2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumOn AZ and Sanders...
Well funny thing happened on the way to the forum. I was getting ready to write the story from last night, when I got the alert, Sanders to talk about last night.
So not only did he addressed the victories in two states, but also the disgrace of people standing in line for hours in AZ. I will have a separate story on that, since I recorded the statement... recorder lives by me anymore But to paraphrase, he actually pointed out to an email they got from an Arizonan last night, likely after the rally, explaining that she had been standing in line for hours. He specifically called this a disgrace, that this is happening in the United States,
To all of you going, but lawsuit ain't happening, whatevah, the D side of the house, or at least some of it, is considering a lawsuit. US Uncut had a story last night on that. We know from reporting that his campaign officials were on the ground in AZ yesterday. Whether they join a lawsuit or not was not part of the questions today. If they are, I would be immensely surprised if they said such today. Both the D, and I am getting the feeling from having watched the feed, the Sanders campaign are still examining what to do.
Now as usual, CNN (It's on my tv) did not break into that feed, and only reason I had it on my local feed is that I suspect he has not left San Diego.
For Californians, this is just of many rallies by the way.
Now back to story writing. I thought this would matter to those who care about democracy... and for the record, I have said it many times, who your party nominates is your business, but we have jumped into openly corrupt elections. If you do not take those blinders off, they will rob you and you will not even notice. Me, to the point I really don't expect my vote to count. Is it going straight into the shredder?
Oh and for those who have followed our comincon coverage in the past. We found Waldo last night. Yes, I intend to run that photo. not in full costume though. But we found Waldo.
Hey, we laugh when we can. (And in case you are wondering, the four mile hike, I am sore)
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)1-USUncut is not actual news, it is propaganda. Check their credibility rating.
2-It is a disgrace to have to wait that long in line to vote.
3-No pain no gain. (Sore is good)
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)and I know they are capable of doing actual news. It was weird to see that last week. I even pointed this to the CNN reporter last night, I love his work on CNN-I, not on CNN though. Oh the producer was pissed once I explained why.
Other reporters were nodding in agreement.
Gothmog
(179,869 posts)The long lines here are in part due to the gutting of the Voting Rights Act by the SCOTUS which Clinton wants to restore http://azcapitoltimes.com/news/2016/03/22/long-lines-bog-down-arizona-presidential-primary/
Lines snaked up to almost every one of the 60 polling sites across the county, with the exception of remote locations such as Gila Bend or Wickenburg. The county cut the number of polling sites for this years presidential primary from 200 in 2012 mainly as a money-saving measure.
In addition, the majority of voters get mail-in ballots, and independents who cant vote make up more than a third of the electorate.
All we can do is thank them for their patience, Bartholomew said of voters enduring the delays.
read more: http://azcapitoltimes.com/news/2016/03/22/long-lines-bog-down-arizona-presidential-primary/#ixzz43kC9reof
Prior to the gutting of the voting rights act by the SCOTUS Arizona was a covered jurisdiction and the Federal govt. would get to approve the cuts in the number of voting locations
@EvanWyloge
I wonder if the number of polling places we have in Maricopa County today would have been OKd under VRA Sect.5. Good thing thats gone.
We need to restore the Voting Rights Act to keep these type of voter suppression tactics from being used. If Arizona was still a covered jurisdiction under the Voting Rights Act, there would have been no cuts in voting locations.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)and none should blow this off
Hell Hath No Fury
(16,327 posts)thinking this is a Bernie vs. Hillary thing, it is NOT -- these tactics WILL be used against Dems in the GE -- bank on it. We have already seen this problem in past elections with the reduction of polling locales, long line, and supplies running out. Add in voter roll purging and 2016 looks to be another troubling election for Dems in Red States.
You'd better stop laughing and start working to make sure your State's election process is as fair and uncorrupted as possible.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)Yes, I am that dramatic. Why I said, I don't expect my vote to count.
ChiciB1
(15,435 posts)Gonna copy it and post it here too!
Thanks!
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)supporters who have concluded Hillary caused these problems.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)the DNC is responsible in part though. They should have lawyers on this, just like they pretended to have in OH in 2004. Should I remind you what happened at Cuyahooga County? The only reason it was NOT stolen in 2008 and 12 were the crowds were beyond the level of stealibity.
