2016 Postmortem
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Who represents the heart and soul of the Democratic Party? Hillary or Bernie?
Are Rahm Emmanuel and DWS the future of the Democratic Party? Is that that we are fighting for?
Help me understand why you are voting for Hillary. Do you believe endless war in the Middle East will bring world peace? Are corporate contributions the key to progressive change? Will Hillary attract Independent voters who lean Dem? Will Hillary govern as a Third Way Dem or will she side with the Progressive Caucus?
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Peace Patriot
(24,010 posts)msanthrope
(37,549 posts)LisaM
(27,811 posts)I just burst out laughing.
senz
(11,945 posts)Paul Wellstone shortly before his plane mysteriously crashed.
http://inthesetimes.com/article/14009/paul_wellstones_legacy
senz
(11,945 posts)And it wasn't just empty campaign rhetoric. He meant it.
He was the opposite of Hillary Clinton.
BainsBane
(53,032 posts)He'd support Clinton, just like the rest of the party has done. Wellstone got things done. He didn't believe speeches were more important than improving people's lives.
Jitter65
(3,089 posts)Peace Patriot
(24,010 posts)...peoples' lives--to those raking in the filthy lucre.
Paul Wellstone would be appalled.
senz
(11,945 posts)She is the opposite of him in every way.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)He'd be demonized in exactly the same Sanders is
BillZBubb
(10,650 posts)senz
(11,945 posts)He'd be called naive, socialist, unicorn-promising, the whole bit.
senz
(11,945 posts)dubyadiprecession
(5,711 posts)Armstead
(47,803 posts)BillZBubb
(10,650 posts)msanthrope
(37,549 posts)Mnpaul
(3,655 posts)He was a member of the Democratic Farmer Labor Party or DFL for short.
DrDan
(20,411 posts)Mnpaul
(3,655 posts)Voter ID went down in flames and constitution amendment against gay marriage blew up in the Republican's faces. Voters came out, voted against it and the Republicans who proposed it and the DFL took control and legalized gay marriage.
We are always near or at the top in voter turnout.
We made every effort to count every legal vote in Franken vs Coleman.
Now today the House Republicans caved and allowed for two separate bills to pass and extend unemployment benefits to laid off iron workers(with backpay) and cut unemployment taxes for business. The federal government has decided that our unemployment fund is adequately funded for the first time ever. Previously, the Repubs had tied the two together. Now both can go forward separately and should pass as we have a good size surplus in the budget.
DrDan
(20,411 posts)dflprincess
(28,075 posts)enjoyed being a thorn in the side of the DNC. I miss those days.
One of the things the DNC has always hated is the name - every so often there is noise made about how we should change it. Sometimes I worry that the Third Way types currently running the state party will try to push that but I keep hoping it won't fly with the rank and file.
senz
(11,945 posts)auntpurl
(4,311 posts)and as the vast majority of the Democratic congressmen and women have endorse Hillary, I think it's likely Wellstone would have endorsed and voted for Hillary.
Meteor Man
(385 posts)I belive you are channeling Paul Wellstone's evil twin Skippy Wellstone.
auntpurl
(4,311 posts)I don't understand your post.
Meteor Man
(385 posts)Do not pass GO. Do not collect $200.
[link:https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Wellstone|
auntpurl
(4,311 posts)Relevant info: "National affiliation: Democratic Party"
Meteor Man
(385 posts)Ideology: Social Liberalism.
Your point being?
Mnpaul
(3,655 posts)Wellstone gained national attention after his upset victory over Republican incumbent Rudy Boschwitz in the 1990 US Senate election. Widely considered an underdog and outspent by a 7-to-1 margin, he was the only Democratic candidate to defeat a Republican senator in the 1990 election cycle. In his 1996 reelection campaign he defeated Boschwitz in a rematch. He won both senate elections with a majority of the popular vote.
and this:
As Senator, Wellstone authored the Wellstone Amendment for the Bipartisan Campaign Reform Act of 2002. His efforts toward campaign finance reform were posthumously overturned in 2010 by the U.S. Supreme Court in Citizens United v. Federal Election Commission. In 2002, he was the only Senator facing reelection to vote against the congressional authorization for the Iraq War.
senz
(11,945 posts)Yuuge difference.
