For all you Clinton-haters

[connecticut yankee]

Please read this --

http://qz.com/644985/privilege-is-what-allows-sanders-supporters-to-say-theyll-never-vote-for-clinton/

and consider the alternative.

[Orsino]

1. Another goddamned "supporters" thread.

Internet anonymity and the privacy of ballots are what allow people here to say they'll never vote for someone.

Privilege is what makes people actually fail to vote against the alternative.

It may be fun to argue, but we need not believe what any poster says about a hypothetical future vote.

[Jitter65]

76. So Hillary supporters are not allowed to post threads.? nt

[EdwardBernays]

2. lol

That's some ham-fisted writing right there... good luck with that.

[m-lekktor]

3. We already read it yesterday when it was posted.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511560705

[Matt_in_STL]

4. How many times is this ridiculous article going to be posted?

These broad brush attacks on supporters are really tiresome and show a lack of intellectual ability on the part of the authors and those who push the articles.

[pdsimdars]

27. I'd like to high light this

show a lack of intellectual ability on the part of the authors and those who push the articles.

[SwampG8r]

5. Huh.....i flush and flush but this turd keeps.floating up

[Lizzie Poppet]

21. Oh, god...my sides!

[pdsimdars]

28. Me too!

[Mike__M]

50. Know what you mean

it almost seems inevitable.

[2banon]

66. bwhaaaa!

omg, you nailed it!

[winter is coming]

72. DUzy! Or should that be doo-zy? n/t

[dana_b]

77. hehehehe

thank you!!

[stonecutter357]

6. K&R!

[djean111]

7. This stuff never gets old - oh, wait! - it did.

I don't hate Clinton, I hate her proclivity for war and fracking and the TPP, amongst many other bad things. Why would I waste a strong emotion like HATE on someone I have no wish to know?
I consider supporting her to be sort of like not caring about my family.

[FlatBaroque]

8. Not a f'ing chance in hell

[DemocratSinceBirth]

9. I am a big fan of letting voters vote as they wish without hectoring them.

If need be we will win without em!

[NorthCarolina]

47. That's the spirit

because odds are you will probably have to do exactly that.

[stillwaiting]

10. The person who wrote this is very, very lucky.

She says that she genuinely likes them both.

People that feel that way are very fortunate, and I'm sure that it's difficult for them to understand that many of us DON'T like HRC. And, that does NOT equal hating.

Many of us believe that HRC would be a catastrophe on foreign policy and domestic economic issues. Let me repeat that: A catastrophe.
This should come as no surprise to HRC supporters since we have been very consistent since the beginning of this primary about this fact. So, it would not be a case of sour grapes if some Bernie supporters don't vote for HRC. It would be a case of some Bernie supporters not wanting to support someone that they STRONGLY disagree with on policy.

It's a damn shame that she might win the nomination since there seems to be much fewer HRC supporters that would have had a problem voting for Bernie.

But, it is what it is.

And, some advice: Trying to GUILT Bernie supporters into voting for HRC will not work out well. I promise.

[FlatBaroque]

11. The author of that article: Melissa Hillman

Melissa Hillman is the artistic director of Impact Theatre in Berkeley. So the artistic director of a theatre is where some go for their political analysis. Who wants to bet that the Impact Theater is Berkeley is a recipient of cash form the Clinton mafia?

[forjusticethunders]

12. it's really silly to not vote for "mediocre to bad" is running against "debacletastrophe" nt

[baldguy]

13. Hatred has a way of blinding the hater.

Bridging hairs-breadth differences between Sanders and Clinton is an insurmountable obstacle for the Clinton haters, but they see the enormous gulf between Democrats and Republicans, and the Clinton haters treat them as conjoined twins.

They so desperately want 21st century America to be a replay of the Paris Commune. It isn't. We're rhyming to the tune of the Wiemar Republic instead.

[MelungeonWoman]

16. Totally agree with your statement on hate.

Hate has a way of blinding people to the truth.

[baldguy]

20. You do know that the Political Compass has a self-professed libertarian bias, right?

And when they put Hitler to the left of major Democrats, they loose all credibility.

[MelungeonWoman]

25. Bwahahahaha!

They lose all credibility because you don't like the truth. TSFS.

I do hope you leave your graph up, it has info that mine didn't that is worth sharing.

