?

Just things that I think of when I'm annoyed and don't get enough coffee.

on a side. grats to Hillary. I'll vote for her in the GE but I'll have to hold my nose.
The more I find out about her (legitimately not the RW bullshit) the less I like.
I truly hope she isn't as conservative in office as she is appearing to be... but she's still better than anything the gop has... or Drumpf for that matter!

[forjusticethunders]

1. Because ideology often matters less than outreach.

Hillary is worse ideology-wise but her outreach has been better.
Bernie's outreach hasn't been *bad* but there are so many asshurt Bernie supporters who scream at and brigade people and negates that.

[bravenak]

4. Yep

[Baobab]

46. Which candidate actually participated in the civil rights movement

and which one supported Goldwater and later WalMart?

Which candidate is for raising minimum wages and Saving precious jobs and which one wants to globalize everything irreversibly even if its a disaster for American workers ([link: http://siteresources.worldbank.org/INTRANETTRADE/Resources/C13.pdf|and that's its INTENT])

[MidwestTech]

51. Shhhhhh you'll ruin the outrage

Look just because he marched with MLK, has worked consistently over the last 40+ years for civil and equal rights, and been a life long progressive / socialist doesn't mean he isn't a racist on the inside!

He isn't saying the RIGHT things the RIGHT way to the RIGHT people!

Sheesh

[uponit7771]

91. Hillary and Hillary?! Yeah, a civil rights movement isn't a couple of arrest and a march

... come on people.

[kiva]

65. "there are so many asshurt Bernie supporters who scream at and brigade people and negates that."

And yet in 2008 I remember that whenever anyone complained about Obama or Hillary supporters being obnoxious - 'let it sink', the waaaaambulence, or any other attitude - we were all told to ignore the supporters and focus on the message. Why is it different this time?

[NuclearDem]

2. *sigh*

[bravenak]

3. Since he ignored the South and basically told us that his plan was good enough for us

Nobody could be bothered actually finding out what our top concerns were. Imstead his camp decided to attempt to minimize the importance of our vote.

Having white folks constantly tell us that he is best for us is hopelessly paternalistic and they refuse to stop tellimg us what we need and how best he is for us, like they are explaining things to dumb children. And they attack us if we complain. The saviour complex is STRONG and it is a damn turnoff.

[MidwestTech]

6. ok so what is your issue de jour?

Seriously,
What is it you want that is not on that list I posted?

[bravenak]

7. His bad campaigning

You forgot that 'I SAID BLACK FIFTY TIMES!!!"

[forjusticethunders]

10. Oh damn he really DID say that

I honestly thought was a meme or an exaggeration.

Damn. That is a fucking gaffe no matter how you spin it.

See that's what I mean. With that said, Hillary has been making gaffes on race for decades but her outreach is better even if it's just for the sake of winning.

I mean Black people love LBJ, the Southern Democratic racist who called us n*****ers as he was beheading Jim Crow.

[bravenak]

14. He sure did say it....

And seens to think there was nothing wrong with it. As do his fans. If he had simpky learned that it was offensive and said something, it would be actual outreach. Instead, we need to ignore any insensitivity and focus on how good he be to us.

[TowneshipRebellion]

26. Insensitivity? Who cares about that?

Bernie has better ideas and we need to root the corruption out in washington. I keep hearing these emotional appeals as a justification about why the Clintons are trusted when their policies locked up half of young black men between 1994 to 2000 and beyond. They are not your friends bottom line. People are too concerned with appearances and not the issues that are not only wrecking this country in general but are destroying the black household and community in particular. So because Hillz does the whip and nae nae like she means it, suddenly she cares about black people? Because the Clintons are good at token gestures like an office here or a staffer position there, their ideas are good for black people?


If people think this way they deserve what they get. We deserve our own suffering. When unemployment hits 25 percent in the black community and we are spending trillions on another sick war, people who voted for stupid reasons like this will be responsible. The south makes life harder for the rest of us with this kind of nonsense ( although I am sure you are a delight) and that is the gospel truth.

