It seems strange that Bernie folks would be celebrating everytime

[upaloopa]

some new media story comes out about an investigation into the Clinton Foundation or the emails or what ever is out there to destroy Hillary.

These are right wing attempts to destroy all of us. The right knows Hillary will be our nominee. As such she is our fire wall.

If they knock Hillary out they get to rule everything. The White House, the Congress and the SCOTUS

Bernie can't be helped anymore by attacking Hillary. The math is against him.

[onehandle]

1. Shh. You're asking to be called 'anti-democracy' on the Internet.

A fate worse than death.

[jillan]

2. The media stories about Hillary's emails and the Clinton foundation are not going away if Bernie was

to drop out - hopefully you know that.

[merrily]

4. First they source shame, then they content shame. Familiar tactics.

[merrily]

3. Strange that a supporter of Hillary on DU would call Bernie a motherfucker and get away with it.

Pedophile enabler, too.

Posting a news story about Hillary getting investigated seems quite tame compared to shet like that.

Lots of mysteries on this board.

[jillan]

12. Pedophile enabler? Oh shucks I missed that one. Luckily.

I did however see the motherfucker post.
And the jury results allowing it to stand.

[merrily]

16. Yip. Posted more than once, too. A good while back and again much more recently.

I think by two different posters, but I cannot swear to that bit. The motherfucker post was from a different poster, though. Yes, and then there were the jury results, when supporters of Sanders are supposedly rigging the jury.

DU went through the lookoing glass months ago.

[bravenak]

5. All some have is the hope of an indictment

Nothing we can do to help them.

[upaloopa]

9. Well I am trying to infuse some rationality and relativity and reality the 3 R's

[bravenak]

11. Good luck, dear. It is unpossible to assist them.

I am pulling for you. You are gonna have to work so damn hard.

[upaloopa]

18. It's become a hobby of mine

Maybe one mind out there somewhere is receptive

[bravenak]

21. I'm sure you will find one

Thinkingabout found me and rescued me from nonsense. You might find one too.

[insta8er]

42. The reality that your candidate is bought and paid for by big pharma, the oil industry, and

Wall-street? The reality that she is getting paid by the same people that pay the guys on the other side of the aisle?, The reality that since we have tried that and it brought us to the current situation (inequality rampant) we should try it again and hope for a different outcome? The reality that while being in "public" service they amassed a wealth of 200 million? doing what? and paid for by whom?

You want to talk about misguided? the problem with her cheersquad is that they think this is about 1 team vs another team, this is about the future of our children and about the future of this earth. It is just too bad that the comprehension of such "little" things seem to be blown past you because of some sort of fandom.

[upaloopa]

57. I don't even bother to read posts like yours

The primary is over. You are not going to effect it one bit

[insta8er]

62. That is the sole reason why you can back your candidate, who is morally bankrupt.

By looking the other way when confronted with the truth about her. Meanwhile you want to lecture others about reality.

[revbones]

73. Lol. You kinda had to in order to reply right? *snicker*

But then Hillary followers have a way of avoiding truth.

[astrophuss42]

6. Look, every democrat, independent, and repub is interested in knowing the truth there

This is, after all, a time for vetting despite the fact that TBTP have ordained her the winner. Do we not deserve to know about who is going to be serving us?

[Autumn]

7. Don't be twisting yourself into a Pretzel trying to wipe out her emails. There is an ongoing

FBI investigation on that.

[GreatGazoo]

8. If we were interviewing 2 candidates for a job, we would certainly want to know

if one of them had an upcoming court date that might affect their ability to be hired or continue on the job. That isn't personal, it is simply pragmatic.

It doesn't help us all if we field a candidate who is less strong against Trump AND has indictments floating around. Look at what happened with Elliot Spitzer.