And you know it.
revbones
(3,660 posts)Paul Wellstone was not one for team or identity politics. He saw past the D at the end of people's names and called them out on their crap.
I find it disgusting that people would malign him with such.
Here are some telling Wellstone quotes:
"The Democratic Party has lost much of it credibility with working class and low-income people. It retards progress toward presenting a genuine alternative."
"The American polity is infected with a serious imbalance of power between elites and masses, a power which is the principal threat to our democracy."
And the one Howard Dean stole from him: "I represent the Democratic wing of the Democratic party."
The whole loyalist thing disgusts me. It supposes that everything is ok if they just have a 'D' after their name and I find this appalling. I see a lot of this from Hillary followers and that is what causes a lot of the 'cult of personality' insults from others. The D should stand for something besides just your team.
senz
(11,945 posts)and he didn't like it one bit.
dflprincess
(28,075 posts)The state party does its best to deny it, but there are a lot people in the party that prefer to identify with the FL and not the D.
MineralMan
(146,308 posts)senz
(11,945 posts)Peace Patriot
(24,010 posts)...had Wellstone's health permitted it and had he not been killed. When his small plane fell out of the sky on a clear day with no wind, he was running for Senate re-election and his goal was to return to the Senate and lead the battle against the Bush junta's goddamn bloodbath in Iraq.
He was an ALLY of Bernie Sanders in their difficult campaign to stop this horrible war. And he was a true-blue New Deal leftist like Sanders.
If he was here now and could do it, Wellstone would be running against Clinton, as Sanders is doing, because of her vote FOR the Iraq War and her enthusiastic support of it, and because she ISN'T a true-blue leftist--she is exactly the opposite. OR Wellstone would be supporting Sanders in his effort.
He OPPOSED all the cowardly Democrats who voted for that war! He would oppose Clinton now, and would probably be sickened by her filthy fundraising (and delighted with Sanders' success at CLEAN, people-oriented, small donor fundraising).
And, let me tell you, Wellstone would also be sickened by Henry Kissinger and Robert Kagan (PNAC chief) being her foreign policy advisers (gawd!), and would be appalled at her use of the Sec of State's office to lure big bucks to the Clinton Foundation from tyrants like the Saudis in exchange for arms deals!
SheenaR
(2,052 posts)Land of Enchantment
(1,217 posts)BillZBubb
(10,650 posts)SamKnause
(13,103 posts)AtomicKitten
(46,585 posts)senz
(11,945 posts)Meteor Man
(385 posts)Well I guess that is a rhetorical question:
[link:http://www.salon.com/2016/03/24/camille_paglia_this_is_why_trumps_winning_and_why_i_wont_vote_for_hillary/|
Meteor Man
(385 posts)Camille Paglia, long story short:
A vote for Bernie Sanders is a vote for the future, while a vote for Hillary Clinton is a reward to the Democratic National Committee for its shameless manipulation and racketeering.
WhaTHellsgoingonhere
(5,252 posts)Fear
Gender
Third Way
But when they say it, it sounds like "experience."
Paulie
(8,462 posts)At an event hosted by "In These Times". I was attending as a member of DSA Chicago. I still have my Wellstone for President bumper stickers from when we were trying to draft him.
Back to Basics: A Conference on the Future of the American Left
by Harold Taggart and Gene Birmingham
"To explore how we (the Left) can increase our presence in the mainstream of American political and intellectual life" was the way James Weinstein, editor of In These Times magazine, stated the purpose of the "Back to Basics Conference". The conference was held Oct. 9-11, at Chicago's Congress Hotel. Several hundred people attended the conference, which In These Times magazine sponsored and managed. In practice the conference urged the Left to abandon its dead-end, self-destructive course toward cultural politics and return to class politics.