[bravenak]

27. I don't give the first damn about his ideas

[TowneshipRebellion]

29. So feeling is more important than thinking?

That is how we got Reagan, Clinton and Bush 43. Three of the most destructive administrations for the black community ever. Clinton was the worst because he smiled in our face and stabbed us in our back. Bernie had the presence of mind to see how that crime bill was going to wipe out the black community's young and strong but unfortunately went along with it in spite of his reservations.

[bravenak]

31. He can think all he wants. Thoughts dont change policy

Legislation does.

[TowneshipRebellion]

34. Like the Iraq war and these free trade agreements that have gutted

manufacturing in urban centers around the nation. Those were great Clinton policies. I am not going to keep trying to crack an illogical fortress. Enjoy Goldman Sachs' best friend as POTUS.

[bravenak]

36. And bernie was good at voting in favor of mass incarceration and deregulation

[TowneshipRebellion]

42. Bernie went along to get along

which is precisely what the Clinton supporters say he can't do; politicking.

He is still on record predicting the continued mass incarceration of young black and latino men and if he voted against the bill, he would have been called a misogynist because of the violence against women act so you don't have anything there. He voted against those free trade agreements consistently. He voted against PNTR, NAFTA, CAFTA and IS against TAP and TPP.

[bravenak]

43. Oh? He PANDERED?

[TowneshipRebellion]

50. No, what Clinton does is pander. Notice how she won't release

those speeches she made to GS and BofA. She pandered to them just like she PANDERED to AIPAC but it is less socially acceptable to pander to wall street zionists than the friendly neighborhood AIPAC zionists for some reason. What bernie did was try to get along with his democrat friends in congress.Lo and behold, now it is used as talking point against him. Anyway I am done here. You can have the last word if you like.

All due respect bravenak.

[Marr]

84. You'll get lots of nice pandering from Clinton, I'm sure.

Along with economic policies that pull the rug right out from under you, and foreign policy that sends your friends and family off to be mangled just so our investor class can make a few more bucks.

But that shouldn't matter. Hillary will certainly coddle your sensitivities and give you some nice words on television every once in awhile.

[bravenak]

94. I do not love her either

She is just better than he is on this to ME

[uponit7771]

92. +1, they're not that far away from Hillary's in the first place!!!

[bravenak]

93. I wish people would realize that and stop acting like she's gonna blow up America

[amborin]

97. none of these reasons you list is accurate

[TCJ70]

18. Does context matter here?

That was in response to someone saying "I know you're afraid to say black".

[bravenak]

21. He coulda have

DECIDED TO ANDWER HER QUESTION ON ENVIRONMANTAL RACISM INSTEAD OF GETTING MAD AND TELLING HER HE WAS GOING TO TALK ABOUT POVERTY. Of course the correct respinse to an untrusting black middle class voter is to yell at her and tell her that her subject was not going to be discuss, but he was going to answer her middle class business owner question by telling her about poverty and getting jobs for kids by taxing oligarchs. Smooth move.
Not to mention he was going to do better on race than Obama by taxing oligarchs to get our kids jobs so they wont be 'hanging on street corners'. Nothing culturally insensitive about that. There are a slew of comments to discuss. Only the questionable comments of other are terrible things. Him saying that? Our white friends have decided we are not allowed to say we were offended. They decide what is offensive to blacks for us.

[TCJ70]

23. So the answer is to let black people say whatever they want about him...

...and not call them on ridiculous assertions. Got it.

[bravenak]

25. Listen and figure out why they say what they say

We know race better than you guys do. We LIVE what you can only DISCUSS

[NWCorona]

30. But that was a ridiculous statement from that lady who asked that question

He has no problem saying black people. I've seen videos where he's said it multiple times on the Senate floor and out on the road.

Bernie was obviously curt with that answer and there's a lot of things he could do and say better but still.