So when the election is taken away in November, please cry me a fucking river. This pattern of non clean elections started in 2000. Wake up and smell the coffee. In fact, I just brewed a pot, want some fresh coffee? Here, a virtual cup.
Yes, this is much bigger than the fucking primary.
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)... that the GOP is actively trying to suppress the dem vote???
To the contrary Dems have been very concerned about this for quite some time.
Sadly some race to blamed the Dems for GOP bad acts.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)something is not fishy in AZ? I know the answer, don't bother, your first posting was clear. You are blowing this off since this was a "bernie loss." I am reminded of the PRI denying for years that elections were dirty in Mexico I have as much trust in US elections at this point, as I did in Mexican elections.
By the way, the elections are so compromised anymore that I do not trust any of the results. Why I use quotation marks. They are so dirty that if they happened in the Ukraine, the United States State Department would be making a fuss out of it. (Like they did in fact)
And yes, myself and a Bolivian reporter were talking about how much we feel like back at home anymore. Chew on that one.
Since I am very nice here is a second cup of coffee.
Oh and so you understand this.. it is bad enough that people on their own will stay home. Why? Once you realize how compromised they are, you really do not want to waste your time. This is part of the suppression game. I will "vote"... but I realize that rigged elections are one marker of a fascist state, a controlled media is another, I already checked those two.
So I don't expect my vote to count in any way, shape or form.
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)See, the way it looks to me is that Bernie supporters are very upset about this only when Bernie loses.
Just blame the Dems. They caused this.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)in AZ are you missing? We also saw some of this in a few other states. But the state of AZ was extremely glaring You know who else should be in AZ, the Department of Justice Civil Rights Division. This is not about Bernie as hard as you try to make it. This is about civil rights and an election.
The wall is over there. It will be far less painful than to talk to a partisan. Yup, you are just like the PRI, congratulations. You are condoning a dirty election.
Dragonfli
(10,622 posts)If so I am especially angry in that it effects a large part of both my family and myself as we tend to be ignored when screwed over, all people of color do.
If It was a fairly white area then please disregard this post. Such fraud is wrong when ethnically white people get screwed, equally so IMO - but in such cases outrage, news coverage, and at least a show of legal pursuit of the harmed appear to follow, as is not the cause when minority peoples are involved.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)it was a latino majority area from what I understand.
So your nose is right on it.
Why I said the DOJ should get their assess there, Part of this is the VRA was gutted.
Dragonfli
(10,622 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)mmonk
(52,589 posts)riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)This is not partisan. We should all be concerned.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)and not in a good way.
marions ghost
(19,841 posts)BernieforPres2016
(3,017 posts)Unlike their inaction before the primary, when voter suppression favored their candidate.
mmonk
(52,589 posts)GoneFishin
(5,217 posts)voters hurts Bernie massively. He has no reason to put his faith in the Democratic Party to look under the right rocks. If he has not joined with them it may be that he is skeptical that they will represent him in the process. He should be totally skeptical.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)were just chuckling over. It is painfully familiar.
Kittycat
(10,493 posts)Don't ask us to fight for them later.
This is the DNCs chance to step up and not show they're bias. If they want unity, show it. Disenfranchised voters impact all of us in Novemember.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)ChiciB1
(15,435 posts)THANK YOU SO MUCH! I Can Not Tell You HOW MANY
people are talking to me about this. There is some Real HIGH LEVEL OUTRAGE that I'm sure will be building to enormous numbers as time goes by.
We call this country A Democracy?? I've been calling it an Oligarchy for some time now, but beginning to think it's something worse! I'm going to go to youtube and "like" it and will be sharing this information where I can.
I've been suspicious for some time and have on NUMEROUS occasions posted my own thoughts about how WEIRD what I see on the ground happening that simply doesn't reflect the outcome after people actually vote.
Once again I'm going to state my feelings. My posting here has dropped because when issues like this happen so many Bernie supporters have been called various names IF you even have any issues about Primary outcomes. And I expect after this post the COMMENTS will be the same. Still, I'm going to say again what I've become more and more convinced of. It doesn't matter to me WHAT any Hillary supporter wants to reply to me because my feeling is something that's out there and growing.
It simply makes NO SENSE that Bernie has RALLIES that thousands and thousands of people attend, he's consistently raises MILLIONS of dollars over and over and over and yet SOMEHOW this phenomena doesn't convert to votes! Why would people attend these rallies, GIVE MONEY and NOT VOTE?? I've heard ALL the retorts from Hillary supporters which are repeated all the time, but I'm not buying it. Sure some may not have the correct information, but the same pattern is showing up everywhere where people are having voting issues.
