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upaloopa

(11,417 posts)
Thu Mar 24, 2016, 10:40 AM Mar 2016

Hillary's campaign spends money efficiently. It raises less than Bernie but gets better results.

Hillary's campaign has effective gatherings. Smaller than Bernie's but she gets her message across effectively.

Hillary's campaign is winning the primary season. She has millions of more votes than Bernie and more delegates.


I think Hillary will make a very effective President. She knows how to put together a winning team.


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Hillary's campaign spends money efficiently. It raises less than Bernie but gets better results. (Original Post) upaloopa Mar 2016 OP
A small, elite team full of yes (wo)men astrophuss42 Mar 2016 #1
I don't think money spent has influenced this election (for her) as much as... TCJ70 Mar 2016 #2
Yup. You have to spend more against someone who has more name recognition. (n/t) thesquanderer Mar 2016 #3
So he will have a lot of name recognition when he goes back to the Senate CajunBlazer Mar 2016 #8
Did you forget about the super pacs fueled by David Brock & Wall Street? think Mar 2016 #4
Don't forget Sanders SuperPACS nor the foreign donations he can't explain... KittyWampus Mar 2016 #14
Are you including PACs? nt noamnety Mar 2016 #5
If she paid for the free media coverage that she has received.... peace13 Mar 2016 #6
LOL! "effective gatherings" you say? such as this one: amborin Mar 2016 #7
I guess that make Bernie a better candidate CajunBlazer Mar 2016 #9
Come on now NWCorona Mar 2016 #10
what a bizarre thing to say; and, separately, you uphold HRC as of and for the elites amborin Mar 2016 #16
That is an amazingly insensitive statement Armstead Mar 2016 #17
Is it stupid? Maybe not CajunBlazer Mar 2016 #28
That makes it more meaningful... Armstead Mar 2016 #29
I think that is a reasonable position CajunBlazer Mar 2016 #30
Super PACS HumanityExperiment Mar 2016 #11
She has dropped 10% in the polls since last year, while Bernie has gained 45%. Dawgs Mar 2016 #12
Perhaps it's because rock Mar 2016 #13
That statement is revealing...So it's just a product? Armstead Mar 2016 #15
This isn't the 1896. And Sanders isn't William McKinley. baldguy Mar 2016 #25
I think Sanders and his supporters recognize that Armstead Mar 2016 #26
reckless regime change that strengthens ISIS? FTAs that harm the middle and working class? amborin Mar 2016 #18
Remember rock rock Mar 2016 #19
People prefer Brand A frylock Mar 2016 #23
Funny! rock Mar 2016 #24
And shares it with other Democrats running for election or re-election! Iliyah Mar 2016 #20
Money does buy access... Orsino Mar 2016 #21
You failed to mention Comcast and Time Warner UglyGreed Mar 2016 #22
You should probably look at all the races instead of just AZ. jeff47 Mar 2016 #27
Hillary has gobs and gobs of Super Pac money being spent in her favor. ThePhilosopher04 Mar 2016 #31
Berns pissed away millions in Ohio only to be trounced. Dawson Leery Mar 2016 #32

TCJ70

(4,387 posts)
2. I don't think money spent has influenced this election (for her) as much as...
Thu Mar 24, 2016, 10:42 AM
Mar 2016

...name recognition. Not even close. Sanders, on the other hand, has had to raise awareness in every single state to get every vote he can. It's far more expensive to do that when you're not a nationally recognized figure.

CajunBlazer

(5,648 posts)
8. So he will have a lot of name recognition when he goes back to the Senate
Thu Mar 24, 2016, 10:54 AM
Mar 2016

I assume that he is already well know Vermont - so where is he going to go from there. At 78 is he going to make another run for the nomination or will he fade into the sunset?

amborin

(16,631 posts)
7. LOL! "effective gatherings" you say? such as this one:
Thu Mar 24, 2016, 10:48 AM
Mar 2016
Evening with Hillary Rodham Clinton at Avalon Hollywood

with special performances by Mary J. Blige, Estelle, and Ben Harper
MC’d by Russell Simmons
Los Angeles, California
Thursday, March 24th
Evening

$500 - Attendee
$1,000 - Friend (Includes Preferred Viewing)
Co-host: Raise $10,000 (Includes photo and host reception with Hillary)


Conversation with Hillary Rodham Clinton at the Home of Julia Franz and Chris Silbermann
Santa Monica, California
Thursday, March 24th
3:00 - 5:00 PM
$2,700 - Champion
Co-host: Raise $10,000 (Includes photo and host reception with Hillary)


I am also delighted to share that Bill Clinton will be headlining a fundraising event in La Canada Flintridge (north of Glendale) on Tuesday, March 22. I hope you will consider supporting Hillary for America at the following event:

Reception with President Bill Clinton at the Home of Teena Hostovich and Doug Martinet
La Canada Flintridge, California
Tuesday, March 22nd
Evening
$1,000 - Guest
$2,700 - Champion (Includes photo)
Co-host: Raise $10,000 (Includes photo and host reception with President Clinton
)

CajunBlazer

(5,648 posts)
9. I guess that make Bernie a better candidate
Thu Mar 24, 2016, 10:55 AM
Mar 2016

because he is raising money from those who can't afford it.