[bravenak]

33. That is what he gets for trying to aviod the issue for so long

She is not perfect. But she doesn't try to run a generic 'all people' campaign. Cause all people usually means not us and we damn well know it. His job was to convince us he could talk to us on our level.
And he did avoid saying it everytime. Go back and watch them ask specifically about us blacks ahd him divert it to 'all people'. That's the shit right there that got him talked to like that. I woulda had said it too, I give no damns. If I ask a candidate about black people they need to address my query specifically like I asked or get accused of avoidance.

[NWCorona]

49. I did watch the video and I agree he isn't perfect

And somewhat tone deaf but I think it's a matter of him truly seeing all people equally. I haven't see one thing from him that says he has issues about minorities or that he feels that he's above other people. If you have please let me know. I except the fact that he's never gonna understand what I'm going through in relation to being black in America. He's a 72 year old white guy but I do know that he respects and is sympathetic to our issues

I've said this before. No amount of policy will effect racism in this country. I'd much rather have a politician who wants to give everyone a level playing field and the tools to fight racism, criminal injustice, education and economic issues on our own terms. Over someone who says the right thing to the people in front of them and says something different to the next group. I'm not just talking about Hillary either.

[bravenak]

53. He is wrong. We are not equal. Yet.

That has been his entire problem. I swear he said white folks dont know what it is to be poor or in the ghetto. He only discusses black issues around poverty, crime, and teen unemployment and black lives matter.
I get that he is a good person. But he lacks perceptive abilities to see the bigger picture. He is laser focused on one thing so hard, he has not taken time to become good at others. He wrote off the south, where the bulk of us live and have an actual huge say in primaries. That is just offensive. The nasty attacks on black southern voters by people are just too much. I would expect him to notice that his decision has had an effect on relations between us and his 'grassroots'. I know many of us are willing to ignore it for policy. But I know aint no policy COMING, so that's all i can get is a perceptive person who will LISTEN. Not just tell me what he wants to do and push wonderful ideas, that nobody can pass. That gets me nothing. No policy. And no attention to my issues.

[NWCorona]

54. I said he sees us as equals

That's a huge difference . He doesn't deny that there's a problem with the system and culture in America.

[bravenak]

60. Nothing he can do now

[NWCorona]

62. Not necessarily

I'm not a quitter or defeatist and I don't think he is either.

[MidwestTech]

63. He's a congressman. He has, is and will continue to fight

even if you don't want to see the work he's done. he's done it.
Even if he doesn't win the primary, he'll still continue to work for the people regardless of their race, gender, background or what have you.

[bravenak]

64. I know all about his record

[MidwestTech]

68. you certainly don't act like it n/m

[bravenak]

69. Not impressed. By most politicians.nt

[astrophuss42]

78. But Hillary is the one you'd fall on your sword for?

[ismnotwasm]

80. That makes no sense

[ismnotwasm]

79. Look at this article

I was going to post it in the AA group. The story is one of a soon to be prosperous state--except it's not for Black people.

Minnesota Lawmakers Look for Answers to Black Wealth Gap

But until the negotiations pay off — and it's not clear they will — many activists in Minnesota's black community will remain skeptical.

"We're beyond needing a signal," Levy-Pounds said. "It should not have taken an unarmed young African-American man being killed for people to wake up."

Also difficult is choosing measures that will make a difference. Previous efforts, supported by healthy levels of social spending, have fallen short.

Poverty has dogged Minnesota's black neighborhoods for decades, masked by a progressive sheen embodied by Sen. Hubert Humphrey's outspoken support for civil rights and Sen. Paul Wellstone's "We all do better when we all do better" mantra.

Only 6 percent of Minnesota residents are black, less than half of the national average, and the problems are starkest in Minneapolis' largely minority north side, marked by dilapidated housing projects and rundown storefronts. Long before the recent unrest, the neighborhood was a site of race riots in 1967, when protesters burned down businesses before the National Guard restored order.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/minnesota-lawmakers-answers-black-wealth-gap-37841933

[All in it together]

100. I agree racism needs to be addressed

How do you think we could or should?

