Millennials like socialism — until they get jobs

[hill2016]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/in-theory/wp/2016/03/24/millennials-like-socialism-until-they-get-jobs/

Is this true? Do millennials support Sanders only because they aren't paying for his platform?

[bkkyosemite]

1. No. Bull shit.

[hill2016]

2. oh

any studies of Sanders' supporters chomping to pay for his platform?

[RANGERMAN89]

50. Why are you posting this?

This is basically kicking sand in the face of almost everything democrats stand for. You might as well be saying we need to get rid of SS and Medicare so that we can keep it out of the hands of the dirty poor and unemployed.

[Viva_La_Revolution]

59. ageist

[Omaha Steve]

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[RANGERMAN89]

64. Pathetic

Next let's hear how we need to get the "lazy "poor to get back to work by cutting welfare and SS

[XRubicon]

66. Ok... I'll give them credit for clicktivism too.

They are good at giving likes and retweeting.

It's a start!

[RANGERMAN89]

114. That "clicktivism" erased a 50 point national lead!!

These young people are fighting for a candidate who is for the people unlike the corporatist you support who voted to send me and my friends on a false war where I saw people I loved die for a lie that Hillary Clinton couldn't see through.

[Trust Buster]

4. Cha Ching..........LOL

[cosmicone]

5. Same thing with free stuff

Everyone likes it when they get it and someone else is paying for it.

[hill2016]

7. oh man

hopefully Sander's supporters are different and want to pay for it.

[cosmicone]

12. They will pay $27

to get free tuition, free healthcare, free paid leaves, protection from imports ... all that is needed is free cable, free movies, free vacations and free gasoline. Then it's a bargain of the century. They may even give $37 for all that!

[Armstead]

31. So you're a Republican now?

I could lift that shit from Sean Hannity's webpage

[Human101948]

33. I love how you parrot the Republicans...

We are the most backward of the OECD countries when it comes to social services. And you're helping to keep that way.

Six Ways America Is Like a Third-World Country

Read more: http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/six-ways-america-is-like-a-third-world-country-20140305#ixzz43rSmPMBq
Follow us: @rollingstone on Twitter | RollingStone on Facebook

[virtualobserver]

52. How "progressive" of you to say that.

[TexasMommaWithAHat]

77. If this was said in a non-political season

your post would be hidden.

I feel sure of it.

You've been studying at the school of Limbaugh and Hannity?

[RANGERMAN89]

46. Hahaha are you Paul Ryan?

Because you are stealing his talking points. I doubt it even Ryan had the decency to admit calling poor people"lazy takers" was wrong. Sad day when a tea party republican has a higher moral code then some Hillary supporters.

[Buddyblazon]

47. I have two businesses and...

I support Bernie.

So, yet again, you're wrong, cosmicone.

[RANGERMAN89]

63. Big surprise

Republican logic crashes and burns again it's just sad that this is the pathetic Hillary meme they want to push now. I guess being a "Progressive who gets things done" means you have to shame the poor.

[Odin2005]

125. You sound like a Republican.

Free Republic is over there.

We are not looking for "free stuff". We are demanding what the older generations promised us when we were kids.

[arcane1]

6. "millennials aren’t sure if free markets are sufficient to drive income mobility"

Only a liar or a fool would believe they are sufficient.

[Fairgo]

8. Wow, you reveal much about your true values

Right out there for the world to see...

If I thought you knew what I was talking about, I'd say you were brave to do so. As it is, I think otherwise.

[think]

9. Hillary supporters once again slamming universal healthcare as FREE STUFF & SOCIALISM. Sad.....

[arcane1]

14. We are only a day or two away from them declaring climate change is a hoax n/t

[UglyGreed]

18. Yes indeed

I also heard sea levels are going down and not up.......

[JonLeibowitz]

99. Well...yeah. Tide goes in, tide goes out. Ya can't explain that!

Psst:

[UglyGreed]

120. LOL

looks like they are right after all...........

[think]

20. Unfortunately based on threads like this it wouldn't surprise me... /nt

[vintx]

48. True. They're openly voicing Republican talking points

I guess when they come from Brock it's to be expected.

Still sad though.

[revbones]

81. And then falsely accusing Bernie supporters of citing right-wing sources

Very sad indeed.

[cheapdate]

16. +1

[think]

39. Indeed! Welcome to DU!

[Art_from_Ark]

87. As an undergraduate student at a state university

in the '70s and '80s, I could essentially get free tuition-- A semester's tuition was only about $300, and a Basic/Pell Grant would usually cover that. And all my graduate studies were paid by teaching assistantships. Also, NDSL student loans were offered by the Federal government at low interest rates-- sometimes lower than bank savings account rates-- so that money could collect some bank interest before it was used.