[bvf]

46. Nailed it right there. Well said. n/t

[Lizzie Poppet]

10. Oh, FFS...every inquiry into something dubious about Hillary isn't a rightwing smear.

The FBI doesn't conduct investigations based on some drooling halfwit of a rightwing blogger (or because some jackwagon in the House blathers about it, either). These are real issues...and character fucking matters.

None so blind...

[TheFarseer]

13. You get that they are waiting for her to be the nominee

And then when we're stuck with her, they're going to open the scandal floodgates.

[upaloopa]

22. If anybody living today can deal with scandal floodgates Hillary can

Anyone old enough to have been around during the Clinton administration knows how hard the right tried to bring down Bill and Hillary and all through it Bill Clinton had positive ratings in the 60's and Hillary has been the most admired woman for a record 20 times.

[bvf]

49. Bill Clinton left office

with 58% of the American voting public considering him dishonest and untrustworthy.

Hillary's recent numbers on those measures are significantly worse.

I'm old enough to not only remember Clinton's administration, but how his major fuck-up in office went a long way towards ensuring Bush's successorship.

Can the crap.

[upaloopa]

51. Well you live in your mind and let the rest of live in reality

Clinton Most Admired Woman for Record 20th Time

http://www.gallup.com/poll/187922/clinton-admired-woman-record-20th-time.aspx







Bill Clinton's 1993-2001 Term Average:

55%

Bill Clinton's First-Term Average:

50%

Bill Clinton's Second-Term Average:

61%

Bill Clinton's High Point:

73%

(Dec 19-20, 1998)




Bill Clinton's Low Point:

37%

( Jun 5-6, 1993)


http://www.gallup.com/poll/116584/presidential-approval-ratings-bill-clinton.aspx

[bvf]

61. This is reality. Sorry it hurts you so.

"...68% thought he'd be remembered for his "involvement in personal scandal", and 58% answered 'No' to the question 'Do you generally think Bill Clinton is honest and trustworthy?'. "

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_image_of_Bill_Clinton

Citing CNN/USA TODAY/Gallup

[frylock]

63. Clinton Most Recognized Woman for Record 20th Time

FIFY

[SwampG8r]

68. A whopping13% of the vote for

[frylock]

71. The people have spoken.

[SidDithers]

14. It's all they have remaining...

They know their candidate is virtually eliminated.

They're hoping for a Hail Mary to rescue a failed campaign.

Sid

[DanTex]

15. “If you want the parties to diverge from one another, have Bush win.” --Ralph Nader.

Plus ca change...

[Politicalboi]

17. We don't want to see our chance gone

And she's still fighting this. She's going to lose this e-mail fights eventually. Better if Bernie were still in. Hillary is NOT us. She destroyed herself. You just don't want to see the flaws in your candidate. I hope the truth comes out and she will have to drop out. I don't want a presidency with investigations and impeachment on the horizon.

[Logical]

19. So the email investigation is being ran by thr gop? Nt

[CorkySt.Clair]

20. Purity of essence trumps all concerns

[Scuba]

23. These "right wing attempts to destroy all of us" are perceived differently by some of us ....

Exposing corruption should be in the Democrat Party's wheelhouse, not something we want to censor.

[Octafish]

45. Hillary Clinton Futures Trades Detailed ($1,000 became $100,000)

Hillary Clinton Futures Trades Detailed

By Charles R. Babcock
Washington Post Staff Writer, Friday, May 27, 1994; Page A01

Hillary Rodham Clinton was allowed to order 10 cattle futures contracts, normally a $12,000 investment, in her first commodity trade in 1978 although she had only $1,000 in her account at the time, according to trade records the White House released yesterday.

The computerized records of her trades, which the White House obtained from the Chicago Mercantile Exchange, show for the first time how she was able to turn her initial investment into $6,300 overnight. In about 10 months of trading, she made nearly $100,000, relying heavily on advice from her friend James B. Blair, an experienced futures trader.

SNIP...