Part of the problem is economic based on the richest finding it in their best interest to divide and conquer the rest of us. If they can keep us arguing and hating, they can win because we won't see eye to eye. We won't feel we our are brother's keepers. We can just blame each other and lose sight of what they do to us.

African Americans have been treated horribly through our history, and we have a long way to go in this area. And our government (and people) should do better.

When the rich can keep many African Americans down economically, with little opportunity and terrible policing, keeping the war on drugs going, stop and frisk, etc. Then more whites fall for their tricks, blame African Americans, and use it as an excuse to keep doing these bad things.

Racism is in the heart and we need to change our hearts. I think that's also Hillary's position,
But does she have a plan to get us there? Bernie is addressing social injustices. Bernie seems to be pushing us into a more fair, tolerant, and hopefully more loving community of people.

At least that's what I think and hope for.

[bravenak]

102. People who are not rich need to take responsiblity too

People always notice it in other but never themselves. When called on it, they become abusive rather than reflective. Nothing can change until everyone decides it is also their responsibility.

[mmonk]

5. The Republican Party isn't the only party that uses race to influence elections.

[geek tragedy]

8. because black Americans are still waiting for their 40 acres and a mule

"shared prosperity for all" has a long history of being its own form of trickle-down economics.

[MidwestTech]

9. The best anyone will ever get is an equal chance

That's why we;re democrats and liberals and progressives. We want everyone to have that equal chance of succeeding or failing.
Success is not guaranteed in life. The best a government or a people can do is make sure everyone has an equal shake. Some people are going to excel naturally more than others (im talking individuals here), others are going to fail.

but what we need to all strive for is making sure that those who fail can still survive. That everyone growing up has food to eat, and a good education. We also need to accept not everyone is meant for college.

We need to bring back trade schools, and manufacturing and... sorry /soapbox.

[bravenak]

16. How we gonna get equal chances when nobody will listen to a damn word we say?

[MidwestTech]

20. I seem to recall some very rude BLMers being given the podium

And then being talked to afterwards.
I also don't recall any of the other candidates responding to well to BLM.
I am sympathetic to the cause, and I understand the frustration... but they're attacking their allies, not the people actually responsible. That doesn't improve communication, it shuts it down.

[bravenak]

22. Their allies allowed us TO GET TO THIS POING BY NOT NOTICING OUR PLIGHT

UNTIL THEY TOOK THAT MIC

Now they want our votes.

[All in it together]

70. I'm glad you are speaking up and Bernie is listening, I'm trying to.

I'm sorry if Bernie or his supporters come off as rude or not listening. We could do better.
Just because programs in the past have not included People of Color, more should be done for them. Yes, Bernie's outreach could have been better.

It's just difficult to have a conversation when we are trying to get African Americans a better deal and we are slapped down for it. Bernie supporters can't see many good reasons for anyone supporting Hillary except those who have paid her the big bucks. Of course I can't speak for African Americans

[bravenak]

71. Because you say 'when we are trying to get african americans a better deal'

Like we cannot possibly figure out what a better deal for us is ourselves. Come on! It never ends.

[All in it together]

96. What do you say?

I've only been here a short time and I'm wanting to learn.

[forjusticethunders]

11. I don't want anything formally called reparations

I do want a New Deal 2.0 which is actually equitably distributed and thus would disproportionately help African Americans at all levels.

[geek tragedy]

17. I would be in favor of that. A fair New Deal, nt

[JDPriestly]

77. That is what Bernie is about. Single payer healthcare would help everyone.

So would state higher education with free tuition. That would give everyone a chance.

20 acres and a mule makes little sense today because very few people live on farms. It's the free tuition to a trade school or university that is the 20 acres and a mule today, and that is what Bernie is partly about.

[gollygee]

12. People are responding to historic trends

Historically, when there have been "prosperity for all" movements, they have favored white people, and in fact in some cases (such as The New Deal and the VA Bill) people of color were specifically and intentionally kept from accessing those "prosperity for all" movements. I don't think it's surprising if some people of color are now skeptical of anything like that. It's possible that they hear "prosperity for all" and worry that, without specific discussion of how systemic racism will be kept from affecting those plans, it won't help them, or at least that those plans are really mainly designed to help white people.