[Mnpaul]

71. Quoting the Cato Institute

why is this crap on DU?

[elleng]

10. sounds like bull shit to me.

millenials I know (including my daughters and their friends) among the hardest working people I know. (Most of my friends are retired.)

[1StrongBlackMan]

70. While I agree with what you say about millennials beeing hardworrking ...

that is not what this article (and supporting data) is talking about.

[elleng]

74. Right, and the sub-'head' is misleading, imo:

'Do millennials support Sanders only because they aren't paying for his platform?'

[angrychair]

83. Come on 1SBM

While there are some things we might not see eye-to-eye on, this is a CATO institute and Reason magazine sourced article. in any other time, this would be locked in a microsecond and the poster may even get a pizza for their efforts, primary season does not make it alright.
These are well known right-wing libertarian organizations. I searched for awhile and could not find the time period it was done in or any other polling methodology you would expect to accompany a study like this.
This article plays off a well-known libertarian/republican adage:
"If you are young and not liberal, you don't have a heart. If your old and not republican, you don't have a brain."

I know since I've heard my wingnut mother-in-law say it dozens of times.

Any "study" from these particular organizations has zero validity, especially since they have been known to take creative liberties with published information. Both deny global warming. Both have attacked the poor on dozens of occasions.

[sendero]

119. One good thing about CATO..

... if they publish it you can rest assured that it is 100% delusional bullshit.

[bkkyosemite]

13. Ridiculous!

[Kalidurga]

15. I am pretty sure what it is, is that they don't want to be force to have two jobs...

for the rest of their lives. I think they also understand that retirement is going to be a pipe dream for the majority of people if we continue down the road we are going.

I must say I love the invasion of RW thought on Hills side. It is very enlightening.

[merrily]

26. People who oppose Medicare for All, agree TPP is the gold standard,

defend passing NAFTA after Poppy didn't manage to get it done, defend "ending welfare as we know it," and repealing Glass Steagall, defend DOMA until a relatively moderate Republican SCOTUS Justice says its bs, defend voting for the IWR.

[Art_from_Ark]

113. But she's a super die-hard progressive, dash it all!

A progressive who gets things done!

Like, um...er...hmmm...

[JonLeibowitz]

17. Bullshit. I am a millenial 17-29 yr old with a job and $0 college debt (nor ever had debt)

I support his platform because it is the right platform for our time. It will very likely impact me negatively via increased income taxes, increased investment expenses etc. But taxes are the price we pay for a civilized society.

Any other questions?

By the way are you aware that the Cato institute and the author are RWers?

[merrily]

23. For everybody for our time. God forbid people who are doing fine should worry about

things like climate change, people who can't even afford their co-pays, etc.

[merrily]

19. Typically disgusting and false assumption that people support Sanders only because they need money.

[brewens]

107. What we need is for the taxes we're already paying to go for programs and projects that

actually benefit us. Not just the mindless looting by the 1% that has been going on for decades.

[merrily]

109. I agree. I was making a different point, though.

[angstlessk]

21. Is that Emily Ekins of the CATO Institute?

https://www.google.com/search?site=&source=hp&q=Emily+Ekins&btnK=Google+Search

[arcane1]

24. "Emily Ekins is a research fellow and director of polling at the Cato Institute."

From the OP's link.

[JonLeibowitz]

25. Yep and it is even disclosed as such at the top of the article.

So hill2016 knew they were whacking Sanders supporters with the words of a RWer.

[think]

38. Emily Ekins: "Libertarian Roots of the Tea Party"

[vintx]

60. LOL

[NurseJackie]

22. Ooph! :-P

[Human101948]

40. Another great comment!

thanks for the time and effort spent in thoughtful commentary.

[Newkularblue]

27. See boomers vs natl debt

THEN ask if millenials are the problem...

Ageis is ageism

And no, im not insinuating.. just playing devils advocate

[SheilaT]

28. Complete and total bullshit.

Unless they're retirees, every Bernie supporter I know has a job.

[Armstead]

29. Gee whiZ....Clinton criticize Sanders folks for posting right wing trash....

and then publish right wing trash.

[arcane1]

36. A right wing source, with right wing talking points, supporting a right wing perspective.

It's a trifecta!