[baldguy]

30. Hitler is more liberal than Clinton. Right.

Exactly what the RW lunatics have been saying for years.

[SheenaR]

33. Economically a Socialist Liberal

Far to the left of Sec. Clinton.

http://www.infowars.com/myth-busted-actually-yes-hitler-was-a-socialist-liberal/

Take nothing from this but my economic points. I advocate nothing this man stood for.

[baldguy]

35. The source you use is Infowars? Seriously?

The only thing to take from this is the Bernistas desperation and your mind-boggling, uncritical, unthinking acceptance of vicious RW propaganda.

[SheenaR]

42. I have a job

Sorry, so I grabbed the first one I found.

But my advanced degree in History is enough to know what I am talking about as well. So take your criticisms and shove them. I know far more of this topic than you. Sorry for the news. The Nazi Party was left on almost all issues except obviously race. If you disagree, I would love a breakdown from you on this matter.

[baldguy]

45. The Nazi's support of publicly funded healthcare & pensions offsets the murder of 12 million people?

Sorry. Not even close. The very idea is offensive & repugnant.

[SheenaR]

46. Unreal

I even said that I excuse nothing they stood for with regards to the horrific genocide.

Get over yourself. Enjoy the day

[baldguy]

49. It's good to know that there are some supposed "progressives" that can be so cold and dispassionate

to be able to separate the two, for the sole purpose of enabling the justification of a disgusting RW attack on a real Democrat, which is unfair, misleading, and most importantly UNTRUE.

Just what I've come to expect.

[Kalidurga]

62. FDR?

[baldguy]

67. Oh, FFS! How many people did FDR systematically murder?

[Kalidurga]

68. Thanks do you realize what your response did?

The arguments that FDR was a great president despite interment camps is much like what you decry in another poster. It wouldn't have taken much to allow people to shoot Japanese people in the streets with impunity. And that is how most people lost their lives in Germany, it wasn't just gas chambers. It was the government encouraging hate and murder. Our government just encouraged hate. Have a nice day.

[baldguy]

69. So, Clinton and FDR are worse than Hitler? That's all kinds bullshit, and you know it.

The fact is that the RW has been trying for years to equate the Democratic Party and liberal & progressive policies with Nazi Germany. And unbelievably, astonishingly and outrageously Sanders supporters above have picked up that idea of equivalence and run with it.

There is no equivalence between Nazi Germany and the American Democratic Party - either in the 20th century or the 21st. Attempting to do so is reprehensible, indefensible, and really beyond the pale.

We are facing a REAL FASCIST THREAT from the Republicans. Attacking Democrats and the Democratic party only helps the fascists.

[Kalidurga]

70. Where did I say that Clinton and FDR are worse than Hitler?

I am pretty sure that is somewhere in your own mind. I have no idea why you are okay with interment camps but there it is cuz it was FDR. You are okay with a whole lot of things that a few months ago you would decry, but that's cool now cuz Hillary.

You can defend fascist lite all you want. But, I will not drink that kool-aid.

[baldguy]

74. Say something outrageous, then act like a surprised & offended RWer when someone gets outraged?

Last edited Thu Mar 24, 2016, 06:38 PM - Edit history (1)

Either that, or you're not paying attention. Re-read the posts and see just what you're defending. The fascists are the ones promoting RW propaganda & attacking Democrats like Clinton.

[Trajan]

78. This 'Bernista' says ...

Tata ... No more baldguy

[Surya Gayatri]

14. K & R.

[TheCowsCameHome]

15. Toss it over into the HRC group.

They'll eagerly feast on it.

[pdsimdars]

29. Slight edit

don't say, "Toss IT over "
But "Toss this carcass over to the HRC group."

[Dawgs]

17. The me be the dumbest thing I've ever read.

Almost none of it is accurate.

[hrmjustin]

18. Thsnk you but as can see they won't listen.

[Armstead]

36. Listen to what? Principles equals privilege?

That's dumpster worthy thinking. Sounds much like the GOP attack against elite liberals too.

[Triana]

19. Not a Clinton hater

She'll get my vote IF Sanders doesn't make it. I happen to think he is the better candidate for America right now.

However, the race isn't but HALF over yet and yet so many (Wall St., Dem Establishment, Corporat-owned media, big pharma, MiC, big insurance (big corporations) - speaking of "privileged&quot want to cram Clinton down America's collective throat. Because they know SHE will leave alone the status quo that keeps them in gilded opulence at everyone else's expense while Bernie will NOT.