Also, wealthy people of color also suffer from racism, and it sounds like (from what I've seen people complain about here at DU) they can get frustrated when racism is always discussed as an economic issue, or for that matter as a crime issue. Not all people of color are poor or in jail. What about their experiences of racism?

Having said that, I know a number of people of color here where I live who voted for Bernie in the MI primary, and he took our county handily and our county is very racially diverse. I don't think the feelings I mention above are across the board, but I've heard them both at DU and in "real life." Overall, the people of color I know in "real life" (LOL don't know how else to explain it) during our primary seemed largely to not particularly like either candidate. I voted for Bernie but I do hear what my friends who are people of color are saying and I respect it. All you really have to do is listen to what people are saying. They're not shy about explaining their reasons for feeling this way.

[ebayfool]

24. "real life" = meat world! n/t

[astrophuss42]

13. What strikes me

Is the look on his face after BLM interrupted him in Seattle. Later he said it was partially because he has ideologies that could help that demographic. But Hillary just blanketly said she's going to end racism with absolutely no ideas as to how. And look how she treats BLM protesters. It's a shame.

[DanTex]

15. Since when is it a "Bernie" issue? Hillary has a very strong economic message.

It's just that she's not a one-issue candidate.

[ismnotwasm]

81. +1000

[wildeyed]

19. Then go have some more coffee.

Maybe you will think more clearly when you have finished.

You really want to do this topic? Again? Pretty sure its been done to death, both here and in the media. Search is your friend

[seabeyond]

28. If there is nothing about leveling the playing field, from experience we know it is not prosperity

for ALL people, but for white males.

[MidwestTech]

32. define leveling the playing field

if an equal chance at education (and btw I'm for separate gender schools as it is shown to help both boys and girls learn better) and an equal chance at nutrition (I'm working on a proposal for my congressman on how to ensure EVERY k-12 child is given a breakfast, lunch and take-home dinner if wanted) AND an equal shake at affordable college... then what?

The labor laws already outlaw discrimination for any reason, gender, "race", ethic origin, religion, etc.
granted they could use a bit of help with enforcement.
It's no longer illegal (seriously how could that have been allowed) to discuss personal wages at work

I'm genuinely interested in what more can be done by the government?

[Starry Messenger]

35. "pandering"

There's your first problem.

[bravenak]

38. There are so many it's hard to figure out where to start

We should each just pick one part

[Starry Messenger]

40. Discrimination is already illegal, little ladies!

What else do you gals want??

[bravenak]

44. We should smile more, it makes us look pretty and approachable

[Starry Messenger]

47. And speak softly!

No one likes shouty ladies.

[gollygee]

41. Trying to set people of color up against each other.

Also... why is it only the AA and Latino (barely) communities that demand/get pandered to?
What about the rather LARGE asian population?
The Native Americans?
The Indians
The middle-easterners
The Samoans
Puerto Rico - Which voted to JOIN the US... how many times do I have to say that before it sinks in?
The virgin Islands?
The Marianas islands where a LOT of textile Slave Labor happens

Why are those people always left out of the minority pandering?

That's another issue. I don't understand where that came from.

[bravenak]

45. It's a nasty and disturbing tactic

One that I would hope people would denounce
But some cannot see through their own passion for a candidate

[forjusticethunders]

55. "Pandering" is a reddit buzzword

that generally is used to say "paying attention to the interests, thoughts and concerns of people that are not white males".

[Starry Messenger]

59. Yep.

I'd say more, but I'm sure the alert squad is out in force today.

[Marr]

95. Nonsense. It means insincerity-- empty words from politicians who

have no intention of following through with policy, or who have in fact worked against the goals to which they're paying cheap lip service.