[BillZBubb]

100. It's the Third Way!

[arcane1]

104. "Three rights make a left" I suppose

[ladjf]

32. What kind of destructive junk is this OP?

[blm]

34. This is NOT a healthy post and I can't imagine why anyone would post a RW stereotype like this.

This is NOT what DU or the Dem party is about.

[Jackie Wilson Said]

37. Couldnt agree more. This is what the Bernie vs Hillary supporters war has brought us to.

[blm]

42. Some in both camps are relying on RW smears - this cr@p has to end.

We've been fighting RW propaganda here at DU from our earliest days here, and this primary has opened the floodgates and it's now rushing into every corner of GD-P.

[Jackie Wilson Said]

35. This is rightwing garbage. There is nothing free when the average American

will work themselves into an early grave from overworking, whether they have universal healthcare or not, tuition free education or not.

Jesus, stop doing this.

[Sky Masterson]

41. Archie Bunker? Is that you?

Thought you were dead.

[peace13]

43. People on the right perceive 'socialism' as an attack on their privilege.

Making the place good for everybody is not in their value set. I got mine, get a job, I don't want to hear about it, are the mantras they live by.

People want health care that works, not a huge deductible that renders the policy useless. They are paying and want to pay for a product that works. They want a job but can't live on eight dollars an hour. Minimum wage is not a sustainable life style.

Privatizing school loan debt has made the banks rich and the students poor. People will pay but the system can't be rigged against them. The math does not permit a loan payment, a rent payment and a health care payment. No wonder folks give up.

[basselope]

44. So how do you explain Gen X's tilt towards Sanders

They still slackin in your mind?

How about us 1%ers who support him?

[kcr]

103. Hey, that's right. I'm glad someone still remembers we exist.

I swear, you'd think we Gen-Xers all fell off the face of the earth, lately.

[Prism]

45. I really like that you discuss policy

It's very rare actually, in a race based on personality, to see someone constantly posting articles that discuss substantive things.

So you're moving in a good direction there!

I'm just a bit confused why you're always posting in favor of Republican policies and platforms.

[neverforget]

76. Doesn't want to lose the nanny, housekeeper, private schools because that's middle class

in the OP's world.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251860815

[zappaman]

49. I would think Clinton supporters would want the millennial vote after Sanders drops out.

So this OP feels mean and unnecessary.
Not sure what the upside is.

[grasswire]

51. the latest meme

and very very very insulting.

Way to win the youth vote, hill2016!!

[RepubliCON-Watch]

53. Such right-wing bull$&#!

Again, do you think you can win the GE with trash fleeing to groups???

[Armstead]

54. Here's another one you can link to and endorse

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511569179

[surrealAmerican]

55. Go ahead and and believe that ...

... and rail against those "takers" who want "free stuff". Then look in the mirror - you will look just like Mitt Romney.

[lumberjack_jeff]

56. What the fuck has happened to this place? Yay, amnesty. n/t

[Jester Messiah]

57. Oh look, a bunch of conservative bullshit.

Didn't used to see that around here much.

[Enrique]

58. they were takers

now they're makers!!!

[stranger81]

61. Jesus H. Christ.

I got my first job the summer I turned 13 years old, shoveling ice into eight pound bags for about $1.70/hour, and apart from maternity leave when my daughter was born, I have worked continuously ever since. I've worked cleaning hotel rooms, in a factory, as a personal maid, making ice cream cones at Dairy Queen, as a clerk at a video store, for a loooonnnggg time at various record stores (before MP3s made those hard to come by), as an HR assistant, and, for the last 16 years, as an attorney. Whether I was making $1.70/hr or six figures a year, I have ALWAYS been a socialist.

If you have empathy and concern for others, it doesn't vanish just because you get a job or a pay raise.

Conversely, if you lack empathy and concern for others . . . . well, you oppose policies that would give "free stuff" to those "lazy students" who should just "get a job."

[forjusticethunders]

65. Hillary supporters, take note.

This is why people think your candidate is actually a conservative.

[riversedge]

68. Yes I do think true. I have seen similar articles.

[TheFarS1de]

69. Please keep posting things like this .

People need to know what the Third way actually represents ......money over people at every stage .

[astrophuss42]

73. Millennials can find jobs?

Could have sworn they haven't been near the top or even the middle of the food chain when it comes to employment. Personally have been putting 70 hour weeks in between work and school as an individual on the cusp of that age range. I consider myself lucky that I can make my mortgage payment but it's really not sustainable in the long term. These sacrifices are just to stay in the middle class.

[DanTex]

75. It's remarkable that Bernie fans insist that 19-year-olds white kids are the wisest people in the US

I get the innocent idealism thing, but entering the workforce is an important part of understanding how the world works.