Forcing a candidate on people by whatever greasy means possible will only turn millions of them away. This is the dangerous game you are all playing even with the specter of DONALD TRUMP being President. At what point do YOU stop?

Calling for all others to bow out of the race before it's even half over is so apparently self-serving, it hurts to think about it.

You see, it isn't Clinton anyone hates. It's the TACTICS used to elevate her while either ignoring or sandbagging the other guy before he even has a chance.

PLEASE. Just. Do. NOT. with this stuff.

[TCJ70]

22. I don't hate Clinton, but she's made it incredibly hard to vote for her...n/t

[Punkingal]

23. Disliking someone's past votes and distrusting them because of it does not equal hate.

Disliking lying does not equal hate. Preferring another candidate does not equal hate. It is sad how over-used the word hate is these days.

[Autumn Colors]

24. This fellow Nutmegger's mind remains unchanged

Have a nice day.

[pdsimdars]

26. You are making that "hillary-hater" meme up

pulling it right out of your, uh, . . . . . . . . . thin air?

Does it make you feel better, if you think it is blind hate? Rather than a fundamental disagreement with what she stands for.?
I see posts all over the place talking about REASONS why they disagree with her.

Rather than face any of those issues, the Hillary worshippers refuse to look at issues, and have to find some made up reasons why someone would disagree with her . . after all, it couldn't be with her issues. . otherwise they'd have to think about what she has said and done. . . and they can't handle that.

So, stop it. No one HATES Hillary. . . they just don't like all the lies, smears and swift boating. And those lies, smear and swift boats have been documented here and elsewhere.

[Arugula Latte]

56. ^This^

So bloody sick of this lie that we just decided to "hate" Hillary out of the blue, for absolutely no reason (oh, except for sexism, because apparently even those of us who are women who consider ourselves feminists but support Bernie are very, very sexist.)

[FlatBaroque]

83. Please do not speak for everyone.

I have studied Hillary Clinton's policies, decisions and judgment. I disagree with many of her important policy positions. When I see the level of corruption she has engaged in, I absolutely hate her with a passion.

[Hortensis]

31. " I’m sick of seeing her reviled for the same things

people forgive easily when they’re done by men..."

"I see people swear up and down their hatred of Clinton isn’t because she’s a woman, or doesn’t stem directly from decades of vicious, lying conservative propaganda— they will swear it!–and then immediately turn around and eviscerate her for something Sanders did (or is) himself, or call her a “crook,” or say nonsense like, “She doesn’t have an honest bone in her body.”

"There’s not a thing wrong with choosing Sanders over Clinton, or disliking Clinton’s current policy proposals. However, the out-and-out hatred we’re seeing from some Sanders supporters (and about which I am hardly the first person to write) bears some serious scrutiny.

While the Sanders campaign has made real efforts to deal with the worst of it–the “Bernie Bros” acting as a misogynistic mob, attacking Clinton and her supporters Gamergate-style; the “Bern the Witch” controversy–there’s still far too much active hatred, and far too much of it is misogynistic or coded misogyny. Far too much of it stems from willing belief in conservative propaganda about Clinton that has been debunked over and over.

I think we all expected it, but I did not expect it from our side."

[SheenaR]

34. As a woman

My dislike comes from my feelings on her as a person. Am i sexist? I think she is a liar. I don't think she can be honest. I think she is pathological. I think this "propaganda for decades" notion is bullshit. She and her husband were involved with some extraordinarily shady dealings in the 1990's. That's not propaganda. That's real life.

I wouldn't trust her if I was paid to.

Must be my sexist leanings as a woman.

[Darb]

39. Keep telling yourself that.

It will make you feel better I am sure.

[VulgarPoet]

32. Woooooowww.

Way to go, calling a military lgbt poc privileged. I suppose if you're allowed to wide brush tar like that, I can say you and everyone like you are tumblr-esque armchair activists and keyboard politicians?



Standing o-freakin'-vation. I've officially read the dumbest thing I'll read all month. I support policy.

Not age, not race, not gender, not religion, not orientation--

Policy. And there is so much more of Clinton's policy that I absolutely disagree with.