[Autumn]

37. Since Bernie is the one talking about that issue. nt

[uponit7771]

39. VERY EASY ! You can't be angry about economic insecurity with the already economically insecure

... only the people who have something to lose can be angry about being without.

That's one of the reasons why his economic message hasn't reached a lot of the marginalized and why his boogyman, "wall street", isn't scaring those folk.

If Sanders were to focus on police brutality, job and wage equality, FAST immigrant assimilation, LGBT assimilation then he'd be more reaching the marginalized but he focused on the boogyman of mostly white people; the government and wall street.

[MidwestTech]

48. But a stable economy helps with all those issues...

When the economy does well progressive legislation tends to pass more.
You're right, police brutality is a major issue. It's not so much grown as it's had more light shined on it.
improved immigration laws, I know this one personally, are desperately needed... that comes when the economy improves. With it the way it is, people are afraid to let more foreigners in and would rather attack "teh ilegalz!"

Being the B in lgbt I agree... but look where we are TODAY as opposed to just 5 years ago let alone 10 or 30!

[uponit7771]

57. How does a stable economy help with police brutality!?!!? Trayvons parents were the 20%

[MidwestTech]

61. People are more willing to hold the police accountable when they are economically secure

Trayvon was murdered by a racist asshole, who lived in a racist area with asshole cops.
And you'll get no argument from me about police.

I'm just saying that change happens faster when people feel economically secure.
it sucks, no two ways about it.

I think the AG has been lax on his duties to open cases in EVERY case of police brutality.
but that's another op.

My point is simply about changing the laws. Change come more when people feel secure.
It may not be right, but that is how it generally goes.

[gollygee]

66. I don't think there's any reason to believe that

I'd have to see some data to give me any reason to believe that's true, because it doesn't sound logical to me. Trayvon was murdered in an economically secure area. Sandra Bland was in an economically secure area going to an economically secure job. Really, this just sounds dismissive.

[MidwestTech]

72. You forgot to add racist as fuck-area

Again, I'm not arguing against the point.
Eric holder has been derelict in his duties!
Every single case of police brutality should have been investigated at the highest levels and heads should have publicly rolled!

I'm just pointing out when change generally happens, not when it's needed or where.

[gollygee]

73. Change happens when people make demands

And it seems like that's what people of color are doing. They're demanding people running for office speak to them and their issues specifically. Some of them (a majority according to primaries so far) don't appear to feel like Bernie is doing that.

[MidwestTech]

75. Ironic since he's BEEN doing that most of his career

*shrugs*
People will believe what they want. I'm no different.
I try to be as impartial as I can.
I'm just glad people are discussing this in such a mature manner.

[uponit7771]

88. +1, He's not, he specifically said to effect that racial issues or non economic issues aren't that

... important in an interview in 2014 IIRC

[uponit7771]

87. what is the bases of this thinking? There are plenty of blacks who live in economically secure place

... places with whites where their chidlren are treated no different than Trayvon

[Recursion]

52. Historically it has had a way of not being "for all"

Which I think has a lot to do with the hesitation.

[MidwestTech]

58. Historically . . .

I'll spare you the laundry list and just say this...

Consider where we are today.

now think back 40 years ago
30 years ago
20
10
5

Our first black president is ending his second term and the two main Democratic front runners are a woman and a Jewish man.
Gay marriage is the literal law of the land (IF you are married in one state it MUST be respected in another)
pot is rapidly becoming legal if not De-criminalized
3-strikes laws are being struck down little buy little but they are.

yes there is more to go, loads of improvements are yet to be done... but do you ever stop and look back and what we have accomplished in such a tiny amount of time?

[ismnotwasm]

83. I would respectfully suggest you consider

All who fought and died so those things could happen.

[CalvinballPro]

76. Exactly. Whites got a New Deal, blacks got a Raw Deal. Systemic racism restricts benefits to whites.

Sanders had to be forced by BLM to even acknowledge that systemic racism is still a problem. Why should black voters believe his version of the New Deal would be any different when he lays out no path to make it that way?