I can give you an example of something that happened here in Florida, a state that I actually felt Bernie would lose, but this still happened here.
My daughter and her husband were Independents and DID switch to Democrats to vote in the Primary and did so IN PERSON at our SOS which is mandatory! My son and his wife registered as Democrats quite a few years ago. ALL of us voted ABSENTEE. So, when you vote ABSENTEE you are supposed to get a notice that they received your ballot and I DID get one for my husband and me. You HAVE to give your email address AND you can go online to see if they received your ballot. YOU can't actually verify IF the vote was counted though.
So, I talked with my daughter and asked her if they got a notice about their ballots being received. THEY DID NOT! She checked online to see IF her ballot was received AND it WAS NOT! I didn't even bother to ask my son & his wife because there seems to be NO recourse for them. UNLESS a law suit is filed which will probably take a very long time and lots of money, and by the time it goes through the courts it really won't matter.
If you're just a "citizen" who doesn't have enough $$$$ to follow through all you're left with is the feeling of DESPAIR! So yes, THIS is Florida but NOW I'm seeing this stuff reported over and over again in other states. VOTER SUPPRESSION is ALIVE and on STEROIDS. I don't think it's only for Democrats, but who the hell knows??
WHAT has happened to this country when far too many people don't give a rat's ass about this as long as THEIR candidate wins? Every Single Citizen in this Country" should be outraged, because maybe the NEXT TIME it's going to be YOUR candidate who will "supposedly" lose!!
It now seems it's ALL UP TO THE POWER BROKERS who are playing "we the people" as mere puppets who have control. The time has come for people to rise up against this. It's only going to get worse.
Other countries are LAUGHING at us!!! I know this because many of my FB friends are from many different countries. Perhaps IF Trump gets elected the people with the blinders on will start to PAY ATTENTION! And if you think it can't happen that's even a bigger problem for you AND US!
BOHICA! Bend Over Here It Comes Again..9lio0w
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)Good rant
ChiciB1
(15,435 posts)we're tennis fans and our favorite player who is Number One was constantly being attacked. So another fan stated a page and made it our player's Family Club.
Some really great people too. And that Thread about Canadians and the support for Hillary... well not what I'm hearing from them.
Just saying'
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)and they are worried about Trump... more than care who the dem is. Trump is big in the worry department.
Kittycat
(10,493 posts)As do I. I can't believe it's 2016, and we're still fighting for a fair election. Worse, I can't believe we have people in our own party that don't give a crap. Who are we anymore? What happened to the democrats?
Our "democracy" is now a joke.
ChiciB1
(15,435 posts)I truly wish I was able to understand WHY any negative information about Hillary here is simply ignored and/or thought of as old news. Given how MUCH past information is out there and her record on so many issues, they seem to be buying her double speak ALL OVER AGAIN.
This happened to some extent with OBAMA, but now it's even worse! We've seen so much about how she's always operated and yet there seems to be a Land Of LaLa here.
I'm also beginning to hear on some "alternative news" channels that Trump will eat her lunch. That's not the the part of me who supports Bernie talking. It's just that Trump will use any "tool in his box" and maybe the boxes of others at her. Then I wonder WHY we are hearing so much about Paul Ryan lately.
Just think about that one for a minute! We had better think a whole lot deeper than we are now. I'm not talking trash about my experiences just to poke someone in the eye. Hillary is really unpopular and "we the people" for the most part DO NOT LIKE HER. One comment my grand daughter made to me about a 2 months ago when she told me supported Bernie was "I can't stand Hillary!" She's only 20 and I didn't put a bug in her ear.
As I said, this is out there as sad as it is.
Duppers
(28,469 posts)I donated to Bernie twice this week. My donations have usually been 15 to 20 days apart but I wanted to kick it up. Something is very wrong in AZ and Bernie's campaign needs to fight the corruption.
I have so much respect, admiration for the man - he must become our president.
SidDithers
(44,333 posts)Sid
shanti
(21,799 posts)nadine, do you feel that there were voting shenanigans when schwarzenegger was elected? it felt unreal and really boggled the mind!
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)Which we should, for example, by mail
So yes, there were
deepestblue
(349 posts)BINGO. Upcoming voter turnout is going to be massive.