[RedCappedBandit]

96. Your assumption that 19 year olds don't work reeks of privilege.

[frylock]

108. They do?

I'd love to see you back this up, Dan.

[Zynx]

78. I'm a Hillary supporter, but this is Cato trash.

[lmbradford]

79. so wrong

All four adults in my family have jobs and voted Bernie. We like our police, fire, education, ss, military, to!ads and bridges, etc that are all socialist programs. But thanks for playing.

[CC]

80. Those that have lived & worked

under Democratic Socialism like it so much they stay in the countries that they have their jobs in if they are at all able. Friend of mine was offered a 25% pay increase, free healthcare insurance and extra 20% added to her 401 k if she would just move back to the USA to work for the same corporation. She is thinking about it.

[BillZBubb]

82. Geez, that's a classic right wing attack. Can you sink any lower?

[Gwhittey]

84. I copyed and pasted this

to Sean Hannity forums and the GOPers there loved this post. Odd this is posted on DU, before I became more liberal I always thought DU was a loony lefty site. Boy was I wrong there are plenty of Right Wingers here like OP.

[BillZBubb]

98. I'm shocked at how right wing DU has become. The OP is a prime example.

Things that used to be mainstream Democratic ideals are now mocked by Hillary's fanatical posse.

[Bettie]

85. Wow

You guys just hate young people don't you?

I know, whippersnappers...danged kids with their music and their clothes..."why in MY day...".

[angrychair]

86. Come on hill2016

this is a CATO institute and Reason magazine sourced article. in any other time, this would be locked in a microsecond and the poster may even get a pizza for their efforts, primary season does not make it alright.
These are well known right-wing libertarian organizations. I searched for awhile and could not find the time period it was done in or any other polling methodology you would expect to accompany a study like this.
This article plays off a well-known libertarian/republican adage:
"If you are young and not liberal, you don't have a heart. If your old and not republican, you don't have a brain."

I know since I've heard my wingnut mother-in-law say it dozens of times.

Any "study" from these particular organizations has zero validity, especially since they have been known to take creative liberties with published information. Both deny global warming. Both have attacked the poor on dozens of occasions.

Are you sure your supporting the right candidate and posting to the website that best represents your beliefs and values? Given your sources and you perceived values, I don't think you are.
Could be you are just this desperate to dishearten and humiliate supporters of Sanders?

[PowerToThePeople]

88. Holy Fuck!

Why you have not been banned is beyond me.

Right winger Hillary supporter quoiting CATO institute shit.

I WILL NEVER VOTE HRC!!

[senz]

90. How 'bout us old Bernie supporters who've worked all our lives? You know: Democrats?

I'm getting so sick of this.

[cheapdate]

91. Sarcasm might be a fitting reply...

It's true. Millennials are unfocused and shallow. As soon as they stumble into some kind of gainful employment, they'll begin to see that rugged individualism and "enlightened self interest" are the proper order of things. Have you heard the good news about Ayn Rand?

/sarcasm off

[hobbit709]

92. Spin FAIL!

[hobbit709]

93. Spin FAIL!

[Octafish]

94. What job? ''Wealth Management'' at UBS?

After his exit from the US Senate, Phil Gramm found a job at Swiss bank UBS as vice chairman. He later brought in former President Bill Clinton to the Wealth Management team. What a coincidence, they are the two key figures in repealing Glass-Steagal. Since the New Deal it was the financial regulation that protected the US taxpayer from the Wall Street casino. Oh well, what are a few hundred million in speaking fees compared to a $16 trillion bailout among friends?



It's a Buy-Partisan Who's Who:

President William J. Clinton
President George W. Bush Heh heh heh.
Robert J. McCann
James Carville
John V. Miller
Paula D. Polito
Anthony Roth
Mike Ryan
John Savercool

SOURCE: http://financialservicesinc.ubs.com/revitalizingamerica/SenatorPhilGramm.html

One of my attorney chums doesn't like to see his name on any committees, event letterhead or political campaign literature. These folks, it seems to me, are past caring.

Some of why DUers and ALL voters should care about Phil Gramm.

The fact the nation's "news media" don't should also be of great concern.

[RedCappedBandit]

95. Lol.

I'm a millennial with a good job in my chosen field which happens to be social work. I'm sick of this pretentious bullshit from the conservative wing of the Democratic Party.