Guests, speakers and panelists included a wide variety of stellar figures of the Left. Syndicated talk show host, Jim Hightower, was emcee for the Friday evening (Oct. 9) plenary session, and typified the tone of the conference. Sandwiched in among his hilarious down-home Texas jokes were serious calls to fight predatory corporations and embrace Joe six-pack.
Minnesota Senator Paul Wellstone, the Left's primary preference for president in the 2000 election, key-noted the conference with an emphasis on the Left's need to join the middle and lower economic segments of society in a common effort for reform if needed changes are to be made in the electoral process. As opposed to the Republican's equating of morality with sex, he defined morality in terms of a living wage, affordable health care, quality education, adequate nutrition for all children and curbing domestic violence, all of which are true family values. Republicans cloak greed and selfishness behind the mantle of "individual opportunity". Wellstone wants us to campaign for education, health care and jobs, saying, "We all do better when we all do better".
At the Oct. 10 plenary, Dr. Quentin Young described the sick U.S. health care system, which costs $4,000 per person. Canadians pay half as much for universal care, better care, and a life span two years longer than ours. The HMOs, PPOs, etc., represent capitalism in its purest state: profits have priority over patients.
Environmentalist Barbara Dudley emphasized a need repeated by others, that the Left has to reach out to the beer and pretzels working majority in America. Rather than viewing the struggle as Left vs. Right, she called us to see it as top vs. bottom, with the largest group in the middle, where our focus should be. Pointing out that most Leftists are past age 40, the need to enlist youth is obvious. No one expected Marx's prediction of capitalism's collapse to occur. In fact, very few mentioned his name at all.
Joel Rogers, founder of The New Party, listed people's concerns: education, campaign finance reform, environment, raising the minimum wage, and concern about global capitalism. Neither Democrats nor Republicans take this list seriously. Liberalism relied on favorable government regulation and mass politics to deal with problems. A new time calls for new politics, emphasizing economic strategy, citizen participation, and electoral strategy.
http://www.chicagodsa.org/ngarchive/ng61.html
dlwickham
(3,316 posts)senz
(11,945 posts)Very Hillary. Very.
Peacetrain
(22,876 posts)and he would be doing the same thing E. Warren is doing.. and he was a DFL Democrat..
lunamagica
(9,967 posts)calguy
(5,309 posts)And of course, in a BSer's dream world of fantasy, all dead Democrats would vote for Bernie. I understand a true BSer has to BS. But let's not speak dead politicians. It just gives such a foul odor to your gibberish.
HereSince1628
(36,063 posts)We need Wellstone buses working all across the nation to cultivate local organizations and new politicians with that sort of workshops
DanTex
(20,709 posts)Desert805
(392 posts)or unintentional?
Because it's certainly a joke, lol.
DanTex
(20,709 posts)Desert805
(392 posts)thanks.
Did you think you were sending me somewhere? Again with the jokes!
***edit to add-- PW voting for Hillary? ROFLCOPTERS TAKE FLIGHT!!1
We're talking about something of substance here, not your empty little scorecard.
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)You are all making baseless assumptions about how someone who tragically passed away would have voted.
No substance at all, just pure guesswork.
senz
(11,945 posts)Here you can see them exactly for what they are.
Be advised.
senz
(11,945 posts)He cast his last vote against the Iraq War Resolution.
His parents were Ukrainian Jewish immigrants and he was criticized for not being religious.
He opposed NAFTA in 1993.
He fought for campaign finance reform.
http://inthesetimes.com/article/14009/paul_wellstones_legacy
Wellstone had huge appeal for young people:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Wellstone
bigwillq
(72,790 posts)But it is fun to guess.