The new records also raise the possibility that some of her profits -- as much as $40,000 – came from larger trades ordered by someone else and then shifted to her account, Leo Melamed, a former chairman of the Merc who reviewed the records for the White House, said in an interview. He said the discrepancies in Clinton's records also could have been caused by human error.

SNIP...

A close examination of her individual trades underscores Blair's pivotal role. It also shows that Robert L. "Red" Bone, who ran the Springdale, Ark., office of Ray E. Friedman and Co. (Refco), allowed Clinton to initiate and maintain many trading positions – besides the first – when she did not have enough money in her account to cover them.

Why would Bone do so? Bone could not be reached for comment, but Blair said he thought he knew why. "I was a very good customer," he said, noting he paid Bone $800,000 in commissions over the years. "They weren't going to hassle me. If I brought them somebody, they weren't going to hassle them."

CONTINUED...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/special/whitewater/stories/wwtr940527.htm

Legal don't mean it's right.

[Chan790]

24. Has it occurred to you...

that we applaud because we believe she's factually guilty and belongs in prison?

Because...I believe she's factually guilty and belongs in prison for the rest of her life.

I applaud because I believe in the truth over politics.

[riversedge]

32. "Because...I believe she's factually guilty and belongs in prison for the rest of her life."

There is no truth in your belief--fact is--it is shameful

[840high]

43. That's your opinion. I have

a different opinion.

[riversedge]

44. as I said. Your comment is shameful on a Democratic board.

[840high]

52. Truth is shameful now? Good

luck with that. So many times I wanted to put your bs on ignore - but you're fascinating in your denial.

[Chan790]

75. If you believe that...

alert.

When it comes back 0-7 in my favor, I'm going to gloat...I'm entitled to hold an opinion based on the facts made available that does not conform to what you want me to think.

I believe Hillary committed a crime regarding the use of the email server and her failure to segregate the work done by her family's foundation from her official duties as Sec. of State, as required by law. I am entitled to those beliefs. I believe the facts in evidence comport to those beliefs.

I don't believe there is a witch-hunt...I think she actually broke the law.

[bvf]

50. You know this how, exactly?

Oh, that's right--you don't.

[redstateblues]

38. Just because you believe something

Doesn't make it true

[JonLeibowitz]

55. And just because you wish something to not be true, doesn't make it false.

It works both ways.

[Dem2]

60. Well that's one of the most disturbing things I've read in a while

Mostly because I don't believe a single word that you posted.

[Chan790]

74. You don't believe that I think Hillary is actually guilty...

of corruption in the performance of her actions on the part of the Clinton foundation and guilty of endangering national security in conducting State Dept. business that may have involved classified (and higher) information from an email account hosted on her private server?

Okay. I guess you're entitled to think that I don't think that...except that I really do think that so despite what you believe, you're incorrect about what I believe to be true.

[baldguy]

25. "These are right wing attempts to destroy all of us."

The fact that Bernistas will happily use this RW propaganda for short-term political gain - and still be massively losing - shows that they're myopic opportunists, with no understanding that, even if they succeed in their immediate objective they'll be doomed because they'd have provided the RW with the power to destroy them.

[840high]

53. Open your eyes. You're the

one that's myopic.

[baldguy]

59. The TRUMP® goons will be appriciatve when they come for you.

Since you were so useful in getting their guy in power, they'll only break 3 of your ribs when they drag you off to the nearest TRUMP® re-education camp.

[840high]

66. What a dumb reply.

[baldguy]

67. It was appropriate then.

[840high]

69. You don't tell me who to

support or who to vote for.

[baldguy]

70. Stop whining. Nobody is telling who to vote for.

I'm just pointing out that using RW Republican lies to attack progressive Democrats like Hillary Clinton (and, yes she is a progressive Democrat) is not helpful to progressive Democrats.

[revbones]

26. Not everything is a right-wing smear. It is disingenuous to imply otherwise. nt

[840high]

72. Correct.

[Prism]

27. I don't defend corruption just because a D is next to someone's name

And facts aren't "right-wing".