[Armstead]

37. Same smear as the GOP attacks against "Liberal Elites"

[Waiting For Everyman]

38. It has their favorite buzz word in it.

Good on AIDS? That's a sick joke. Look up the Arkansas poison blood scandal.

[Miles Archer]

40. Can I get a copy of that on 2-ply?

Then it would have some value.

I don't "hate" Hillary, I just don't want Hillary as my President.

The "consider the alternative" thing doesn't hold water for me. I have considered the alternative. That doesn't make Hillary a candidate who is worthy of my vote. No amount of poorly written "opinion pieces" are going to change that.

[Avalux]

41. Go back to your voodoo kitchen and cook up something else.

This was posted here yesterday and is so out of touch - it's absurd.

[VulgarPoet]

52. Hey, hey, hey--

this has none of the hallmarks of conventional voodoo. Don't tarnish such an esoteric practice with this not-even-warm-anymore carcass of an OP.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

43. Where's the "hate" part?

I see a lot of scrutiny of her past performance here. Hate?

[Chan790]

44. Considered. Rejected. n/t

[NorthCarolina]

48. I don't "hate" Clinton, I don't even know her so how could I? BUT

I sure as hell don't care for her color of politics.

[basselope]

51. Read it. Still not voting for a republican (aka Clinton).

[pdsimdars]

53. What this sounds like to me

[VulgarPoet]

58. The poutrage is strong in this thread.

[Maedhros]

54. If the Democrats want my vote for the Presidency, they will nominate someone who deserves it.

Not a corporate puppet.

[VulgarPoet]

59. +1

[jillan]

55. This is the opinion of someone that owns a theater company - LOL!

Do you seriously look for blogs where someone sitting at home writes their feelings and post that as a credible source?

I personally don't give a crap about what some blogger thinks.

And whomever I vote for is my right and my decision.

[AzDar]

57. Has it ever occurred you that most do not 'hate' her? We simply do not trust or agree with her...

Or believe that she should ever be President of anything other than Goldman/Sachs...

[frylock]

60. Oh well.

[MisterP]

61. privilege is what lets people back Clinton without realizing who the regime she set up murders

http://www.thenation.com/article/chronicle-of-a-honduran-assassination-foretold/

funny, just yesterday we were being told Clinton didn't need Bernie or Bust and would win against Trump by 10 points ...

[Dems to Win]

63. Scream 'Privilege!' at voters, that'll get turnout up in November

All those workers at WalMart without health care because they can't pay the $5500 deductible on their health 'insurance', an entire generation choking on student load debt, millions of Americans whose homes were stolen by banks via mortgage fraud with no consequence to the bankers: these are the privileged people in our society, according to the Democrats, apparently.

Yep, a strategy guaranteed to win in November!

[aikoaiko]

64. Lesser of two evils is a strategy, but not compelling to people who wont see much of a difference

What HRC and her supporters need to ask is has she addressed the interests of Bernie supporters as well as she has other groups within the Obama coalition.

I can't answer yes.

And if she changed her rhetoric would anyone have reason to believe her?

[2banon]

65. ...

[Bill USA]

73. oh, you're so hard on GOPers for Bernie. They just want Trump to win and take us back a century

[WhaTHellsgoingonhere]

75. 10% of you bitter Hillary supporters didn't vote for Obama in 2008!

Now, what were you carrying on about?

[desmiller]

79. Now that's rich...

You made it sound like you're holding someone for ransom. I was going to put you in my naughty list, but the post tickled me too much. Thx for the smile.

[peacebird]

80. Hillary will NEVER get my vote. The future if the planet for my grandkids is my priority.

Hills thinks Fracking is freaking awesome, no way in hell.
Hills speech at AIPAC, truly a mindboggling horror show of neocon hawkishness.
Her unstinting support of outsourcing and H1B visas, no brainer. Destroy the middle class.

Oh and her support of WallStreet instead of MainStreet, yeah wrong again.

She is a nightmare and she will never get my vote.

[NorthCarolina]

81. Not "privilege", but "morals".

eom

[Warren DeMontague]

82. This gibberish again?

"Privilege" is getting paid a quarter of a million dollars for a single speech.

[Jenny_92808]

84. I don't want her as President

because of her lack of character (lies, swiftboats, etc.) and her policies, period.

[connecticut yankee]

85. Would you rather have Trump

or Cruz?