[DJ13]

97. Right Wing Bullcrap thats not even relevant to what Sanders proposes

Yet millennials tend to reject the actual definition of socialism — government ownership of the means of production, or government running businesses. Only 32 percent of millennials favor “an economy managed by the government,” while, similar to older generations, 64 percent prefer a free-market economy. And as millennials age and begin to earn more, their socialistic ideals seem to slip away.


Bernie is NOT talking about that kind of socialism, he's promoting Democratic Socialism.

You Clinton supporters know theres a difference, but you keep trotting out this crap to scare people.

Try dealing with the voters honestly for a change, or are you afraid the voters would really like Bernie's proposals?

[beedle]

101. There's a whole 'rest of the world" out there you know?

A lot of the most prosperous and happy populations that exist on this planet are in countries that have 'Bernie type Socialism'.

Go to any of those countries and take a poll of people who actually do live under such 'socialism' and see if they would prefer to switch to an American style 'capitalism' ... the joke of a article will get exposed for the biased piece of nonsense it is.

Oh sure, once Americans start working and earning money they probably do resent money taken in taxes and given to the poor, probably because they don't see it as a safety net like it should be ... American 'socialism' has a big hole in it ... it doesn't cut in until you lose everything. If you're middle class and fall on hard times, well 'fuck you' ... it's not until you lose everything that MAYBE American socialism will step in to help you live in misery.

This is unlike the test of the 'socialized' world where the benefits of socialism are used to keep you from falling out of the middle class in the first place - get sick, you don't lose your income; have a child, you're not put in financial burden and are actually supported when you take time off to look after your family; Lose your job, again the safety net comes to your aid to keep you in a financially stable state until you can recover.

If all 'socialism' meant to other west countries was " if you totally collapse and end up living in a ditch we'll throw you enough for a coffee and a hamburer so you don't starve while sleeping in a ditch" ... then yeah, I'm sure they would all pretty quickly start resenting their taxes going to "socialism" as well.

[dchill]

102. My millenial kids have jobs...

And they put their money where their mouths are.

[ladjf]

105. Total bunk. nt

[phleshdef]

106. I'm a Gen-Xer who makes good money and I support Bernie. But nice try with the right wing bullshit.

Red baiters should really be booted off of DU.

[opiate69]

110. You're trotting out yet another right-wing douchebag "think" tank writer? Color me shocked...

Emily Ekins is a research fellow and director of polling at the Cato Institute.

http://www.cato.org/about

[Chan790]

111. Not in my experience.

I have a job...in fact I'm a small business owner and work two more for the love of the work. I support Sanders' platform even though it's going to take money out of my pocket.

Add to that, that I'm a "trust-fund kid" (one whose grandparents left him more money than you will likely make in a lifetime) and the cost to me of Sanders beating Clinton for the nomination and the GOP for the Presidency is likely 10x/year over what a Clinton, Trump or Cruz Presidency would cost me.

And yet...I still support Sanders because the America I want to live in, isn't a shithole where I need to be concerned about society's collapse under the weight of unsustainable inequality. I know a lot of millennials that feel the same way whether they'd be footing the bill or not.

[mwrguy]

112. 47% of millenials?

[Blue_In_AK]

115. Didn't I just read this on another thread of yours?

What's the deal?

[w4rma]

116. I thought about alerting this. But, I'm reccing it to piss off more Democrats against Clinton.

Smack that hornets nest!

I still can't tell a Clinton supporter from a typical Republican. They even like CATO Institute bullshit.

[Fumesucker]

117. Keep up the good work

You are one of Bernie's most effective spokespeople on this board.

[My Good Babushka]

118. Seven words, two smears! Nice way to economize.

Young people are lazy, and Sanders supporters want "free stuff". Where the heck am I? I was looking for Democratic Underground.

[Betty Karlson]

121. More millennial-bashing. disgusting.

[killbotfactory]

122. RICH PEOPLE HAVE ALL THE FUCKING MONEY

THAT'S WHY THEY SHOULD PAY FOR THINGS

pardon my caps

[Odin2005]

123. As a socialist Millennial with a job, what a load of BS.

[TheSarcastinator]

124. stupid kids! You tell 'em!

This approach will be sure to bring them around to Team Wall Street!!

[ladjf]

126. Junk filler. nt

[craigmatic]

127. bullshit i'm millenial. I got a job. I still love socialism. I want single payer and free education.

[gollygee]

128. I support him and I would be among those paying for his platform.

[Blue_Tires]

129. A writer from Cato? um... NO

[PoliticalPothead]

130. Hillarybots are now using Reason and Cato as legitimate sources?

Well, at least they're finally showing their true colors.