If we're in for 4-8 years of defending conservative, Republican policies because being opposed to them is "right-wing" this country is hosed.

[redstateblues]

39. Still waiting for proof of quid pro quo

Just a smear

[Prism]

40. And the billowing black clouds of smoke are just fog

Pay it no mind. Probably fine.

[2banon]

28. "celebrating" ? huh?

way to spin it.

[riversedge]

33. with all the gleeful posts applauding the smears--"celebrating" is spot on

[Z_California]

29. "Bernie folks"

You're just talking about the Bernie folks who are just like you. Warriors hoping for the destruction of the "other side". Most "Bernie folks" aren't like that.

[Bluenorthwest]

30. It used to seem strange to me that a handful of DUers constantly denigrate Bernie and his supporters

Then recently the motives were put on the table and now it just seems creepy and negative.

[upaloopa]

37. My OP is not denigrating anyone

[ThePhilosopher04]

31. Hillary isn't for us. She's for them. You know that.

[upaloopa]

34. I can't accept that because it is not true

[riversedge]

35. them vs us. Yup. Sanders work has indeed rubbed off on you.

[Waiting For Everyman]

36. Hillary is a corruption time bomb.

If it blows before the convention we have a much better chance. If she had any sense or any regard for the country she would take herself out of the race, but an ego that size simply can't do it. The DNC is too corrupt to even acknowledge the problem. That leaves the other side... hopefully to bring it out while we still have a chance to regroup.

If it stays under cover until after she is nominated there will be a lot of trouble for us.

So yes, signs that it is coming to a head are hopeful. She isn't our firewall, she is our liability.

[AtomicKitten]

56. x 1000000

She isn't our firewall, she is our liability.

[840high]

41. FBI is not RW. She

brought this on herself.

[m-lekktor]

47. Hillary Clinton is not part of any "us" I belong to. nt

[asuhornets]

48. It's useless...they're not listening.

Go Hillary..

[840high]

54. Neither are you.

[MariaThinks]

58. it's ridiculous and short sighted. i'm not sure if they are expecting bernier to give everyone free

money or something. The world is not stopping for us - wars will still need to be fought, terrorism dealt with, the deficit paid down.

[frylock]

64. Yeah, that's my expectation. Free money and junk.

Just like the conservative shitbags are always accusing the democrats of wanting. Makes ya proud to read that twaddle on this site.

[tokenlib]

65. It is time for the Third Way/New Dems to go away..

All the news about the Clinton Foundation and corporate or Wall Street stuff simply clarifies how the system is rigged.

Also, this isn't over until everyone has voted. ...If the truth has a damaging effect on Hillary's candidacy.. So be it.

The GOP has more stuff on Hillary than ever before thanks to the Clinton Foundation stuff..and unfortunately it isn't all right wing attacks..some of it is true..

[ladjf]

76. I disagree with your analysis that Hillary would protect us from Trump.

Every poll I've seen shows that Bernie does better against any and all Republican candidates that
does Hillary.

So in that light, I could say that the Democratic Party would be more likely to stay in the White House by nominating Bernie for their candidate.

I do recognize that the same poll show that Hillary would also defeat Trump but by a smaller margin.
I consider that the greater risk. Trump is a master of withering personal insults. And we should admit
that Hillary has a lot of baggage for Trump to aim at. I know she's a tough lady and been through
a lot. But, we have never met a genius, ignorant unscrupulous tyrant of the likes of Trump. He is
Genghis Khan on steroids. He has NO scruples. And if he is elected all of us are going to have to
figure out how we can extract him from office.


I'm also not certain that Bernie could hold him off. But, between Bernie and Hillary, I would select Bernie. He's a shrewd old bird who will not allow Trump to blast him away with meaningless insults.
He's already called Bernie the Jewish Socialist. I hope they don't get into any of his major
vulgar routines. I doubt that Bernie will be showing nude photos of his wife.