CajunBlazer

(5,648 posts)
28. Is it stupid? Maybe not
Thu Mar 24, 2016, 11:57 AM
Mar 2016

We know that Bernie keeps saying that his average contribution is $27.

We also know based on Election Commission records that a number of Bernie's supporter have exceeded the amount - $2,700 - that and individual can contribute to the Bernie campaign for the nomination process. So I think we can assume that these people are contributing more than $27 at time.

That means that the average small contribution had to be smaller than $27 to average out with the larger contributions to $27. As a guess lets say the average smaller contribution would be closer to $20 - some will be larger, some will be smaller. These are not the type of contributions of people who can afford to contribute much to a political campaign. Usually the smaller the contribution, the tighter the budget that contribution comes out of.

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
29. That makes it more meaningful...
Thu Mar 24, 2016, 12:07 PM
Mar 2016

Speaking personally I have given money to sanders that I can ill afford....And I did it with eyes wide open as to his real chances and how it would be used.

A few bucks from people with modest incomes can -- in a practical sense -- help to wean politics from the Teat of Big Business and Wealthy contributors.

And symbolically it is participatory democracy at its best.

As to your other contention, I will not respond because that has more to do with bookkeeping and procedural issues.

CajunBlazer

(5,648 posts)
30. I think that is a reasonable position
Thu Mar 24, 2016, 12:42 PM
Mar 2016

When I added it up all of my ActBlue after the last election I found that I have given far more money to Hillary's campaign in the primaries and then Obama's campaign in the general election (especially the latter) than I could readily afford. And I dang sure gave to much to Democratic Senate campaigns across the country during the mid-terms with very little return for my money. But you have to do what you have to do to keep the wolves out of the White House, and, if possible out of the Congress.

 

HumanityExperiment

(1,442 posts)
11. Super PACS
Thu Mar 24, 2016, 10:57 AM
Mar 2016

Odd you would leave this heinous aspect out of your 'equation'

But then again HRC isn't willing nor motivated to move against the Citizens United ruling

so is that 'winning'? try again, might need a larger troll stick

 

Dawgs

(14,755 posts)
12. She has dropped 10% in the polls since last year, while Bernie has gained 45%.
Thu Mar 24, 2016, 10:59 AM
Mar 2016

I think he has done better. Obviously not enough, but quite better.

 

baldguy

(36,649 posts)
25. This isn't the 1896. And Sanders isn't William McKinley.
Thu Mar 24, 2016, 11:37 AM
Mar 2016

Presidential candidates have understood & accepted that their campaigns require modern advertising methods for going on 60 yrs. Deal with it.

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
26. I think Sanders and his supporters recognize that
Thu Mar 24, 2016, 11:46 AM
Mar 2016

But politics is not just a "product" in which the only thing that matters is the quick sale. But that Wal mart "brand name" mentality is why politics-as-usual has become so irrelevant and meaningless to so many people.

UglyGreed

(7,661 posts)
22. You failed to mention Comcast and Time Warner
Thu Mar 24, 2016, 11:15 AM
Mar 2016

they do a hell of a good job spreading Hillary propaganda, and trying to tear down Sanders to boot!

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
27. You should probably look at all the races instead of just AZ.
Thu Mar 24, 2016, 11:54 AM
Mar 2016

For example, IA and NH are problematic for your thesis.

 

ThePhilosopher04

(1,732 posts)
31. Hillary has gobs and gobs of Super Pac money being spent in her favor.
Thu Mar 24, 2016, 12:45 PM
Mar 2016

Not to mention she started the race at the 20 yardline going in, while Bernie started on the opposite goal line. I'd say Bernie has been way more efficient and effective than Hillary as a money raiser and campaigner. Not even close.

Dawson Leery

(19,348 posts)
32. Berns pissed away millions in Ohio only to be trounced.
Thu Mar 24, 2016, 02:33 PM
Mar 2016

She understands the value of money. Socialists do not.

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