While it is not confusing to see why white Sanders supporters don't get this, it is very, very disappointing.

[Recursion]

82. IDK I just have trouble believing people have a hard time seeing it

Unless there's a specific willingness not to see it, which is probably the case.

[uponit7771]

89. +1

[Bread and Circus]

56. Since the sleazy Clintons took back the Democratic Party.

[Maedhros]

67. Since the Hillary campaign purposely drove a racial wedge between Democrats

to damage Sanders' campaign.

[MidwestTech]

74. The lack of coverage didn't help either

Hell look where his campaign is WITHOUT new coverage...

They know if they covered Sanders he'd have swept the primary easily.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

85. Or maybe you are upset the rest of us of all hues don't vote like college students.

[uponit7771]

90. Yeah, she had Cornell West stump for her after he called Obama "n-word-izzed" last year.... o wait

.... that was Sanders who did that

[MisterP]

86. WalMart was a leader in this, even corrupting Andy Young

From February to August 2006, Young served as the public spokesman for Working Families for Wal-Mart, an advocacy group for the retail chain Wal-Mart. Young resigned from the position soon after a controversial interview with the Los Angeles Sentinel, in which, when asked about Wal-Mart hurting independent businesses, he replied, "You see those are the people who have been overcharging us, and they sold out and moved to Florida. I think they’ve ripped off our communities enough. First it was Jews, then it was Koreans and now it’s Arabs."

[Dem2]

98. It's not just about stands on issues, it's about the execution of the plans

and who people think is the best or most capable at getting reforms implemented.

[BernieforPres2016]

99. Here's an article on the Congressional Black Caucus you might find interesting

And no, it's not from a right wing website, it is from a progressive website.

http://breakingbrown.com/2014/06/revealed-how-the-cbc-leverages-blackness-to-work-as-a-tool-for-wall-street/

<The report details how a group of former CBC staffers turned lobbyists formed an informal group called the Washington Government Relations Group. Instead of the group using its formidable political knowledge to further the interests of black people, they chose instead to use their talent and connections to lobby the CBC on behalf of Wall Street. The lobbying industry even has a term for these black lobbyists: CBC specialists.

Since the CBC tends to vote as a bloc, and, as CBC head Marcia Fudge admits, most of them don’t know much about financial services law and usually defer to CBC members on the financial services panel, the CBC is an easy mark for sophisticated lobbyists. It’s also easy because, as HuffPost notes, white lawmakers aren’t quick to criticize the CBC. A lobbyist explained to HuffPost how it works:

“We go right to the CBC because they are open-minded and they often vote as a bloc,” he says, asking for anonymity because he frequently relies on CBC members for support on deregulation bills. “And the professional left is scared of them. Every white liberal — media, politician, advocacy group — knows better than f*cking with a CBC member.”>

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101. It was hard for me to understand too for a while.

I think the thing that I failed to appreciate was that Bill and Hillary have been building mutually beneficial networks of collaboration with Black and Latino leadership for 25 years on a national level. For 25 years they have been recruiting and appointing highly qualified POC in government positions and funneling millions of their foundation money to minority advocacy groups for the last 15 years.

This is not to say they are bought off, but the Clintons have developed a mutually beneficial relationship with POC that includes opportunities that have historically been closed off to them. HRC in the White House could mean another 8 years government positions.

This is not pandering. This is not rhetoric. This is making real change in POC lives directly and indirectly through role models.

I underestimated how much tangible good the Clintons have done for the POC community.

Bernie has done many wonderful things, but not in the same way as the Clintons.

I don't think that even if Bernie's rhetoric on social justice was as awesome as his rhetoric on economic justice, he would have been able to significantly change the POC vote in the primaries. I don't think if Bernie had said her name in PHX or followed Marissa Johnson with, "She is 100% correct and I will address this issue in more detail soon" it would have changed anything. I don't even think if BernieBros were nonexistent it would have changed much.

That's my take. They want more of what the Clinton's have already provided them.

I could be wrong, but that's my take. At least it makes sense to me.